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R V RAMANAN wrote:Dear chaks,
If all you want is an untainted Moon, then you have to wait for a few years. In that time you, me and Deepak will have untainted Moons not in our chart but on top of our head. It will not only be not tainted but may even shine like a resplendant Sun.

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Ramanan sir,
What is this amazing thing? :)
A small joke: Some one asked how do you know when the moon is going broke?
''When it's down to its last quarter''.

Dear Astroboy,
Apollo-gies for encroaching your moon thread, Can you please say a few words or present some studies about borderline between Genius and Madness? Switching between Sanity and and Insanity like De Niro in 'Taxi Driver', where the Moon is damaged but still there is some control to display normal behaviour..
Or May be this one?

John Forbes Nash Jr.
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I think he needs no introduction! :)

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I am not going very deep into any analysis . Just note the condition of the Moon here . Moon is in Vishaka Nakshatra . I have already explained the ill effects of this nakshatra before . Now add Rahu to the Show . Rahu is in Kuja's Nakshatra, aspected by Shani who is debilitated and Retrograde . This aspect is deadly because it's within 3 degrees of each other . Now bring in Budha . Budha is in Shani's Nakshatra . Need I say more ?? The Rahu moon combination , all other factors being equal can be deadly . I have show this right here . Read David's personal life and you be the judge . The fact that Lagna and Kuja are both in Satabhisha Nakshatra , and that Rahu is debilitated in the Navamsha is proof that when Budha , Lagna , and Chandra come into contact with Maandi/Gulika/ Shani/Rahu /Ketu and Kuja in Bad Nakshatras , there will be a deviation from normal behaviour .

" A simple affliction of the moon alone may not produce Lunacy . For this , Both Budha and Chandra should be afflicted or adversely placed in the horoscope. the Moon + Chandra constiute the thinking mind and if one of them is adversely placed the person will be mentally weak . When the mind is weak , it lets the malefics dictate terms to the Mind and the result is there for all of us to see . .


It is indeed a matter of Regret that a astrologer pays more attention to the brighter side of a horoscope while neglecting the "negative" side or rather the "Darker" side completely . It's another big regret that the querist also does not want to know their bad periods . One should know the worst part of it first , so that they can prepare to meet all exigencies .

One of the reasons astrology has a bad name today is because astrologers are always hell bent on sugar coating events , so that their client can be satisfied and happy . This is nothing but the astrologers attempt to delude the querist from knowing the truth . Its when reality strikes that the client realises that the astrologer was lying , and in the end , astrology is given the stick , and a bad name . I hope all of us will rise above this trend and start analysing a horoscope for what it really is .

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Digits of Time , Good day to you .

Note the strong Buddhmaturya yoga . The 5th house lord, as a benefic, is aspected by a benefic or is placed in a benefic sign (Sarvartha Chintamani 5/32). Then
The person is of great intelligence and character.

One point I want to make , Rahu is know to have a extreme mind . He is responsible for cutting edge research in many fields . Note that Budha is in Rahu's Nakshatra . Rahu is exalted . Budha is in a Badra Mahapurusha Yoga . Budha scores a stratospheric Shad bala of 10.2 in Rupas and does outstandingly in the Astakavarga too . The spoils sport here is Kuja who is in extremely close conjunction to the Moon . Kuja being the 6th lord gave him his mental trouble . Note his mental sickness started in Ravi Dasha . Ravi is the lord of the 3rd . The 3rd house represents "mental Strength". Ravi is in kuja's Nakshatra . ( One more point , Budha should not be in Chandra's nakshatra , and Chandra should not be in Budha's Nakshatra . I dont know why , But it gives adverse results . ) Note chandra has just stept into a Gandanta point .

