Cancellations of Maleficity

[shilpa]

Regards,
Mahesh
(if not interested to respond, I would like to delete this post)...

dear mahesh,
it is an interesting perspective....i will get back to it.
it requires more time reviewing, undertsanding and responding to long posts.
that does not mean I ( and others) are not reading or the post is not interesting

regards

[Dev]

Dear Shilpa:

I would appreciate your answers on the following:

1. If for mesh lagna, lagna and 8th lord mars is in 6th with moon the 4th lord and the two are aspected by saturn in 12th.
There would be lot of plusses and minuses as follows.

Lagna lord in 6th not so good
8th lord in 6th good
lagna lord conjunct with 4th so good
but in 6th so bad
moon abd mars friendly so good
8th lord with moon so bad
11th lord aspecting 4th lord, so good
but saturn aspecting moon so bad
11th lord sat aspecting lagna lord mars, 11th aspecting lagna so good
sat aspecting mars so bad.
So which effects from these would dominate and what would u conclude finally?
2. Say for mesh lagna sun is in 3rd, mars in 6th and sat in 12th, now if all three aspect the 9th house, by 7th,
4th and 10th aspects respectively, would u say, 9th house gets 3 melefic aspects or would you say 5th lord
sun is apecting 9th, lagna lord is aspecting 9th, and they(5th and lagna lord ie sun and mars) are his(jupiter's)
friends and so effect is good. Which effect would domintate?
3. It is said that atmakaraka is one who teaches lesson to the individual and his dasa will not be an easy going
one. But then what about a person who has sun as atmakaraka and is born with 2years of sun dasa left? Then
it should be in buktis but sun bukti would be too short, the longest being sukra dasa sun bukti being one year
and people born during sun dasa may not experience sukra dasa in their life time unless they live for more
than 100 years.

Dev

[sunny29031]

shilpa ji ...please go through my post ....the last one on page 8 ..... in this thread ......if time permits. ..


thanks

[badsaah]

Shilpaji,

Re- the chart you posted in the beginning of the thread. I haven't looked at it in detail, but I wanted to ask you a couple of questions on that-

Doesn't the sun give a civil service or a government job?

Also, I thought jupiter is the planet which has more to do with revenue than anything else?

Both planets opposed to saturn?

Thanks!

Dear Hina,
For any kind of governmental services ....doing organizing/ order/ discipline/ serving masses....shani is the key indicator putting a perons in that type of role.

Executive/ managerial rise, gain in position status comes comes from a strong sun, associated or aspecting career related houses in D-1 or D-10.
A strong sun-saturn combination with Rajyogas and favorable Dasas whousl see executive rise as politcians , top bureaucrats, compnay heads

Expansion, name, fame as a domain specialist in career comes from Jupiter.
Mercurial brilliance and efficiency comes from Mercury.

This man after his entry into civil services has had just an medicore career with the standard time bound promotions....although he is overall efficient because of a Me acendant, Rahu conjunct with asc ( in it's exaltation house) and sitting in Me's Nakshatra

regards

Mam i have a combination of sun and saturn in my dasamsa if i am correct. I would like to know if there is any possibility of me getting into a govt job..

dob : 15.10.1987, tob: 07.41am, pob: chennai,India.

Regards,
Sriram

[shilpa]

Shilpaji,

Re- the chart you posted in the beginning of the thread. I haven't looked at it in detail, but I wanted to ask you a couple of questions on that-

Doesn't the sun give a civil service or a government job?

Also, I thought jupiter is the planet which has more to do with revenue than anything else?

Both planets opposed to saturn?

Thanks!

Dear Hina,
For any kind of governmental services ....doing organizing/ order/ discipline/ serving masses....shani is the key indicator putting a perons in that type of role.

Executive/ managerial rise, gain in position status comes comes from a strong sun, associated or aspecting career related houses in D-1 or D-10.
A strong sun-saturn combination with Rajyogas and favorable Dasas whousl see executive rise as politcians , top bureaucrats, compnay heads

Expansion, name, fame as a domain specialist in career comes from Jupiter.
Mercurial brilliance and efficiency comes from Mercury.

