Atmakaraka in gandanta
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Ojas ji,
The higher Atmakaraka is progressed in the natal chart the better in general (all other factors being equal). I am not sure if Gandanta can be applied to Atmakaraka as both concepts are from two different Astrology schools and mixing systems is a no no for me.
But just by having any planet in Gandanta can create some trouble in its Vimoshottri periods (depending on the Yogas its involved in, its dignity and transits at that time).
Rtahore
The higher Atmakaraka is progressed in the natal chart the better in general (all other factors being equal). I am not sure if Gandanta can be applied to Atmakaraka as both concepts are from two different Astrology schools and mixing systems is a no no for me.
But just by having any planet in Gandanta can create some trouble in its Vimoshottri periods (depending on the Yogas its involved in, its dignity and transits at that time).
Rtahore
Dear Shrikanth Sir,Shrikanth wrote:Dear Aaron,
Atmakaraka is a planet that is the most traversed amongst the rest within a sign. Some astrologers consider only 7 planets others consider 8 planets by including Rahu as AK. (Ketu is never the AK).
For Rahu we use counter clockwise motion so using traversal.
Atmakaraka planet is indicative of the core building block of your identity. What is your egosense, your identity, what is your Aham.
It is indicative of who you perceive yourself to be.
When such a planet goes into Gandanta it indicates a soul/identity in trouble - this usually translate either into major physical illnesses, developmental disabilities, congenital issues at childhood or can indicate major psychological/mental problems later on time.
It can also indicate facing a major trauma/accidents/calamity at later point in life.
The period will usually coincide Major/Minor period of the AK in Vimshottari or associated with the periods within the Moola Dasa.
Hopefully good starting point for understanding this.
Regards
Shrikanth
Is it possible to reduce these effects through remedies?
I was told that my AK(Jupiter) is in gandanta
hence wondering...rathore wrote:
> Ojas ji,
>
> The higher Atmakaraka is progressed in the natal chart the better in general (all
> other factors being equal). I am not sure if Gandanta can be applied to Atmakaraka
> as both concepts are from two different Astrology schools and mixing systems is
> a no no for me.
>
> But just by having any planet in Gandanta can create some trouble in its Vimoshottri
> periods (depending on the Yogas its involved in, its dignity and transits at that
> time).
>
> Rtahore
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Thank you for your reply, Rathore ji. Are you speaking of the Jaimini system?
Please don't add the ji to address me...Astrology and Spirituality is a vast, deep ocean and I am just now at its shores, stepping in! Everyday there is something new I learn from the learned members here, it's amazing how much there is that we are unaware of.
> Ojas ji,
>
> The higher Atmakaraka is progressed in the natal chart the better in general (all
> other factors being equal). I am not sure if Gandanta can be applied to Atmakaraka
> as both concepts are from two different Astrology schools and mixing systems is
> a no no for me.
>
> But just by having any planet in Gandanta can create some trouble in its Vimoshottri
> periods (depending on the Yogas its involved in, its dignity and transits at that
> time).
>
> Rtahore
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Thank you for your reply, Rathore ji. Are you speaking of the Jaimini system?
Please don't add the ji to address me...Astrology and Spirituality is a vast, deep ocean and I am just now at its shores, stepping in! Everyday there is something new I learn from the learned members here, it's amazing how much there is that we are unaware of.
Yes Atmakaraka is a part of Jaimini Astrological system. Even though you may see some websites mixing Parashari and Jaimini (e.g. using Rashi aspects in Parashari or Planetary aspects in Jaimini and so on), it is not correct because then any conclusion can be arrived at (too many parameters).
Rathore
Rathore
I agree mixing Jaimini and Parashari system can be confusing for most people.......and allow reaching pretty much any conclusion as you put it.rathore wrote:Yes Atmakaraka is a part of Jaimini Astrological system. Even though you may see some websites mixing Parashari and Jaimini (e.g. using Rashi aspects in Parashari or Planetary aspects in Jaimini and so on), it is not correct because then any conclusion can be arrived at (too many parameters).
Rathore
Also I have seen booundaries blurring.....people applying Parashri rules to Jaimini parameters, which I am not sure are permissible..
However there are a few really advanced experts who I have seen can mix and use the two systems succesfully......but such advanced experts are few,
Regards
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Shilpa ji,
Shri KN Rao is one such expert. I believe he uses both systems yet doesn't mix them (e.g. using Chara dasha with Graha drishti which is not permissible). He uses both systems independently, but at the same time.
If someone is using Vimsottari with sign aspects and still giving great predictions then for me it falls in the same realm as people looking into crystal balls and making good predictions.
Rathore
Shri KN Rao is one such expert. I believe he uses both systems yet doesn't mix them (e.g. using Chara dasha with Graha drishti which is not permissible). He uses both systems independently, but at the same time.
