VALENTINE'S DAY

[Basab]

Aseem,

Great to see that you have recovered from the heartbreak! It indeed shows your maturity, and it proves the detached mind that you have grown in the last couple of years. I hope I grow some detachment in me to face the shocks of life better. A lot to learn from you, buddy. Take care.

[Basab]

Hehehehe... You are right, 'Basab' is indeed the name of the God of Rain, Lord Indra. I was born in the rainy season too: in the month of July. The irony is, I am living a life, which is the extreme opposite of the life Lord Indra is supposed to lead. But then, I have high hopes for the future, that nature will compensate for all the years of my life that it has wasted.

Thanks Basab, the God of Rain!!!

[Basab]

Aseem,

It was raining heavily the day I was born. Interestingly, it was "Ratha Yatra" that day, so I guess it would have been more appropriate to give me a name of Lord Jagannath instead of Lord Indra. But then, maybe the person who gave that name felt that I would lead the life of Lord Indra.

Yeah, I bet your name was given to you when it was raining!!!

[Basab]

Wow! This is amazing! I mean, if a saint has given you the name 'Aseem', you will definitely be Aseem one day--I mean, a person of infinite success.

Oh you edited it before it was posted....Wow, amazing!!!....My name aseem- the infinite was given to my by the famous Saint of Ayodhya!!! The Saint was besides my mother when I was born

[Basab]

Thank you, Aseem.

[Basab]

Yeah, I know you have achieved a lot of success in life so far, as you told me once, but more to follow, buddy--more to follow. You have reached the moon, but yet to reach the stars, and be one of them! Do say 'Hi' from my side to my favourite star then--of course if you still remember this dharti ka boj from the sky up above.

Wow! This is amazing! I mean, if a saint has given you the name 'Aseem', you will definitely be Aseem one day--I mean, a person of infinite success.

Yeah, this name has given me a lot of things. Come what may, I will live up to my name!!!!
Thanks.

[Talib]

Now, I hope you will love me for the lines in the last 2 para's because you don't hate someone who points out your mistakes--you love them instead. I hope you feel a lot of love for me now, while reading this post, even though I am rude to you because you love everyone equally, and then how can you hate your own self--as is said, I am you, and you are me, and me am Anupamji--we all are same--we all are Brahman. Easy to say it, man. Difficult to follow. That is what Swami Vivekananda talked about all the time. That we are experts in making these dry discussions, but we are hypocrites when it comes to following it in our life.

Hahahahhaha Basab u r awesome ..did u read and understand the joke in my last post which was exclusively for u..if not, read it again and if u wont understand i will tell u wt does it mean ..that joke is a big compliment for u. i knew and was expecting this type of post from u ..which according to u is a sharing of thoughts, but when u loose ur patience u end up with personnel attacks and blame game but very diplomatically .

Have you concentrated on yourself? Yes, you have, but only on your positives because you love to see only the positives in you, not the negatives. And the biggest proof of that is you have not stopped smoking--something which is harmful to you. You will never leave smoking because you will never try to work out that problem in you--after all you don't like focussing on the negative. There maybe are 100's of flaws in you, but you will not even bother to look at them but keep looking at the positives that you have.

Basab, i dont have to give u any proof, and dont need a certificate whether i see positive or negatives in me. i know my self very well , i m not a confused soul at all. I know cigarette smoking is harmful and a bad habit but this bad habit is far better than eating animal flash. BTW are u non vegeterian? if yes,leave discussing abt universal love, u dont even have right to think abt "LOVE", spirituality and characterstics of pseudo's and let me clear u again i was not talking abt bad habits but negative thought process. there are not 100 but 1000 flaws in me and let me take care of them .

Now, I hope you will love me for the lines in the last 2 para's because you don't hate someone who points out your mistakes--you love them instead. I hope you feel a lot of love for me now, while reading this post, even though I am rude to you because you love everyone equally, and then how can you hate your own self--as is said, I am you, and you are me, and me am Anupamji--we all are same--we all are Brahman. Easy to say it, man. Difficult to follow. That is what Swami Vivekananda talked about all the time.

