Re: Kemadruma Yoga

[ambjig]

Hi Dev.

Yes that were my concern is

Sure nobody know what will happen next day.

REg
jig

[Dev]

Hi Jig.

Yes , for sure nobody know what will happen next day. Anyway, in the present modern India, we need another Gandhi though he may have to change his principles as per the people now. So let us monitor and see how you turn out to be?
Good luck anyway
Dev

[Dev]

Hi Kapil:

I doubt it since Jupiter, exalted mars and saturn are aspecting the moon and the moon is in swakshetra. So I feel its impact would get reduced to a great extent but then still it may not be 100% and you may be aloof at times. Either you may prefer or circumstances beyond your control would make you to be aloof at times.

Dev

[Dev]

Dear Kapil,

You may read the posts that I contributed as follows
Can I save this marriage to Ramesha

It will help you.
Business itself can cause this yoga because of ups and downs associated with it. You can yourself come out of it if u have the will power.

Dev

[anilesh47]

[quote="Dev"]Hi Jig:


Dear dev,

You have given nice information abt kemadrum yoga. I have also kemdrum yog but as u static that if moon occupied upachya house then it decrease the intesify of it. My wife has also kemadruma yoga but her moon is in tauras and in asc. While navmansha moon goes in fifth house in cancer. So as per ur dictum there is cancellation of kemdruma yoga. right?
Since i have debiliated moon in third and fourth aspect of mars from 12th house may give cancellation of kemdruma yoga in my case. Right?

Could u study my chart aswellas my wife's chart?

Thanks

regards
Nilesh


One definition given is as follows"

Kemadruma yoga
When there is no planets on either side of the moon, kemadruma yoga is formed.Kemadruma yoga will give a persons poverty. It will get cancell if a planet is occupied in Kendra from the chandra lagna or natal lagna.

So from lagna chandra himself is in kendra and so gets cancelled. Further moon is not alone, it is with lagna. So I feel it is somewhat cancelled.

Also read the following, sun, ketu and rahu are not considered, so if they are there, kemadruma yoga is still operative.

Kemadruma yoga is a dreaded yoga that is said to turn the fortunes drastically from riches to rags. This yoga arises when there are no planets on either side of the moon. The commonly accepted version of this yoga is the absence of any planets – the sun and the nodes are excluded in the reckoning – on the adjacent signs to the moon. According to Mantreshwara, “One born under the Kemadruma yoga, even if he belongs to the royal family will become unknown and lead a miserable life.” Varahamihira adds that a person born under Kemadruma, “although he may take his birth in a royal family, will be dirty, sorrowful, doing work against his caste, poor, dependent and roguish” Almost all ancient writers have recorded this kind of effect for this yoga.

Further, see this information which I got in the web, which cancels kemadruma yoga
rules for cancellation of Kemadruma yogas:
.. Lone moon but in a friendly house, or own house, own Navamsa and
aspected by Jupiter.
.. Lone Moon but in a kendra from ascendant and aspected by Jupiter.
.. Presence of Vasumati yoga i.e. all benefics placed in Oopachayas 3,
6,10, 11 from Lagna or Moon cancels Kema druma and Makes the person
extremely Wealthy.
.. Lalatika Yoga :- Lone Moon in Cancer and8th from it occupied by
Sun,Mars, Venus, Saturn
OR
Vice versa Sun, Mars, Venus, Saturn in cancer and lone Moon in 8th
from them Results in cancellation of Kemadruma and proficiency in
fine arts and very rich.
.. Jupiter in a kendra from moon cancels Kemadruma yoga.

Even when Kemadruma yoga is present the following factors reduce the
intensity of the yoga:
Moon in 3,6,9,12
Moon in 1,4, 7, 10
Moon in Cancer or Taurus
Commonly if there are planets especially benefics in kendras from
moon, using lagna or moonchart the kemudrama yoga gets cancelled..
Also if benefics aspect the moon, cancellation occurs..

I have all benefics in upachaya in 3rd house and that should help.

Dev[/quote]

[Dev]

Dear Anilesh:

First in case of your wife:

Moon exalted and in lagna too
two benefics jupiter and mercury in 6th house

In your case
Moon debilitated but in 3rd house
Moon has aspects of sat and mars

So there are some cancellations definitely.
Anyway I think at many a time, both of you may feel lonely though.