If someone is using Vimsottari with sign aspects and still giving great predictions then for me it falls in the same realm as people looking into crystal balls and making good predictions.
Rathore
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Answered by SJC Guru Sanjay Rath:piscean82 wrote:Sorry if it is a bit off-topic. I would like to know what does it exactly mean when Atmakaraka is debilitated in a chart?
http://srath.com/jyoti%E1%B9%A3a/schola ... karakamsa/
Regards,
Ghrishneswar
Ghrishneswar
To all Thread Readers,Ghrishneswar wrote:Answered by SJC Guru Sanjay Rath:piscean82 wrote:Sorry if it is a bit off-topic. I would like to know what does it exactly mean when Atmakaraka is debilitated in a chart?
http://srath.com/jyoti%E1%B9%A3a/schola ... karakamsa/
Please be careful in reading articles by SJC authors. Its up to you to accept it, just keep in mind many SJC articles have little classical text reference, so its more of an opinion than what is actually said by the Sages. Many SJC authors mix Sign and Planetary aspects with whatever Dasha (Chara or Vimshottari or pick another) fits the event in question.
It comes back to the same point i.e. "explaining away anything" or as Shilpa ji puts it "reaching pretty much any conclusion".
Rathore
THE PVR / Sanjay Rath / Visti Larsen / Sohamsa group are a double edged sword......
( I) On one hand...with the benefit of math and computer programming made the heavy calculation component of astrology easily accessible to average astrologers and learners.
Making Divisional chart, viewing multiple dasas, mulitple planetry position calculation models, BT rectificiation, lagna changes, alternative lagnas, longitudnal positions, transits......all made so easy....in 10 minutes you could make a chart and scroll throuhg all the above.
Their controbutions and especially the access to JHORA free of charge...has been a game changer....and the domain of vedic astrology owes a lot to them....for stretching the limit of astrology far beyond where the traditional manual-calculation astrologer might go.
(II) But there is a flip side.......they have bent rules and broken limits [which is diffrent from stretching the limit as in (I)]
Now they liberally mix alternative lagnas, Jaimini Karaks and Nakshtra systems under traditional parashari rules in a way that .....running one calculation after another on their software.....using so many variable that you can just about prove anything.
It's not impossible to mix the 3 different system but very difficult and boundary conditions of each need to be respected....but if one criss-crosses rules from one to the other...just about any solution / explanation can be retro-fitted on a known condition.
But these criss-crossers get caught out on generally in forward analysis / future predictions.
OR maybe they are just brilliant minds and my medicore mind cannot keep up with their complex criss-crossing ways
My Personal Approach:
I read all that is put forward by this school.....sift throuhg and move aside where I see a clear hotch-potch and crossing lines....but do accept theoritically what appeals to commonsense.
And then I test these more plausible looking theorems on as many practical charts as I can.
with the above approach I have found PVR Rao and Visiti Larsen to make a lot of sense more often than not.
and more often than not..... I find Rath and his shebang of follwers to be riding a high horse immersed in self importance and shooting aimlessly all over in the name of modern/ innovative astrology.
regards
PS* when time permits I will share my thouhgts on BVB / KNR school also.
( I) On one hand...with the benefit of math and computer programming made the heavy calculation component of astrology easily accessible to average astrologers and learners.
Making Divisional chart, viewing multiple dasas, mulitple planetry position calculation models, BT rectificiation, lagna changes, alternative lagnas, longitudnal positions, transits......all made so easy....in 10 minutes you could make a chart and scroll throuhg all the above.
Their controbutions and especially the access to JHORA free of charge...has been a game changer....and the domain of vedic astrology owes a lot to them....for stretching the limit of astrology far beyond where the traditional manual-calculation astrologer might go.
(II) But there is a flip side.......they have bent rules and broken limits [which is diffrent from stretching the limit as in (I)]
Now they liberally mix alternative lagnas, Jaimini Karaks and Nakshtra systems under traditional parashari rules in a way that .....running one calculation after another on their software.....using so many variable that you can just about prove anything.
It's not impossible to mix the 3 different system but very difficult and boundary conditions of each need to be respected....but if one criss-crosses rules from one to the other...just about any solution / explanation can be retro-fitted on a known condition.
But these criss-crossers get caught out on generally in forward analysis / future predictions.
OR maybe they are just brilliant minds and my medicore mind cannot keep up with their complex criss-crossing ways
My Personal Approach:
I read all that is put forward by this school.....sift throuhg and move aside where I see a clear hotch-potch and crossing lines....but do accept theoritically what appeals to commonsense.
And then I test these more plausible looking theorems on as many practical charts as I can.
with the above approach I have found PVR Rao and Visiti Larsen to make a lot of sense more often than not.
and more often than not..... I find Rath and his shebang of follwers to be riding a high horse immersed in self importance and shooting aimlessly all over in the name of modern/ innovative astrology.
regards
PS* when time permits I will share my thouhgts on BVB / KNR school also.
