it is said that nakshatras has been used for prediction in earlier times but recent times have only used planetary positions ..if the nakshatra system of prediction was so accurate, why was it not continued and used extensively ? Why would anyone want to sabotage a system that was working so perfectly if that was the case and substitute a less that perfect one ????
regards,
rose
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Dear Rosy rose,
In earlier also nakshatra was used for prediction . Prediction from Bava wont give the correct prediction always and it is very easy to predict.
It dosent mean that bava is no t useful.
Prediction along with bava and nakshatradipathi system gives almost the accurate prediction but it is difficult to predict. It requires lot of practise and logic and reasoning mind .
In earlier times/days ,they used to predict as per sloka for each placement of grahas . It is quite laborious to by -hart to all the slokas and hence recent astrologers used to predict on the basis of rashi and navamsha. The navamsha is nothing but nakshatra system.
I hope u understand
with regards
Astrology is not a Science of light, but it is the Science of life
If raj-yog graha is in 6th from lagna or with 6th lord in 6th house , it will make u free from Diseases.
I know a Dhanur lagna native who has 5th/9th lord conjunction in 6th. Chandra is in Swathi, Kuja in Rohini (Mitra) and Ravi in Mrigasira(Adhi Mitra). Shukra is in
Mithuna with Budha. He suffers a lot on health grounds. Why is this rule not working or which Dasha/Antar will it work?
Mr lovacrs
I cannot say unless i see the whole chart.
where Shani is placed ?.
Whether Shani aspects the 6th or lagna ? Which dasha is running at present ?
where is Lagnadipathi ?
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Thank you for the very prompt reply and pls do call me rose....
The navamsha is nothing but nakshatra system.
When we say vargottama it refers to bhava and not to the nk lord of the planet under consideration........if the nk lord was also taken into consideration then there wud be very less vargottama planets..how do you reconcile this with what you told as navamsha being a nk system....i think that i have not understood it in the way that you had intended.
Thank you for the very prompt reply and pls do call me rose....
The navamsha is nothing but nakshatra system.
When we say vargottama it refers to bhava and not to the nk lord of the planet under consideration........if the nk lord was also taken into consideration then there wud be very less vargottama planets..how do you reconcile this with what you told as navamsha being a nk system....i think that i have not understood it in the way that you had intended.
thanks and regards,
rose
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Vargottama means the planet is in same rashi both in rashi and navamsha chakra. It is good .
If the garha is in benefic nakshatra and in good bava , then that graha will give the very good phala
Astrology is not a Science of light, but it is the Science of life
still asking for a clarification..sorry if it is taking 2 much of ur time...
Vargottama means the planets in the same rashi in both rasi and navamsa..but i have seen that usually the nk lords of these vargottama planets are different...yet to see one with same nk lord .... so the results should be different according to what u were saying abt mixing bhava and nk system....but usually we do not take the nk lords of navamsa into consideration do we in prediction ? so my confusion arises from your statement that navamsha is nothing but a nk system........bocs the main purpose for which we use navamsha is also to map out the vargottama planets and to strengthen /lessen the outcome and this to me is a very contradictory one to what you had said earlier...
apologising again for taking up 2 much of ur time on this but pls do think of this as a gyaana bhiksha
Dear sir,
I have vrichik lagna, So my lagna lord is also lord of the 6th.
And lagna lord is in the 8th house.
I know that lagna lord in 8th is a very unfavourable however the 6th lord being in 8th is a Vipreet Raj yog.
still asking for a clarification..sorry if it is taking 2 much of ur time...
Vargottama means the planets in the same rashi in both rasi and navamsa..but i have seen that usually the nk lords of these vargottama planets are different...yet to see one with same nk lord .... so the results should be different according to what u were saying abt mixing bhava and nk system....but usually we do not take the nk lords of navamsa into consideration do we in prediction ? so my confusion arises from your statement that navamsha is nothing but a nk system........bocs the main purpose for which we use navamsha is also to map out the vargottama planets and to strengthen /lessen the outcome and this to me is a very contradictory one to what you had said earlier...
apologising again for taking up 2 much of ur time on this but pls do think of this as a gyaana bhiksha
regards
,
Dear Rosey Rose,
Suppose for example ---- Kuja is in Ashwini --1st paada,Ketu is in Vrischika rashi
When u see kuja is in ashwin -1 st paada ,u must know by -hart that ---kuja is vargottama and in ketu nakshatra.
