The link between karma and the planets

[lovacrs]

Thanks Anupamji

Dear BVRshishya ji

[quote]As far as nepotism by narayana, one should realize decision to salvate a soul is for the pleasure of narayana alone not the other way around.[/quote]

Pls dont take offence at my using the word nepotism. It was in alighter vein. Nevertheless Sriman Narayana has always proclaimed to be a "Bhakta vatsala". His incarnation of Krishna atleast has treated some as favourites (e.g, Arjuna) in comparison to others without the epics giving any reasons for doing so. We may certainly argue that it was their karma phala.

Somehow I am not inclined to agree that Narayana does anything for his pleasure at all. I will rather say he is beyond his own pleasure.

At the end of it all my question remains unanswered. We all believe that a life of piety and devoutness burns karma and gives us deliverance faster from the birth-death-rebirth cycle.Narayan's offer was exactly the reverse. For leading a life great demons causing hardships to innumerable people, violence and mayhem they were to be rewarded with a shorter cycle that too with an assurance upfront. Some of our current day politicians will be very happy to have such offers.

Our scriptures are full of symbolism and hidden messages. I am just trying to get some insight on what may be behind this apparent contradiction.

CRS

[lovacrs]

bvrshishyaji,

The way I understand it is GOD is sachetana. Because he has chetana he cant help but do so many things which includes creation. While doing so he neither attains a state of pleasure nor the absence of it (displeasure or sorrow...). These are attributes of Mrityuloka.

As regards questioning HIS choice, as I said earlier, in HIS scheme of things there is no arbitrariness. My purpose of pointing out the contradictions in his scheme of things for us (as we understand) and that for Jaya/Vijaya. I have asked this question with the confidence that HE is right and there is no arbitrariness in his decision. I just want to understand how this contradiction is not arbitrary.

CRS

[lovacrs]

Thanks bvrshishyaji,

[quote]In my view (our religious philosopical view), Sriman Narayana is both above ...[/quote]

I will try and read about this. Thanks for elucidating this view.

[quote]....But their moksha is a result of the totality of their karma, purity in the thought of their selection of karma in the past not just for deeds in their lifetime as asuras. [/quote]

I am not contesting that Sriman Narayana played out this with some specific purpose. But my central question is why Jaya/Vijaya's past karma before their choice plus the karma in 3 lives of non-piety gives [i]them[/i] better results than their past karmas plus 7 lives of piety.

I perfectly understand that if 3 of us are riding our two wheelers without helmets where helmet is mandatory, I get fined and the other two dont, and I still cant question the officer. But this case is prima facie is comparable to I being fined and the other two being rewarded with riches for not wearing the helmet. I also understand that if Naryana does it he must have had a purpose. I want to understand that purpose.

CRS

[lovacrs]

Dear bvrshishyaji,

Thanks indeed for trying to clarify my doubts.

But I stil find that the explanaitons still do not meet the test of logic. As you and Anupamji have already pointed out not everything can not be tested with logic. Unfortunately limitations of human mind does not allow me to understand and appreciate something does not fulfill this test. In other words if pleasure of Narayana is indeed arbitrary, then I have no target to work towards.

For e.g, I get additional questions on the explanation:

1. If everything was to be at the pleasure of Narayana why did he offer a choice at all? Does it mean that he meant to give them a free will (with emphasis on "free") in which case the exercise of their free-will is not controlled by Narayana?

2. You have mentioned that based on the actions of free-will Narayan will dscern our true intent. In case of Jaya/Vijaya their either choice would have deserved good karma phala because both the choice had a built-in proclamation that they would continue to be HIS bhaktas (after 3 lives in the first choice and all through in the 2nd choice). If Narayana were to ignore the impact of these choices on others (for e.g, trouble caused to other bhaktas in the first choice) then what is there to discern between the two?

And finally, I am reminded of a joke that actually explains the choices offerred logically. The joke goes that when a priest and a taxi driver dies, the former was assigned to hell and the latter to heaven. This was because when the priest delivered the sermons the lsiteners slept whereas when the taxi driver drove, the passengers prayed to God for their lives. Probably Jaya/Vijaya in their asura births created such havoc that even people who had forgotten Narayana had to start praying.