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Dear Abhijit muhurta,

there is an old saying and i dont know who said it.

a man going bald at the back is a thinker.and the one going bald in front is sexy.if the bald in the front meets the baldness at the back then he thinks he is sexy

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Deepak ji,
One should know the worst part of it first , so that they can prepare to meet all exigencies .
This requires a strong mind. It essentially means they have the ability to "take charge" even if they may be looking to others to guide them on right direction.
I would probably think that those who have it may never seek astro solutions. I think a bit of "sugar coating" will do good for natives whose lives are really well below "average" (in respect of whatever they think they are troubled by).
On the other hand the bitter pill may be the right thing for natives whose lives are well above "average" but are still driven by greed to seek astro solutions. I think even these people are genuinely feeling troubled. But greed being self-feeding fire, encouraging it will push them into more trouble.
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if the bald in the front meets the baldness at the back then he thinks he is sexy
I am getting there sir . :roll: :roll:
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Lovcrs ji , I am in agreement with you fully . Well written . You are 100 pct right .
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crsji,

There is also a belief that one should never give a negative prediction. Vak Siddhi of an astrologer can make it happen even if it could be avoided. Optimism should always be encouraged even in life threatening situations where there is no mortal hope. There is always a chance Lord giving you one more chance. There is always a chance that heartfelt remedies burn your sins and give you one more attempt to live a pious life.

Maa Sarawati sits on the tongue of the daivagnya at will. On negative assesment, without any sugar/salt coating, remedies must be prescribed and the native be foretold of negative period ahead, with the advice that Lord can turn it around if the remedies are adhered to seriously.

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astroboy wrote:
if the bald in the front meets the baldness at the back then he thinks he is sexy
I am getting there sir . :roll: :roll:
What is the problem when there is going to be a resplendent moon above your head Astroboy ji?
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Re moon in purvabhadra nakshatra,

This nakshatra also gives a career in banking in modern world. This is from personal research from an eminent astrologer. maybe there are other factors in the horoscope that support this.
Person I know who is a banker has Sagittarius lagna with moon in 3rd H in purvabhadra. Jupiter and mars aspect moon. He is successful and a great person.
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astrosonu wrote:crsji,

There is also a belief that one should never give a negative prediction. Vak Siddhi of an astrologer can make it happen even if it could be avoided. Optimism should always be encouraged even in life threatening situations where there is no mortal hope. There is always a chance Lord giving you one more chance. There is always a chance that heartfelt remedies burn your sins and give you one more attempt to live a pious life.

Maa Sarawati sits on the tongue of the daivagnya at will. On negative assesment, without any sugar/salt coating, remedies must be prescribed and the native be foretold of negative period ahead, with the advice that Lord can turn it around if the remedies are adhered to seriously.

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sonu
My thoughts exactly.
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Sonu ji,
Maa Sarawati sits on the tongue of the daivagnya at will.
"Maa Saraswati sits on my tongue - what I say will become true"

and

"I am ordained by Maa Saraswati to help the native - If I fail I am letting her down"

are mindsets that are world apart.

I also believe that it is impossible that only bad things happen in a given period. If the astrologer is able to give a positive prognosis without an end date he will, in effect, create the eternal spring of hope :D
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Maa Sarawati sits on the tongue of the daivagnya at will.
"Maa Saraswati sits on my tongue - what I say will become true"

and

"I am ordained by Maa Saraswati to help the native - If I fail I am letting her down"
Sir Neither of your two quotes are valid, because there is "I" involved here. An astrologer is subservient to Maa Saraswati and not vice versa. What I mentioned was Maa Saraswati's will NOT the astrologer's.

So, while keeping in mind the prediction (negative OR Positive), the astrologer must always remember, he is nothing. It is deva anugraha that has pushed the native for the query and it is Deva Ashirvad that is pushing the astrologer for the result. Once the astrologer treats himself merely the medium, these thoughts shall not come to the fore.
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I want to end this thread with a final example .

Aileen Wuornos
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Well said Sonuji,

This is the first and foremost thing an astrologer should learn.


