Vidya - The Education

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

Generally Vidya or Vidya Yoga is seen from 2nd, 5th and 9th houses in a jataka.

Here 4th house is also said as Vidya Sthana by many famous astrologers and even said this 4th house is very important than any other houses mentioned above.

All these above houses should be taken into consideration while analysing VIDYA STHANA in a jataka

2nd Vidya Sthana------ Samaanya ( basics ) vidyasthama,say upto SSSLC.

5th Vidya Sthana -----Medium vidya sthana . That is upto Degree or Pre- University

9th Vidya sthana---- Unnath vyaasanga, higher education like I A S , I P S, M Tech, C A, M D , M S, Phd, Central and State adm services etc , etc--- all above graduation, post graduation,.

Ofcourse the lagna and Lagnadipathi is always important in any matter.

Vidya Karaka ----=- Budha ( sadharan buddhi karaka)
Jnana Karaka----=- Guru ( Vishesh Buddhi karaka )
Adrashta Karaka ---- Guru and Shukra
Concentrated study---- Chandra

Having guts to appear for the exam by just turning pages without memeorising and then coming up----KUJA

I must read, I must come-up, i must pass with flying colours, Sthyrya---- Ravi

When u dont get returns of your hard work/study, read again and again and then come-up. By that time he is fully matured enough to face any situation in life ------Shani Bagwan

Ooha -Pooha ( guess work ) jnana, guessing that this question will deffinetely come for the exam and read that only OR just listening the lecture in a cornerplace and memorising the lecture of the entire class----- Rahu.

Through Mantra shakthi or mantra upasana, taking blessing of God and read in a very systematic manner, having his own way of reading, then come-up-----Ketu


To be continued-------

[Saindhavi]

Srinivas Sir,

Thanks for this insightful post.

Since childhood, I have always enjoyed reading just for reading's sake and I read most of the Indian and Western classics, ancient texts from Hinduism, Buddhism and Christianity (in translation of course) in my early school days - just out of interest, not for exams.

Of course, I forgot much of it later when I grew up and had to re-read whatever I needed, but this early-age reading strengthened my language skills - in Hindi, English and Sanskrit.

That said, I never liked to study for exams and have never been good at memorising and I hate to memorise - I try to understand a topic rather than memorise it. Hence, exams were never my favourite and I always wrote exams - till college level - by studying one day before the exams and always came out on top by that little studying before exams. But I always paid attention to lectures in class.

I went to a university which emphasised upon understanding a topic, critical and innovative reflection, so did very well in the university - because I didn't have to memorise for exams!

Once in a while it has happened that I have been stuck in a paper in exam and have just depended upon guesswork and luck and my luck has helped me in such cases. But such cases are few.

So, eventhough I have been reading with interest since childhood, I have never studied seriously for exams and have always done well in education and my classmates, peers and teachers have always appreciated me.

And yes, I have changed my subjects often since higher secondary school level. Through much of my higher education I was going through Rahu Mahadasha of course, so that may have been the cause behind changing my educational track so many times. But by the time I ended my Masters, I found the subject I liked the most and have stuck to it since then, though changing its sub-specialisations several times.

What planets do you think are responsible for such an educational graph?

[Hina]

Saindhavi,

Does Rahu have anything to do with education houses in your chart?

I just realized for a couple of people, they also ran Rahu dasha during childhood- academically have done very well without putting on half the effort.

After reading Shri Rao's post, it seems to be Rahu for that easy sailing.

[milredr]

Hello Sir, interesting topic once again.

Hina i also know off people where the education was not completed during the Rahu MD,someone with a buddha aditya yoga didnt finish basic education. He was in the Rahu MD.

Sir My interest in this topic - my son will b having major part of his basic education in the Rahu MD, his 2nd nd 5th lord jupiter in the 12th with mercury nd sun. 9th exalted in 7th.

I also had another doubt, what if the 2nd and 5th are a goner, but 9th is very strong. How can one finish higher studies without the basic education?

