Saturn - As a Judge and Executioner

[moksha line]

Shani keeps account of even little things whether they might be good or bad and executes (rewards or punishments) accordingly.. am I right? If so, suppose shani MD comes later in life.. will he execute only based on previous life karmas or this present life karmas till shani MD also(during shani MD which might start after 40 yrs of age for a person)?

I have personally requested Swamikool to answer this query. Others also are welcome to answer..

Much thanks in advance,
Moksha Line

[janaki]

Moksha Line,

I feel this will be result of this life as well as last life. Placement of Saturn and other planets is itself decided by past life karmas. So how a person behaves in this life is dependent on the planetary combinations and placement in the chart.

Someone who is unethical, is behaving in certain way due to his/her planetary placement. But as a result of his actions he is adding more negative karmas to already carried forward karmas which he/she have to repay for in this life.

So this cycle will continue, I mean a person who has done bad karmas in last life will keep on adding further negative karmas. But we can break this cycle with our free will.

A bad placement of Saturn will definitely make the person pay for his debt that he has carried forward in Saturn dasha but if the person does good deeds then the effects will be less.

On the other hand, a good placement of Saturn will definitely bestow a person with blessing as he has done something good to get that good placement in the first place.

Regards

[moksha line]

Hi janaki,

I appreciate your reply and i can relate a lot of things with your answer for my question.

Yes, like you said a good placement of saturn will do wonders. But the question remains the same. When do you say that saturn is well placed?

Can you give a number of scenarios for this ?

Regards,
Moksha Line

[janaki]

Hello Moksha line,

You are welcome. I liked your article on Sun's NK in Saturn's Rasi. Very good imagination

Some basics about Saturn:

Exaltation Point: Libra 20 deg, Uchha - Libra 1-19 deg
Multrikona - Aquarius 1-20 deg, Swagruha - 21-30 Aquarius
Deep debilitation point – Aries 20 deg, Neecha - 1-19 & 21-30 Aries

Enemy Sign - Cancer, Scorpio, Leo
Friendly signs - Taurus, Gemini, Virgo
Neutral – Sagittarius

Friends - Rahu, Venus and Mercury
Enemies – Sun, Moon, Mars
Neutral – Jupiter

Placement of Saturn in friendly signs, exalted state and without afflictions from Malefic planets in 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 9th, 10th and 11th should give good results. This placement will bestow the natives with the karakatvas that particular house signifies.

Saturn is a Karaka of 8th house. This placement gives long life to the native. If well placed then the health also will be fine. If afflicted and ill placed, native will have a long life but with incurable/chronic diseases.

Here I would like to share 2 charts. I am sharing charts of people I met in day to day life.

1. March 24, 1982, 4:31, Mumbai
This person is Capricorn Asc and Aquarius Rasi. Lagna lord in placed in 9th in Virgo though in Leo in D-9. He is running Saturn MD since 1997. This MD gave him engineering education from premier school in India. He worked abroad for many years. Acquired good amount of wealth. Saturn –Rahu has been a turning point for him. He got married, had a child and is the youngest to be promoted as Principle Engineer. Saturn and Rahu are transiting over 10th house of career and he is running Saturn – Rahu, Rahu is in 6th house, 9th from 10th in Gemini. So it has given very good career in this dasha. The dasha and transits are favorable for him.

2. She is running Saturn MD and Lagna lord is placed in 8th. One latest update is she has joined as a Professor in one of the IITs.

http://www.lightonvedicastrology.com/ph ... 4&start=75

If you see both these charts, Placement of Saturn is not very good. In first chart, Saturn is Retro, with Mars and in Leo in D-9. In second chart, Lagna lord in 8th. But Lord Saturn has showered his blessings in his MD.

It would be nice to see a Libra Acs chart with good placement of Saturn, as Saturn is a YK for Libra.

Regards

[jegdis5]

Hi Janaki,

You missed the 7th house? where Saturn gets the directional strength?

Moksha,

Saturn is treating me well till date since my saturn MD started 2006 but not sure about what rest of the MD holds..Saturn always interests me..so intruded in your post .

My chart below

[garima]

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[janaki]

Jegdis,

Yes, Saturn gets directional strength in 7th house but 7th house karakatvas dont go that well with Saturn as it would go for Venus per say given the nature of Saturn.

If Saturn is well placed then the native will have a good married life and will give a partner who is responsible and practical. But Saturn here generally gives late marriage. If this Saturn is afflicted then it could cause a lot of delay or even denial or divorce in some cases.

