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Abbey wrote:does someone with ketu in 3rd house and rahu in the 9th house still feel effects of kala Sara without the planets being in a chain or between rahu and katu how is the effect different? I have that position of katu 3rd and rahu in 9. Saturn in the 10th..jup 5 house ve 7 house moon sun mars murcury 8th house, don't think qualifies as a kala Sarpa but I am interested in the effects of ketu and rahu in this position. thank you

What effects are you facing? Do you mind sharing your birth details or just paste the longitude details of your natal chart?
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Prakruthi Jee

Trust you will get sometime to examine the charts with KSY i provided. Want to help them. They are going through stress.
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Namashkar Jolli ji,
Can you comment about these charts, i posted some time back. But did not got any responses.
Before, I share my views on these charts, I will let you know the method I follow to check KSY. Please keep in mind that it is my understanding and if there is anything wrong, I would love to hear corrections from other learned members here. Also, I am still not completely convinced regarding the existence of this yoga and I am researching on it. However, until I am done with my research, I will go with the definitions of this yoga as explained by astroboy to judge any horoscope.

1) Rahu is the head of the snake and Ketu is the tail of the snake.
2) The planets have a direct motion(Except the retro ones) and the nodes have a retro motion always. I use south indian chart and hence the planets move in clock-wise direction and the nodes in anti-clockwise direction.
3) All the planets, should be between the nodes.
4) If there is a planet in conjunction with Rahu and/or Ketu, check for the degrees and make a decision on that basis. If the planet is 1° ahead of the node, then it is outside the clutch of the node and hence no KSY. Pay attention to the motion of the planet and the node here before making the decision.
5) If all the planets are waiting to be swallowed by Rahu, in other words if the planets are moving towards Rahu, it is anuloma type of KSY. Even if one planet is already swallowed by Rahu, then there is no KSY.
6) If all the planets are already in the belly of the snake and are waiting to be liberated by Ketu by moving towards Ketu, it is Viloma type. Even if one planet is yet to be swallowed by Rahu, then there is no KSY.


I spread the 12 zodiac signs linearly and work with the planets and node placements. If a planet is conjunct with a node, I take it as the house of interest for studying the degrees.

Here I have demonstrated in the following figures for the two charts that you have provided.


(1) 20 July 1976,8 40 Am Nowgong MP India
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(2) 01 Aug 1982, 2 10 Pm, Dehradun (This one is suspected KSY)
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Other thing i have observed is (not proven yet.collecting data)
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(1) KSY is found mostly in female natives. or female natives with KSY get noticed more
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Not necessarily. May be the girl's horoscope is scrutinized more before marriage and it could also be that you have a lot of female friends/clients. KSY is gender independent.

(2) Moon being fastest planet escapes Rahu-Ketu axis first, normally. Normaly KSY has Moon-Ketu combination.
Again, not necessarily. Conjunction with the moon is not a mandatory condition. Infact, the best and easily detectable KSY is when the nodes are alone without any conjunction and all planets hemmed between them. Example, Astroboy's, chart.

Regarding, Eclipses, see my next post!

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Namashkar Jolli ji,

I was under the impression Ketu is the mathematical point where Lunar eclips happens. However have checked at NASA sight for Lunar Eclips date, time n place. It has not shown any lunar eclipse happening on DOB of various natives. i am confused.


In my understanding, ecllipse has nothing to do with KSY. There could be possibilities for KSY to happen on an eclipse day, but it is not a mandatory condition. Lunar ecllipse on an astrological chart can be detected when the sun and the moon are in direct opposition(Poornima). That is when the sun and the moon have a mutual 7-7 aspect, Moon is in conjunction with ketu and Sun is in conjunction with Rahu. The most important part is Sun in conjunction with Rahu within 5°and the moon in conjunction within 5° with kethu.

Solar ecllipse on the other hand happens when the sun and the moon are in conjunction(Amavasya), joined by kethu in the same bhava in a very close conjunction degree


Check these examples on your own!
1) Full Solar Eclipse 2009 : 22nd, July 2009 at 8:06:25 hrs(peak point), Varanasi, India 83 E 00", 25' N 20' , GMT +5.30
2) Full Lunar Eclipse 2010 : 21st, Dec 2010 at 03:17 hrs in New York, USA. 74W00'23, 40N42'51", GMT-5.00
3) Full Lunar Eclipse 2011: 10th Dec 2011 at 20:01:50 hrs in New Delhi, India. 77E13', 28N40' GMT +5.30

Hope this helps! I am still learning and I could be wrong and if there are any corrections from other learned members, I would appreciate it.

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Namashkar Desai ji,

I do not think you have KSY/KAY. Rahu is in conjunction with Saturn who is also in a retrograde motion. Both Rahu and Saturn enter capricorn at 29°59'59". Rahu ends at 17°27' , whereas retrograde Saturn travels further and ends at 1°28'. Saturn has managed to come out of Rahu's mouth. Also your ascendant is clearly outside. Therefore it is my opinion that you DO NOT have KSY/KAY. Confirm my views with astroboy and other learned astrologers here!