So what is the phala ----- 1) vargottama and other is 2) ketu in uccha rashi. So u must say the phala of kuja ----mesha rashi and vrishchika rashi phala.
I hope u understand . If u r not fake ID , u may ask my phone no from Astro boy. I am available only after 5 pm every day.
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quote="nirmala"]Dear sir,
I have vrichik lagna, So my lagna lord is also lord of the 6th.
And lagna lord is in the 8th house.
I know that lagna lord in 8th is a very unfavourable however the 6th lord being in 8th is a Vipreet Raj yog.
Can you please comment on this?
Regards,
Nirmala
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Please dont say unfavourable when lagna lord is in 8th. It should be in 6,8,12 both in Rashi and Navamsha . Only then u can say that graha may not give good phala.
Regarding Viparitha raj yoga , there are some set of rules. I cannot say off the cuff. If posiible i will come back as early as possible . I know that u have been asking this many times.
Main point for this yoga is --
1) viparitha raj yoga is always good from natural malefic planets.
2) when this malefic planets yoga happens , no natural benifics should see or sambanda with this graha.
3) when this yoga happens the graha should see all dusthanas etc , etc----
Astrology is not a Science of light, but it is the Science of life
If raj-yog graha is in 6th from lagna or with 6th lord in 6th house , it will make u free from Diseases.
I know a Dhanur lagna native who has 5th/9th lord conjunction in 6th. Chandra is in Swathi, Kuja in Rohini (Mitra) and Ravi in Mrigasira(Adhi Mitra). Shukra is in
Mithuna with Budha. He suffers a lot on health grounds. Why is this rule not working or which Dasha/Antar will it work?
Mr lovacrs
I cannot say unless i see the whole chart.
where Shani is placed ?.
Whether Shani aspects the 6th or lagna ? Which dasha is running at present ?
where is Lagnadipathi ?
Whenever you find time (I feel guilty as I know you dont have much time), please see the chart. I will be grateful if you can tell me the astro reason for his health troubles. He is currently running Lord Sani's MD. But his troubles were there in Guru dasha too. Marriage is also getting delayed.
13th June 81 19 hours 45 minutes B'lore.
Please can you clarify my doubts regarding my son's chart.
My son's details are
Place Vijayawada,India
time 17.44 hrs.
Date 17/09/1996.
My doubt is according to some astrologers in his chart mercury is combust and for some it is not. please tell me about this when you have time . I know you are very busy but take your time to look into his chart.
I am worrying about his 8th house also because 5th and 8th lord mercury with sun and rahu in 8th house and aspected by Lagna lord saturn and ketu. My main concern is he is my only son and naturally I am worrying about his health in future . He is with sound health and good grasping power and intelligent , he is studying very well at present. I read your quote regarding Kumbha lagna people. My son's lagna is Kumbha.
Sorry for giving you trouble..
shani is much better in Capricorn Lagna. But at the same time he is the marakadipathi also--2nd Lord. Makara Rashi --Shani has got this after 1000 s of years penance from Lord Shiva . That is why Shani is pleased in Makara and not in Kumba, even though the kumba is moola trikona to Shani.
But in kumba he is the lord for 12 th. How can he considered as yoga karaka. ( Even tho Lagnadipathi)That is why it is said ,out if 12 lagnas ,Kumba is the most unfortunate lagna. This is very interesting , i will come back when the time comes.
regards
chinni[/quote]
Hello Srinivasa Rao garu,
I know that you are busy but still I am giving you trouble . Please look into my son's chart and clear my doubts. As a mother I am worrying mainly about his health. If time permits please look into his chart.