This man after his entry into civil services has had just an medicore career with the standard time bound promotions....although he is overall efficient because of a Me acendant, Rahu conjunct with asc ( in it's exaltation house) and sitting in Me's Nakshatra

regards

Mam i have a combination of sun and saturn in my dasamsa if i am correct. I would like to know if there is any possibility of me getting into a govt job..

dob : 15.10.1987, tob: 07.41am, pob: chennai,India.

Regards,
Sriram

Hello baadshah,
10th Lord Moon is in his own house in Rasi and very high in amsabala.
Sun Sat together in the 10th house of Dasamasa in the house of Saturn is a strong combination.

Yes there is a possibility of not only a government job...but you will also rise high and do well in your profession.

regards

[shilpa]

Hi ...

29-3-1991
11-10am
hyderabad


according to the above details .... and the matter posted in the thread ....please analyse the effects of the forthcoming Rahu mahadasa ...which is in 8th .... with the lord saturn ..aspected by jupiter ..and mars ( which in exchange with mercury )

@ Shilpa ji ... congrats on becoming the moderator ...it's like i have visited this forum after a month ...due to the GRE and toefl exams ....

--Ke conjuncts with an exalted Jupiter and acts like Jup....providing balance, analytical rationale mind.

--Ra conjuncts with Saturn in Sa's house, magnifying the positive effects of Sa and itself acting like a benefic saturn.

--Ma and Me are in exachange Yogas between houses 1 and 11....empowering both planets, both of whihc are either neutral or friendly in their locations.

--all these planets are positive for the chart...Moon is the only one innimical.

--Rahu Dasa will be quite good for you......good health, wealth, inheritance, loans, availbale finances

regards

[shilpa]

Dear Shilpa,

After the discussion based on the slokas see some impressions and conclusions that come out as given below, but may not be correct 100% (as I have not verified with many charts)...
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As per desh kall patra, is it necessary to de-classify planets as malefic, benefic?
Rather, if an issue like say prospects and extent of raise in career is to be examined, treat it like a play, in this if all participating relevant planets are strong, one can give success otherwise no....
As you mentioned for example, the business men, notice all planets who lifted him are Rahu, SAT, SUN....
The point is, in this kaliyuga, many ask questions about success in education or career etc. Normally astrologers go by traditional classifications and treat some (SAT etc) are malefic (for no success) and some are benefic (for success) and create biased picture in mind while examining a chart..

In reality, we see that people who are academic (JUP) they settle in jobs like teaching or priests (which may
be top jobs in earlier days) Whereas people who are strong leaders, managers, millionaires, even scientists, engineers... raise because of strong SAT (work, discipline) OR MARS (competitive) OR manipulative skills (Rahu), may be Merc associated with these malefics (for shrewd and decisive power)... and all these qualities are required as per Desh, (present) Kaal (present)... [they also represent technical fields as per present Kaal, and many families I notice younger ones (Mars) are more active/stronger, luckier than elder ones (JUP)] whereas planets like JUP, Venus are somewhat soft... (there are many cases, where people successful in education in the first half of life, end up as Govt./Bank Servants or a lecturer whereas people who are poor in education, raise to manger/big business leaders in latter part of life).

Hence for looking for higher raise, first one has to check strength of SAT, Mars, Rahu and houses 3,6,10,11 (upachayas) as per Desh, Kaal....


Take for example, someone is lucky with good 1,5,9 houses and JUP. They born with silver spoon in mouth.... now unless strong SAT (effort), Mars (motivation, competition) Or Rahu (manipulative, manage things), to some extent Merc (for intelligence, shrewdness and decision power) that luck would not sustain for ever...... over and above, if Ven is strong, He only enjoys/consuming whatever existed due to father (9) or Poorva Punya (5) and become flat soon....

So, MAY BE better (alternate) way of looking a chart is;

1) look at strength of 5,9 JUP for less effort and easy raise at the same time (2) below

2) then strength of SAT, Mars, Rahu, Merc with these malefic....strong 3,6,10 AND all these must have
connections/ give support to 1,5,9 and JUP for sustaining 1)
because even if (1) (luck) is not strong, there is still some hope for raise by self-efforts.

