The Nakshatras - Discussion and Inputs for Me

[JupiterLight]

Theodore Robert "Ted" Bundy was an American serial killer, a rapist, and a necrophile who assaulted and murdered at least 30 young women, and possibly many more, in many North-Western states between 1974 and 1978....one more thing he was damn handsome

There are several million people who are born in this nakshatra . On of my best friend has his Moon in this nakshatra . But what made Bundy do what he did ? How did his mind ( Chandra ) get so perverted ?

who is bundy?

Ted Bundy. the psychopath.

Dear JupiterLight ,
Heres a link about Ted Bundy :

http://www.time.com/time/specials/packa ... 66,00.html

And Bundy is astroboy's bestfriend??

Im confused?!

and scared ...

[sita]

hahahahahhahaahhahaha

[JupiterLight]

i knew u would start laughing... its not funny,,, i mean i thot he is a normal guy untill u told me who he is.. or is it that astroboy was talking about his bestfriend and then popped this buddy in...

[sita]

He referred to bundy as an example of Jyeshtha Nk...and also mentioned at the same time that his best frnd has his moon in this NK.

[JupiterLight]

Ya i thought as much after u told me this guy is a terrorist
Sita <3

[sita]

terrorist???...he was a rapist.....I guess he was able to do that coz he was very charming and of course due to his afflicted moon...u can see na??

[swamykool]

Deepak,

One old pandit in Kolkata once told me that the deity of Mula is Niyati, the Vedic goddess of Fate. I am confused whether Niyati is another name for Nairriti or not. As many gods and goddesses have more than one name. But one thing is for sure, the element of fate is very strong with Mula Nakshatra. Meteoric rise, calamitous fall and vice versa. What say you?

swamykool

[astroboy]

Good day Swamy Cool Ji ,


It is also spelt Nirruthi . It is said that it is one of the lords of the 8 directions, one of the 15 Muhurthas of the day and also the lord of the constellation Mula . Niyati is indeed fate and destiny as you rightly pointed out . It seems to me that they are all the same .

comming to your point of the element of fate being strong with Mula Nakshatra . I have to agree with you completely . Let me quote a example .

March 17 1954
00:50:00
Kasargod /Kerala India

Man is born in Abuktha Moola Dosha. He lost his father when he was 10 . The boy lost all his fathers property as his mother was made to leave her husbands house . The man discontinued his studies after his 10th standard . He is jobless, and roams the streets all day . His clothing is given by his friends . He some how manages to make enough for his quart . His quart costs 38 Bucks . Eats 2 meals a day , which his mother provides . life is finished . Note 11th lord exalted in the 4th . Mother holds some of her property now worth close to about 55 - 60 lacs . The mother is close to 79 now . The man is trying to get her to sell the property and move into a flat . That way he has some cash to blow . Mother knows his intention and refuses to part with the property . Half his lfe is over now . God know when he will get to enjoy the 11th lords exalted placement in the 4th .

Best regard's

[swamykool]

Deepak,

March 17 1954
00:50:00
Kasargod /Kerala India

Man is born in Abuktha Moola Dosha. He lost his father when he was 10 . The boy lost all his fathers property as his mother was made to leave her husbands house . The man discontinued his studies after his 10th standard . He is jobless, and roams the streets all day . His clothing is given by his friends . He some how manages to make enough for his quart . His quart costs 38 Bucks . Eats 2 meals a day , which his mother provides . life is finished . Note 11th lord exalted in the 4th . Mother holds some of her property now worth close to about 55 - 60 lacs . The mother is close to 79 now . The man is trying to get her to sell the property and move into a flat . That way he has some cash to blow . Mother knows his intention and refuses to part with the property . Half his lfe is over now . God know when he will get to enjoy the 11th lords exalted placement in the 4th .

One of the most intriguing horoscopes I have seen. Where do you get hold of these??? One thing for sure, these people will never visit an internet forum!!!

Here is what I get with a quick glance. I am using topocentric.

Father died in Ven-Moon? (8L in the 9th H)

He and his mother got evicted from his father's house in Ven-Mar?

Mar 5th & 12thL in the 12th H, Ven 6th and 11th L in the 4th. MD of Ven AD of Mar and these two are enemies by panchadha maitri. Result padachyuti (loss of position). Note sun is in 12th to 5th. Sun = father.

Points to note in this chart.

Both Moon and Lagna is in a vicious gandanta. Plus Rahu is in Lagna.

Both Ven and Sat are very strong as both are exaulted. But Sat is retrograde and Sat aspects Ven. By this I am taking the theory of Bhrigu Nadi and K N Rao that retro planets also throw their aspects from the previous H. But Ven does not aspect Sat. Ven 11th L in 4th but also 6th L in 4th. And Sun 9th L in 4th with enemy Ven aspected by Sat. Not a very stable 4th H.