HAHAHAHHAHA yes Basab, I love u and will always.. but my love for u is same as i love my 1.5 yrs old nephew no matter how much he irritates me but at the end he makes me laugh and happy just like "sardar ji" in Joke and i m very much sure most of the members here love u the same way. as far as Anupam ji and many other memebrs are concerned my love for them is of teacher and student. Now, dont come up with ur interpertation and dictionary definition of word "equally"

That we are experts in making these dry discussions, but we are hypocrites when it comes to following it in our life.

again a negative thought process ..we can even learn from pseudo spiritual and hypocrites because they pretend what they are not, and when some one pretends, he put in his 100% efforts to prove he is more genuine.i have read a story of "charli chaplin" who lost a competion from his look a like,coz his look a like proved himself more genuine than real charlie. these people are more beneficial for a start, u just have to b aware when u have to filter them from ur life.

This discussion or "SHARING OF THOUGHTS" is diverting towards negative side and as always fruitless. lets only share about our view on LOVE nad dont waste our time in blaimng or trying to find flaws in others.


Love

[Talib]

Basab,

I have just read ur edit post now and i m totally agree wd u that what ever we r discussing here is nothing more than a theory and far away from reality. even i m passing my time here writing to u.. reason is, my spiritual quest is over and now i m just waiting for my guru to take me under his control. u can not even learn by discussing what problems one faces in living spiritual life, u urself has to jump in to it as it is always an individual journey..till then it will always b dry theories.i got to know there is no way out but surrendering urself to almighty and prabhu simran but that is my understanding, you may understand it in different way. I know and understand u very well and believe u will give ur best when u fly in open space with ur wide wings.

regarding principle of universal love... i m honest in my views and i know i have to pass many tests to prove my authenticity. i m confident enough that i will pass it wd good marks. rest all is in my lords hands and i m very much sure that he takes care of his kids. he is the most compassionate personified and "THE DOER"...... NA AHAM KARTA , SHRI HARI KARTA


i think u have understood that exclusive joke. i knew u will

Lots of Love to you

[Basab]

Talib,

did u read and understand the joke in my last post which was exclusively for u..if not, read it again and if u wont understand i will tell u wt does it mean ..that joke is a big compliment for u. i knew and was expecting this type of post from u ..which according to u is a sharing of thoughts, but when u loose ur patience u end up with personnel attacks and blame game but very diplomatically .

I didn't understand the joke if it was a compliment, but did understand it if it was about making a joke of me. No, I am not personally attacking you, I am just holding a mirror to show everyone their faces: those who are truly spiritual will feel proud to see their face there, and those who are wearing masks, will feel ashamed to see their face there. I also look at the mirror sometimes to see how I look there.

Basab, i dont have to give u any proof, and dont need a certificate whether i see positive or negatives in me. i know my self very well , i m not a confused soul at all. I know cigarette smoking is harmful and a bad habit but this bad habit is far better than eating animal flash. BTW are u non vegeterian? if yes,leave discussing abt universal love, u dont even have right to think abt "LOVE", spirituality and characterstics of pseudo's and let me clear u again i was not talking abt bad habits but negative thought process. there are not 100 but 1000 flaws in me and let me take care of them .

No, definitely not. Why should you give proof to me? I only raise questions in a person's mind: the answer to that he should give to himself, not to me. And I am amazed by this answer from you: that you know your self very well. Everyone thinks the same way, man! Ask a kid, who is yet to learn to understand himself--even he will say he knows himself perfectly.

Now, coming to the logic of cigarette somking, I feel like laughing hearing your logic: it is the typical school boy's logic: defending a wrong by comparing it with another wrong. It's like it's not wrong to steal a thousand rupees because many are stealing millions. A wrong is a wrong! People will only laugh hearing your logic.

Yes, I am non-vegetarian, and this thread is about all kinds of love, not just divine love or universal love. I think you don't qualify for discussing universal love too because the above quotes lines are showing your anger towards me, which not just God but anyone can see. If you had written me a nice reply, I would have thought you were living the motto of 'universal love', but you are not, and the 'hahahahaha' that you have written has not been able to hide your anger towards me. It is showing very well.

HAHAHAHHAHA yes Basab, I love u and will always.. but my love for u is same as i love my 1.5 yrs old nephew no matter how much he irritates me but at the end he makes me laugh and happy just like "sardar ji" in Joke and i m very much sure most of the members here love u the same way.

Great! But then, you are spiritually so shallow. You have not understood the truth of life. The Truth is: Basab=Anupamji=Talib=your nephew=Brahman. And now, if you love me in some way and you love Anupamji in another way, then I have to say that you have not understood spirituality. It is a pity indeed that you didn't understand the greatest truth of spirituality and loving different people in different ways. I was not wrong: you are fully in the trap of maya, but the sad part is, you are not even aware of it.

