What planet destroyed this chart ??

[swamykool]

Dear Sine curve,

Will do your chart and mail you soon. MMM will work if the native is unconcious and either her husband or child does it for her. Shastras say 'Aturey niyamo nasti' - there are concessions in the rules for the sick.

Btw, could you pl put the feedback in diff coloured fonts?? Its easier to read then. Thanks.

swamykool

[sinecurve]

Dear Sine curve,

Will do your chart and mail you soon. MMM will work if the native is unconcious and either her husband or child does it for her. Shastras say 'Aturey niyamo nasti' - there are concessions in the rules for the sick.

-- > Yes I asked her son to do it when Doctors were scared that she might go in Coma. Anupamji also suggested it once to someone.

Btw, could you pl put the feedback in diff coloured fonts?? Its easier to read then. Thanks.

-- ? Yes Sir !

swamykool

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sinecurveji,

Thanks for the feedback.

regards
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[anuradha]

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[astroboy]

Sine curve Bhai, let me dirty my hands a bit,

15 - 09-1954; 11:54 PM ; Betul

Going by what you have said about her married life, these are the times you wish that she divorced the guy and started a new life.

The whole screw up revolves around marriage. The culprit for this mess is Guru. Guru acts like a true Badhaka.
the word Badhaka has many meaning. the word is Sanskrit in origin. It means "opperessing", "suspending", "hindering", "paining", "injuring", "opposing","setting aside", "annulling", "harassing", and "trouble maker".

In our Context Guru is a True Badaka. Why? because he is caught plumb in between Gulika and Maandi and to top it, is aspected by the 8th lord Shani.

Look at the 7th house. Kuja and Rahu are within 1.5 Degree of each other. and to top it is aspected by Shani within 5 degrees of Kuja and Rahu. As per a Kannada Text, Kuja is called a "Sarpa Graha". Rahu and Kuja together is a deadly combination. It destroys the 7th house completely.

So now the Key question. Why is the marriage still on ? By all standards, Kuja and Rahu along with Shani should have finished the marriage even before the honey moon was over. The graha to be blamed is Guru. Guru is in Pushkaraamsha and is high on the "Dharmic" trip. He induces a high standard of Dharma into the individual. It is the Dharma of a Indian woman to stand by her husband no matter how much of a tyrant he is. Divorce is a "Adharmic" act and is not to be resorted to. Suffering silently is the Dharma of a Indian woman. This twisted logic is induced by Guru on the native through the Moon. Guru is in Chandra's house. More over guru is aspected by the 9th lord. What a twist of fate and irony this is. Only the planets can play such games with us humans.

He saved the marriage but gave her nothing out of it. Guru has played the ultimate game, both as the planet of Dhrama and Badaka. He has kept the marriage alive but left her with nothing from it. The situation reminds me of a few lines from Jodha Akbar, "paas hain fir bhi paas nahin, hum ko yeh gham raas nahin ,sheeshe ki ik deewar hai jaise darmiyaan". 25 years + have passed and yet she has not seen even a day of happiness from her marriage. What a game Guru has played.

The next unholy $%^& up is that Budha is Caught right in the MB degree, like a "John" caught by the cops at a seedy hotel with his pants down. No matter what rule you apply for MB, Budha is always in the MB degree. In one case, he is also in the fateful Trimsamsa degree. Lagna and the 4th house lord is in a "gone case" situation. The lagna and the lagna lord are the two points responsible for the native to experience the good things of life. The 4th house is the holy grail of happiness and comfort. With the lagna lord and the 4th house in dire straits, the horoscope is a write off.

Rahu and kuja aspecting the lagna, Ketu in the lagna in Ardra Nakshatra, Lagna in Kuja's nakshatra, Chandra in Ketu's nakshatra, Shani in Rahu's Nakshatra and Kuja and Rahu aspected by the 8th lord Shani is a kind of Sarpa yoga Kuja might look innocent but he is the 6th lord and is totally corrupted by Rahu.

[patience19]

One of the best charts I have seen. The lady is sitting on a goldmine but lives hand to mouth life. Her husband has property in millions but she still works job for Rs 1500/mnth and the family always travels in general compartment.

A lot said about 4 or more planets in exaltation / own sign. So here it is....JU / ME / SA exalted and VE / SU in mooltrikona with various yogas from Moon. Pretty Interesting chart....and theres a reason I posted it in relationship section, which is tho evident from the 7H.

15 - 09-1954; 11:54 PM ; Betul

Shes running worst MDs from last many years...and with recurring health issues, I m not even sure she would see her next MD of exalted JU.

Check the strength of exalted planets...Amazing !