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Dear sir

thank you for your analysis
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Namashkar Desai ji,

You are welcome and for your information, I am not a madam. I am a male.

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oops. rectified
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Thanks Prakruthi

For taking look at the charts. Do you suggest any steps they can take to make their life better. Both are un married and actually late by society standards. Professionally also not very good jobs so kind of dependent on famlies
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Jolli ji,

You are welcome. I am not an expert in detailed chart analysis and remedies and therefore I am sorry I could not help you with your queries. please contact Sri. Ramanan or shilpa ji or anuradha ji for detailed analysis and remedies.

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ok sir thanks
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Dear Astroboy and others,

Is Rahu and Ketu are considered for Naabhasa Sarpa yoga (More than 3 malefics in kendras)?. Astroboy avare swalpa uttara kodthira. JHora actually includes Rahu and Ketu, but some ppl say Rahu and Ketu are not included.

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naga1974 wrote: Is Rahu and Ketu are considered for Naabhasa Sarpa yoga (More than 3 malefics in kendras)?.
Namashkar Naga ji,

I am not as knowledgeable as Astroboy ji, but I do remember and have an article that I read about Nabhasha yogas. Nabhasha yogas are formed only with 7 planets taken into consideration and Rahu and Ketu DO NOT take part in Nabasha yoga.

Before we try to understand about the different types of Nabhasha yogas, firstly it is very important to understand certain rules before considering Nabhasha yogas. I am quoting what I read in that article here.
The following points are very important and should always be kept in mind while considering Nabhasa Yogas:

1. All the seven planets-Sun, Moon, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn take part in these Yogas. Any Yoga, which considers less than seven planets or also includes Rahu and Ketu, will not generally be considered in the category of Nabhasa Yoga.

2. Nabhasa Yogas basically recognize three groups of signs moveable, Fixed and dual. The signs of a particular group always fall in angular Houses from each other. The emphasis is not placed on the signs of exaltation, mooltrikona etc. of the planets. This is on account of the fact that Nabhasa Yogas indicate basic traits of personality i.e. the feelings, emotions and thoughts generated in the subtle body (linga Sareera) on account of one’s sanchit karmas. The other Yoga tries to amend or mould these traits.

3. Similarly Parasara gives importance to angular houses and the Graha Mallika Yogas. All indications of the subtle body manifest in the Gross body, through the actions of individuals. This makes the angular houses most important. Furthermore, the angular houses are greatly influenced by the planets, which are placed in their adjacent houses. This is the principal that makes the Graha Mallika Yogas very important and effective.

4. The Sun and the Moon operate on the level of creative Principle. They cannot be branded either Malefic or Benefic while considering Nabhasa Yogas. The Sun will act as Malefic or Benefic if it is conjoined with Malefics or Benefics respectively. The Sun, when placed alone in a house, will act as krura (a mild malefic) as Atman-the Soul is neither enemy nor friend of the Jeeva. The Moon is the cosmic and pure Mother and, as such, will act as benefic; the principle of waxing or waning Moon does not apply while considering Nabhasa Yogas.

5. Jupiter, Mercury and Venus will act as benefic, and Mars and Saturn will act as malefic.

6. Lordships of planets, their combustion, interplanetary war etc are also not considered in Nabhasa Yogas.

7. The above observations may be explained in another manner. The natural signification of planets, signs and also houses do not change but the same manifest with the help of other Yoga’s or placement of planets in certain houses or signs. Similarly, Nabhasa Yogas indicate the natural traits of the personality of an individual and these never change. These traits manifest in the life of an individual with the help or superimposition of other Yogas. This is an important point, which should not be lost sight of.
The Nabhasha yogas are mainly 32 in number, divided into 4 categories.
1) 3 Asharya yogas
2) 2 Dala Yogas
3) 20 Akriti yogas
4) 7 Sankhya yogas

Dala yogas are defined based on the nature of the planets that occupy the kendras. They are
Maala or Srik yoga (benefics occupy the kendras)
SARPA (Malefics occupy the kendras)
If all the malefics occupy three angular houses and the benefics are placed in houses other than the angular ones, Sarpa Yoga is formed.

The native born in Sarpa Yoga (Also known as Bhujang yoga) will be a crook, cruel, endowed with self-inflicted poverty, always surrounded with miseries of all kinds, and always looking to enjoy others' food and drink.

Such Yogas are rarely formed. There are only two malefics Saturn and Mars. When Saturn and Mars are in an angular position and the third angle is joined by Sun sitting alone(not in conjunct with benefics).
There is another Sarpa yoga that occurs commonly in horoscopes when Rahu or Ketu is located in the 4th or 10th house. Thought it will yield adverse results, it does not belong to the category of Nabhasha yoga.

For complete information on Nabhasha yogas, I will recommend you to read this entire pdf article. More specifically from page 836.

http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/fil ... ogasBW.pdf

Hope this helps.

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Prakruthi

PS:: I apologize for posting this answer in this thread that is dedicated to KSY and KAY
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thanks for information in our society many person face kal sarp yog dosh nd i think its useful for me
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