Regards

[janaki]

Thanks for sharing your details, Garimaji.

Regards

[jegdis5]

Janaki ji,
Many thanks for ur reply.He gave me a good married life but a early marriage.I got married at 26 .so no delay or deniel and hope for no divorce becos he has given me a mature and sensible wife.My wife is younger to me is also a point to note.

My sat/venus started just last month .

[basab14]

It would be nice to see a Libra Acs chart with good placement of Saturn, as Saturn is a YK for Libra.

I have Libra ascendant with Saturn in the 11th house, which is supposed to be a good placement for it, though it is in the enemy sign of Leo, so I am not sure whether to say it is good or bad. You can tell that better. Saturn aspects my ascendant and ascendant lord. It is the 5th lord of mind for me, aspecting the 5th house. So should I have a Saturn personality?

[basab14]

Jedgis,

Saturn in the 7th house gives a mature and sensible spouse as well. Saturn signifies stability, so its placement in the 7th house will give a stable married life.

Janaki ji,
Many thanks for ur reply.He gave me a good married life but a early marriage.I got married at 26 .so no delay or deniel and hope for no divorce becos he has given me a mature and sensible wife.My wife is younger to me is also a point to note.

[bob_astrologer]

Saturn is a Karaka of 8th house. This placement gives long life to the native. If well placed then the health also will be fine. If afflicted and ill placed, native will have a long life but with incurable/chronic diseases.

This dictum does not work in every case. I have a chart whose Saturn is in 8th house in virgo and yet he suffered numerous health issues and died at the age of 32.

[janaki]

Janaki ji,
Many thanks for ur reply.He gave me a good married life but a early marriage.I got married at 26 .so no delay or deniel and hope for no divorce becos he has given me a mature and sensible wife.My wife is younger to me is also a point to note.

My sat/venus started just last month .

Jegdis,

Your Saturn is exalted and unafflicted. Good to know that you got married early but I have seen charts where unafflicted Saturn delaying marriage to some extent.
I dont think you have to worry about divorce. Saturn generally gives some difference when it comes to spouse, age, looks, education things like that.

Regards

[janaki]

I have Libra ascendant with Saturn in the 11th house, which is supposed to be a good placement for it, though it is in the enemy sign of Leo, so I am not sure whether to say it is good or bad. You can tell that better. Saturn aspects my ascendant and ascendant lord. It is the 5th lord of mind for me, aspecting the 5th house. So should I have a Saturn personality?

Yellow,

As you are a good astrologer yourself, you must be knowing that Saturn is not that welcome in Leo. The placement is good no doubt, YK in 11th house but its placement in Leo has tainted it a little bit.

You are a Libra Ascendant, So your Asc which is governed by Venus would show more effects in your personality.
It will also depend where Venus is placed. So your Asc and Moon will have more effect on your personality than the Saturn's Aspect. Saturn's Aspect will make you serious definitely and its on 5th as well so there will be seriousness in matters of 5th house.

Regards

[janaki]

This dictum does not work in every case. I have a chart whose Saturn is in 8th house in virgo and yet he suffered numerous health issues and died at the age of 32.

Bob,

Was the 8th house afflicted? I know of same case Aq Asc, whose chart I have shared, Saturn in 8th house, running Saturn MD. She is perfectly well health wise, just has some Sinus problems sometimes.

Regards

[basab14]

Janaki,

I don't know if I will call myself a Venus dominated person. I don't like luxuries, comforts, fashionable clothes, perfumes, and all that Venus signifies. I am also not someone who is interested in falling in love, but it is true that I am very romantic at heart. I love the emotion called 'love', but I find no interest in living it, that is, I find it boring, being romantic with someone. That is why I have decided to go for arranged marriage, where question of love doesn't come. Coming to Moon, well, I am not sure about that because though I am very emotional, it is because I have a hard life, and anyone with a hard life will always be emotional, irrespective of whether Moon influences them or not.

Yes, I am a serious person, too, which, I think, gets reflected in my posts on the forum. In my Saturn AD I started reading spiritual books, and everyone in my house was quite surprised that I took interest in such a subject so early in my life. I even contemplated getting myself attached to some ashram, so that I could meet spiritual people there and discuss spirituality with them.

By the way, here's my birth details, if you are interested in knowing me from my chart: 14th July 1980, 1:36 pm, Calcutta.