Hello Raoji
Sent: 10 May 2011, 20:48
From: roseyrose
To: P.Srinivas. Rao
Dear Raoji,
From the time I have joined I have asked only astrological queries,doubts etc..I have not been part of any slanging match, have not written against anyone...
I cannot keep on trying to convince you that i am not a fake id...btw what do u mean exactly by that anyways? I just want to learn astrology...nothing more..
If that does not qualify for my clarification, then i guess we 2 do not have anything further more to say to each other....
i have the highest respect for you and wish you further enlightenment in your pursuit of knowledge.
thanks and regards,
rose
Roseyrose,
Kindly go through " A Yogis horoscope " in "Others" thread. U will find the difference between Bava phala and nakshatra phala.
If that does not qualify for my clarification, then i guess we 2 do not have anything further more to say to each other
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In fact i was well prepared today to explain the difference between prediction as per Nakshatradhipathi , as uaual as per Bava, Rashi and Navamsha, and as per Yoga. Since u said " then i guess we 2 do not have anything further more to say to each other ", i feel it is useless to explain further.
I dont wish to comment on your GUESS. It is ur wish and it is ur guess and not mine .
Any how , u gave the answer , it is better, i must stop explaining further to u.
Regards.
Astrology is not a Science of light, but it is the Science of life
ur reply indicated that it was very selective reading of my email.......but i guess it is fate
one of my gurus had always told me that always believe that Dakshinamurthi is there for you and give up everything to him....so i have always given up everything in his feet....
So once again my very sadar and humble pranaams to you and wishing you the very best that life has to offer
thanks and regards,
roseroseyrose
Registered Member
Roseyrose,
Kindly dont evade from your self by disabling your PM. U wrote to my Pm, it is ur dharma to keep open ur PM also. Ur Guru has not taught u this ?
U have raised the question in the open forum, it is not fair on ur part to send ur reply to my Pm.
P.S.Rao
Astrology is not a Science of light, but it is the Science of life
It seems that it is my fate not to learn astrology..i am inclined to accept my fate in toto....
After reading what i had sent u in pm in the forum, i had just disabled everything but it is ok...i have no inclination left to learn astrology anymore...
U are a brahmin and it is in the nature of a brahmin to grant vidya after testing the aspirant..it is also in the nature of the aspirant to do the same.....
i guess we both failed miserably...
a very good day to u Raoji.....my final salute to you
It seems that it is my fate not to learn astrology..i am inclined to accept my fate in toto....
After reading what i had sent u in pm in the forum, i had just disabled everything but it is ok...i have no inclination left to learn astrology anymore...
U are a brahmin and it is in the nature of a brahmin to grant vidya after testing the aspirant..it is also in the nature of the aspirant to do the same.....
i guess we both failed miserably...
a very good day to u Raoji.....my final salute to you
thanks and regards,
rose
Roseyrose,
As i already said, it is ur wish and guess and not mine . Further, i have not failed in my answer to the subject of astrology raised by u. U have not gone through properly what i said and example i gave to u. In fact ur reply shows amply clear, that u r not interested to learn astrology, rather ur interested to show ur superiority. I am sorry--Roseyrose, not with me. Kindly go through any Post of mine , u will not find any non-sensicle vichaars. Let us have the healthy debate.
Please remember, it is very easy to raise the query and grumble when u fail to understand miserably and blame the other as if u wanted to show u r better/ brilliance by questioning the other.
Roseyrose, kindly dont bring "Brahmin-Vidya-nature of Brahmin " here in between us .U are nobody to test my Vidya .we are in astrology , let us keep the same . Please dont divert the matter. I have answered ur query and i was about to explain further even though u gave the reply in such a manner.
Ur agitation shows that my assumption is right. If u r really interested or VIDYA u would have addressed me properly and have given ur phone number, i would have explained in a better way over the phone . Ur agenda is to ASK ONLY QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS---------------!
