Cancellations of Maleficity

[chavitarun]

(quote="shilpa"]
The chart has 5 planets in 12th house & 2 in 6th & 2 in lagna, with many yoga from Moon Lagna ,
two planets in own house & one planet exalted ,garhan yoga in 6th & viprit rajyoga

DOB : 17/02/1962,Male
Place : Beawar(Rajasthan)
time : 07.35 AM

"[quote="shilpa")
Dear friend,

--
also a couple of Rajyogas are being formed by the conjunction of 1-5 and 1-10 lords.
the 1-10 Rajyoga is quite powerful as both 1 and 10 lords are either in own house or exalted...a.nd are also quite strong in dasavarga.

--many planets in a house make that house in particular and the chart in general quite a strong one.

--In my read this person in honorable, principled, charitable, religous, healthy strong minded, with a good career/ job-service status


regards

[/quote][/quote]

Respected shilpaji
namaskar

Mr. Swamikool & Ramanan sir said in a chat that it is a complex chart not good for material aspect
is that the reason for not owning a house so far?

1.you have not mentioned about effect of natural malefic sun lord of 7th in lagan with venus,whether
maleficiency of sun is nullified as it is posited with yogkarak Venus. or venus is combust degreewise

2. whether is it due to combust venus lord of 4th & 9th , the native is not having his own home
at the age of about 50 years . or is due to debiliated Jupiter .Current mahaDasha is Venus

Regards[/quote]

shilpa madam
awating your reply
regards

[Dev]

Dear Shilpa,

for a rishabh ascendant, venus is lagna and 6th lord and jupiter is 8th and 11th lord. Suppose venus is in 8th, jupiter is in 6th, would you consider that as viparita raja yoga involving 6th and 8th or will it be a mixed result since 6th is also 1st lord and 8th is also 11th lord or would you consider that as no VRY?
Also I am eagerly waiting for the last two questions of an earlier post of mine to be answered?
Thank you,
Dev

[shilpa]

6. Say for mesh lagna sun is in 3rd, mars in 6th and sat in 12th, now if all three aspect the 9th house, by 7th,
4th and 10th aspects respectively, would u say, 9th house gets 3 melefic aspects or would you say 5th lord
sun is apecting 9th, lagna lord is aspecting 9th, and they(5th and lagna lord ie sun and mars) are his(jupiter's)
friends and so effect is good. Which effect would domintate?

--sun in Me's house in 3rd..where is Me?

--Mar is in 6th in Me's house virgo...where is Me?

--sa is in 12th in Jup's house...and where is Jup.

It is essential to know the positions of Me and Jup in the chart to add temporal relations to the natural ones...to determine how strong or innimical Sun, Mars and Sa are in the chart.


7. It is said that atmakaraka is one who teaches lesson to the individual and his dasa will not be an easy going
one. But then what about a person who has sun as atmakaraka and is born with 2years of sun dasa left. Then
it should be in buktis but sun bukti would be too short, the longest being sukra dasa sun bukti being one year
and people born during sun dasa may not experience sukra dasa in their life time unless they live for more
than 100 years.

I would appreciate your answers to these.

PVR Rao says the dasa of AK and PK bring fame and glory to the native...so there are more than one theories about the general results in the AK dasa.

then came the Sri Surya Siddhanta....and most people found their AK's have changed

anyway I see your point...some people do not get to experience the AK's dasa at all....that's how it is fated.
Just like some people don't get to experience their exalted 9th Lord's dasa.



Thanks,
Dev

[ganeshgadag]

shilpa ji since sun debillitated in my chart whether there is cancellation of maleficity for sun and mars

date-22:10:1989
place - belgaum , karnataka
time: 07-32 am

thanking u ganesh

[shilpa]

Dear Shilpa,

1) My point was, how did you find that Rahu is most malefic for this chart? Is it because it is weakest?

--I strongly suggest you should read the thread on Rahu conjunct vs. standalone...and you wouldn't be asking this question.

--Rahu is malefic not because it is the weakest...but because it is a malefic.

and it is a malefic because rahu acts like the planet it conjuncts.

here it conjuncts with a weak and malefic mars..and hence malefic.

2) Suppose a planet (say Venus, V1) is weak (hence malefic) in a chart, can transit Venus (V2) also become malefic due to the weakness of V1?

venus is a natural benefic....weakness does not take away it's benefic properties completely. If weak by placement of combusted or debilitated, Venus's transits will cause problems, mixed results.....but will be prominent during the MD and AD of Venus


3) Some people write that a planet (A) causes influence on a house or another planet (B) only when it is within 5 deg (max) from the midpoint (Asc degree) of the house or within 5 deg from B. Otherwise the impact is minimum. This is applicable to transit planets as well.
If this is right, then a transit planet (say Rahu) should not cause any havoc/favour a house or a natal planet unless it approaches the proximity (within 5 deg).