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Since the discussion has moved on to Jaimini and/or Parashara, I just want to mention one thing ...
I was reading 'Crux on Vedic Astrology' by Sanjay Rath. He says there in the introduction that Jaimini is an addendum to Parashara's works... He also says that is why Jaimini's works are referred to as **updesa** (which I believe mean either commentary, or an additional analysis). I think he also wrote a book by the same name before he released CoVA.
So, I think he sees Jaimini as providing additional info??? I don't know ...
Of course, I am not advanced enough to know all the differences yet. But, I just thought I would throw that into the mix ...
Best wishes,
Aaron
I was reading 'Crux on Vedic Astrology' by Sanjay Rath. He says there in the introduction that Jaimini is an addendum to Parashara's works... He also says that is why Jaimini's works are referred to as **updesa** (which I believe mean either commentary, or an additional analysis). I think he also wrote a book by the same name before he released CoVA.
So, I think he sees Jaimini as providing additional info??? I don't know ...
Of course, I am not advanced enough to know all the differences yet. But, I just thought I would throw that into the mix ...
Best wishes,
Aaron
Aaron ji,
There are some school of thoughts on which came first and if they are related. Such as:
1. Parashara School borrowed from Jaimini School i.e. Jaimini started first and Parashara borrowed signs, Vargas but discovered own techniques (told by one of Brahma or Saunaka or Garga).
2. Jaimini is a later day Sage/School around 7th century. His school found his own techniques but borrowed signs, vargas etc from Parashara.
There were probably many Parasharas and Jaiminis and Astrology was an oral tradition. Also, there were schools before Parashara such as Garga, Yavana etc.
BPHS was compiled much later (as Jyotish was an oral Shastra) and the compilers kept adding knowledge with passing time, so someone added Jaimini in an effort to keep the Jyotish Shastra texts under in one place. They probably did this because one of the systems borrowed from the other, so that is the relation and that is the ONLY relation. Techniques differ vastly.
Shri Sanjay Rath and some others have misinterpreted it to be the same text, hence mixing systems. Many Astrological texts are written as Updesh (discourse, instruction, lecture etc.) because that is how they were given in the oral tradition.
Additional info: Following sources for Hindu/Vedic Astrology are to be treated with a pinch of salt:
SJC, Nikhilworld and KRS channel.
Much of what they are saying is adding their own imagination and some are inventing new theories.
To your original message - Atmakaraka in gandanta either means nothing (because Parashari principles are not to be applied) or it could mean the soul has evolved much.
Rathore
There are some school of thoughts on which came first and if they are related. Such as:
1. Parashara School borrowed from Jaimini School i.e. Jaimini started first and Parashara borrowed signs, Vargas but discovered own techniques (told by one of Brahma or Saunaka or Garga).
2. Jaimini is a later day Sage/School around 7th century. His school found his own techniques but borrowed signs, vargas etc from Parashara.
There were probably many Parasharas and Jaiminis and Astrology was an oral tradition. Also, there were schools before Parashara such as Garga, Yavana etc.
BPHS was compiled much later (as Jyotish was an oral Shastra) and the compilers kept adding knowledge with passing time, so someone added Jaimini in an effort to keep the Jyotish Shastra texts under in one place. They probably did this because one of the systems borrowed from the other, so that is the relation and that is the ONLY relation. Techniques differ vastly.
Shri Sanjay Rath and some others have misinterpreted it to be the same text, hence mixing systems. Many Astrological texts are written as Updesh (discourse, instruction, lecture etc.) because that is how they were given in the oral tradition.
Additional info: Following sources for Hindu/Vedic Astrology are to be treated with a pinch of salt:
SJC, Nikhilworld and KRS channel.
Much of what they are saying is adding their own imagination and some are inventing new theories.
To your original message - Atmakaraka in gandanta either means nothing (because Parashari principles are not to be applied) or it could mean the soul has evolved much.
Rathore
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This has been found to be very true.
But these criss-crossers get caught out on generally in forward analysis / future predictions.
I have had first hand experience of the same.
But these criss-crossers get caught out on generally in forward analysis / future predictions.
I have had first hand experience of the same.
Regards,
Ghrishneswar
Ghrishneswar
Thanks, Rathore ji. It is a revelation to me to learn that there were many Parasharas and Jaiminis! Previously, I thought these referred to particular individuals. Now, I am better able to imagine the history of the creation of these texts.
Thanks again,
Aaron
Thanks again,
Aaron
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Here is the opinion of Rober Svobada in his book on this subject:
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Very interested in this. My AK (Mars) is in gadanta AND debilitated so I wonder what that entails. It's in Pisces Navamsha.
