Celebrating The Combustion of Saturn...

[astroboy]

by shikham » Fri Oct 14, 2011 5:11 pm
I did not understand this by this underlined part. What is "on the debilitation house"?

by shikham » Fri Oct 14, 2011 10:52 am
Ok let's settle this dispute once for all.
Jupiter is debilitated in Makar and hence very weak. A very sick man will not be able to stand on its two feet firmly and see others eye to eye but he will see eye to eye to that whom he loves the most. So, Jupiter will be able to see better at its exaltation sign better.
Mars is exalted in 1st house. He is very strong and will act as protection to those houses where he will aspect but 7th aspect will be difficult as the cancer is its debility point. Suppose He is exalted in 7th house, he will command respect from others merely by his presence but its debility on 1st house will make him coward from inside.

[shilpa]

Dear Friends,
I can see starting from page 3 there are begming to be perosnal remarks / offtopic comments.

There are clearly diffrent opinions being expressed.......on this thread.
Not all need to agree with all.
arguments / debates must be strictly kept on the subject.

Any personal/ offtopic refernces towards other posters is likely to drag the thread further off-topic and personal.

Hence I request various users concered to review and edit any personal / off topic comments in their posts.

I will send some PM requests also.

Thanks and Regards

[astroboy]

Not many people know that "Vargottama" is mentioned in the classics. Here is a Sloka relavant to the horoscope Sikhdam posted.

Hora Sara Chapter 13 Sloka 22. During the Dasha of Guru in Vargottama Navamsha, one will be worshipped by the public, acquire plenty of wealth and live in the company or his wife and sons. He will have an emaciated physique.

{Gandanta occurs in the last and the first 3 Deg 20 of a Water and Fire Rashi. A Planet caught in the last 3Deg 20 of Meena and the first 3 Deg 20 of Aries is deemed to be in a Gandanta point. planets in the Gandanta degrees are deemed to be Weak. However the Planet in Meena and Mesha attain a Vargotham position and thus regain strength. This luxury of a Vargotthama position propping the planet up is given to only Meena and Mesha. Planets in Ashlesha, Magha, / Vrischika and Dhanu do not get a vargottham position in their Gandanta degrees}

[astroboy]

The rest of the slokas pertaining to the queries raised by Sikham have been sent to the Admin. I will post them here when I get a textual reference to Shikham's Theory which he will have to provide for us..

[Saindhavi]

Friends,

We should respect Shilpa's directions.

This thread is on the combustion of Saturn. Hence, please stick to the main theme of the thread.

Thanks and best regards

Saindhavi

[shikham]

Hi sandhavi again,

Suppose a mercury is combust, then what you say about it? Is combustion equal to retrograde and debilitation?

[swamykool]

AB,

K N Rao ji, uses Leo or Simha Lagna for Indira Gandhi. Her details were given to him by Raja Dinesh Singh, a minister in her cabinet.

Sorry guys,

K N Rao ji uses cancer Lg for Indira Gandhi. It was my mistake.

swamykool

[shilpa]

Ladies and gentelmen,
Many thanks for your support following my request.

Once again i would remind all not to comment perosnally/ judgemenatlly or patronizingly towards another member on the thread.

Disagreeing, debating or even denouncing another person's point of view is fine....but with civility.
Attack the argument ( with civility) and not the arguer.

Best regards

[Saindhavi]

Shikham,

Combust Mercury will lead to wrong decision making, wavering of mind, problems in intellectual pursuits, forgetfulness, absent-mindedness, linguistic problems etc. Mercury's Mahadasha and transits will give less effect, depending upon the degree of combustion.

Mercury will not give much effect of the house where it is placed and of its 7th aspect.

However, if such a native has a benefic Rahu in Lagna or a strong Lagna and/or 5th house, combustion of Mercury can be counter-balanced to a large extent.

I'd like to hear about any experiences you have had of combust Saturn since September last week.

[shikham]

I'd like to hear about any experiences you have had of combust Saturn since September last week.

As of now, i felt nothing and just the job is going on fine.

To me combustion is a tricky thing. Yet to know how to interpret a combust planet.

what is bugging me is that does combustion really matters when Sun and Saturn are together? If we are to believe in mythological surrounding both the planets, they are both enemies to each other, so father-son relations or employer/employee relations suffer irrespective of degrees or combustion. What's ya think?

[Saindhavi]

Shikham,

No, degree of combustion matters. If Saturn is partially combust - like my Saturn is at 10 degrees from the Sun (Saturn's combustion range begins at 16 degrees), it still gives effect, but the effect is mild. However, Sun's Dashas will give greater effect of Sun and Saturn won't be able to counter it.

