NEECHA BHANGA RAJA YOGA

[moody]

hi

1/october/1993 alexandria egypt 8:45 pm no dst

1-navamsa venus in virgo debiliated conjunct exaltation lord jupiter(vargottama)

2- venus debilitation lord mercury in saggittarius (parivartana with jupiter)

I heard from astrologers that a planet in parivartana acts as if its in its own sign involved in parivartana.

This means that Jupiter and Mercury are very strong which means neecha bhanga of venus.

What do you think of this and what is the strength of venus (is it debiliated ?)

Thank you

[moody]

some people say that neecha bhanga is only achieved when debiliation lord and exaltation lords are in a kendra from moon or lagna.


But I think that DEBILIATED PLANET IN RELATIONSHIP WITH ITS DEBILIATION AND EXALTATION LORDS IS BETTER SPECIALLY IF THEY


ARE VERY STRONG.

[moody]

if anyone has a different opinion please post that .

[anxious2711]

Your argument is sound to me, but my understanding is that Neecha bhanga is only applicable in D1 and not in the other vargas. They say debilitation in Navamsha is final.

[Dev]

I strongly feel that neecha bhanga raja yoga and other yogas including vipareeta raja yoga are applicable to divisional charts as well.
Also neecha bhanga can be achieved by other methods as well apart from the debiliation lord and exaltation lords being in a kendra from moon or lagna. Even when the dispositor of debilitated lord is exalted at other positions than in kendra, it means neecha bhanga raja yoga but then may be it may diminish to simply a neecha bhanga depending on strength of the yoga.


Dev

[rakeshramesh]

i have venus debelitated in rasi in 12 house in vigro .....but i have jupiter (the lord of the sign where venus is exalted) in kendra to moon ..so do i have neecha bhanga raja yoga ????but i have exalted venus in navamsa

[Dev]

yes

Dev

[Dev]

yes

[Dev]

Hi Manish:

NBRY means first neecha then bhanga and then raja yoga, so neecha period will be bad, bhanga average and then raja yoga excellent. So dont think whole period will give rajayoga. Anyway your friend helped at right time only because of the neecha bhanga.

Dev

[birthtimes]

I am curious about the comment above in this post that suggests that Neecha Bhanga Raja Yoga "shows results after 33 years of age." Would you please cite your source of information upon this declaration?

The Neecha Bhanga Raja Yoga of both Ringo Starr and John Lennon of the Beatles kicked in way before age 33...

[subramanianp]

I strongly feel that neecha bhanga raja yoga and other yogas including vipareeta raja yoga are applicable to divisional charts as well.


Dev

Dear Dev
Will you please mention in which book you read this.
To the best of my knowledge all yogas (good or bad) are to be seen in the rasi chart only.

[Dev]

Dear Subramanian:

Firstly I read it long back and dont remember the name of the book but only the contents.
Secondly, Jhora also talks of all yogas in every divisional chart. If it were untrue, why should all these be listed.
Thirdly, I checked with the horoscopes of some of my relatives and found in some of those cases that though there were debilitated planets in navamsa, they did not correspond at all to the characteristics of the person.
For eg, a lady with debilitated venus had no qualities of those.

Anyway you can have your own views. The view as above is mine based on my checking those with horoscopes of some of my relatives. Of course, they are there in the JHora and also I read in some books somewhere.

So finally I would say you are free to have your own views and dont have to agree with me.
Dev

[astroboy]

Dev ji, Good day to you,

In my opinion, if aspects are to be considered in the D charts, then why should we not consider Yogas in D charts too ? P.V.N.R. Ji says that yogas in the D charts can be considered. For example, a Budha adithya yoga in the 9th house or the 5th house of the D 24 chart is a welcome combination.

B.T.W., I needed your permission to use your chart to illustrate Kala Sarpa Yoga. Can I please use your data on the Kaala Sarpa Yoga thread ?

Best regards,

[Dev]

Thanks Astroboy for the nice explanation.

OK, you can use my chart for illustrating kala sarpa yoga.
Permission granted without any precondions.

Dev

[astroboy]

Thank you sir, Very nice of you.

[astroKid_84]

I strongly feel that neecha bhanga raja yoga and other yogas including vipareeta raja yoga are applicable to divisional charts as well. Dev

Dear Dev,

How about the below case (my own chart in D9):

In D9, if we have: Cancer Lagna, Sun in Libra (neecha), Saturn in aries (neecha), Venus in Pisces (exalted in 10th kendra from moon), would either Sun and/or Saturn attain NB and/or NBRY?

MY own understanding of this situation:

1. neecha planets mutually aspect one another.
2. both neecha planets in kendra from D9 lagna
3. planet that gets exalted in neecha sign is in kendra from D9 lagna.
4. lord of Saturn's exaltation sign (or lord of Sun's sign where neecha is happening) Venus is exalted in kendra from moon.