Regards

[Saindhavi]

Hina,

Rahu is not linked to 2nd, 5th or 9th house of my chart. He is a friend of my Lagna, but is in an inimical sign and hence, as I have written elsewhere, my Rahu Mahadasha was quite troublesome (you can see Exploring's thread on Rahu Mahadasha in the "Dasha" section for my brief account of my Rahu Mahadasha).

So, I consider Rahu as not benefic for me even though it's a friend of my Lagna, because Rahu Mahadasha wasn't very good for me.

But your query is interesting in exploring Rahu's role in my education. Perhaps Srinivas Sir will say something about it.

My 9th Lord is well-placed in my 5th, giving me a sharp memory. Hence, I mostly relied on class lectures and some reading before exams to do well in exams.

But memorising to do well in exams and reading for learning as an enjoyable activity are two very different activities.

I have since childhood, always read for learning as an enjoyable activity and I am in fact a voracious reader - hence, I have never perceived all my reading activity as hard work.

It's just that I hate to memorise and I certainly hate to memorise to do well in exams. And I never liked to read textbooks.

As I said, I have a sharp memory and I can memorise if I want, but I hate to do it and hence, have never done it except the minimum level necessary for exams and I have been fortunate in that sense.

It's more an issue of how we look at the education system and the skills necessary to succeed in this system and what planets may be responsible for success or failure - i.e., is education all about memorising to do well in exams, or can we read on our own to learn as a pleasant activity and what planets play a role in all this?

I have often said elsewhere that my Jupiter is strong. Perhaps that counts as well.

I should add that I never had to take any tuition either. It was never needed.

I would like Srinivas Sir's views on all this.

[Saindhavi]

Milredr,

Basically, if Rahu is benefic, its Mahadasha will be benefic and if it is malefic, its Mahadasha will cause obstacles.

If the person is studying during Rahu Mahadasha and Rahu is malefic, there is a fair chance that the education will be disrupted or will be completed with much delay.

The latter is possible with a malefic Rahu and some other benefic planet very strong and benefic. In that case, the education will be completed but with much delay, problems and breaks.

[milredr]

Saindhavi thanks. Saindhavi i am not aware of Rahu being malefic or benefic for diff lagnas. Likewise for Ketu. Unless ur treating them as shani nd mars. Can u pl clarify. Could u pl let me know Rahu is benefic/malefic/neutral for which lagnas.

Thanks & Regards

[KRN]

Hi Saindhavi,

I passed through malefic Rahu Dasha from age 6 to 24. Initial schooling was very painful, but once I changed schools it improved somewhat and I stood on top of class also. I have exalted mercury which proves your statements below.

[quote]If the person is studying during Rahu Mahadasha and Rahu is malefic, there is a fair chance that the education will be disrupted or will be completed with much delay.

The latter is possible with a malefic Rahu and some other benefic planet very strong and benefic. In that case, the education will be completed but with much delay, problems and breaks. [/quote]

[Saindhavi]

Milredr,

Rahu is a friend of the following Lagnas -

Taurus, Gemini, Virgo, Libra, Capricorn and Aquarius.

However, whether it will give good or bad effect depends upon where it is placed, its zodiac sign, it's degree, Nakshatra, aspects from other planets etc.

Same for Ketu, who is a friend for following Lagnas -

Aries, Scorpio, Sagittarius, Pisces.

KRN,

Thanks for that!

[milredr]

Hi Saindhavi thanks. Saindhavi is this mentioned in any book? havent come across this. On what basis is it considered that these lagnas r benefic. Sorry the question might sound basic.

Thanks

[shikham]

Taurus, Gemini, Virgo, Libra, Capricorn and Aquarius.

However, whether it will give good or bad effect depends upon where it is placed, its zodiac sign, it's degree, Nakshatra, aspects from other planets etc.

This is what I hate so much about astrology!

[Saindhavi]

Milredr,

See the relation of Rahu/Ketu with these signs and you can understand why.

But we are digressing from the topic of this thread, so let's stick to the topic.

Shikham,

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Milredr

Sorry, Saindhavi just a further digression to explain to Milredr.