By K N Rao, if there is a connection between Sat and Ven in a Chart, life becomes beautiful if Sat and Ven is unequal in strength. Life becomes hell if they are equally strong. Did this man lose an excellent business opportunity/ chance at betterment or lose a lot of money during Ven-Sat?

Jup in 6th and Mer in 3rd, benefics in the trishadaya Houses. Lack of courage and effort.

I the Lagna is screwed every good yoga in a chart is screwed as the person is unable to take the strain. Same with the Moon, the person is unable to focus and aim for betterment.

Look he has a lot going for him. He has well off and maybe powerful friends (Sun Ven in 4) who like him. He has a loving mother who has valuable property in her name. He can raise money to do something productive. But did he?

My guess is this man will never enjoy the benefits of 11th in the 4th. Dasha of Sat starts at 2037, very very late in life and Sat-Ven will be bad. And the dasha of Mer his 7th and 10th L in 2056, he'll be dead by then. Btw Rahu MD and Ketu AD might be very bad for his mother.

See how the dasha schemes deprive a person of his best of times.

Funny thing is, many street astrologers, just by having a look at this chart would predict loads of money, grand houses, nice cars and chicks raining like manna from heaven. Ven and Sat exalted! Baby your life is made!!

swamykool

[astroboy]

Good day Swamy cool ji ,

You wrote,

One of the most intriguing horoscopes I have seen. Where do you get hold of these??? One thing for sure, these people will never visit an internet forum!!!.
Points to note in this chart.
Both Moon and Lagna is in a vicious gandanta. Plus Rahu is in Lagna.

Excellent indepth analysis . I left the Moon for you . . Lagna and Chandra are under Ketu . Ketu took over the whole chart . Lagna lord is Guru . Ketu is in Guru's nakshatra . Baat Kalas .

Both Ven and Sat are very strong as both are exalted. But Sat is retrograde and Sat aspects Ven. By this I am taking the theory of Bhrigu Nadi and K N Rao that retro planets also throw their aspects from the previous H. But Ven does not aspect Sat. Ven 11th L in 4th but also 6th L in 4th. And Sun 9th L in 4th with enemy Ven aspected by Sat. Not a very stable 4th H.

Well analysed once again .

Jup in 6th and Mer in 3rd, benefics in the trishadaya Houses. Lack of courage and effort.

3rd lord exalted and Retro in the 11th and Lagna lord in the 6th . Upachaya houses are strong . 10th lord in the 3rd is another big Upachaya house interchange . Yet the man did nothing . Put that down to the Abukta mula Dosha .

the Lagna is screwed every good yoga in a chart is screwed as the person is unable to take the strain. Same with the Moon, the person is unable to focus and aim for betterment

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Beautifully put

Look he has a lot going for him. He has well off and maybe powerful friends (Sun Ven in 4) who like him. He has a loving mother who has valuable property in her name. He can raise money to do something productive. But did he?
My guess is this man will never enjoy the benefits of 11th in the 4th. Dasha of Sat starts at 2037, very very late in life and Sat-Ven will be bad. And the dasha of Mer his 7th and 10th L in 2056, he'll be dead by then. Btw Rahu MD and Ketu AD might be very bad for his mother

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I think the old woman will stick on till she is 90 . This guy will be toothless by then

See how the dasha schemes deprive a person of his best of times.

Very Very true .

[astroboy]

Funny thing is, many street astrologers, just by having a look at this chart would predict loads of money, grand houses, nice cars and chicks raining like manna from heaven. Ven and Sat exalted! Baby your life is made!

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Rightly said . If I had posted this horoscope with a different story ,we would have all analysed this horoscope forgetting the Dosha present . The strange part is when I took this horoscope to P.S.Rao ji , he just dismissed it on one point . Like you rightly pointed out , Lagna gone . Man gone . Finished . Those were his exact words . Abukta Mula Dosha was pointed out to me by him . I was harping on the Gandanta . It was he who pointed Abukta Mula Dosha . His next bit was Shani and Kuja aspecting the Lagna lord in the Navamsha . The final nail was Budha and Chandra aspecting each other creating a Pisacha yoga . Note Budha is in Satabisha Nakshatra . This is how some astrologers get away without analysing the divisional charts . I have been saying Time and again that as astrologers, we need to learn all the Arishta yogas , the Yoga bhangas and the doshas, as much as we learn Dhana and Raja yogas. .