I read few minutes back that with more number of planets retrograde the person can reach great heights. It was from a site, I dont remember but then you have 4 planets retrograde.
Good luck.
Dev

[anilesh47]

Thanks dev for replying me. Dear, u may be right abt dictum of retrogade planets. I have also read somewhere that retro planets have more strengths and it acts like a exalted planets. I dont know upto what extent It is right or wrong? But We need views from the people who has experience of retro planets.

and Yes, You are absolutely right that a many times we both feel lonesome eventhough people are around us.

Thanks

Regards
Nilesh

[Dev]

Nilesh,

Fine.

The difference between Kemadruma and non kemadruma people is that in the latter case, they would be isolated or aloof due to their own interests but in Kemadruma case, it is due to compulsion. See for eg. if people around you are cunning or backstabbing, you wont like to mingle, if your relatives are bad, you wont feel the reqirement of their company and if your neighbours have their own agenda, they may not entertain you and you may not have anything in common. Outwardly you may talk but still be aloof. Apart from that if you have say talents in music, astrology or games and so on, u may not find anyone nearby to even discuss them. It is shear bad luck only. It is more of a fate. A nonkemadruma person will obviously find people of his activities nearby.
So it is better to adjust to it than feel for it since it is only bad luck I would say.
Anyway about retrograde planets, from what I read, I feel it is true. Hope for the best and be positive.

Dev

[anilesh47]

Mars dasha upto some extent can give you respite but still you would not satisfied at home. There are some positive also that you may make property during mars dasa. What abt ur wife's health? Is there any issues?

Regards
Nilesh

[chinchin85]

hi 2 all

my birth date is 1 sep 1985,time:19:55 pm place:patna,bihar.
i have severe kemadruma yoga in my chart. my rashi and lagna are meena...and as the conditions for kemadruma i have no planet in 2nd house(except rahu) and in 12 th house.

moreover i dont have any planets in any of the kendra houses 4,7,10(except moon in the ascendant). as mentioned in the earlier posts, i have malefics rahu in 2nd house(in aries/mesha) and ketu and saturn in 8th house(in thula/libra).does the kemadruma get reduced to some extent in my chart???

i am a loner and always want to be alone. i dont have friends and i am totally against socializing over food,drinks and stuff like that.i have never roamed out with my associates. my interactions with my family members are also limited.with relatives:nil.

i also dont believe in relationships and contacts. i also have retrograde and debilitated jupiter in makara/capricorn in 11th house. on any topic of discussion, my views are totally different frm others and everybody around me thinks i m eccentric.

currently running my ketu dasha since: 16th/18th jan 2011. i am very detached from external conditions and hardly get disturbed. but people around me find it odd and try to enforce me to live like them. sometimes i feel like running off to some old age home and stay the rest of my life there. i am only 25 but dont feel attracted to worldly pleasures or achievements as they seem empty to me.

i dont want to work,but i understand that body needs something for survival. i am very uncomfortable in social congregations,crowded places etc and lack confidence to meet new people and situations. more the number of people more lonely i feel.

i am not unhappy with my condition...but others around me are...which makes me feel like avoiding them.
any comments suggestions?????

[Dev]

Hi Chinchin:

I have kemadruma yoga and have no planets in kendra, my lagna and moon are same. But what experiences you have, I dont have. I am made to be a loner by circumastances and not by choice. Of course, I am different from most others, I dont like to butter higher ups and so on, in that sense, not socialising. I do love to do my work, teaching, research etc and I never like to run away. I like to attend conferences where we meet more people.. So it is totally different. I keep aloof often only due to fate and many people being cunning, cheats etc. Otherwise, I love to mingle with people and I just hate isolation. I like to talk and discuss what I know best-research, teaching, music etc and even astrology and spirituality. Also due to some circumstances, I sometimes have to avoid talking to people but that is more a compusion which I never wanted first of all. Several circumstances are such that they separate me from others which I just hate. For eg. I even taught music few years back and my students whoare doing well would leave the place since their parents would have got transfer, or since they would leave the place for higher study or since I would vacate and go to a new place or due to some personal problems that they would have. I would never have liked that they leave and they would also want to learn more from me but it is fate. These things happen always. Even some friends whom I have moved with and liked, they would continue to be so but fate would separate them somehow.
Also, I am too simple and many people take me to be arrogant but sometimes some people think I am too simple and to them I show my arrogance and so this also causes many to avoid me. So these are just fate. I love to socialise and I hate to be aloof though I have kemadruma yoga. I am only delighted when I am in the circle of researchers, musicians, astrologers, students whom I teach and so on and hate isolation.
To be frank, I would even like to meet people of this forum if there is an opportunity and time.
Several circumstances caused my isolation too. Even when in 5th, I lost my father and I used to hear others saying my father did this, my father got this for me and as a child, even that used to hurt me and I used to get away from that talk without offending anyone. Such type of things happen from time to time preventing my socialising.
Some people whom I want to socialise with exploit and try to cheat, so I have to leave them, some go on transfer so the link is lost, something like this keeps happening.
In fact, I hate when I go to some close relative's house whom I like or they come to my house or friends come and when I leave or they leave, I feel bad.