Roseyrose, I will question u astrologically, can u answer me ?. If yes ,my question is ready
P.S.Rao
Astrology is not a Science of light, but it is the Science of life
15) If the graha in Mitra-kshetra, u will have good persons as ur friends. U r liked by all .
16) If the grahas (Paraswar) are powerful. it will lead u to happy life , always awake in ur actions , donot likes to bow-down, hand some income.
17) If the grahas in Shatru- rashi , u will have the fear of theft. U will be against to all and u may have to face court cases. Some times u may have to face fine or tax from the govt. U will be away from ur relatives and u will have to experience kashta - nashta during ur journey/travel
18) If the graha is in Adhishatru- Kshetra, u may have problems from sickness, no peace in family and hence u may have to leave ur wife and children, Ur each action will bring pain to u . U have many problems from ur enemies, some time u may have to face black -magic /prayog.
19) If any graha is near to Ravi is called as asthangatha. Here Kuja-Budha, Kuja -Guru , Kuja -Shukra, Kuja - Shani , is called as Yuddha graha. Here if any graha mentined above is defeated by KUJA and that defeated graha is Raj-yog , then the native will be always angry, stubborn, his actions may not liked by others , pain from his own actions , he himself is against to him, he will be against to his wife and childrens ,and may lead a down - trodden jeevana. Spending more, bandu dweshi, virodhi, quarrel in his work place etc, etc---.. So there is no Peace Of Mind.
Here , even if the raj-yog graha have sambandha to Kuja , shani, Rahu or Ketu, the native will have criminal mind and it may lead him to take unyay (Dushta ) maarg.He wont care any body, he will have a bad name , it may lead him to take liquor , gambling , stree- Vyamoha.
20) If any raj-yog graha is Asthangatha, there is a fear of arrest, get the bad name in his job by cheating, goonda giri, threatening. Some time the natives may be kidnapped by some one and may have to live in confinement for some time, secluded place , away from home.
21) If the raj -yog graha is neecha, the native may have to face in -curable disease and hence there may not be peace in family, pain from too much debt, no money in hand, difficult to save the property,have to face criticism from wife and childrens ,no sucess in any actions or fields and hence suffer much and think ur self to go far away from wife and childrens , one type of mental tensions .
So readers, u have now seen how the Raj- Yog graha should be , how effective, if it is not properly placed etc, etcf--.
Next Kuja +Chandra Yoga -----to be cobntinued
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Lovacars ji, Let me attempt to answer your question. I am well aware that I will not be able to do this as effectively as Rao Ji can, And I know that this question was asked to Rao Ji, and only he can do justice to it, but assuming that I have your permission to analyse this horoscope, I shall make this attempt,
Rao ji has said that if a Raja yoga graha sits in the 6th, a person will be free from diseases. AS usual, these are just simple dictums, which must be weighed against the individuals horoscope . No Raja yoga formula has been elaborated much, and it is for us, to examine the strength and then assess its results . It should be taken for granted that all rules for interpretation of yoga have to be used while arriving at a conclusion as to whether the yoga is formed, and functioning or not.
In the example you have provided, the 9th lord Ravi is conjunct with the 5th lord in the 6th. Thus we can apply the dictum as provided by Rao ji.
Let us now use some of the standard rules to interpret Raja yoga.
Raja yoga giving planets should not be tainted by a Dustana lord. Straight away we can start discounting the strength of the yoga because Kuja while being the 5th lord also happens to be the 12th.
The next rule is that the dispositor of the Rashi where the raja yoga is formed should be well placed, not aspected by a Malefic and should be in a Good Nakshatra.
We run into trouble yet again when we realize that Shukra is placed in the 7th, aspects Lagna as the 6th lord, is with the Badaka lord, is aspected by Shani and the worst of all, is in the Nakshatra of Rahu. Rahu in turn is in the 8th (Chronic diseases) .To top it, Chandra the 8th lord is in the Nakshatra of Rahu. Rahu now gains the power of the 8th lord, the 8th house and gives it to shukra. Shukra in turn delivers this power to the Lagna (6th lord + 8th house effects). The Lagna gets hammered by the 6th lord who has the influence of the 8th house, and Kuja who is in the 8th lord's Nakshatra and is also the 12th lord. Thus the Lagna gets mauled by all the three Dustana house effects. The poor Lagna cannot withstand this assault.