You have really out done your self with your analysis . The problem that I cannot get any dates for events because even he does not remember exactly when life's events passed him by . But judging from his life , You are bang on with your analysis . As far as getting this detail is concerned, It pays to go and sit in a seedy bar and watch life go by . . The cream is there . Not here . I told somebody on the forum once , " Every person who is on this forum have functional Dhana and Raja yogas , I say this because in India only 8 percent can afford internet access." This forum is a place to exchange ideas . That's it . If you want to learn serious astrology . It is the street of India that is your class room .

Very best of my regards
deepak

[R V RAMANAN]

Dear swamy cool and deepak,

Whenever chandra is taken over by the nodes, the 11th lord in 4th gives only an obsessive heart and terrible cravings.the 11th also signifies greed and obsessions and whenever not influenced positively makes a man run mad after his object of desires and he being posited in fourth , instead of giving gains, literally corrupts the heart.

regards
ramanan

[ChandraLagna]

Dear swamy cool and deepak,

Whenever chandra is taken over by the nodes, the 11th lord in 4th gives only an obsessive heart and terrible cravings.the 11th also signifies greed and obsessions and whenever not influenced positively makes a man run mad after his object of desires and he being posited in fourth , instead of giving gains, literally corrupts the heart.

regards
ramanan

Ramanan-ji,

Is it rahu that causes the obsession/craving, or even ketu? Sorry if I am asking a basic here....but Ketu is contraction and will lead to withdrawal, so will the damage be the same in both cases?

[swamykool]

Deepak,

Thank you for your kind words. A couple more points. Mool is both the Janma Nakshatra by Lg and Karma Nk by Moon. Its Lord Ketu is in the Nk of Punarvasu. Punarvasu is the Naidhana Tara both from Lg and Moon by the Navtara Chakra. And Ketu creates a direct Nk vedha to the Karma Nk (Mula). And Gur for this guy is the Lord of the Naidhana Tara. Destruction of all efforts.

Also look Ketu rules intoxicants and addictions. A troubled Ketu has kept him in a trance. Half the time he is drunk, the other half he is thinking when to hit the drink. He also works odd jobs only to get his drink, won't spend an iota of effort to get anything more.

Sat retro is in Swati. Swati is the Manasa Nk from Lg. Tell me does this guy always think that the world is against him and nothing good can ever happen to him? It seems exalted malefics when retro gets very malefic.

swamykool

[swamykool]

Ramanan ji, point noted.

swamykool

[R V RAMANAN]

Dear Arun,

i gave a reply and it did not reach you.In general rahu is for expansion and ketu is for withdrawal. this does not hold good every where.what do u mean by withdrawal here. is it from the senses or the mind itself.withdrawal slowly from not getting attached to your thoughts is actually accomplished by saturn influencing moon and that too after a lot of confusion and turmoil.

ketu can help you to withdraw or shrink from the outside world only if he contributes to any parivraja yogas or tapasvi yoga in a chart. other wise ketus association to moon only causes an affliction to the mind.people become despondent and gloomy.

regards
ramanan

[astroboy]

Tell me does this guy always think that the world is against him and nothing good can ever happen to him? It seems exalted malefics when retro gets very malefic.

You are on fire sir ji . You could not have said it better . . But let me tell you , he is not aggressive at all . That is the beauty, thus he makes for good company. All his friends share their drink with him . He is a survivor that way . I will post another horoscope of a man who retired at 26 . Never worked after that to this day .He has some very rich friends though . He is driven in the best cars , dines in the best diners , wears expensive cloths and perfumes . His biggest talent of all is that he can down a bottle and still walk straight . . Does not fight , does not talk . Makes good company .

[swamykool]

Deepak,

But let me tell you , he is not aggressive at all . That is the beauty, thus he makes for good company. All his friends share their drink with him .

Thats Gurus doing I guess. Both the Nk L and Rashi L of Moon is in the Star of Guru. Makes him amiable and nice. Also note what i said earlier. Sun and Ven in 4th - gives him affluent and powerful friends who like him very much.

swamykool

[ChandraLagna]

@ Ramanan:

Got it Dear Ramananji. I was just referring to the mind, not overall senses or world. To use astroboyese, all things being equal, moon with rahu will cause craving, ketu will cause gloominess and despondency.

@Astroboyji: Guru's aspect on 2nd house makes for a good talker in this person's case?

[swamykool]

Arun ji,

@Astroboyji: Guru's aspect on 2nd house makes for a good talker in this person's case?

Quite correct.

[swamykool]

Ramanan ji,

Another subtle point to note is that a lot of people crow about 'Kodanda Rahu' (Rahu in Sagi), which is supposed to be good. But this guys chart shows the opposite. Rahu is in the Nk of Uttarashadha,ruled by Sun and Sun is the 9th L plus the natural Karak for father. Look how Rahu creates a Grahan yoga on this man's father. If Astroboy can get us the proper dates, my guess would be his father died between 10/11/1964 and 09/02/1965, Ven-Moon-Rahu.

swamykool

[milredr]

Another subtle point to note is that a lot of people crow about 'Kodanda Rahu' (Rahu in Sagi), which is supposed to be good.