Rahu belongs to the Venus, Mercury and Saturn camp. Thus it is friendly to these Lagnas. Ketu belongs to the Mars, Jupiter, Sun and Moon camp. But it is only good for Lagnas ruled by Mars and Jupiter because Ketu tends to afflict both Moon and Sun with the affliction of Moon being more. Rahu tends to afflict the Sun more. Thus the delineation given.

Rahu in Aires, Taurs, Cancer in Lagna gives protection to the overall horoscope that is in the classics (the source of the classic was mentioned in a past post by me, you have to search for it). Rahu also gives other benefits like long life, achievements etc. in Lagna in certain signs like Virgo, Gemini. For this refer to Bepsin's book on Myths and Symbols.

Nodes combination with kendra/trinal rulers in trnal/kendra houses give Raja Yogas regardless of sign placements.

Venus with Rahu in Dusthanas are no good. Refer to BPHS sloakas BPHS 51-53.5 under Chapter 55 of Rahu's Dasa.

Then there is this interesting sloaka from BPHS sloakas 42-42.5 under the same Chapter ie. 55 (wonder why Sage Parasara put this under Rahu's dasa chapter) :

42-42½. There will be Isht Siddhi, if Ketu is related to the Lord of Lagn. If he is associated with the Lord of Lagn, there will definitely be gain of wealth. There will also definitely be increase in the number of cattle, if Ketu is in a Kendr, or in a Trikon.

But bear in mind the above 2 sets of sloakas only applies during Rahu's dasa in the antardasa of Venus and Ketu respectively.

Chapter 55 under the following sloakas mentioned that Rahu is well placed in Cancer, Scorpio, Virgo and Sagittarius but provided Rahu is in Uppachaya house. I got this tip from Prash Trivedi.

1-4. Effects, like acquisition of a kingdom, enthusiasm, cordial relations with the king, happiness from wife and children and increase in property, will be derived in the Antar Dasha of Rahu in the Dasha of Rahu, if Rahu is in Kark, Vrischik, Kanya, or Dhanu and is in Sahaj, Ari, Karm, or Labh, or is yuti with a Yog Karak Grah in his exaltation Rashi.

And under Chapter 56 talking about Jupiter's dasa effects you have these sloakas :

72-75. Effects, like attachment to Yog, gain of wealth and grains during the first five months, sovereignty over a village, or country, meeting with a foreign king, well-being in the family, journeys to distant lands, bathing in holy places, will be derived in the Antar Dasha of Rahu in the Dasha of Guru, if Rahu is in his exaltation, in his own Rashi, in his Multrikon, or, if Rahu is in a Kendr, or Trikon, or, if Rahu receives a Drishti from the Lord of a Kendr, or, if Rahu is associated with, or receives a Drishti from a benefic.

Chpater 59 of BPHS for Ketu's dasa you should also go through the sloakas to familiarise yourself on some special combinations. The other chapters of BPHS touching on periods of other planets you should also go through to see what Parasara has to say for various combinations of the nodes with the said respective planet. Similarly on Chapters dealing with the Bhavas in BPHS which may caste some special combination of Rahus in those said houses with certain planets. An example is on Karam Bhava this sloaka from BPHS Chapter 21.

3. If Karm’s Lord is devoid of strength, the native will face obstructions in his work. If Rahu is in an angle, or in a trine, he will perform religious sacrifices, like Jyotishtoma

Rahu in Dhan Bhava is generally not good regardless of signs. BPHS sloaka 8 Chapter 13.

8. Loss of Wealth through the King. Should the Lords of Dhan and Labh Bhava be relegated to Ari, Randhr, or Vyaya Bhava, while Mangal is in Labh Bhava and Rahu is in Dhan Bhava, the native will lose his wealth on account of royal punishments.

To be continued ..........

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Continue ........

Then there are Chapters dealing with the nodes in relation to Upa Pad in BPHS also.

Also some interesting observation. Parasara although he acknowledges others using Chara Karaka system that includes Rahu either there is a clash (one system) or no clash (another system), he uses the SEVEN Chara Karaka system. Here is the sloaka from Chapter 32. This way of interpretation I follow Dinesh Mathur which I believe is the correct one. K N Rao also uses the seven planet system.