CRS

PS: Apologies if I sound argumentative. But I suppose it is the effect of Ge Asc. The intent of-course is to get a resounding reply

[lovacrs]

Thanks bvrshishyaji and Anupamji for the patience

I certainly appreciate the thoughts and various approaches to the question that I raised. It has given me enough material to brood over.

[quote]...Bvr ji discussing is nothing but the path of surrender and bhakti in which everything is done for pleasing God and gradually it takes us to him.[/quote]

The way bvrshishyaji has put it, the Bhakta has to do everything with intent to please Narayana but Narayana will decide whether he is pleased by it or not.

CRS

[sachinwadhwa]

Dear Anupamji,

When god is only one, single source of energy then why do we have so many names, types of god in hinduism. I understand that in different languages, we refer to god by different names, which may be due to the script / language but why do we do it in hinduism.

End of the day, we believe it is only one God and only one form of power.

Please feel free to correct my understanding.

Regards

[sachinwadhwa]

[/quote]Shiva, rudra, rudrani, Kartikeya, kubera, mahalaxmi etc. etc. all are non vedic gods but still we regard them as our gods due to the cultural amalgamation which took place thousands of years back. [/quote]

Dear Anupam ji,

This is amazing. I am hearing about Vedic gods and Non Vedic gods for the first time in my life. Thank you for sharing. Request you to please elaborate on it further and share their origin.

Also, regarding innumerable invasions on our land, request you to share the invasions pre mughal era / pre alexander era.

Regards

[Caliber]

Dear Anupamji,

I have been reading your articles for the past 2/3 months. Your insights into the Vedic culture is great.

Your articles do cleanse my soul. May be some similarities in our mentality. I am born non-vegetarian. But I had Chicken only once or twice in my childhood around age 9-10. Then in my adulthood, had once with friends force and had vomited due to psychological perception. I also had 5-10 times liquor and vomited always and the smell itself gives me vomit sensation.

I started doing Pooja with out any one telling me when my Guru Mahadasa started (I did not know any thing about Astrology then). Now I came to these forums when my Ashtama Sani started. I also have Mercury in 8th house like you. Is it due to this we have similarities in at least few things?

Please keep opening our souls. May God bless you.

Srini
11-11-1964 17.20 Hrs, Guntur, AP

[Basab]

Quoting from my post to Rajitha:

"Well, the reason is, your wife has chosen to suffer more in this life so as to wipe out her negative karmas faster, i.e., suffer more than is due to her, as her goal is attaining moksha."

Quoting from Anupamji's post:

"[quote]About why the individual can't accept the difficulties with a smile, well, how can he? He has chosen to suffer, so he has to suffer, right?[/quote]

'I may differ slightly on this aspect. This is not a matter of choice but instead is matter of what has ripen and what is not.'"

Dear Anupamji,

I read about what I said in 2-3 books one of which was "ASTROLOGY OF THE SEERS" by David Frawley from Page 78 of which I would like to quote here:

"Saturn gives bad luck, misfortune, difficult karma, or an unfortunate destiny. Yet these afflictions do not necessarily come upon a soul because it has been evil or slow to evolve in past lives. Some souls, particularly those more advanced, may seek such things as a means of quicker spiritual growth."

[sachinwadhwa]

[/quote]I am sharing all this because I believe that in order to find the truth you have to be the embodiment of truth unless you can't reach to that last lamp post. That is why I shared what I could hide.[/quote]

Thank you Anupam ji for sharing your knowledge and real life examples.

Regards

[Basab]

[quote="anupam1968"]So, I think this statement can be related with advanced souls instead of every soul whoever taking rebirth on this earth.[/quote]

Dear Anupamji,

You are right in your understanding as that's exactly what David Frawley has mentioned in his book, "ASTROLOGY OF THE SEERS": "Some souls, particularly those more advanced, may seek such things as a means of quicker spiritual growth."

[sachinwadhwa]

[quote="anupam1968"]
Guru Nanak was Vidur, the adviser of Dhritrashtra and Sai of Shirdi was Kuntibhoj, the father of Kunti. I would say my mars major period and the Mahabharta war have a kind of very strong relation as far as my karmas are concerned.[/quote]

Respected Anupam ji,

I have 3 topics where I request your comments for clearing the ambiguity.