Dev

[Dev]

According to me you do have kemadruma yoga but with some cancellation. There are some planets in kendra from lagna but no planets in kendra to chandra. Anyway in navamsa, moon is debilitated but is with sukra.
You are running rahu-jupiter jupiter period.
Lagna and 10th lord Jupiter is debilitated in rasi(its dispositor sat is exalted) but exalted in navamsa. Mer is in kendradipatya dosha. 5th lord moon is in 6th. Lords of 2,4,7 and 9 along with 6th are in 4th, this is a yoga too.
But guru is not strong in shadbala. Rahu is entering his debilitated sign.
I feel chanting Durga chalisa, durgastakam and lighting diya in temple for Goddess Durga on tuesdays during rahu call will help. Also offering yellow cloth to jupiter and then offering food and dakshina to poor brahmins on thursdays and offering fruits to cows on thursdays would help.
Also fasting on punima days and doing archana to Goddess Parvati/ Tripurasundari on mondays should help.

Dev

[chinchin85]

hi dev

this is cool...i never expected i wud have a reply so fast...i thought nobody reads these forums...or even if they do they wud do so at a later time.thx for the reply. One thing i wanted to clarify that i am not a loner by choice as such....i like to do my own work and dont want any interruption in that...so i remain aloof and work in privacy. But i do like to live alone given a chance. i have stayed totally alone for months together due to certain circumstances and i still remember those days as they were one of the most productive days of my life.

i love to reflect upon things which i do,think or feel so i need seclusion and privacy for such stuff.i do love reading mostly spiritual books,occult stuff,philosophy or on the other hand short children stories(tinkle and all that comic stuff). but i am not ambititious and wud like to lead a peaceful simple life. i too love music....and listen to songs for hours at a stretch. its good to know that u like music too and are a teacher. i had done a short music course for 3 years in my school days. i can sing too. i also luv computers and keep tweaking around with those machines.

also what u told abt people being cunning and cheats....i feel u r correct in that,as such no one has cheated me but i feel due to my simplicity...many people take undue advantage of me...it doesnt bother me...but bothers my family members and some so called friends. they tell me not to be so...but somehow i cannot say no to people who ask for help...and in that scenario i end up having no time for my own things.

whats is ur date of birth??? where r u from?? u told u wud like to meet members of this forum....it wud be nice to meet someone with similar interests(like u)...or if its not possible due to geographical reasons...one can always be in touch thru mails....

[chinchin85]

kemadruma yoga means moon/mind which is without the support of other planets...ie. no aspect from any planet in any way along with the standard definition.such a mind thus eventually becomes desireless...as it has no external effect from other planets....this becomes detrimental for worldly pursuits....and the native will not have a continuous interest in worldly things....the interest keeps on fluctuating on and off.hence sustained worldly/monetary achievement becomes tough for such native.

Moon symbolizes mind and emotions....lonely moon symbolizes lonely(or even boundless) mind and lonely emotions....such people feel that nobody understands them...and they thus are left alone....but this same thing can be used in a positive way....if one's mind is desireless....and has boundless thinking capability....one can become a deep thinker and gain expertise in non material subjects like philosophy,psychology and spirituality. Also desireless mind can give good meditative abilities and wud help reach one to the ultimate goal of abiding in the self. so in one way people like us(having KY) do have a very great advantage of desirelessness combined with loneliness/solitude....ancient people voluntarily chose solitude and trained there mind to be desireless and became sages....why not use our gift for our own upliftment???...

Many spiritual souls saints,sages and social workers have this yoga....Mother Teresa, Gandhiji, Sathya Sai Baba, Osho Rajneesh had this yoga...but this yoga can also make life miserable for people who wud like to have a good lifestyle as unbounded mind can make one do crimes too...KY is also seen in many serial killers and antisocialites....famous example: Football player O.J. Simpson...who supposedly killed his wife...and Ramalinga Raju...satyam computers....so its like fire given in one's hand by god...use it for obtaining light or burn urself and perish.....KY causes intense mental pain...one shud use it for getting detachment and not for letting out one's frustration on society...

many say that kemadruma yoga is common...Lonely moon is common in many charts...but all that does not amount to kemadruma as there are many cancellation factors or atleast some nullifying factors for everyone...pure kemadruma is rare...