3) if 1) and 2) are average or not sufficient to raise/success, look at strength of 8th and 12th. Though they may cause hurdles, set-backs, losses, the more stronger (aspected by strong and positive SAT, Mars, Rahu or malefic Merc) the better chances of coming out of them...

4) if all 1,2,3 are not so good... a weak luck (5,9, JUP), a weak SAT,Mars, Rahu (less inclination for sustain and stand-up) and weak 8,12 (no coming out of mess)... then only God can save...
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Note:
So, what is the difference between a big raise in life by strong JUP/VEN or by strong SAT/Rahu/Mars?

Dear Mahesh,

it's not just Ra, Sat and Mars that can give material rise.
Contrary to some mis-perceptions...these planets ALSO give material success and rise, in addtion to Jup, Ven, Mo, Me and Su.

In fact any planets in their own houses, exaltation and well placed in dasavarga charts will give rise.
the moral values base leading to that rise will be charecteristic of the planet giving the rise.

[sunny29031]

Shipa ji ....thanks for the prediction ....

Can you throw light on the reason why moon is inimical as it is in 4th house ....( it is a natural karaka of 4th )

and as per bhavartha ratnakara ....its not a maraka ....

is the issue ...mars and sun ...aspecting ..?


regards

[badsaah]

Shilpaji,

Re- the chart you posted in the beginning of the thread. I haven't looked at it in detail, but I wanted to ask you a couple of questions on that-

Doesn't the sun give a civil service or a government job?

Also, I thought jupiter is the planet which has more to do with revenue than anything else?

Both planets opposed to saturn?

ThanksDear Hina,
For any kind of governmental services ....doing organizing/ order/ discipline/ serving masses....shani is the key indicator putting a perons in that type of role.

Executive/ managerial rise, gain in position status comes comes from a strong sun, associated or aspecting career related houses in D-1 or D-10.
A strong sun-saturn combination with Rajyogas and favorable Dasas whousl see executive rise as politcians , top bureaucrats, compnay heads

Expansion, name, fame as a domain specialist in career comes from Jupiter.
Mercurial brilliance and efficiency comes from Mercury.

This man after his entry into civil services has had just an medicore career with the standard time bound promotions....although he is overall efficient because of a Me acendant, Rahu conjunct with asc ( in it's exaltation house) and sitting in Me's Nakshatra

regards

Mam i have a combination of sun and saturn in my dasamsa if i am correct. I would like to know if there is any possibility of me getting into a govt job..

dob : 15.10.1987, tob: 07.41am, pob: chennai,India.

Regards,
Sriram

Hello baadshah,
10th Lord Moon is in his own house in Rasi and very high in amsabala.
Sun Sat together in the 10th house of Dasamasa in the house of Saturn is a strong combination.

Yes there is a possibility of not only a government job...but you will also rise high and do well in your profession.

regards

Thanks for you immediate response mam.. I am happy to see such a nice response.. but the saddest part is i have written 3 government exams cleared all written exams but never cleared any govt interviews. As of now i am in search of job.. nothing is turing out in proper sense.. Hoping i might get it in a short time


Regards,
Sriram

[shilpa]

Dear Shilpa,

Thanks for responses for all my posts.

Best wishes,
Mahesh

you are welcome...I enjoyed the discussion

[shilpa]

Thanks for you immediate response mam.. I am happy to see such a nice response.. but the saddest part is i have written 3 government exams cleared all written exams but never cleared any govt interviews. As of now i am in search of job.. nothing is turing out in proper sense.. Hoping i might get it in a short time


Regards,
Sriram

have some more patience......around mid Nov life should take a strong upwward swing in career and pretty much all matters....when YK shani moves in to your first house in exalation where Venus is aleardy in his own house.

have faith, your chart and career is good.

[shilpa]

Shipa ji ....thanks for the prediction ....