1.
I remember you said in one of your posts that Hitler went to heaven, and spiritually evolved souls continue to take rebirths. This concept is still not sinking in.

It could be a case that many people might have collectively killed Hitler, so Hitler might be zeroing out his karmas by killing them. But if Hitler would have practised forgiveness, he would have been on a better spiritual plane than killing so many people and still going to heaven.

2.
Now regarding spiritually realized souls:
(a) Not completely realized - When Vidhur and Kuntibhoj met Lord Krishna, ideally they should have received Moksha in the same birth, due to the divine energy coming out of god. What can make them or infact you survive for around 3,00,000 years, take rebirths and then finally get salvation? What is the relation between Mahabharata and this yug change?

(b) Completely Realized - As we know that God takes birth again and again in form of Lord Ram, Lord Krishna, New name expected in 2012-2014, so I believe people who have spiritually realised god completely and have become part of god may also take rebirth. But they are aware of the cosmic truth, so they don't take rebirths again and again. So like God, they also come to this planet with a motto, do their task and go back to him.

This could be a dumb analysis, so wanted to know your thoughts.

3.
Also, I have a question on religion. Why did a new religion started after Gurunanak ji while Sai didn't have one? When both of them knew who they were in their previous births, why will a follower of god allow his own puja or temple, when he is aware of the cosmic truth?

Please parden my ignorance, if I have offended anyone.

Regards

[lovacrs]

Anupamji,

You have made some interesting observations. There have been quite a few versions of Mahbharath itself in recent times that throw up alternative and equally compelling views.

As for Bhishma's ego, I feel there were many other egos that could well account for the war.

In fact unlike other epics, in Mahabharath, there is no description anywhere of Kauravaas hurting the common man or the society (e.g, preventing ishta devata pooja, encouraging "Raakshasi Pravritti") in anyway. Can this be called a dharma yuddha just because within a family the two groups could not settle their disputes amicably? If it warrants to be called a dharma yuddha for this reason, were there not other unsettled disputes amongst other royal families? Why did Krishna not interfere in these and ensured that Dharma prevailed? Or were there other Krishnas who have not been chronicled in epics?

If Bhishma's ego was the culprit what about ego of Dharmaraya who could not refuse to accept an invite to gamble. After all Bhishma's vow was about himself and his conduct unrelated to others (Ambika in this case, though by a convoluted argument she may have argued that it did) while the act of gambling was known to affect the entire family.

Coming to Bhishma's inaction on Draupadi's plight in the sabha, I recollect another perspcective. The way you mentioned that Kshatriyas could not refuse an invite to gamble, this version says that the humiliation meted out to Drapudi was in fact the normal treatment to a "Daasi" which Draupadi was after she was lost in the gamble as a bet. Those days royal family could use a "Daasi" in anyway (remember Vidura was a daasiputra). The disrobing (according to this version) was to enforce the accepted dress code for Daasis which Drapudis refused to abide by. (I of-course find these practices repulsive to say the least).

As regards salvation of Bhishma - He was the cursed 8th vasu who had to take birth in Mrityuloka to redeem himself of the curse. Hence unless we disbelive this entire story it will be difficult to accept that his soul would have taken birth again.

You have also brought up a very interesting question. Why should anyone want salvation as against perpetual presence in swarga? I am assuming here that for a person who has not attained salvation Swarga vaasa is a sojourn and he has to return to earth for his next life after enjoying swarga as long as his karma phal would enable him.

CRS

PS: I hope I have not offended you by countering some of your views.

[sachinwadhwa]

Respected Anupam ji,

Excellent conversation - I will share my thoughts further:

1.
“But other men of Mahabharta presents the picture of traditional rajputs dying for their aan, baan and shan. Never stepping back what they have uttered no matter it may cost them horribly in the coming future. They do not care.”