Swamykool isnt Rahu deb in Sagi as per one school of tht. This is news to me that Rahu in Sagi is supposed to be good. Always heard the opp.

[swamykool]

Milred,

I follow the Parashari School which takes Rahu to be exalted in Tau and deb in Sco while Ketu is just the opposite. There is a school of thought which says Rahu and Ketu do well in the H of Jupiter. Thus Kodanda Rahu. But experience shows different.

However, in this case it must be noted that the Lagna is so weak and aspected by a exalted but retro Sat, the man is simply incapable of taking any advantage of his good yogas. He is a plaything in the hands of fate.

Just run the chart in JHora and you'll see the very powerful yogas, Rajayogas and Dhana yogas (like Mahayogada) this man has. But all useless due to Lg and Moon.

swamykool

[Nitin21]

March 17 1954
00:50:00
Kasargod /Kerala India
Man is born in Abuktha Moola Dosha. He lost his father when he was 10 . The boy lost all his fathers property as his mother was made to leave her husbands house . The man discontinued his studies after his 10th standard . He is jobless, and roams the streets all day . His clothing is given by his friends . He some how manages to make enough for his quart . His quart costs 38 Bucks . Eats 2 meals a day , which his mother provides . life is finished . Note 11th lord exalted in the 4th . Mother holds some of her property now worth close to about 55 - 60 lacs . The mother is close to 79 now . The man is trying to get her to sell the property and move into a flat . That way he has some cash to blow . Mother knows his intention and refuses to part with the property . Half his lfe is over now . God know when he will get to enjoy the 11th lords exalted placement in the 4th .

Best regard's

Sirji - Pardon me for jumping in. But there seems to be a missing link. for a guy to miss out on education after 10th, 2nd house has to be afflicted. For being a pauper like that 2nd house, A2 and A11 all have to be afflicted. And Sat exalted in 11th will never allow that. Saturn works best in 3,6,11. Jup aspect on 2nd will not leave his education like that.

For his flat to be his but not getting it, there has to be some stopping effect from somehow. Venus exalted in 4th should give him all luxuries. Sun will give him an expansive house.

Even when you look at navamsa, Jupiter in 5th and this situation is a strict NO NO.

Lagna is afflicted as members have noted. That is correct. But that should give him weak physical composition and not an all round weak life as we have seen. IMO this just does not match eye to eye.

So I decided to introspect and find that the lagna changes in 3-4 minutes. I went back to Scorpio and things started making sense to me. SSS and Savana year settings.

Lagna Lord in lagna but hemmed between Rahu and Saturn. 2nd house Rahu disrupts education and finances as it is without benefic aspect. A2,A10 with malefic saturn and in 12th mean disrupted finances and work both. Sat is malefic for scorpio lagna and being in 12th aspecting 2nd restricts finances.

11th lord merc is aspected by badhaka from 10th. This situation is needless for either house, work or father. 4th lord is in 12th. These are signs of what you have mentioned as his life. Gains lord in 4th will eventually give him this flat, but mother(moon) is the badhaka. Why is he getting this ? Moon is also 9th lord and aspects 11th house lord merc in 4th, indicating gains from property. Kemdruma ensures poverty in daily life.

Death of father at the age of 10 means Shoola dasha of Sagitarus, the 8th house from Sun in rasi. Also Saturn casts 10th aspect on 9th house of father.

Let me tell you this. He also has some special talent. Some vichitra vidya. Maybe some people have a talent that they can see the face of a person and tell past present future. Some can just see the time and say what is going to happen to the other person in near future. This guy has something like that. What is it, that you will have to find out.

He has a physical robust constitution. Gk in 2nd from moon, Rahu in 2nd from Lagna, Ketu in 2nd from AK Jup means his oral habbits are not good. So, he is diplomatic in speech (Rahu in 2nd), but also consumes poisonous substances( gk in 2nd from moon) like alcohol, gutka, cigarretes etc etc. He gets meals because 2nd from Sun i.e. Mars is self placed. So, two times meals is assured.

His father was an influential and pleasing personality physically. He had harsh speech, but would calm down pretty quickly.

His mother will be fine as moon is aspected by Jup in navamsa. He will get this flat max by end of 2012.

Please let me know what you think.

Best Regards
Sonu

[swamykool]

Sonu ji,

Very very interesting analysis and you have taken up quite intriguing angles. Congrats. Since I don't know much Jaimini, I'll reserve my comments.

swamykool