Can you throw light on the reason why moon is inimical as it is in 4th house ....( it is a natural karaka of 4th )

and as per bhavartha ratnakara ....its not a maraka ....

is the issue ...mars and sun ...aspecting ..?


regards

Moon sist in the house of Me and is also innimical throuhg temporal realtions. Mildly malefic.
regarsd

[badsaah]

Thanks for you immediate response mam.. I am happy to see such a nice response.. but the saddest part is i have written 3 government exams cleared all written exams but never cleared any govt interviews. As of now i am in search of job.. nothing is turing out in proper sense.. Hoping i might get it in a short time


Regards,
Sriram

have some more patience......around mid Nov life should take a strong upwward swing in career and pretty much all matters....when YK shani moves in to your first house in exalation where Venus is aleardy in his own house.

have faith, your chart and career is good.

Sure mam.. thanks

[chavitarun]

respected shilpaji
namaskar

Jupiter karak of 2, 5 ,7 & 9th house if posited in these house is bad as per" karko bhav nashay "theory.

do you believe in this theory as many astrologer have found it to be useless.

1. i want to know if this theory holds good , how the malefieciency of this is cancelled in the chart

2. what if it is not there in other chart like d-9 , d7 etc.
regards

[chavitarun]

respected shilpaji
namaskar

how the malefieciency is cancelled in the chart with Aspects of planets in folllowing situations :

1. Natural malefic being functional benefic sitting in good house & aspecting good house

2.Natural malefic being functional benefic sitting in bad house & aspecting good house

3. Natural malefic being functional Malefic sitting in good house & aspecting good house

4. Natural malefic being functional Malefic sitting in bad house & aspecting good house

5. Natural malefic being functional Malefic sitting in bad house & aspecting bad house

6. Natural malefic being functional Malefic if strong or exalted sitting in good house & aspecting good house

7. Natural malefic being functional Malefic if strong or exalted sitting in bad house & aspecting good house

8. Natural malefic being functional Malefic if strong or exalted sitting in bad house & aspecting bad house


9.Natural benefic being functional benefic sitting in good house & aspecting good house

10.Natural benefic being functional benefic sitting in bad house & aspecting good house

11. Natural benefic being functional Malefic sitting in good house & aspecting good house

12. Natural benefic being functional Malefic sitting in bad house & aspecting good house

13. Natural benefic being functional Malefic sitting in bad house & aspecting bad house

14. Natural benefic being functional Malefic if strong or exalted sitting in good house & aspecting good house

15. Natural benefic being functional Malefic if strong or exalted sitting in bad house & aspecting good house

16. Natural benefic being functional Malefic if strong or exalted sitting in bad house & aspecting bad house

if in above situation if planet is combust or debiliated ,what will happen

Regards

[shilpa]

respected shilpaji
namaskar

Jupiter karak of 2, 5 ,7 & 9th house if posited in these house is bad as per" karko bhav nashay "theory.

do you believe in this theory as many astrologer have found it to be useless.

1. i want to know if this theory holds good , how the malefieciency of this is cancelled in the chart

2. what if it is not there in other chart like d-9 , d7 etc.
regards

Dear chavitarun,

I have come across this theory innumerable times.
It is highly unverifiable at this time.

regards

[shilpa]

Dear Shilpaji,

I am a learner of vedic astrology for the past few years. I have enjoyed reading this post and certainly learnt quite a bit from it.

While we are on the topic of maleficity and cancellations -- would appreciate your thoughts on my chart and in particular Shani Dasha that commences in Feb 2013.

June 17, 1976, 1:56 am, Mumbai, India -- Meena Lagna, Kumbha Rashi -- currently in Jup/Rahu

Few points to note with respect to Shani:
1) Situated in Trine - 5th house but in enemy rashi - Karka Rashi
2) In exchange with 5th lord and dispositor Moon, which is situated in 12th house
3) In association/conjunction with debilated Mars -- ruler of 2nd and 9th house
4) Situated in 8th house Virgo in Navamsa with Ketu
5) In own Nakshatra

Also, any light you can shed on Venus/Sun degree conunction in the 4th house and its effects would be greatly appreciated.