What is the difference between Lord Rama and other Kyshatriyas..He also sent Sita to forest due to what society said…then you may conclude that Lord Rama was not god. I beg to differ. Many times God takes path which are conventional or unconventional depending upon the need of hour. He may choose to be Maryada purshotam Rama, or angry Parshuram, cunning Lord Krishna, Narsimha….or any form… which is required in the relevant yuga / time….It is the need of the hour which matters…and it is god’s will in which form he wants to manifest. This response of mine echos your thought “But saints still erect institutions or sect in spite of knowing everything because that is the need of an hour.”

2.
"If Bhisma would have thought spiritually in more grander aspect the mahabharta had not taken place.”

Anupam ji, do you think that Mahabharata took place due to Bhsima – I would beg to differ again. It was destined to happen and Bhishma was playing his role in ensuring that lot of souls reach to their destination. If Bhishma pitamaha won’t have been there, then it would have been someone else…They were an medium….It was Lord Krishna’s decision….It is HIS MAJESTY’s (God’s) decision – For me it is a Master and a Slave relationship….

Did Sri Aurobindo received Salvation – only curious?

3.
“Even these incarnations have different levels of strength instead of regarding them as equal because our journey never stops even after getting salvation. You can go higher and higher.”

“You can go higher and higher” - is new to me. Like you wonderfully explained that souls are like salt in the ocean, once the salt is mixed with salty water of the ocean…what is next? If I have become part of god…eventually god…and God is everything…then what else could be left..except…to support god in running this world drama of yugas….This leads to your point of “Okay I have freed but what about others who are crying and wailing in their sheer ignorance. So, at a point of time even desire for Moksha seems to be nothing but complete selfishness on one's part. That is what dawns upon them.”

Regarding your point that, incarnations have different levels of strength – I echo your thoughts. Only energy required to do a particular task is released. Excessive energy will destroy this whole world….this world can’t take it all by itself…

4.
“It is said that some are conscious from their very birth about their final reality but I am still to digest this statement.”

Anupam ji, the very moment I am born, I owe a karmic debt to my mother for having me in her womb for 9 months. So the very moment I enter into the world of karmic debts. Then starts the journey of Karmic debits and credits….which will continue till the right time is arrived to fulfill my cosmic objective…at what age I will realize depends upon when the right time is…. Lord Hanuman got everything in is childhood…he was God…..but it was a human birth…so he did what his age asked him to do…he was a child and little naughty….so certain events took place and he forgot his powers….but he realized everything back in a second at the right time to deliver what he was supposed to …to fulfill objective of his birth…..

The point I want to make is that if God takes birth and forgets his powers because the right time has not come…all of us are slaves of god….there is no question of realizing when we want…you got realization in your Mars MD..because that was the time destined for you…similarly, whether souls will realize at age of 1 yr or 5 yr or 50 yrs…it is the will of the Master… HIS MAJESTY’s will…

5.
“Pandvas lost every child except Parikshit who also died in such an immature age due to a snake.”

That is result of karmas….There can be 2-3 situations…(a) The person who kills other is not god….he will pay for his bad karmas and so did Pandavas…It is the law of nature (b) The person who kills is God…remember he is the master…whether he will be killed (Lord Krishna)….or drown (Lord Rama) or continue to exist on this planet (Lord Hanuman – Lord Shiva) is his choice….I remember you have said in one of your posts that God has told you that he will be changing the rules to end this yuga…he will change the time frame…crush many things….I agree with you completely...he can do it because he is the master….He is Omnipresent….It is him everywhere and in everything…

6.
“Like Shankaracharya was responsible for burning many Scholors of his era. During that age two people would debate and the one who got defeat had to go to burn himself in the fire. On the contrary we are told Shankaracharya was an incarnation of Shiva if it is truth then why he did not stop all this.”

I am thinking loud on this one…The ego of the scholars would have been extremely high…they could have been thinking of everyone as low caste in front of them..Lord Shiva could have taken birth to tell them that there is someone superior to them….Lord may not have burnt all scholars but only those whose ego would have become bigger than HIS MAJESTY (God). If there is anyone who knows everything then that is only him…we come to know only what he communicates to us in our individual conversations… which like you have rightly said “That is why divine communication differs individual to individual.”

7.
“Why Rama took Agni Pariksha of Sita inspite of knowing everything?”