Basab wrote:
That we are experts in making these dry discussions, but we are hypocrites when it comes to following it in our life.

again a negative thought process

I am shocked! You are calling Swami Vivekananda's thought process negative! I just wrote exactly what he has said, and you are saying it is a negative thought process. I think you would be a better teacher than Swami Vivekananda as you don't have a negative thought process like him as you are saying yourself.

This discussion or "SHARING OF THOUGHTS" is diverting towards negative side and as always fruitless. lets only share about our view on LOVE nad dont waste our time in blaimng or trying to find flaws in others.

A discussion is always fruitless. Don't waste time discussing, rather spend that time realizing.

[Basab]

Talib,

reason is, my spiritual quest is over and now i m just waiting for my guru to take me under his control.

Hope that happens soon--that you meet your guru. As is said, when the student is ready, the teacher comes to him.

u can not even learn by discussing what problems one faces in living spiritual life, u urself has to jump in to it as it is always an individual journey..till then it will always b dry theories.i got to know there is no way out but surrendering urself to almighty and prabhu simran but that is my understanding, you may understand it in different way. I know and understand u very well and believe u will give ur best when u fly in open space with ur wide wings.

Thank you for understanding me. Destiny has clipped my wings. Yes, I dream to fly one day, in the materialistic sky, not the spiritual one.

regarding principle of universal love... i m honest in my views and i know i have to pass many tests to prove my authenticity. i m confident enough that i will pass it wd good marks.

If you are honest to yourself, then there is nothing more I can say. Best of luck to you on your spiritual journey.

Best wishes.

[Basab]

Thank you, Aseem. I had read it in some book.

[Basab]

You know once my son asked me "Papa I know I am very much careless but I don't know how much I try to get rid of it I fail always". I smiled a little and retorted in return "Well you need not to do any extra effort to remove your carelessness, just do one thing, whenever you come out of your room just close the door properly everytime instead of leaving it open always. Do it for coming one month and then I will tell you what to do next".

Anupamji,

This is one of the most brilliant suggestion one can give to anyone. What do you suggest me for my stubborn belief that 'destiny is predestined'?

[Talib]

Talib Ji,

You know from here the journey begins to know the unconscious mind. These small sentences that comes out of nowhere, at the spur of moment, many a time tell us the deep psychology of any native. That is how we learn about 'Human Nature' since the native generally may not accept due to human ego or even do not know what type of mind she or he has that is projecting all the good or bad events in his/her life. That is from where the chapter of 'Free Will' begins.

True Anupam Ji, we think that we know ourselves and biggest mistake we do is by accepting our human ego to b our reality. whereas, our truth is hidden in unconscious mind. After my PLR i understood one thing that my present life is nothing but projection of the images stored in my unconscious mind. I got to know many things which wld have been never clear to me if i did not opted to go through process of PLR. My sarcastic nature, seeking emotions and love in return of love, my fears and guilts etc etc.. u r right its the Mind which plays the spoil sport. Anupam Ji, at this stage i am not interested in understanding the psyche of anybody else but mine. i want to get rid of the garbage inside me. may god give me this astra in the form of free will.

From here the whole Astrological Combinations change their colors once you have understood the deep psyche of the native. It is what I call karmic root and from where you start understanding the various karmic intricacies of any individual and all the planets start telling you different stories, in hush hush tone, that were not visible before unless Astrology is just a crude and dicey affair.

yes, Anupam ji i have read in a book by B. V raman that our horoscope are less concerned to our future but more concerned to our past. that is why we calll it blue print of our karma's and once we start understanding deep karmic roots the whole meaning of present astrology changes.

I don't know you stopped right there or went more deep since after all she was your Girl Friend and you were on 'Date' .

Anupam Ji, i did not want to spoil my date . moreover, i believe women are born perfect so there is no point in analysing them.

People even do not know how to use 'Free Will' here since they find it hard to change themselves but they do not know changes always come through small scale instead of trying to move the mountain from the very beginning as they generally do .

Very true, but anupam ji these people are atleast thinking of using "free will" there are many who dont want to move a bit and want mountain to move for them.

One exercise for you Talib Ji. Think deeply, why you asked your girl friend what she likes in you ? Answer is simple but do not stop right here but see is the life just projected, more or less, the other way round. Think Why ??

I read this line many times Anupam Ji, its definietly related to my unconscious mind. please help me to understand.