Regards

shani is malefic, though an extremely innimical placement and a unfavourable exchange Yoga with Moon.
mars is malefic throuhg debilitation.
Moon ias afflicted, by being in enemy sign and bad exchange.
Venus is combust and badly so,
Rahus in Swati Nakshatra ...making Rahu strong and positive for the chart and a strong 8th house.

regards

[chokra]

in my navamsa i have deb. mars (1st house) aspecting deb. jup (7th house), and vice versa. does that cancel the debiliation on these planets, or the effects at all? ofcourse ignoring all the other planets and their implications.

[shilpa]

in my navamsa i have deb. mars (1st house) aspecting deb. jup (7th house), and vice versa. does that cancel the debiliation on these planets, or the effects at all? ofcourse ignoring all the other planets and their implications.

no i don't think a cancellation is acheived in the above scenario.

regards

[chavitarun]

Respected shilpaji
namaskar

i would now request you to please summarise the points/principles which results in cancellation of maleficity emerged out during discussions under thread "cancellation of maleficity".

regards

[Dev]

6. Say for mesh lagna sun is in 3rd, mars in 6th and sat in 12th, now if all three aspect the 9th house, by 7th,
4th and 10th aspects respectively, would u say, 9th house gets 3 melefic aspects or would you say 5th lord
sun is apecting 9th, lagna lord is aspecting 9th, and they(5th and lagna lord ie sun and mars) are his(jupiter's)
friends and so effect is good. Which effect would domintate?

[color=#00BFBF]--sun in Me's house in 3rd..where is Me?

--Mar is in 6th in Me's house virgo...where is Me?

--sa is in 12th in Jup's house...and where is Jup.

It is essential to know the positions of Me and Jup in the chart to add temporal relations to the natural ones...to determine how strong or innimical Sun, Mars and Sa are in the chart.[/color]Shilpa,

Many thanks for the analysis.

The chart details are June 17, 1967 2.48am chennai

Lagna is mesha having rahu.
Mercury and sun are in mithun the 3rd house.
Venus and jupiter in 4th
mars and moon in 6th
ketu in 7th
saturn in 12th

Thank you
Dev

[ambjig]

ambjig wrote:
neutralized is not what I said, but watered down...i.e greatly reduced affect.



One simple question what time is right time for me to get married ? and how will either love or arrange marriage ?

How will be married life ?

Regards
jignesh a.


dear friend,
that's getting too offtopic....however the chance of you getting married before Jan 2012, is high....married life good...wife beautiful and talented
regards


Hi Shipla ji,

Above is ur reply on my chart.

I am facing a lot of issue now a days in professional front. I m now job less and searching a job from last 2 month. without job i dont find to get even married ?

will it be possible for u to tell me when things get settled for me.?????/

Jignesh
17-11-1977
17-00
jamnagar, gujarat.

[shilpa]

ambjig wrote:
neutralized is not what I said, but watered down...i.e greatly reduced affect.



One simple question what time is right time for me to get married ? and how will either love or arrange marriage ?

How will be married life ?

Regards
jignesh a.


dear friend,
that's getting too offtopic....however the chance of you getting married before Jan 2012, is high....married life good...wife beautiful and talented
regards


Hi Shipla ji,

Above is ur reply on my chart.

I am facing a lot of issue now a days in professional front. I m now job less and searching a job from last 2 month. without job i dont find to get even married ?

will it be possible for u to tell me when things get settled for me.?????/

Jignesh
17-11-1977
17-00
jamnagar, gujarat.

dear ambijig,

1)you are runniong Jup-Ven period.
Jup is sitting innimical in the house of Me in the 3rd and rules the 12th house of losses.
so the first line of defense is weak

2)But Venus is strong as the Lord of 2nd and 7th in the 7th house...so the second line of defense is strong.

3)Transitory Venus was going throuhg your dustahn 6th house of services/ hurdles etc and combust and debilitated.
Normally Venus has less impacts in transits unless it's MD or AD is running.......and hence caused an unfortunate flash event of job loss...but venus will be out of Virgo in a few days and you shall get another Job soon...trust me and have faith

and the chance of marriage is still strong before end of Jan

regards

[ambjig]

Thanks a lot for lovely explanation shilpa ji,

Yes i have a faith in god and u.

Lets see.

When venus will be out of virgo again ????

Regards
jignesh a.