According to me there were 2 reasons to it: (a) To get the divine Sita back from her shadow who had went along ravana…This takes me back to the point that there are radiant rays which come out of gods when they take human birth or even from spiritually realized people..they constantly emit positive energy and vibes…Ravana could not have survived touching sita….(b) This was supposed to be the route to the end of yuga…Lord Rama left his body after Sita left her body….Sita left her body because Luv Kush were questioned about their identity…Luv Kush were questioned because sita was not in Lord Rama’s palace when they were born…so on and so forth…it relates back to Agni pariksha…

Now there is twist, why didn’t Sita left her human body at the very first instance…why did she went to forest…she could have left the human body at the first go itself….that didn’t happen…. Because it is Master’s wish the way he wants the yug to end…Similarly I don’t blame bhishma or anyone whatsoever….

Talking of the current yug….the day HIS MAJESTY wants to end the yuga, he can do it at a blink of an eye…but what when where how…are all in his hands…the way he wants to run this show…..we will do what he wants us to do…

I bow my head in front of the omnipresent.

I have a question for you - What is the relation between Mahabharata and this yug change?

[sachinwadhwa]

“You have also brought up a very interesting question. Why should anyone want salvation as against perpetual presence in swarga? I am assuming here that for a person who has not attained salvation Swarga vaasa is a sojourn and he has to return to earth for his next life after enjoying swarga as long as his karma phal would enable him”

Dear lovacrs,

I think you are correct. Swarga is meant for people who do lot of religious deeds and in return ask god for materialistic things…they continue in their endless journey…when their good deeds are exhausted they come back to this planet….to continue their journey...

Salvation ends your journey, while swarga shows you a good phase of your journey…In any journey there are good and bad times, but what is important is to end the journey and realize the ultimate truth. But to choose between Swarga or salvation is a discretion of the soul….or the Master :) who knows.....

Swarga or materialistic wishes are meant as a check point....before getting salvation, every soul needs to cross that check point...if they pass they get salvation, if they fail they get Swarga or materialistic wishes....then they fall from their current spiritual level

To me it is always Master's decision and discretion, till the time slave becomes part of master and starts speaking master's language....

[sachinwadhwa]

[quote="rajitha"]
So, Anupamji, I don't know if free-will would have helped here. Everything seemed to be pre-destined.[/quote]

Rajitha ji,

Free will works but only between the parameters prescribed by god. A spiritually realized soul will provide help only if the receiver is destined to get it. So free will is a medium used by god to achieve what he wants too. But free will can never be used against the will of god, even if a spiritually evolved person tries too, he won't be able to provide any benefit. Free will is a medium... through which energy accumulated by someone is released for the benefit of the other at the discretion of the master. Even the use and benefit of free will is pre destined...

[sachinwadhwa]

“But I think if I would go further it may be possible that I may hurt someone's sentiments which I don't want to do. So, for a time being I am stopping this discussion and wait to see where it is heading then come again.”
“Sachin Ji I dont want to propagate unduly that I have got realisation.”

Respected Anupam ji,

My apology, if I have hurt you or anyone on this forum. The intent was to not so. Sorry again.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts and experiences.

Regards

[sachinwadhwa]

Thank you Anupam Ji,

It would be very helpful if you can explain the relationship between Mahabharata and this yug change.

Regards

[lovacrs]

Dear Anupamji,

[quote]So, it can be rightly called Dharma Yudha instead of mere dispute between two families.[/quote]

Though I agree that the overall balance of dharma lies in favour of paandavaas, I still dont see the scale of adharma to be as to warrant a divine intervention. I am just comparing this to other epics that involved divine intervention (incarnation). Even in Sri Krishna's period his fight with Kamsa or Jarasandha did not get elevated to the status of "Dharma Yuddha" even though the scale of adharma by them was probably larger than that of Kauravaas.

Keeping one's word may have been dharma for Kshatriyaas also. Even Gods feel obliged to keep their word. If Krishna would not break his vow not to lift an ayudha (which would have ended the war with dharma winning with loss of life of just the kaurava brothers) why fault Bhishma for keeping his vow?