(and i can tell that you have learnt it well. :D )
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Aillen Wuornos was born Aileen Carol Pittman in Rochester, Michigan. Her mother, Diane Pratt, married one Leo Dale Pittman when she was 15 years old. He was a child molester who spent most of his life in and out of prison before being strangled in jail in 1969. When Pratt filed for divorce after less than two years of marriage, she was given custody of Aileen and her one-year-older brother, Keith. In 1960, she abandoned them and left them in the care of their maternal grandparents. During her adolesence years, Aileen had several sex partners, including her brother. She later grew up a petty criminal and prostitute and was arrested for, among other things, drunk driving, disorderly conduct, firing a .22 gun from a vehicle, assault, armed robbery, grand theft auto and was also suspected of stealing a revolver with ammo. In 1976, she hitchhiked to Florida, where she lived the rest of her life. In 1986, she met Tyria Moore, a hotel maid, at a Daytona gay bar and later moved in with her, supporting them with earnings from her prostitution.

On November 30, 1989, Wuornos commited her first murder and killed six more times over the course of a year. She was arrested on January 9, 1991 ás a result of her being seen with Moore inside victim Peter Siems' car and her palm print was found on the interior. Also, the invstigators found some of the victims' possesions in various pawnshops with Wuornos' fingerprints on them. Moore, having been tracked down in Pennsylvania, where she had been living with her sister, agreed to get a confession from her in exchange for prosecutional immunity. During the trial, she claimed all of her victims were killed in self-defense when they tried to rape her. She was sentenced to death for six of the murders, the exception being her killing Peter Siems, as his body was never found. On October 9, 2002, Wuornos was executed by means of lethal injection. Her last words were "Yes, I would just like to say I'm sailing with the rock, and I'll be back, like Independence Day with Jesus. June 6, like the movie. Big mother ship and all, I'll be back, I'll be back."


Wuornos' appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court was denied in 1996. In 2001, she announced that she would not issue any further appeals against her death sentence. She petitioned the Florida Supreme Court for the right to fire her legal counsel and stop all appeals, saying, "I killed those men, robbed them as cold as ice. And I'd do it again, too. There's no chance in keeping me alive or anything, because I'd kill again. I have hate crawling through my system...I am so sick of hearing this 'she's crazy' stuff. I've been evaluated so many times. I'm competent, sane, and I'm trying to tell the truth. I'm one who seriously hates human life and would kill again." A defense attorney argued that she was in no state for them to honor such a request.

Florida Governor Jeb Bush instructed three psychiatrists to give Wuornos a 15-minute interview. The test for competency requires the psychiatrist(s) to be convinced that the condemned person understands that she will die and for which crime(s) she is being executed. All three judged her mentally fit to be executed.

Wuornos later started accusing the prison matrons of abusing her. She accused them of tainting her food, spitting on it, serving her potatoes cooked in dirt, and her food arriving with urine. She also claimed overhearing conversations about "trying to get me so pushed over the brink by them I'd wind up committing suicide before the [execution]" and "wishing to rape me before execution." She also complained of strip searches, being handcuffed so tightly that her wrists bruised any time she left her cell, door kicking, frequent window checks by matrons, low water pressure, mildew on her mattress and "cat calling ... in distaste and a pure hatred towards me." Wuornos threatened to boycott showers and food trays when specific officers were on duty. "In the meantime, my stomach's growling away and I'm taking showers through the sink of my cell."

Her attorney stated that "Ms. Wuornos really just wants to have proper treatment, humane treatment until the day she's executed," and "If the allegations don't have any truth to them, she's clearly delusional. She believes what she's written".

During the final stages of the appeal process she gave a series of interviews to Broomfield. In her final interview shortly before her execution she claimed that her mind was being controlled by "sonic pressure" to make her appear crazy and described her impending death as being taken away by angels on a space ship. Wuornos said to Broomfield, "You sabotaged my rose society, and the cops, and the system. A raped woman got executed, and was used for books and movies and frack." Her final words in the on-camera interview were "Thanks a lot, society, for railroading my rose." Broomfield later met Dawn Botkins, a childhood friend of Wuornos', who told him, "She's sorry, Nick. She didn't give you the finger. She gave the media the finger, and then the attorneys the finger. And she knew if she said much more, it could make a difference on her execution tomorrow, so she just decided not to .