Dear Sinecurve,

Dukha-Karaka Sani's grip over kalatra-karaka Shukra & 7th lord Guru (No Sukha from spouse - Cheated by spouse,in partnerships).

Apaya-kaari & Maraka Kuja too has drishti over 7th lord Guru.

Best Regards...

Life cheated her by giving such a husband but husband is way to timid to cheat on anyone. He is rather way too dependent on her...in fact she has to take more care of him than her kids. This guy would not have done anything better than begging on the street if he didnt inherited millions.

I am not able to get his chart....he must have some REAL RAJ - Yogas to get everything best and free !

Dear Sinecurve,

Thank you for sharing the info.

You are right on his Raj Yogas.

Best Regards...

[Dev]

Hi Astroboy:

Divorce is a "Adharmic" act and is not to be resorted to. Suffering silently is the Dharma of a Indian woman

This statement would have been totally valid around 100 years ago but in this kali yuga, the divorce rates are very very high and I understand that many girls are also involved in this, especially those who are in software profession, who are rich or even middle class, who are in cities Delhi, Banglare. Bombay, Calcutta and so on.
There are women in cities who are also involved in extramarital affairs, mostly without the knowledge of their husbands and so on.
The intolerance level is on the rise between married couples and even small arguments lead to divorce- like the man snores and it affects her sleep, their tastes are different, their skills are different and so on.
They forget the fact that even within a family one may have traits inherited from both father and mother and so if u compare a person with his father, they themselves may not have similar tastes.
If you just go into marriage websites, you can see lots and lots of divorced girls who want to get remarried, in all age groups say 18-55 and also in all castes, all religions and so on.
Of course I would say atleast 50% of these divorces would have been initiated by men and the rest by these girls.
The moral values are declining very fast. In fact since this is an open forum and so I am unable to cite certain happenings around that I have come across at workplaces and in the neighbourhood. Anyway this was what was written well in advance as the indications of kali yuga and its progress.

Anyway there are still certain percentage of very honest and dedicated men and women and that is why we still have rains. So we can only deduce we have not come to the fag end of kaliyuga.

Dev

[sinecurve]

Astroboy, Whatever problems I see in her life ...it all boils down to 7H matter. Even her medical problems are related to severe UTI. As rightly pointed out 'the-all-good' JU dint even let the marriage break being the 7L.

Dev, Shes from a generation and society where divorcees were looked down upon. Tho the problem has almost blown out of control these days, I still feel someone like her is better off walking away from her marriage.

- thanks

[Dev]

Dev, Shes from a generation and society where divorcees were looked down upon. Tho the problem has almost blown out of control these days, I still feel someone like her is better off walking away from her marriage.

- thanks

Thanks Sinecurve. Yes there are some people like that. Yes, I agree with you that she would be better off walking away from her marriage.

Dev

[Princess of solitude]

Hey sinecurve

Gud to see you back afta long time .

[sinecurve]

Chart No. 2 : 12th Sep 1966 ; 9:00 PM ; New Delhi

@KOOL: Exalted JU is in Conjn with debilitated MA.

- thanks

Dear Sinecurve,

Eagerly awaiting details on the above chart...

Regards

What do you wish to know ?

[sinecurve]

Hey sinecurve

Gud to see you back afta long time .

Good to see you too ! - tc

[champeya]

Does the rule applies to all exalted planets ? - thanks

Sinecurve, I am not sure about it. Thanks

[anuradha]

http://journalofastrology.com/article.p ... cle_id=326

In the case of Dr. Raman it is rare combination of the fifth, ninth and tenth lords combined in the seventh house showing many of his children, and many of his unknown disciples who picked up astrology reading his books, carrying on his tradition. Among them all, Dr. Raman lives through his famous daughter, the best known woman astrologer of the world. I rate her as the best woman astrologer of the world.

[milredr]

But the subtle point is - any connection between the 7th L (Jup) and the 9th L (Sat) or 5th L (Ven) brings misfortune and sudden upheavals. Over here all 3 are connected, so misfortune is great.

The above two dictums (Sat-Ven and 7th, 9th, 5th) is given by K N Rao ji, he and his team has tested this over thousands of charts. I have also found it to work very well.

Hi Sinecurve,

I am sorry, i am writing this in ur thread. However cant get over the above dictum mentioned by Swamkool.

Coolant/Anu/Deepak

I have this combination. Request u all to comment keeping the above dictum in mind. Now if KN Rao has tested on several charts, why not test it on one more.

10th April,1973, 17.30,Mangalore

Regards,

Milred

[astroboy]

Ladies and gentlemen, please understand the context, the matter, and the statements made by the author who proposed the dictum, or rather has bought it to our notice.

