Prediction of Return to Homeland

[Saindhavi]

I feel Rahu has to be benefic in 7th, 9th, 10th or 12th house to keep the native abroad for lifetime. If this is not the case, Jupiter should be strong and unafflicted - this counterbalances a malefic or weak Rahu, since Jupiter too is a signifier of foreign travel and residence.

Apart from this, 4th house and its lord should not be too strong.

12th house and its lord should be strong and unafflicted in order for the native to stay abroad and emigrate for life.

If any of these 3 conditions is not present, the native may not go abroad, will face problems during foreign residence or will return home.

If the Dasha of 4th house is operating and 4th house or its lord is strong, the native will return home or will not travel too much.

In fact, for going to a Western country from India, a benefic Saturn can also be helpful. A malefic Saturn can make the native return from the West.

In the chart cited, Rahu is not benefic in 7th, Jupiter who happens to be the 12th lord too, is afflicted and aspects the native in its debilitation house and the12th house doesn't get a strong benefic aspect from any planet. Ketu opposes foreign travel and this native has a malefic Ketu in Lagna.

A weak 4th house lord will make the native travel and go abroad - he went abroad when Jupiter aspected its own 12th house in Gochar.

But the conditions cited above in his chart will make the native face problems in staying abroad and will ultimately make him return home. The moment of return will be dictated by the Gochar - any time when there is a strong benefic aspect on 4th house from any planet, or during Mars Dasha.

In order to stay abroad, the native should strengthen his Jupiter.

[Saindhavi]

f2f,

Of course every planet and house has diverse kinds of significations. Obviously, while reading a chart, we take the significations which are compatible with each other and make sense, not opposite significations which won't make a reading comprehensible.

If we are taking Jupiter's aspect on its own 12th house as benefic for going abroad, quite obviously, the reading for the 4th house in the same period won't be for returning home - this makes no sense. If one has to read the 4th house signification in the same period, one has to go deeper into the native's life to see what other signification of 4th house came into play at this time. You can do this exercise if you like.

Similarly, if Jupiter is giving benefic effect of 12th house in a period, we shouldn't take the negative signification of excessive expenditure for the 12th house in the same period - although going abroad can sometimes cause excessive expenditure as well.

It goes without saying that we have to see which of the significations for different houses and planets, when synchronised with Mahadasha and Gochar, make sense. Everyone reading charts does this and I'm sure you do too - that's why you wrote in your list of conditions the 12th house as a factor for going abroad, not for excessive expenditure.

When I synchronise these signfications I can see that it was Jupiter aspecting 12th at that time who sent this person abroad and it is Rahu malefic in 7th who has been creating trouble for this person in staying abroad.

I have seen this chart before and I know whose chart this is. This person has often complained on this forum that he is facing problems in staying abroad.

Similarly, Jupiter in Gochar in 4th house can cause the native to come home - this reading synchronises with affliction of Jupiter in Lagna chart and other factors I listed earlier.

But if the native strengthens the Jupiter, the significations for 4th house may change - Jupiter from 4th aspects 12th and it can help the native to stay abroad and acquire house abroad - but for this Jupiter has to be strengthened. Afflicted Jupiter in Lagna chart can't achieve this.

Gochar can never overtake the Dasha or the Lagna Chart.

Rahu is not the only signifier for foreign residence - Jupiter is also a signifier for this.

Please also know that because 4th house lord is debilitated and 4th house doesn't get a strong aspect from any planet and Rahu is malefic in 7th, the native will not stay at one place even in his own country if he comes back. He may keep on going abroad and coming back, or move frequently in his own country.

[spidey]

F2F ,
I was reading about this exact case of return to homeland a few days back.
The suggested method was to time as per the transit of 8th lord wrt the 9th and 12th houses in D-4 Chaturamsha.

My 2 cents ...

Thanks and regards,
Spidey

[subhasis13]

Dear Learned astrologers,

I wished to take your opinion regarding planetary configurations, dasas and transits to look for while predicting a return back to one's home country.

As most of you will agree, the factors to be seen (in my humble opinion) while predicting a stay/ study/ work in a foreign land are as follows (not an exhaustive list!):-

(1) General Karaka of foreign travel/ stay/ foreign people and culture is RAHU
(2) lord of 12th house dictates foreign settlement and stay
(3) lord of 9th hosue also indicates success/ study and travel to a foreign lands
(4) planets deposited in the 7th house also tend to give foreign travel, especially if related to Rahu or the 9th and/ or 12th lord
(5) 9th house from rahu and its Arudha also relates to foreign trips/ stay
(6) saturn/ jupiter and double transit of saturn/ jupiter in 6th (opposite of 12th), 9th, 10th, 12th from lagna and or moon

So now, the question is what would you look for in the dasa/ transit of an individual to predict return back to homeland? (in terms of both vimsottari or other dasas and also the haevy transits of saturn/ jupiter/ rahu)

For example, a person starts Rahu MD with rahu in 7th house along with a debilitated 4th lord. within Rahu-rahu, the person travels to a foreign land and resides there for study/ work etc. During movement, Saturn was in 6th from lagna, jupiter in 8th from lagna in transit (double transit of sat-jup hence being in 8th house and 12th house from lagna) and dasa being Rahu/ Rahu
(details of horo as the example are sep 18, 1981, 16:12:27 or 4:12 pm and 27 seconds)by rectification - chandigarh, India

But question is more generic: what to look for to predict a permanent shift back to homeland?