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFBcjII3QAE watch her interview one day before her execution .
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lovacrs wrote:I also believe that it is impossible that only bad things happen in a given period. If the astrologer is able to give a positive prognosis without an end date he will, in effect, create the eternal spring of hope :D
CRS,

I completely agree with you that a planetary period how negative it maybe in a birth chart will not just give only negative results. It will definitely give some positive results too, and it is the duty of an astrologer to highlight the positives in a chart and not just the negatives there. 'Hope' is the other name of life, and taking away that hope from the person, by giving him negative predictions is a crime.

I will just like to share something from K.N. Rao's book, 'Yogis, Destiny and The Wheel of Time', which is relevant to this point.

Mr. K.N. Rao, the author of the book, writes there that he was staying in his Guruji's ashram at that time. A family had come to get some prediction for a young boy from his Guruji. Mr. Rao was asked to prepare the chart by his Guruji, and so, the family came to him to get him prepare the chart so that his Guruji can analyze it. Mr. Rao prepared the chart, and the family asked him what he had to say from the chart. He initially refused to make a prediction as his Guruji had asked him only to cast the chart, but on the insistence of the family said that as per the chart the boy was going through a very bad period. The family got the hint that something very negative was there for the boy and went to Mr. Rao's Guruji. After sometime Mr. Rao was called by his Guruji and asked what he had predicted? When he said that he had predicted a very dangerous period, his Guruji said in front of the family that he was wrong, that the boy was going to be fine, and it was not a bad period at all. Mr. Rao was surprised. He went back to his room, and he analyzed the chart once more, and then, later on again, and again, but he couldn't find any ray of hope in the chart for the boy as he was running a maraka period, which could be death inflicting. He got to hear also that the boy was suffering from cancer in the eyes, in the meantime, but his Guruji had predicted that the boy would be fine! Some days passed, and the family came again, and this time, they were angry with his Guruji and said that the doctors had given up hope, and he had given them false hope. Mr. Rao was called again to the room, and the family was said that Mr. Rao was right, that the period indeed was a fatal one for the boy, and there was no hope of his survival. Then Mr. Rao's Guruji told him that one should never give a negative prediction bluntly, but should always sugar coat it because a person is never strong enough to face the truth. He said that if negative prediction is given, then a curse falls on the astrologer, and so one should never give negative prediction. Mr. Rao said that he had learned a very important lesson that day from his Guruji.
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Look at the horoscope closely . Concentrate on the moon and Budha . Budha is in Chandra's nakshatra while chandra is in Rahu's Nakshatra . But look at where Rahu is . He is debilitated , in Budha's Nakshtra along with Shani the 4th lord. To make matters worse , Ketu who is debilitated is in Chandra's Nakshatra . Kuja's placement in Ketu's nakshatra is a icing on the cake . Its in the Navamsha that You know the extent of damage to the Moon . Note the aspect of Shani on Budha . Mandi's placement with Budha does not help matters . She had a Violent temper which was beyond control despite Guru's aspect on Kuja . Guru is in Ketu's Nakshatra in a Gandanta's degree . Shani's aspect om Guru robbed Guru's power completely . Shani Dasha Gave her hell . Its not suprising that she was executed in Shani Bukthi, Rahu AD. Shani as the 4th lord and the 5th house of Intelect gave her a mental deficiency .

Shani has to be looked closely for Tula lagna people as far as mental health is concerned . Shani is the lord of the 4th and 5th , and any Taint to him is bound to affect the mental health of Tula lagna people . Note that Moon and Budha have to be also taken into consideration .
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Conclusion :

The Prevalance Rate for schizophrenia is approximately 1.1% of the population over the age of 18 (source: NIMH) or, in other words, at any one time as many as 51 million people worldwide suffer from schizophrenia, including;

6 to 12 million people in China (a rough estimate based on the population)
4.3 to 8.7 million people in India (a rough estimate based on the population)
2.2 million people in USA
285,000 people in Australia
Over 280,000 people in Canada
Over 250,000 diagnosed cases in Britain