[Dev]

Hi Chin chin:

See again I would say it is the yoga which has caused isolation and I never liked isolation at all.
Like during my preuniversity and graduation, I had students who wanted to do group study but then since I was topper, I always felt that they were too poor and if I go teaching them, I would have no time to study. See, I liked to be in a company but then since I could learn nothing from them, I was forced to stay away. When I went abroad, I stayed with some Indians on 3-4 occassions and each them, they exploited making me pay the bills and never gave back and so I had to go separate. I had no other choice since they were cheating me. I did want company but I could not get good people.
Then in school days, when people talked of their father doing everything for them, I was hurt terribly since my father was an IAS and a gold medalist being all India first in masters in math and he did teach me when I was around 8 and 9. His loss affected me a lot and when they talked of their father and asked about my case, I used to cry in silence which caused me to keep away from them. Then at college, there were cunning people who would try to exploit and when I knew, I had to keep away. Similarly at work, there are back stabbers and to prevent being cheated and also because I hate such people I have to keep away. Then when I had good students, I told u they always left the town for higher studies or because their parents got transfer or due to health problems. The bottomline is they would not be able to continue. I would enjoy their company but it would get cut. So such is the kemadruma yoga and left to myself, I hate isolation more than anyone else in the world but when I do some preparation for research, teaching, singing, concert, I like isolation since only then I can do better.
Yes, I would like to meet u also, are u in Bihar.
I have seen whenever I found someone of similar talent with whom I could exchange ideas, the connection would get cut by nature. There were two girls who were very fond of me when I was doing masters, they used to love me to the core(love is normal love like a friend and not any other meaning). Then in just 2-3 years period, they both passed away due to some health issues.
So if anyone says, KY people like isolation, it is I would say simply rubbish.

Dev

[Dev]

Hi Abhi,

It is surprising to know that being a loner by nature, you are destined to work as a corporate trainer where public speaking, socializing and coomunication skills beome important. Licking somebody's backside for their own benefit is the dirtiest thing one can do for getting some benefits.
if u are destined to beome a lawyer, you would beome one. Self confidence also grows with experience in the field of work and also when u are pretty sure, u are destined with this job whether u like it or not and there is no option left. Your beming aggressive and arrogant in front of others are clearly evident from ur 4th house planetary combimation.

Please do parihara for your mother as suggested by me. She will improve.
You could even go for teaching if u like but then u may have to strengthen your jupiter by wearing yellow sapphire or so. When u are worried about supporting and fulfilling the huge expectations of your family, ie when the intent is there, u will succeed.

Dev

Thanks for all the help,
Dev

[chinchin85]

hi dev
wanted to ask u about the gemstones which i shud wear...currently i m not wearing any gemstone...will pukhraj(yellow sapphire) for deb. jupiter...pearl(for moon) be helpful?? if yes that what weight and dimensions of the gems shud be worn and in which metal(gold,silver etc.)??? also what abt the shani+ketu in 8th house(tula rashi) in my chart??? what are its effects?? currently i m running ketu dasha(started 18th jan 2011)...also 8th lord shukra is in 5th house(karka rashi)....any comments abt that??

[Dev]

Hi Abhi

There are many in the forum doing selfless service.
Anyway retrogressive planets are considered as planets which carry over unfulfilled desires from previous births. So it is always good to do some parihara for them so that u dont endlessly carry over the unfulfilled desires.
For sat, u may light regularly diya using til ka tel in temple on sat, also chant Venkatesha Suprabhatam and visit Tirupati on saturday as many times as possible.
For jupiter, u may buy yellow cloth for planet jupiter and give it in the navagraha temple on thursday. You can also visit and Pray Dakshniamurthy on thursdays on regular basis and also visit Shiva temples on thursday. Also feed cows with banana, grass and fruits on thursdays as much as possible. You can also feed deserving poor brahmins when possible on thursdays.

I dont think your jupiter gets neecha bhanga, Only thing is it is exaltedin navamsa and also it is unafflicted by aspect with other planets.Moon however gets neechabhanga in navamsa. Anyway dont worry about mars entering its debilitation sign. It is far away in degrees from debilitation. So do parihara and u will find change.
Dev