1-2. I now detail below Atma Karak etc., obtainable from among the 7 Grahas, viz. Sūrya to Śani. Some say, that Rahu will become a Karak, when there is a state of similarity in terms of longitude between (two) Grahas. Yet some say, that the 8 Grahas, including Rahu, will have to be considered irrespective of such a state.

Then of course there are other Chapters on Rahu in BPHS touching on Karamkamsa, infant death, Maraka effects, Avasthas etc. You have to go through them.

Then there is Chapter 47 the following sloakas to sum up the overall position of Rahu. Notice in these sloakas, Rahu in the 6th is not mentioned as one of the good positions although it is generally well placed in Uppachayas.

34-39½. In order to clarify the effects of the Dasha of Rahu I shall first mention the exaltation and debilitation Rashis of Rahu and Ketu. The exaltation Rashi of Rahu is Vrishabh. The exaltation Rashi of Ketu is Vrischik. The Multrikonas of Rahu and Ketu are Mithun and Dhanu. The own Rashis of Rahu and Ketu are Kumbh and Vrischik. Some sages have expressed the view, that Kanya is the own Rashi of Rahu and Meen is the own Rashi of Ketu. Should Rahu be in his exaltation Rashi etc., there will be during the Dasha of Rahu great happiness from acquisition of wealth, agricultural products etc., acquisition of conveyances with the help of friends and Government, construction of a new house, birth of sons (children), religious inclinations, recognition from Government of foreign countries and gain of wealth, clothes etc. If Rahu be associated with, or receives a Drishti from benefics, be in a benefic Rashi and be in Tanu, Bandhu, Yuvati, Karm, Labh, or Sahaj, there will be during his Dasha all kinds of comforts by the beneficence of the Government, acquisition of wealth through a foreign Government, or sovereign and felicity at home.

40-43. If Rahu is in Randhr, or Vyaya Bhava, there will be during his Dasha all kinds of troubles and distress. If Rahu is associated with a malefic, or a Marak Grah, or is in his debilitation Rashi, there will be loss of position, destruction of his residential house, mental agony, trouble to wife and children and misfortune of getting bad food. There will be loss of wealth at the commencement of the Dasha, some relief and gain of wealth in his own country and distress and anxieties during the last portion of the Dasha.

Chapter 48 of BPHS details Rahu's good placement. Here it includes the 6th Bhava.

18-20. ........ (Rahu and Ketu give favourable results in Sahaj, Ari and Labh).

Warmest Regards
Hock Leong

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Notice in the above next-to-last quotation, it was mentioned that as long as Rahu is a benefic Rashi and in Tanu, Bandhu, Yuvati, Karm, Labh, Sahaj Bhava, benefits would accrue.

This implies if Rahu is in any sign ruled by a natural benefic ie. bright Moon, benefic Mercury, Venus and Jupiter and is placed in Lagna, it is considered beneficial.

Parasara strewn everywhere with regards to references made to Rahu and Ketu.

[Khoo Hock Leong]

One last point.

Now amongst the 7 Charaka system there are two kinds.

One is to merge Matru Karaka and Putr Karaka. But BPHS does not agree wtith that because again later on it says "Some consider MK and PK as identical" in Sloaka 13-17 Chapter 32. Again this means Parasara consider others using it, but he does not use that.

The seven karaka used by K N Rao is to take away the Pitru Karaka and his basis is authority from Jaimini texts. BPHS never made mention to this.

How about P V Narasimha Rao in JHora saying that Parasara's way is a mixture of 7/8 Chara Karaka system (when you select Calculation Options for JHora and they will give you this option in the drop down box)? He is also wrong. Although BPHS details the 8 inconstant significators, it does not mean Parasara uses a mixed system. The initial sloakas in this Chapter which I quoted when I first reply to Milredr question already mention that Parasara only consider 7 planets for Chara Karaka. Later on he describes the 8 Chara Karakas is only for informatin to the readers only.