All your valued opinion is invited.

Thanks,
f2f

Also planet in the 8th house ,the 8th house being in trikona from the 12th house can take an individual to foreign land.

[sweke]

Just a small note: I have seen charts with a strong Rahu in 4 giving permanent residence abroad, multiple own houses abroad and a strong support from the mother as well.

And one question out of curiosity: the person's chart and the planetary transits will change depending on the person's new location. Do you take that into account as well?

[Saindhavi]

f2f,

Ok, I leave this discussion here, you can think what you like. Not my problem.

Regards

[astro123]

Hi f2f

What abt Venus or the 10th lord...A strong 10th lord/house cud take a native abroad if he desires to do so ..Isn't Venus also considered a karak for foreign travel/residence besides Jupiter and rahu ?

[Balwinder]

I can suggest my own DOB, 10 December 1968, time 0152 hours, Bombay. I am currently running Sun MD which is the 12L.

Can anyone see foreign travel in the past?

[Balwinder]

Ketu opposes foreign travel and this native has a malefic Ketu in Lagna.

This is an interesting comment. Is it also the experience of other forum contributors, that Ketu opposes foreign travel?

[aganapa2]

Dear members,

I disagree with the blanket statement that "Ketu Opposes foriegn travel". I travelled and stayed abroad for 18 months during my Ketu MD and 1,4,5 lord's AD's.Of course ketu is associated in 6th with my 9,12 lord Jupiter.Ketu Rahu in 6-12 axis in my case.

Thanks,
aganapa2

[Balwinder]

Dear fluid2finance,

Do you subscribe to the rule that Jupiter is the significator of higher education? In that case, what if Jupiter is not so well placed, say Jupiter in Virgo. How will that affect higher education?

If Jupiter is all that does good all the time, then you might be aware that Jupiter is the significator of higher education. In this native's chart, there has been higher education from the highest level universities from pure merit. the native has more than 7 years of higher education (more than a PhD)

[astro123]

Hi Fluid

Thanks for the inputs f2f...Also apolosgise for deviating off-topic but i was reading ur comments somewhere on this forum that dashas shows timing of events promised by the natal chart and good events may happend even if one is running a bad dasha sequence provided there is inherent strength and i agree. I also happened to look at ur chart again and see that 10th lord is strong in MT sign aspected by the 11th lord ..how wud u rate ur career thus far..i also see that u may not run Venus MD at an appropriate age and the present Rahu is followed by the malefic 12th lord dasha..But 10th house and lord is strong , so how will this come to pass ?

[astro123]

wow...that was an eye opener..ur explanation (AV part) seem to relate to my own life and chart also..I will try applying the same concept combined with the dasha.transits and what-nots in other charts as well... Thanx on the elaborate explanation though

[aganapa2]

Good analysis fliud2finance. I was also contemplating BAV analysis something along these lines, but was confused when it came to predicting how AD's would act when their BAV's where more than MD lord's BAV.

I'm giving 2 examples of AD and MD . 1st - I'm running Venus-Mars now, Venus has an AV of 5 and Mars 4.Mars is my lagna lord (Aries) placed in Scorpio (8th house)..venus in Taurus in Mars Nakshatra (2-7 lord in 2nd).Mars has very high Ishta pala of 40 odd,while venus has around 34 with kastha pala's very less for Mars and little higher for venus. Does this mean Venus-Mars period will be good wrt 2-7 and 1-8 significations?

2nd Example is Venus - Jupiter. Jupiter is my 9th lord placed in 6th (Virgo), has very high BAV of 7.Jupiter aspects venus in 2nd from 6th,but a yogakaraka for Aries. Does this mean Venus-Jup period will be ordinary since venus has a lesser AV or would it be better,since Venus-jupiter are in a 5-9 relationship and jupiter aspects venus?

My Venus Moon period that ended last month, was screwed up, as venus-moon 5,3 AV's each and moon being debilitated in 8th aspecting 2nd lord venus in a 1-7 relationship..

Thanks,
aganapa2

[aganapa2]

Thanks f2f.So from your explanantion here, i understand my ven-Mars period may be moderate and Venus-Jupiter period may not be good.