Love

[Basab]

Anupamji,

I was joking when I said I am stubborn about my belief on destiny. I am not, even though I know that is how it seems like from my writings. I am ready to change my view that everything is predestined—I am always ready to change that if I ever get to read something, which is convincing enough to make me change my belief on that. It’s because I have no personal interest in keeping that belief alive. I know some people keep a belief alive just because that will help them defend the life they are living. As a failure in life, it will be the most convenient for me to call everything predestined and defend myself, but that is never the case as far as I am concerned. I have always been bluntly honest with myself, and that is something I have always taken pride in. I know, you may feel that I call destiny to be predestined because I am scared that if it is not so, I will have to blame myself for my not succeeding in life—I will have to blame myself for not taking initiative in anything. Well, it is not at all like that. Just like you don’t care one bit about what a birth chart says, I don’t care one bit about it too.

I remember when I was young, I was told that by many, many astrologers that I will be a hugely successful person, one day. Well, I maybe so in the future, who knows? But then, till date nothing like that has happened. I was quite young when I was shown those rosy dreams—told that my birth chart promises it, and I used to laugh on their predictions knowing that nothing like that can happen because I don’t have such talents in me to become successful.

I have always had a good foresight, always could analyze the future with my logical mind—and I have given more correct predictions to people, analyzing their nature, that by analyzing their chart—and I always used to say that if astrology predicts success for me, then astrology is wrong because I don’t see any success for me, as I am now.

If tomorrow I become successful, if tomorrow the predictions they have made for me has to come true, then some talent that is hidden in me has to come out because this person, who is sitting and writing to you can’t become successful, even if God comes down to tell me that he can! Yes, he can become successful, if his personality changes, if some dormant talent in him, which he is not aware of, comes out, but not as he is now! So you see, I have always been logical in my thinking.

I have always believed that if something is destined to happen, then it will happen, but logically it will also get explained. Just as a person with no writing skills can’t become a writer, even if his birth chart says so; just as a person with no talent in singing can’t become a singer, even if his birth chart says so; the same way, a loser can’t become a winner, even if his birth chart says so. So everything happens as per logic is what I feel. This is the kind of attitude I keep always.

I am ready to accept a new belief if that I find logically convincing. You have always talked about free will, and I know it is a different brand of free will, not the one which is about efforts, but my question to you is, is it in our free will to develop that attitude of trying to understand nature, trying to understand the hidden mysteries of life, trying to understand the hidden secrets of the reason why we react, to find a cause to the effect, which is our life as it is now?

I agree with you that once we know the reason why we are what we are, why we react the way we do, we will be able to understand our past samaksaras and change it accordingly as per the need of the situation, but is it in our hand to grow that frame of mind, to analyze our life that way? Is it is a choice we make? Can anyone and everyone suddenly decide to follow what you are asking them to follow? That is the question I ask myself, and that is where I get stuck up with this belief that everything is predestined.

Predestined destiny, if you ask me, is a theory for me, which I am exploring, just for the sake of an intellectual excercise. I am not voicing this belief because it is helping me in defending me. I am not waiting for destiny to change my life—I am waiting for my problems in life to get solved logically, and I will try to cover all the ground I have lost in the race with my competitors then. And if not, then I will try to accept my life as it is because what I am today has a logical explanation to it. It's not just my health that has got me down. I don't think there is enough talent in me to be successful, and it is very much jusitifed that I have not been able to make anything of life. I am not one of those who complains that life didn't give me a fair chance because it gave me many chances, but I couldn't make anything of them because I don't know how to make anything of them—I don't have the talent in me to make anything of them. That is the simple truth, and I have the guts to accept that truth.

My attitude is that of a perfectly logical person. I don’t sit back because destiny is making me sit back; but because, logically I know there is no choice for me other than that. Well, that is my destiny of course, and if someone says that there is nothing called destiny—let there not be something like that. I don't care one bit, anyway.

You know, when I got into reading books on spirituality, the first question I asked myself was, why didn’t I take interest in it earlier? And I knew why: because it was the only medicine for my suffering that had gone beyond tolerance then. And once I was satisfied that I had got a logical explanation for it, I went ahead with the reading of the books on the subject. I am sure many others would be struck dumb that how destiny changed me—it changed someone from a hater of spirituality to a lover of spirituality; but then, they don’t try to explore the logic behind it. So every magic of destiny has a clear and simple logic behind it, and I always make sure that I understand that because I am more interested in finding logic behind a thing than in getting amazed by this belief that it was destiny's super-power to defy the logic of life.