Sorry guys. You may carry on with the thread.

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

Dear Saindhaviji, u have really given a life to this thread and thanx for the wonderful explanation .I thought this thread may not have much response as this is the dry subject and u have woke up this thread. Any how i try my best to make it interesting and simplyfye.

Rahu might be one of the reason of changing the specialisation in ur educational graph.[/b]

Thanks to Milredr, Hina and Khoo.

Lets come back to the subject.

So one should understand the Graha Karakatwa for each vidya, Graha drishti, Graha bala and Sthana bala before analysing the vidya in a jataka

For --Politics, Rajakeeya------- Ravi

For--Psychology , Manashastra---- Chandra

For --- History, Engineering, Mechanical,automobile, any thing related to heat and fire, Doctor, Surgeory and learning Kroora Vidya---------Kuja

For ---- Business, representatives, Mediator, agents, Short hand, Typewriting, Drafting letters, Lecture, all the jobs related to buddhi shakthi or intelligence----- Budha

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

For --- Purohith vidya ( Pourohithya ) , Veda vidya, sanskrit lecture, Institutions, Teacher, Higher education, Phd, IAS, IPS, Jyothish, Law, Justice, teaching of jyothish, Banking, Treasurer, Cashier------- GURU

For-- Cinema vidya, Sangeeth, Sahithya, Short Stories, Kaavya, Kavana, Sankalana, Veena Vidya, all types of music vidya, Naatya, Drama, Acting, Sanskrit Vyakarana, income from daiva shakthi vidya, Mantra bhaaga, Jyothish vidya------ Shukras anugraha is required.

For--- Shrama vidya, Bodily work, Philosophy, Deep study and deep thinking, refering various texts, Nyay ( justice ) shastra, Jyothish vidya , Poorva and apara karma vidyas, cheating vidya, Gambling vidya, porgery, Fraud vidya------------ SHANI

Making upside down all types of Vidya----------- Shani

Making so much riddles, complicated so that no vidya comes to use and ultimately getting criticism from all section of the society.------- Shani.

Sometimes making upside down of all Vidya shastra and confusing others, Maha Chamathkari Vidya----- Shani

To be continued-------------------

[digitsoftime]

Hi Mili,

You might remember that I have Rahu in the 4th and 4th L in the 12th. My school life was terrible and I did extremely bad in studies. In fact 'extremely' doesn't describe the intensity of deplorability of my school studies. My teachers constantly said I was a very poor student, incapable of understanding any nuances and least likely to succeed in life. They made fun of me that I was stupid. In fact they put me in a special group of people who couldn't make up to the average norm. Among the hundreds of exams I wrote throughout my school life, I don't remember passing more than 10. I somehow scraped through and just managed to go to the next class. The fact that I somehow managed to pass might be because of Rahu being exalted.

That's a reason I hate school life to the core, and I encourage every child to fight and be adamant in not going to school and spend his/her time playing and picking pebbles in a garden.

Things got better in B.Sc

After that it got much better. Now I am doing a PhD in one of the best labs in the world in our field. This I think is because of the LL Shani exalted in the 9th.

least likely to succeed. My foot!

regards,
Sunny

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

For---- Indra jal- Mahendra jal vidya , Abhichara Vidya, Doordarshan Vidya, Broadcasting, Satellite communication vidya, Chaaya grahana , Photography, Electric and electronic vidya, Ayurveda- plants and shrubs vidya, Yoga vidya, Hypnotism vidya, Making others to believe u , Visha ( poison related ) vidya, Chanaksha vidya--------- RAHU

Mantrik Vidya, Rahasya vidya, Aakrshan - Stambhan- Vashikaran vidya-------------------Ketu

Vidveshana , uchhatana, vodoo vidya, Chaaya grahan vidya, Good -Vidya (Secrete, rahasya vidya ) --------------KETU

Vedantha, Jnana, Tatwa vidya, Aadyatmik vidya, Moksha vidya, -----------------------KETU

Getting good name by doing Parihars for all types of doshas----------------------KETU

POORNA PRAMANA JNANA KARAKA ---------------------------------------------KETU

Readers pl note , i have mentioned only limited and important karakatwas here . There are many karakatwas, i will bring before u in near future .