However is there a way to assess what significations/functions will have problems to deal with? For eg my Jup lords 9th and 12th , placed in 6. So in my MD-AD combinations how do i assess which function will be impacted. Will it be 2-7 (venus) or 9-12 or all the 4 houses or respective planets significations (ven-Jup).

Do we need to get more deeper to other strengths like dasa varga other than BAV/AV?

Thanks,
aganapa2

[astro123]

Thanks f2f.So from your explanantion here, i understand my ven-Mars period may be moderate and Venus-Jupiter period may not be good.

However is there a way to assess what significations/functions will have problems to deal with? For eg my Jup lords 9th and 12th , placed in 6. So in my MD-AD combinations how do i assess which function will be impacted. Will it be 2-7 (venus) or 9-12 or all the 4 houses or respective planets significations (ven-Jup).

Do we need to get more deeper to other strengths like dasa varga other than BAV/AV?

Thanks,
aganapa2

Venus is Md lord and hence the house it occupies and house it lords- 2nd and 7th will be a constant factor ans active until th MD ends...The AD planets and their lordships will also kick in as and when the AD's run...Juipiter will come up with 9th.12th and 6th house significations plus its special aspects on the houses

[aganapa2]

Thanks for your feedback f2f and astro123.i want to keep these discussions going...very interesting

I will analyze and get back,but also tell me how we evaluate single house planets (Sun,Moon) and Rahu, Ketu from your above perspective. Is it just that the count from MK is only single or is it different?

[Balwinder]

I'd be interested if someone can tell me about when I left the place of my birth, and when I returned.
My DOB etc : Bombay, 10 December 1968, 0152 hours.

I can tell you if it is correct. I'm very interested in knowing how you apply these rules.

[jegdis5]

Hi Fluidtofinance and all,

Hope you are all good.You can take my chart as an example if you would like to.You have seen my chart before and hope you will recognise.
I got a abroad/foreign oppurtunity to UK during saturn(exhalated and retrograde) mahadasha and saturn antardasha and I am here in UK till now.I am not sure when I will be back but astrologers says that I will not be coming back to India until and unless I think of coming back.

I believe its Saturn who is made by foreign travel (away from mother land).
Is it because saturn is aspecting 4th house?

[jegdis5]

I'd be interested if someone can tell me about when I left the place of my birth, and when I returned.
My DOB etc : Bombay, 10 December 1968, 0152 hours.

I can tell you if it is correct. I'm very interested in knowing how you apply these rules.

Balwinder, were u abroad fro 2004-2007?..though i am basic learner just wanted to know if i am right..

[Balwinder]

Balwinder, were u abroad fro 2004-2007?..though i am basic learner just wanted to know if i am right..

Thanks for the reply. I was abroad from 1992 to 2009. A long time. How did you come to your conclusion?

[kabir]

Hi fluid2finance,

also usual indicators of a long term residence abroad :-

1) connection between Lagna lord and 12th
2) connection between 12th and 9th house/ lord
3) connection between Lagna lord, 9th and 12th is most ideal
4) connection between 4th with 12th

connection can be conjunction (same house) or mutual aspect or rashi interchange or nakshatra interchange

According to your quote, if i look in my birth chart,

Aquarius Ascendant- Saturn (Both lagna and 12th lord)
Venus- (4th and 9th lord)
Saturn in the 9th house i.e. In the libra
Venus in the 3rd house i.e. in the aries

Saturn and venus aspect each other, also saturn in the venus house.
And currently i am running the venus mahadasha, so i think there might be a strong chance for foreign travel.

But i had not got any chance for foreign travel yet and i don't yet had my passoport ready.

Please if you don't mind that put your views.

Here is my birth details,

Date of birth; 29th april 1984
Time: 02:29 Am (Ist)
Place: amreli, Gujarat, india.
All the learned astrologers are welcome to discuss the chance of foreign travel in my chart.

Thanking you in anticipation,
KInd regards,
kabir chintan

[spidey]

Balwinder ji ,
A quick question for you - did you go abroad (i.e. you start date of journey) in one of the following times -

1) 18th March 1992 t0 13th April 1992
2) 4th Jan 1992 to 29th Jan
3) 12th April - 30th May

Thanks and regards,
Spidey

[Balwinder]

Spidey,
None of these dates. It was in August 1992 that I left India.

[kc123]

Hi fluid2finance:

This topic seems to have gone cold but anyways, I think you are on the right track as far as the reasons for long term residence are concerned. In my D1, LL and 10th lord (Mercury) is conjunct with 2nd and 9th lord VE (retrograde) in the 12 house. 12th lord is in 11th and 11th lord is in lagna. 4th and 7th lord JU vargottam in the 8th house, aspecting the ME VE combination. I came to US 7 1/2yrs back for my Masters (MBA) and have been here ever since. Also been trying to relocate back home for the last couple of years but efforts in that direction have always stalled for some reason or the other. Wondering if this is never destined to happen...

Thanks
KC