So my question to you again is, is it our choice when we try to use the ‘free will’ you talk about? Is it our choice when we listen to what you say, when we agree to follow what you say? It’s because unless we listen to what you say, unless we follow what you say, that ‘free will’ you have talked about cannot be used to our own advantage. So here goes my question to you once more: do we have the free will to use the ‘free will’ you are talking about?

[Basab]

Anupamji,

As I have been saying that nobody till date able to tell my future exactly since I am votary of Free Will and know every reason of my rise and fall at the given moment that no astrologer can tell me since it needs 'Insight' instead of having knowledge of 'Astrology' no matter how much.

I am a fool that I wrote so much in my previous post when just three questions to you would have been sufficient to make my point. Let me ask them here. Here they go:

1. Is it your choice, and not your destiny, that you are a votary of 'free will'?
2. Is it your own ability, and not your destiny, that got you a sharp mind and the inclination to get to understand the every reason behind your rise and fall?
3. Is it your own effort, and not your destiny, which has given you insight?

If the answer to even one of the three questions is yes, then I will stop calling everything predestined right from this moment--of course only if you logically explain how it is so; and if the answer to all three of them is no, then I will say that it is your destiny, which made you work towards changing your destiny.

One more thing I would like to say, Anupamji: please take these questions of mine in the right spirit. I am not challenging your belief in anyway, if that is how it comes across to you.

[Talib]

KHATARNAAK DOSTI.... Boy was late 2 home. His father "kaha tha tu?" ...
boy- "Friend ke yahaa tha."
Father called his 10 friends.
4 answered: "Haan uncle, yhi per tha"
3 answered: "abhi just nikla he"
2 answered: "yahi he uncle, Pad raha he...phone du kya"...?
1 ne to had hi kar di He Answerd:"Haan papa, bolo kya hua?"


Best Friend's.... Boy was late 2 home. His father "where were u?" ...
boy- "i was at my friends house."
Father called his 10 friends.
4 answered: "yes uncle, "he was wd me"
3 answered: "he just left"
2 answered: "he is studying do u want to talk to him...?
I friend gave his best shot, he answered, "hey father wassssssuppp?



Love

[Basab]

Anupamji,

There is no hurry. Please take your time. And I am always open to new thoughts as long as it has a logical explanation.

[Basab]

Anupamji,

I will criticize a bad man because I am a good man--because I can't accept his vices, and I will definitely wish that he improves because I think he has vices. But that is not the answer to my question. My point is will he listen to me? Will the person with bad qualities listen to me and change himself? I know my habit of arguing is bad, and I am not trying to defend myself with the logic of predestined destiny, but am I being able to change that habit? There are many bad points in me, and I think they are wrong, and I don't give the excuse of destiny for them, but am I being able to change myself? What you are telling me is right I know, but am I following it? I want to leave this discussion board, but can I do that?

I read in the book on Swami Vivekananda this exact point. He said that you are asking a bad person to be good, but you don't know how helpless he is. He has no choice but to be bad, just the way you, the good person, have no choice but to be good. This is what I read in his book.

I didn't give a straight reply to your question because you didn't give a straight reply to mine. The law of karma operates in these small things as well: as you sow, so shall you reap.

I want your logical and precise answer . Precisely my question is why we should criticize 'Bad Man' instead of having sympathy with his Predestined Destiny that has made him crippled !!!

[Talib]

Banta: Mere pass LOVA hai, FB hai, Orkut hai!
Tumhre pass kya hai.
Santa: Mere pass Kaam dhanda hai.


Love

[Basab]

Anupamji,

See the magic of destiny here: I didn’t wish to give you a straight reply, but destiny still made me give you a straight reply. Why? It’s because, I don’t know how to write in riddles. I think straight, and I write straight. If I try to change myself, I can’t. This is the point I am making. I consciously tried to write in a confusing manner, but I ended up writing a clear answer. I read my reply again, and I realized that I have given a to-the-point reply to you as you wished for.

I will tell you what I understood today when I read my reply to you again. I think you wanted to test me, to get an idea of how much deep my belief on predestined destiny was, whether I was following what I was preaching, and you realized that I am not actually doing that. Maybe I am doing that in a conscious level, but not doing that in an unconscious level.

You asked me whether I will be able to accept it if someone does wrong, with this belief that it’s okay because he is suffering his destiny; and if I had said yes, it meant that the belief in predestined destiny was in my very veins, and free will can never take a place in my heart; but when I said that I will not accept it, not accept something wrong done by someone as his destiny, I proved that I can't surrender to destiny, even if I say that. I confirmed it more for you by saying that I don’t tolerate the negative points in me by giving it the name of destiny. That made it sure for you that the fighting spirit in me is there—my spirit has not bowed down to destiny; the belief in free will is just dormant now, but it will come out and fight with destiny because it is making silent protests even now, though every protest of it is being suppressed by the other strong belief in destiny.