[janaki]

Yellow,

I checked your chart. Saturn aspects Venus in your chart. That could be the reason for lack of interest in all the Venusian things you have mentioned. Saturn has blocked them I will say.

Yes, you can go for arranged marriage if that is what suits your personality. Your chart also doesn't show any love marriage combination.

I don't think that the Moon traits are decided by situations. They are inherent. You are Cancer moon so it will make you an emotional person as its a water Sign.

As you have said the dasha will govern our thinking. That's why Saturn got you into spirituality, being 5th Lord, Aspecting 5th house and Mercury aspecting your 3rd house of writing.

In day to day life also Sukshama Dasha keeps changing and the Same planet can shows multiple effects based on Dasha, Transits and combinations.

[jegdis5]

Thanks Yellow and Janaki, much appreciated.
Anyways Yellow has analysed so much on my chart..
I am looking forward to whats in account during my saturn/venus since there were mixed predictions on it ..Interesting saturn/venus ..

[howzat]

mr jegdis horoscope is very good example. gentleman is telling he is getting marrry at 26. you see properly means shani is retro. peoples are telling planet which is retro is delay the thing and significations of planet and what and all past karma reserve and all. this is false propoganda againest retroplanets. i wil tell this is not a correct. proof is mr Jegdis chart. when peoples are doing assessment of retroplanet simple means just see chesta bala how much retro planet is got. other than that - must treat retroplanet as any other ordinary normal planet. ok bye.

[bob_astrologer]

Janaki,

No there is no affliction to the 8th house and I already said that before. The depositor Mercury is in 9th house. There is no aspect on 8th house either. This guy has retrograde Jupiter and Rahu in 7th house. Retrograde planet, as per KN Rao and Paul, also to be seen from the previous house, like in this 6th house of disease. This person died in Jup/ Rahu period.

So it clearly states that despite Saturn in 8th house which gives good longevity as you had also said, does not apply in this case either. So, we see that saturn in 8th house does not mean good longevity is ensured, always.

Jegdish,

Can you give your birth details?

[jegdis5]

BOB,

My details

DOB :14/02/1983
Time : 10:30 AM
Place : madurai,Tamilnadu

Thanks,
Jegadis

[janaki]

Bob,

I dont consider Retrogression from previous house and in your post it wasnt clear if the 8th house was afflicted or not.
He died in the Marak Dasha. Where was moon as moon has lot to say being 6th lord. If would be good to get the birth details but if you are not comfortable sharing then I can understand.



Regards

[bob_astrologer]

Jegdish,

You have got Saturn mahadasha at the right time. Saturn Mahadasha will give you plenty of wealth and a very good authorative post.

Saturn is the karaka for delay and is retrograde in your chart, which means you will also get the effects from 6th house of obstacles and diseases and sudden loss of wealth in your life and sometimes getting entangled in loan. You will also see results getting delayed for no reason.

So along with great rise in career, you will have to face obstacles and setback time to time. Overall, you will do very well in saturn mahadasha. This dasha has to get married to you. You got married early due to saturn exalted. Shahrukh khan is another case.

I am not commenting anything about 11th house here as this house is also badhakesh for movable lagnas. The reason being it is still controversial.

[bob_astrologer]

Janaki,

in what sense you are asking about 8th house affliction? Yes, he died in maraka period, but saturn should have given him long period, isn't it?

No problem if you don't consider retrogression from previous house. I consider as Nadi also considers this.

[basab14]

Janaki,

You are right; Saturn has taken away my interest in everything that has to do with material world. Yes, I am a worldly person, definitely, not a saint from any angle, but I am not ambitious, or greedy. I am a simple person, who wants to lead a comfortable life but doesn’t crave for luxury.

I know my chart doesn’t show love marriage. I know I can’t fall in love. So I am happy that I will have arranged marriage. I will fall in love after marriage.

Yes, I am an emotional person. My sun sign is also Cancer like my Moon sign.

I got into spirituality in my Saturn period, you are right. But in Mercury period I have completely lost interest in writing. I wrote in Jupiter and Saturn period only. In Rahu period in the last phase I started writing. In Saturn period I used to write fan mails to my favourite actress. I wonder how in the period of a sensible, practical and spiritual planet like Saturn, I did something immature like sending fan mails to an actress and wishing she replied to me. Maybe you can explain that to me. I have not understood it, till date.

I don’t follow sookshmadasha, or prana dasha, or transits of fast moving planets, but I am a very moody person, so I am sure all the planets are showing their effects on me in the fast changing periods, which you have mentioned.