Sound's bad does it not? Now if you see the boy’s life, I bet he manages to recover every time he is down. I feel this is indeed because of the effects of the partial Raja yoga effects of the 6th house. Moreover, shukra is also functioning as the 11th lord (recovery from sickness) and thus allows the native to get cured, albeit for a short while.
More later,
Through hard work and spiritual practices, a person gets honor and dignity. The lazy one who puts in no efforts is like a fool who allows salt to be spilled on the wounds of his misfortunes. The idler depending only on fate, achieves nothing. - K.N.Rao ji
6th lord sambandha---- then ,it gives phala through Runa or Obligation,
8th lord samandha---then, it gives the phala after experiencing difficulties and hurdles.,
12th lord sambandha-- then, it gives the least phala.
Through hard work and spiritual practices, a person gets honor and dignity. The lazy one who puts in no efforts is like a fool who allows salt to be spilled on the wounds of his misfortunes. The idler depending only on fate, achieves nothing. - K.N.Rao ji
Ravi is the lord of the 9th and a mitra to the lagna lord . This is good
Kuja is the lord of the 5th and the 12th . Since he has the 12th lord ship kindly look at the riders given in the last post
If the Raja yoga graha has the a connection to the 12th lordship then the fruits of the Raja yoga will be erratic
Therefore what you have highlighted will not apply here since Ravi gets the association of the 12th lord
lovacrs wrote:
If raj-yog graha is in 6th from lagna or with 6th lord in 6th house , it will make u free from Diseases
also Refer to point no 18 .
18) If the above naisargik Papa graha becomes ashubha from its adhipathya, then-- -not only spoil the adhipathya phala, it spoils it's karakatwa phala also
Through hard work and spiritual practices, a person gets honor and dignity. The lazy one who puts in no efforts is like a fool who allows salt to be spilled on the wounds of his misfortunes. The idler depending only on fate, achieves nothing. - K.N.Rao ji
Namaskar. I am going through your most excellent posts on Rajayoga and I've a few questions imposing on your precious time. If the grahas creating a rajayoga are free from any malefic influence or position (totally unblemished) but is/are in bala avastha or mrita avastha - should that be treated as Rajabhanga?
If the graha is in Adhimitra kshetra, u may have problems from sickness, no peace in family and hence u may have to leave ur wife and children, Ur each action will bring pain to u . U have many problems from ur enemies, some time u may have to face black -magic /prayog.
This I did not understand at all. The H of the Atimitra is taken to be an auspicious H, so why will the position of a graha bring sickness and trouble to family happines? The Shastras can be very confusing sometimes. It would be a great help if you would kindly explain this.
regards
swamykool
It's better to rule in hell than to serve in heaven.
18) If the graha is in Adhimitra kshetra, u may have problems from sickness, no peace in family and hence u may have to leave ur wife and children, Ur each action will bring pain to u . U have many problems from ur enemies, some time u may have to face black -magic /prayog.
I nearly fell off my chair . Sir, It should read, Adhi Shatru Kshetra , Not Adhi Mitra Kshetra. I just clarified . He will edit it when he gets back to his comp .
Best regard's
Through hard work and spiritual practices, a person gets honor and dignity. The lazy one who puts in no efforts is like a fool who allows salt to be spilled on the wounds of his misfortunes. The idler depending only on fate, achieves nothing. - K.N.Rao ji
Me too nearly choked on my coffee. Now it is cleared. Btw, what happened to the Nakshatra thread? Its stuck at Magha. Have the others gone fishing?? I am actually waiting for my own Lg Nk - Swati.
regards
swamykool
It's better to rule in hell than to serve in heaven.