Kind Regards.

AstroKid_84

[Dev]

Hi Astrokid,

I feel that your sun could attain neecha bhanga raja yoga since venus is exalted in kendra from moon.
About saturn, it could also get neecha bhanga raja yoga since the lord where it would be exalted is in kendra from lagna or moon..
I feel neecha planets mutually aspect one another is not good.
both neecha planets in kendra from D9 lagna can cause raja yoga only if their house lord is in kendra from Lagna or moon or is exalted.
planet that gets exalted in neecha sign is in kendra from D9 lagna may get neecha bhanga but raja yoga will be there only when the planet causing neecha bhanga is in kendra from moon/ Lagna
lord of Saturn's exaltation sign (or lord of Sun's sign where neecha is happening) Venus is exalted in kendra from moon so cause neecha bhanga raja yoga for sun as well as saturn

So how have sun/ saturn dasas/ bhuktis been for u? Did they cause neecha effect and then a raja yoga later on?
Anyway you seem to know quite a bit of astrology and so u are no more a kid of astrology.

Dev

[astroKid_84]

Hi Astrokid,

.....
lord of Saturn's exaltation sign (or lord of Sun's sign where neecha is happening) Venus is exalted in kendra from moon so cause neecha bhanga raja yoga for sun as well as saturn

So how have sun/ saturn dasas/ bhuktis been for u? Did they cause neecha effect and then a raja yoga later on?
Anyway you seem to know quite a bit of astrology and so u are no more a kid of astrology.

Dev

Dear Dev,

Thank you for your response. I am currently running Sun-Ketu (if we use 365 days, Sun-Venus will start in April 2012); Or I have just started Sun-Venus end of Nov 2011 (using 360 days for MD calculations).

Sun-Saturn was one of the most powerful Bhuktis ever in my life, in that certain events forced me to quit a very high paying job in a foreign country, and take up study of Palmistry and Astrology on my own in India. This period was also extremely frustrating since I could not find any suitable alternative employment. Saturn transiting 10th from Chandra (Dhanur Rasi) was also responsible for this.

Saturn is lord of 10th (and 11th) in Rasi, he is placed in 10th in both D9 and D10 charts.....hence, you can say that my career is under Lord Sani's control. Since he is exalted, retrograde and attains Dig Bala in 7th in Rasi, he is very very powerful in the chart...his NBRY in D9 probably contributes to the wierd powerful behavior also.

Sun-Mercury immediately got me back into a new job (in another foreign country), although with a much lower pay (again, Sa transiting 10th from natal moon indicating professional troubles).

Waiting to see what Sun-Venus will conjure. That would be a test if my NBRY in D9 is powerful or not.

So, on the material plane, Sun-Saturn was a disaster, but Spiritually, I gained immensely. I learned tons from online experts (who are kind enough to respond and share their own knowledge), and from books.

Overall, Sun MD has been very harsh...Sun in 12th house in Rasi, with Maandi, and Malefic Mercury (3rd and 6th lord for mesha lagna). Sun has only 2 Bindus, and is neecha (maybe with NBRY) in D9. I will probably not run Saturn MD in my life, but Rahu might give Saturn's results in his MD?

AstroKid was my first username on a Palmistry forum that I joined in early 2010...and that started my exciting journey into occult studies. I am a Kid at heart, and hence I will like to keep this name

Best Regards.

AstroKid_84

[sureshk]

given below the birth details of a 16 year old boy.does he have neechabanga raja yoga

dob 20.10.1995
place chennai
time:13.38
pl analyse the horoscope and furnish your comments

[Dev]

Hi Astrokid:

As I said, you seem to have a very good understanding of astrology and seem to know quite a lot. Anyway since u are a kid at heart as u say, u prefer retaining the name.
Fine, your analysis of your own chart is good.
I think it is more because of the sun saturn as enemies aspecting each other that caused you problems in sun dasha(gochara also to be seen wrt saturn and jupiter) rather than saturn or sun being neecha since both have attained neecha bhanga raja yoga though raja yoga fructifies only when neecha bhanga is caused in several ways.

Dev

[anilesh47]

Hii Dev,

sorry for interruption. I have seen your chart, do you think you have a kal sarp yoga in your chart? Because i found that your moon is out of rahu-ketu axis. if one or two planets out of rahu-ketu axis some astrologers believe it is as a "Ardha kaal sarp yoga". I want to ask to astroboy, Is there any mentioned in classic astrology about "Ardha kaal sarp yoga." I want to request to astroboy to light on this subject also. If it is really exist then my and my wife's chart would be example of "Ardha kaal sarp yoga" bcause we both have one planet is out of rahu-ketu axis.

Nilesh