Anupamji, as I have said before, one line explains me the best: the line which Sri Krishna said to Arjuna: when you live your life, believe this that you make your destiny, but know this for true that everything is predestined.

This line defines me exactly. I know everything is predestined; but then, I am not one of those who sits back giving the excuse of destiny or defend something wrong giving it the name of destiny.

About Swami Vivekananda, yes, he was a votary of free will, but he also talked about destiny as I have quoted sometime back in some other thread here; and then, he many a times used to say that everything happens as per Mother’s will.

I agree that some saints give more stress to free will and some to destiny and a wise person will believe in something which harmonizes all the contradictory beliefs of all the great saints. That I understand definitely; but then, as you said, one has to realize something and then only he will believe in it, otherwise not. And if I am destined to realize this truth that free will is also true, I will definitely realize it someday.

About the planets not affecting spiritual people, isn't it true that Swami Vivekananda died very early, in his late thirties, when he definitely wanted to live a little longer because he thought that he could have done more work for humanity then? He just said that what Mother wants that will only happen. He said the same thing that everything happens as per Mother's wish when things didn't go as per plan or when he was struggling.

Same with Sri Ramakrishna. He died at the age of 50, I think, which is quite early, and if he had lived longer, he would have done more for the service of mankind; but when someone asked him why he doesn't cure himself when he definitely can with all the spiritual powers he had attained, he said that he can never ask Mother to cure him.

Something similar I read in K.N. Rao's book where he said that most of the saints say that it is best to suffer the karma silently, instead of trying to escape it. That is the most wise thing to do, according to them. I feel if a person has grown really spiritual, he will stop bothering about suffering and happiness, winning and losing and other dualities of maya, letting them do their own work, his mind being in an elevated state of conciousness, beyond the body conciousness. So he will not try to change his destiny, but accept it without bothering for it because the planets can affect the body but not the soul, and he has realized himself to be the soul and not the body.

I feel if one is trying to change his destiny, then he is still being materialistic because he is trying to lessen the suffering of the body, and the body is not the reality, the soul is. Once a person knows himself to be the soul, not the body, he will just stop bothering about the body, how many blows destiny may give it because it is not him who is getting the blows of destiny, it is his body which is getting those blows.

So, I feel, it is more important to detach yourself from the dualities of life than try to change the suffering to happiness or the losses to gains because the very effort to correct your karma is a materliastic effort and not a spiritual effort.

Giving up all efforts to change the karmic pattern, but letting it flow on its own course and trying to grow a detached mind to everything is the best way, I feel, to get out of the karmic cycle. Let the karmas burn out on their own, and the detached mind will not let more karmas come to the picture.

[Basab]

I had started this thread to wish Valentine's Day to everyone; but then, right now we are talking about destiny, free will, logic and saints and everything but love! This is what we call predestined destiny!

[Basab]

Aseem,

Just because you are a virgin doesn't mean that the whole world will remain a virgin at the age of 28! And what is there in whether one is a virgin or not! Virginity has nothing to do with a person's nature! A good person can have lost her virginity in her early twenties and a bad person may stay virgin even in her mid-thirties.

About whether you will get married to a virgin, well, I can't say that. I don't know astrology so well to predict that. But my advice to you is, choose your wife considering how the girl is nature-wise and not on whether she is a virgin or not! And one more thing: on a thread which is about Valentine's Day, which is about lovers, don't bring petty issues like virginity. If you love some, love her unconditionally. That is true love!

[Basab]

Aseem,

I was serious too!! Whether a person is a virgin or not should not be an issue with anyone!! No, I have not lost my virginity. I am a pure virgin!! And I am not flaunting my virginity like you are, even though I am 2 years older to you. I am 30+ and still am a virgin!

[Basab]

Aseem,

I am flaunting the emoticon in the underlined part because you made me come out with my little secret that I didn't want to share with anyone: that I am still a virgin. It is not something to be proud of that I am still a virgin at the age of 30+.

[Basab]

Aseem,

The only answer to your question is: love for love's sake, not for anything else.

If you love some, love her unconditionally. That is true love!

Yeah...you mean physically or emotionally or beyond them but what is beyond them?