It is estimated that 5-10% of the population at any given time is suffering from identifiable depression needing psychiatric or psychosocial intervention. The life-time risk of developing depression is 10-20% in females and slightly less in males. (WHO)

•Recent statistics suggest roughly seven of every one hundred people suffer depression after age 18 at some point in their lives.
•As many as one in 33 children and one in eight adolescents have clinical depression. Suicide is the third leading cause of death for ages 10 to 24.
•Most people diagnosed with major depression receive a diagnosis between their late twenties to mid-thirties.
•About six million people are affected by late life depression, but only 10% ever receive treatment.
•For every one man that develops depression, two women will, regardless of racial or ethnic background or economic status.
•More than half of all people caring for an older relative show clinically significant depressive symptoms.
•By the year 2020, depression will be the 2nd most common health problem in the world



It is very clear to see How the position of the Moon and Budha in a persons chart , including the 4th and the 5th house have a bearing on mental health . The fact that the Moon is the fastest moving planet , and is easily Tainted by afflictions is the prime reason for so many people falling mentally sick today . I have proved with numerious cases that all Raja Yogas fail when the Moon and Budha are afflicted .

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Every person afflicted by Mental illness has a jewel hidden inside . Its just that we cannot understand their plight . I dedicate this song to all the people who are tormented by their Mental demons . May The merciful lord grant you peace in your most difficult times .



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Look at the horoscope closely . Concentrate on the moon and Budha . Budha is in Chandra's nakshatra while chandra is in Rahu's Nakshatra . But look at where Rahu is . He is debilitated , in Budha's Nakshtra along with Shani the 4th lord. To make matters worse , Ketu who is debilitated is in Chandra's Nakshatra . Kuja's placement in Ketu's nakshatra is a icing on the cake . Its in the Navamsha that You know the extent of damage to the Moon . Note the aspect of Shani on Budha . Mandi's placement with Budha does not help matters . She had a Violent temper which was beyond control despite Guru's aspect on Kuja . Guru is in Ketu's Nakshatra in a Gandanta's degree . Shani's aspect om Guru robbed Guru's power completely . Shani Dasha Gave her hell . Its not suprising that she was executed in Shani Bukthi, Rahu AD. Shani as the 4th lord and the 5th house of Intelect gave her a mental deficiency .

Shani has to be looked closely for Tula lagna people as far as mental health is concerned . Shani is the lord of the 4th and 5th , and any Taint to him is bound to affect the mental health of Tula lagna people . Note that Moon and Budha have to be also taken into consideration .
Please seek as many opinions as you can from other learned member's on the forum as I might be completely wrong with the Analysis.
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Sir, Moon is in the nakshtra of Jupiter[ 6L]. 4L is in Scorpio sign with Rahu, in Anuradha is the cause of this, moreover aspect of Saturn on 4H and Mercury. As per J.B If Mercury in Capricorn is aspected by Saturn the native is devoid of happiness, involved in sinful deeds,devoid of wealth,wretched and lives in the company of base persons.In navmansha 4H has Rahu, 8L Venus and 11L Sun[6th from 6th] and 4L Saturn has gone to 12H. Moon has just entered the water sign Cancer, and aspected by Mars both in D-1 And D-9,is the reason. regards
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Sonu ji,
Sir Neither of your two quotes are valid, because there is "I" involved here. An astrologer is subservient to Maa Saraswati and not vice versa.
This statement is true if one were to discount free will. While in Sathya the astrologer may be a non-believer in free-will his/her arudha should show him up as a believer in free will to enable him to help the native, make him believe that the problem can indeed be solved with remedial action. :D

I dont want this thread to be hijacked by yet another fate/free-will debate. All that I am saying is try and find out the smallest good thing that may happen and use it to allay the fears of the native.
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lovacrs wrote: All that I am saying is try and find out the smallest good thing that may happen and use it to allay the fears of the native.
That is certainly a very good quality of an astrologer. I agree with you completely on this. :)
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lovacrs wrote: All that I am saying is try and find out the smallest good thing that may happen and use it to allay the fears of the native.
Very well said, CRS.
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Thanks Basab, Sonuji
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