If it is deep combust or near-deep combust i.e., approximately at the same degree as the Sun, its effect will be very weak.

What matters is which house it is in and which zodiac sign. For example, in Leo in 6th house, Sun will be powerful and will give strong effect of 6th house, which Saturn will not be able to counter. In Libra in 6th house, Sun will give a mild effect of 6th house and Saturn will be able to counter it to some extent. But the native will still get the effect of 6th house.

Some authors say that exalted Saturn will give effect even if combust and Sun won't be able to counter it, being debilitated.

But I don't think so - this is my personal opinion and I know others feel differently.

[shikham]

What is your lagna, if you won't mind.

I don't have much experience as I don't have such conjunction. But going by their karakas, we can know what exactly a native will suffer.

Bill Gate has also sun-saturn combo. In his chart, sun is weak by debilitation but attained neechbhanga due to exalted Saturn. Dunno how to interpret this exactly but I feel this can make a man rise on his own efforts if there are other dhan yogas.

Do not know if debiliated Sun has the power to combust other planets as the rays are weaker. It can mean working for sick bosses

I asked about combustion of mercury as I am often puzzled as to how mercury period gave Amitabh much fame and success.

[Saindhavi]

We have to see the whole charts of Bill Gates and Amitabh Bachchan to understand their rise better. If you have the birth details, please post here, so we can discuss.

Phenomenal rise in career depends upon the whole chart. Often such people have other powerful combinations to counter one combust planet.

[shikham]

Here Amitabh Bachchan's,

11-oct-1942
15:55pm
Allahabad.

[shikham]

One thing- Do you treat combustion equal to debilitation & retrograde?

[Saindhavi]

Shikham,

Amitabh Bachchan's chart is a classic case of what exalted Jupiter can do - even at zero degree in 6th house!

His Saturn is very powerful and very good for his Lagna - cancelling Ketu's malefic effect on the Lagna - but it adversely aspects his 10th house. 10th lord Mars and Mercury the 5th lord (of creativity) are combust - mercury is near-deep combust. Rahu blocks his 7th house of personal and professional relationships. Venus the signifier of art forms is debilitated and in 8th house. Moon is not very powerful, being in Libra and in Rahu's Nakshatra.

But exalted Jupiter aspects his 10th house - and cancels Saturn's aspect on it. It also aspects his 2nd house of family and wealth, giving him marriage as well as wealth. Venus too aspects this house, though not strongly, being debilitated.

Amitabh Bachchan rose to great heights not in Mercury Mahadasha, but during Saturn Mahadasha. Saturn is well placed in 4th house and aspects his Lagna well. Thus, during Saturn Mahadasha he rose, helped by Jupiter's aspect on 10th and 2nd houses. Without Jupiter's aspect, Saturn alone couldn't have given him his phenomenal rise, because of its malefic aspect on 10th and because of all other planets being either weak or malefic as stated above.

Thus, exalted Jupiter has saved his 10th and 2nd houses and helped Saturn in enabling him to scale the zenith he reached.

Significantly, during mercury Mahadasha he began to fall and could save himself with struggle and difficulty.

I am by now notorious for talking sacrilege and I'll do it again - I have never thought of Amitabh Bachchan as a great actor. He could rise only because all those films were especially tailor-made for him, not because he was a great actor. I see now that he has a debilitated Venus and a not very strong Moon. But Saturn ensured that his films would be tailor-made for him and Jupiter ensured him success and wealth. No other planet in his chart is in a position to help him.

PS - No, combustion, debilitation and retrogression give different effects. Retrogression can make a planet's power strong in many cases. Combustion decreases a planet's power according to its degree from the Sun, which can vary. Debilitation truly makes the planet weak.

If you have Bill Gates' details, please give that as well.

Thanks

[shikham]

This is where confusion comes in when we see his chart.

He has much success and fame in almost first half of the Saturn's period. Around 41-42 years, he quit politics and got involved in scandal. This happened in Saturn's major period.

Then as you rightly pointed out about his fall in mercury's period, he rose again in the second half of the same period with the success of KBC and movies and winning international awards.

I have never thought of Amitabh Bachchan as a great actor. He could rise only because all those films were especially tailor-made for him, not because he was a great actor. I see now that he has a debilitated Venus and a not very strong Moon. But Saturn ensured that his films would be tailor-made for him and Jupiter ensured him success and wealth. No other planet in his chart is in a position to help him.

I heard that he got a break in bollywood through Indira Gandhi's contact. He must have used Rajiv Gandhi and then Amar Singh for getting good offers . Maybe we now know his secret formula for his success.


Bill Gate
28-10-1955
Seattle, Washington

Gemini Lagna.
Not remember his time of birth but lagna is gemini.