And I think trying to keep to one's vow is in keeping with swadharma (one's own values) and is a noble act. The mischief of ego is not in keeping the vow but in actually making it. When a person makes a vow he thinks that the World obeys him to enable the vow to be fulfilled. It is worthwhile to recall that Bhishma also made another vow (that he will make Sri Krishna take an Ayudha in his hand) and Sri Krishna had to come to his rescue to fulfill this.

[quote]but going to Devaloka does not mean to attain salvation at all. [/quote]

I thought that death-rebirth cycle affects only Mrityuloka and residents of devaloka are beyond death and rebirth.

CRS

[sachinwadhwa]

[quote="p.mahesh"]If everything is done by his Majesty, what is relevance of Dharma and Adharma?
Why Lord Krishna introduces that illusive word “Dharma” and creates confusion among people? [/quote]

Mahesh ji, I will share my thoughts on this. God created this universe, created souls like you and me, then created this set up for it to run, Created rules of the game for us to follow. These rules are dharma which we need to follow to win (to achieve our final motto). Now relate this to the game of chess, all of us are having different roles of pawn, king, queen, etc and we are moving thinking that we are moving as per are own wish, but reality is that there is someone else who is playing the game of chess. Coming back to the real world, our movement is governed by so many different aspects which are out of our control. So there must be someone who controls everything. Even if there is chaos, it is planned chaos and has happened as per his wish.

There is one question for which I have been searching for an answer and have not found one. What was the need to create this world, create souls, and make them operate / work as per rules? What was the need of separating a soul from his original master? Anupam ji, can you please help us on this one.

[/quote] That means Kaliyuga is the creation of God Himself. Then He should be responsible for all good and bad in this Yuga.
If one thinks what is happening, Dharma looks absurd. The definition of good and bad interchanges.
But, is this way God runs this world? [/quote]

I agree with you Mahesh ji that this is his creation and he is responsible for good and bad. What we need focus is why is he running it this way? Why are we in first place? Why were we originated thousands / millions of years back?

Regarding definition of good and bad, do you remember who you were in last births, what type of karmas you did, the answer is if you have a divine eye, you will know it else no. There is equilibrium in his world, “What you sow, so shall you reap”. Today’s politicians must have done good deed and are thus enjoying benefits of it. The catch is that by enjoying benefits or doing misdeeds, they are consuming their good karmas of previous birth but are not doing enough good karmas in current birth to sustain the same status in future. Now coming to you and me, we might not have done so great karmas, which is why we are ordinary people suffering due to our current politicians. However, what we need to do is to maintain our good karmas in this birth, so that we can achieve benefits in future. Our focus should not be of enjoying materialistic benefit, but to follow the path of spirituality. Through spirituality, we can free ourselves from current birth. But if we get in to enjoying the material benefits then we will continue our endless journey of running after material world. Stand alone, thinking about your current birth, things do look absurd at times, but when a spiritual person looks in to it, he sees all your births and identifies a pattern. Then things become crystal clear. However, dharma ensures balance and equilibrium in all yugas.

[/quote]People can meditate and see past births and present one. CAN SOME ONE VISUALIZE IF ANY ONE FROM HIGHEST SPIRTUAL PLANE IS LIKELY TO LAND ON EARTH IN 2012-2014?Mahesh[/quote]

Mahesh ji,
Of course yes - People who are blessed with divine eye do visualize and share their experiences. But, the question is whether we are fortunate enough to know it in advance. God is not doing anything for the entertainment of masses or for fun. There is a specific reason to it. Only divine people know it and only when they are allowed to share they will share. For example, Anupam ji shares only that information which he is allowed to share. This holds good not only for him but for all souls who are blessed with divine eye. Regarding the timing, it will be debatable till the time things actually happen.

Coming to whether someone will descend on earth or not, when a person plays a game of chess, the game is running only because he is playing it. Similarly, HIS MAJESTY has been on this planet since inception. One of the beautiful examples you and Anupam ji had given were of the curd and planets which look different based on the medium we are using to observe it. So with a naked eye you cannot see him, but with a divine eye, he has always been here in all yugas. Only thing I would like to add is that his interaction and the style may differ from person to person.