But for all the above Shani Bagwans anugraha is important. If Shani is efflicted or not in a good position in jataka -------- whole jeevana becomes SHOONYA.

Any vidya , any amount of buddhi, whatever the jnana one may have --- without Shanis anugraha not a single leaf can be shaken or moved. No one can escape from Shani Bagwan.

One would get vidya automatically if he prays Sri Chakra Maatha and have the anugraha of Shani Deva . For this , one requires poorva janmas sukrutha ( blessings )

If Gurus anugraha and Shani graha is well placed in a jataka, he will become Maha Jnani, Maharshi, high positioned officer, name - fame - gowrav , all will come automatically to him.


To be continued-------------------------------next explanation with CHART-- let us see the power of Shani Bagwan for vidya. After that, i will come to SOOTRAS

[Saindhavi]

Srinivas Sir,

Thanks for your appreciation. This topic is not at all dull. There is a lot of scope for discussion in this topic.

Digitsoftime,

It seems you got bad teachers in childhood. How is your Jupiter?

Khoo HL,

I liked to read your statement that Rahu-Ketu in association with Lagna lord in Lagna/trine form a Rajayoga regardless of sign placement! I hope this is true. I think we should test it in real-life charts.

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Saindhavi

Yes, when I first joined to the forum, I remarked to the forum why my Ketu period is always so good but I did not compare it with my Rahu's period at that time. But now, in retrospect, I would consider my Ketu's period in a way is even better than Rahu, not materially wise, but like what I said earlier when I joined the forum, I get peace of mind, and a lot of non-material blessings come as a benefic pour.

Anyway the sloaka I got right now is from BPHS. But yes, we always have to test it out even if it is from BPHS but it works for me.

Warmest Regards
Hock Leong

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Saindhavi

I re-read the relevant sloaka again. The statement is Ketu in association with Lagna Lord (and not Rahu) and this gives increase in wealth. The second statement is Ketu in Kendra/Trine (and not just Lagna) give increase in the number of cattle - which also means wealth.

So there is a disambiguation of the two statements. It is not an "AND" condition.

In my chart my Ketu is in Kendra (7th Bhava) AND associated with the Lagna Lord Moon. My Rahu is in Lagna which is a Kendra and a Trine so also satisfies the condition but then the sloaka is only meant for Ketu (see below).

This good condition of Ketu only happens during the Mahadasa of Rahu and Antardasa of Ketu. And yes, when I have such combination of periods, like Rahu Mahadasa and Ketu Antardasa, I feel the good effects. So the configuration in my chart where the dispositor of Rahu goes to Ketu side fits in perfectly since the Bukhti in practice always triumphs over the Mahadasa although in theory most astrologers say the Bukhti planet must work within the ambit of the Mahadasa planet - again by J N Bhasin.

Does it happen in Ketu Mahadasa and Rahu Antardasa? I have checked BPHS on the chapter for Ketu Mahadasa AND THERE IS NO SUCH CORRESPONDENCE.

So the above is unique to Rahu Mahadasa and Ketu Bukhti and my chart ties in with this kind of configuration periods as mentioned.

Warmest Regards
Hock Leong

[milredr]

Dear Khoo thank u so much for that wonderful explaination. Digits thanks, cant think of telling my son to play in the garden . Dear Sir look forward to more.

Regards

[Hina]

Hi,

I have a chart where Rahu is placed in 4th along with Saturn. Lagna is Dhanu, Sat is 2 & 3 L placed in 4th house.
This person is one of the most brilliants persons I know- In school he beat all competition hands down, all india merit scholarships, photos in the newspaper etc., Went to IIT, IIM, US on scholarships, Has 3 masters. However, he couldn't complete his PHD- tried multiple times but something or the other (family etc.) interfered. He got admission with scholarship multiple times but had to abandon it midway.

It was Mercury dashs and mercury AD. Nothing to do with Rahu.. But something definitely interfered. The higher education was interrupted.