[Saindhavi]

For Amitabh Bachchan, we have to know the exact years of his decline and later rise. With so many planets weak or malefic, it is quite possible that his decline started towards the latter part of Saturn Mahadasha, when some weak or malefic planet's Antardasha was running. His later revival doesn't equal his earlier meteoric rise, but Mercury's last phase is covered by Jupiter and Saturn Antardashas, which may have helped him despite a near-deep combust Mercury.

It never occurred to me that he may have used political connections in his career - Saturn does rule politics. Using politics to rise is quite possible with that kind of Saturn.

Bill Gates' time of birth is 10pm (-8 standard time zone, 1hr DST). See links -

http://www.astrotheme.com/portraits/fFGy66R2CwPX.htm

http://www.timetemperature.com/tzwa/seattle.shtml

His Saturn is conjunct with Sun, but it is not combust - at 17 degrees from Sun. Saturn's combustion range begins at 16. His Saturn is exalted and strongly placed with Venus - both have helped him in giving wealth in technology-related business. This is complimented by the 2nd house lord Moon well-placed in 10th and Mars aspecting its own house in 11th house of finance. Lagna lord Mercury is exalted in 4th. 11th house is aspected by a well-placed Jupiter, the 7th and 10th lord. Rahu is benefic in 6th, vanquishing his enemies, oppositions, problems. Rahu rules strategy and software programming.

You can see how many combinations are there for him to attain great wealth and meteoric rise in software-business.

His Saturn also afflicts his 7th and 2nd houses - resulting in marriage-related issues.

Now, I present below the birth details of a native. What do you think of Saturn's role in this native's life? -

9th June 1949

14.10pm

Amritsar

[shikham]

His Saturn is conjunct with Sun, but it is not combust - at 17 degrees from Sun. Saturn's combustion range begins at 16. His Saturn is exalted and strongly placed with Venus - both have helped him in giving wealth in technology-related business. This is complimented by the 2nd house lord Moon well-placed in 10th and Mars aspecting its own house in 11th house of finance. Lagna lord Mercury is exalted in 4th. 11th house is aspected by a well-placed Jupiter, the 7th and 10th lord. Rahu is benefic in 6th, vanquishing his enemies, oppositions, problems. Rahu rules strategy and software programming.

Definitely, if you ask my opinion, it is multiple influence on 11th house of achievers that made him great.

9th June 1949

14.10pm

Amritsar

I love analyzing charts of unknown. I will give it the best shot-

Mercury lagna in 9th house conjunct with enemy Mars but with friendly Sun. no doubt he has a brilliant mind but still he must have suffered problems in education at one point of time.

he has love for music, fond of singing and short travelling and may be having one younger sister or brother.


The karaka for children is debilitated. There must have been some issues connected with children, studies and so on.

The chart is favourable for settling down in abroad. Good parivartan yoga between 9th and 10th houses which shows business or professional life in abroad.

The luck factor and relations with father may not be good as both 12th and 8th Lords conjunct in 9th house.

There maybe good factors but the presence of kemadrum yoga will often make him feel isolated and less satisfied.

Now coming to the specific question about saturn-

Saturn is 5th Lord in 12th house and 6th Lord in 12th house, there has been many struggles in his life maybe till 35 years. Further nakshatra is Anuradha, which again give struggles early part. Due to afflicted 5th and 9th house, Saturn will make him go towards spirituality. Being in Ketu nakshatra, he may have problems relating to speech, face, mouth or eyes. He may have good intuitive power.

Hope I score 10/10 out of this analysis.

I LOVE CHALLENGES!!!!

[shikham]

Thanks for the pm but I can't send you as you seem to have disabled it. One thing more- Where is Saturn placed and what is your rashi? It will help me decoding how much influence Saturn has. You can pm me.

[Saindhavi]

Shikham,

I'll give you the score after a while - you have got a high score!

When you are ready with analysis of my Saturn, let me know here. I'll open the PM and you can tell me by PM.

[shikham]

Thankyou for PM, Saindhavi. I got it. You are right under Saturn period which will be beneficial to you. You have excellent yoga for higher education and must be phd or higher qualified with research bent of mind.


And the rest in PM

[Saindhavi]

Shikham,

You are great! I couldn't have analysed my own Saturn in this way!

What combination do you see in my Saturn as a signifier of higher education - because it is a benefic for Lagna and Moon rashi both - even if partially combust?

Ok, the PM is open now.

PS - All this while I have been ignoring my Saturn. I think now I should begin to take it more seriously!

[shikham]

Sorry, I told this about higher education thing through your lagnesh and 9th Lord conjunction. Now rest through PM.

[shikham]

Please provide the birth place and I will definitely analyse your chart tomorrow's night and let you know.