Regards

[sachinwadhwa]

Respected Anupam ji,

1.
“There is one question for which I have been searching for an answer and have not found one. What was the need to create this world, create souls, and make them operate / work as per rules? What was the need of separating a soul from his original master? Anupam ji, can you please help us on this one.”

Can you please share why god started this creation…what is the use / Intent?

2.
“Sounding illogical no matter, but tell me does this life seem be logical for you on human plane???”

Agreed Anupam ji, I also believe that these things cannot continue for long as it is a big mess. However, as I am living on Human plane and under the influence of maya, so it is very difficult to find a solution except for praying to his majesty. That’s what I do. However, like we have discussed, I will continue to wait for the right time.

3.
“After sometime I realised that those lies about time duration was purposely done by that divine energy.”

Absolutely correct - The only question I have is why? If his majesty says that some particular event will happen in say Oct 2008, and it seems everything is going great and suddenly everything vanishes in thin air and nothing happens. One feels stumped. Why will the lord give incorrect timelines that to purposefully? This makes the spiritual person cut a sorry face in front of others. Can you please help unfold this mystery?

4.
“This is called life and evolution of soul yuga by yuga.”

Anupam ji, what is important for us to know is what transformation did the soul of Ravana underwent to be born as Bhima in Dwapara and then as spiritual person like Vivekananda??? There should be a particular nature of the soul based on Karmas. If there is no transformation, then there is no change in the nature of soul and the characteristics of Ravana’s soul would remain the same in his next birth. However, if there is influx of positive vibes in the soul (which we can say as the transformation of soul) only then he could become Bhima / Vivekananda. Please throw some light on this topic.

5.
Also, why will god bring the same set of souls again and again for end of every yuga??? He has so many souls with him but why will he carry the same group.

Regards

[lovacrs]

Maheshji,

Some of the questions that you raised and the responses that Anupamji has given set me thinking. For e.g, we have more humans today than in the past. How do we account for the increased number of souls? Also does it mean that the number of souls active on Earth has always been the same? (may remind us of entropy in Physics!).

If we extend the management concept to this, I understand GOD as a macro manager in the usual course who sets rules (the zodiac and planets are system controls that enforce these) and allows us to micro manage. For all our actions we get the reactions/results based on these rules. Whenever he encounters serious problems he rolls up his sleeves and gets into micro-management mode (incarnations).

CRS

PS: It is not my intention to reduce the discussion to a joke. But sometimes, simple analogies help me understand things better.

[sachinwadhwa]

Respected Anupam ji,

1.
“We as a soul even before coming to this earth have ego” (Excerpt from your post on the 6th page, dated 2 august)

Pardon me, if I asking the same question again. From where did the soul originated and why? If soul is part of god, why did god separate a part of him as souls and gave them ego. I do understand the journey, and how soul after getting ego reaches its ultimate master, but reason for separating the soul from the master and giving them ego is still not clear.

2.
“The woman, Sita, he abducted in Treta came as his guru's wife Sarada Maa.”
“Go more deep and think about Supernakha again. she became attracted towards Rama and in the next yuga she as Draupadi became sakhi of Sri Krishna. In the next yuga she became Meera and at last wife of Ramakrishna Paramhansa.”

Anupam ji, I am confused. So did Sita of treta yug become Sarada maa of 19th centuary or Supernakha of treta yug became Sarada maa? If Sita was not Sarada maa, where was Sita?

3.
“A world war like situation would be there undoubtedly but at the last moment someone may come and take hold of the situation to stop the catastrophe.”

You had spoken about lot of turbulence, wars between 2 religious sects, mass deaths etc. Now do you think that will not happen because lord will come and take charge?

4.
“First of all I should say Mahesh Ji Vivekananda was a free soul already. That was what told by Ramakrishna to Vivekananda in their very first meeting that he was the incarnation of Narayan Rishi and Ramakrishna was Narayan himself.”

Vivekananda was incarnation of Narayan Rishi, Vivekananda was also Ravana and Bhima. I do understand the journey of the soul from Ravana to Bhima to Vivekananda, but how did Narayan Rishi landed up as Ravana would be surprising.

Regards