The book from where this dictum has come is titled ""Finer Techniques of astrological predictions Vol 1"". K.N.Rao ji, is merely the ""Guide and editor"" along with several other joint editors.

The bone of contention is that

""the 5th lord in the 7th or the 7th lord in the 5th is bad for marriage - and - the 7th lord in the 9th or the 9th lord in the 7th is bad for marriage. ""

The author who bring it to our notice is Meenakshi Raut Ji. She actually published a research on ""Mrityubhaga"" in 1990. The research was done under the guidance of K.N.Rao ji.

Now let us examine how the theory which has been mentioned abouve came to be mentioned in a article on ""Mrithyubhaga"" since the two are not connected in any way.

on page 133 part 4 of ""Mrithyubhaga"" Meenakshi Raut ji states, And I quote verbatim.

"" Here is another tragic case . This is the horoscope of a lady born in 1961. Her father is very prosperous. She married in 1984 with a well placed young man. She is herself very well educated. She had a daughter after marriage. But in june 1989 her husband died in an accident and she became a widow. Could this have been predicted ?

""I could not have predicted it"" says MR Rao, ""but apply the astrological techniques known to you ""

It is then that Meenakshi ji presents the dictum as stated above.

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[astroboy]

- now read carefully - Meenakshi Raut is speculating when she says and I quote

" It is said " 5th lord in the 7th or 7th in the 5th is bad for marriage to what extent no one has established conclusively.

next she says -

7th in the 9th or 9th in the 7th is bad for marriage - to what extent has not been established conclusively

[astroboy]

The horoscope in question is given below,

Mrithyu Bhaga.jpg

Distance from Mrithyu Bhaga
Sun - 0.6548 deg
Mars - 0.1851 deg
Mercury - 0.4985 deg
Jupiter - 0.2673 deg

[astroboy]

She then goes on to logically refute the dictum she has stated earlier,
She starts by saying ""one very satisfactory explaination is"" :-

Mrithyu Bhaga 2.jpg

[astroboy]

She then goes on to further justify the afflictions with other dictums,

Mrithyu Bhaga 3.jpg

[astroboy]

Note her words very carefully,

""In reasearch the fundamental principles of our ancient Rishis must be adhered to strictly and from their application must flow new reasearch""

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[astroboy]

So can we discard the dictum she stated earlier ? Can we discard the dictum Meenakshi ji has stated earlier ?? are we to discard this ?

"" It is said " 5th lord in the 7th or 7th in the 5th is bad for marriage to what extent no one has established conclusively.""

""7th in the 9th or 9th in the 7th is bad for marriage - to what extent has not been established conclusively""

If you ask me, this is a dictum that is worth a exam. Why? because this theory must have been in circulation for a long time for Meenakshi Raut ji to have picked it up and mention it in her research.

What is the logic that the 5th and the 9th lord's when associated with the 7th lord will give trouble to marriage ? one possible explaination is that the 5th is the 11th from the 7th house, and the 9th is the 3rd from the 7th. Could it be possible that the 3rd and the 11th lords {Both Kama trikona lords} damage the 7th house significations ? why then does the dictum exclude the 3rd and the 11th lords themselves.? They should be equally dangerious too, right ?

Anuradha ji has another beautiful explaination. She says, ""the 5th and the 9th are both Dharma houses. It is logical and obvious that any connection to the 7th house should disrupt the significations of the 7th.""

But that is a feeble explaination. Just like my explaination. Anu ji's explaination is far superior to mine, That, I have to admit. There are scores and scores of dictums in all the classical texts which praise any connection between the Vishnu stanas {Kendras} and Lakshmi stanas {Trikonas}. So could the classics be wrong?

Swamy cool ji is merely examining the dictum. I see no wrong in it. Let us examine a few more horoscopes before we come to any conclusion.

[astroboy]

Lets see what B.P.H.S. has to say, when the lord of the 7th is in the 5th,

Chapter 24 sloka 77 - If the Yuvati's lord (7th house lord) is in Putra Bhava, (5th house) the native will be honorable, endowed with all (i.e. seven principal) virtues, always delighted, and endowed with all kinds of wealth.

[astroboy]

and when the 9th lord is in the 7th,

chapter 24 sloka 103 - 0 Brahmin, If the Dharma's lord (9th lord) is in Yuvati Bhava,(7th house) the native beget happiness after marriage, be virtuous, and famous.

[astroboy]

And when the 5th is in the 7th,

chapter 24 sloka 55. If Putra's lord is in Yuvati Bhava, the native will be honorable, very religious, endowed with progenic happiness, and be helpful to others.