What is your observation on this?

there is a theory to judge the apects/ conjunctions/ combustions and transits purely by longitudnal degrees....especially people like PVR Rao seem to promote that extensively.

While I belive closer the longitudnal degrees, the stronger the impact.....it being maximum when the transitting planet crosses exactly the natal planet.

however Parashar's basic creation of houses cannot be ignored. Within the same house the impact is tangible....and increases as the degrees close in.

Major events occur when the transitting planet just about crosses the natal one.....but the affects are felt all throuhg out the stay in the house



4) I find sometimes people mention A causes affliction to B and sometimes not. What is the criteria to know whether it causes affliction or not? Is it based on strength and condition of A? Say, SAT as 8th lord or Rahu or for that matter Venus as 9th lord associating/aspecting B. If they (SAT or Rahu or Venus) are weak then they are treated as afflicting B (means imposing negative side of their significations onB, that too only when the distance is within 5 deg., as per (3)). Otherwise, they do not afflict B..... is this right?

I suggest you read the basic friend / enemy rules.....most books would have them.
Jup for example considered Venus his enemy...while Venus considers jup neutral.
there is a lot of power in the basic parashari principles



5) What type of weakness combustion (to A by SUN) causes? Is it like any other weakness of A? Or only natural significations (but not functional houses owning A) will get weakened?

within the scope of this thread.....we can assume combustion is Bad.....how does it affect the material vs spiritual / emotional significations, is probably the subject of another thread

6) It is belived that Mahadasa (MD) sets over all program and Sub-dasha (AD) deals with details.
Suppose Merc is strong in a chart related to certain issues. Now, ideally Mer-Mer should
be the best period among all and all trends indicated by MD should be realized/done in own
AD, as both MD and AD are of same planet, both MD and AD are in identical
conditions strength wise and the topics/issues connected are identical for MD and AD.
But, often this does not happen. Rather the trends set by MD are realized in AD of another
planet (other than MD planet)... what is the reason?

sorry the query is not very clear

Best regards,

[shilpa]

Hi Shilpa

For virgo ascedent the Venus is the highest benific as it Rules the 2nd and the 9th house if it sits in the First House where it gets Debilated(at virgo) does that mean that it will do more damage to the person?

Dear Dev,
since venus is a natural benefic...it will not lose it's beneficiance compeltely, even in debility.
it will be mixed...but more bad than good for that chart.
It will weaken the 2nd, 9th and the first houses defnitely.

regards

[chavitarun]

[quote="shilpa"][quote="p.mahesh"]
--Rahu is malefic not because it is the weakest...but because it is a malefic.

and it is a malefic because rahu acts like the planet it conjuncts.

here it conjuncts with a weak and malefic mars..and hence malefic]

Respected shilpaji

1. if Mars is yogkarark or lord of two kendra & it conjuct rahu- will rahu still cause bad effect ?

2. what if mars is exalted or in own house in good houses with rahu

3. what if mars is exalted or in own house in dusthan conjucts rahu

4. what if mars getting very good marks in shadbala

5. what venus combust if within 9 degrees of sun -will it be considered as combust
regards


regards

[Dev]

s

[chavitarun]

Hi Shilpa

For virgo ascedent the Venus is the highest benific as it Rules the 2nd and the 9th house if it sits in the First House where it gets Debilated(at virgo) does that mean that it will do more damage to the person?

Dear Dev,
since venus is a natural benefic...it will not lose it's beneficiance compeltely, even in debility.
it will be mixed...but more bad than good for that chart.
It will weaken the 2nd, 9th and the first houses defnitely.

regards

respected shilpaji

it is said that a natural benefic if debiliated & placed in kendra , its debiliation in cancelled
& planet gives good result, unless its dispositor also gets debiliated ie. mercury

pl. tell :
1. whether is it so

2. what if venus is otherwise strong in navamsha & getting more than 30 points in ashtakvargha or
having good shadabal. then whether it will give best results of its ownership or significances of venus
regards

[shilpa]

respected shilpaji

it is said that a natural benefic if debiliated & placed in kendra , its debiliation in cancelled
& planet gives good result, unless its dispositor also gets debiliated ie. mercury

pl. tell :
1. whether is it so

2. what if venus is otherwise strong in navamsha & getting more than 30 points in ashtakvargha or
having good shadabal. then whether it will give best results of its ownership or significances of venus
regards

dear friend,

1) I don't think debilitation ever gets cancelled fully...but that is just my personal interpretation of reading about the Neechabhanga Yoga.
there are many conditions of cancellation of debility.
the more conditions get satisfied....the more debilitated planet gains strength little by little. I don;t think it ever comes to normal full strength for that chart.

2) Yes if Venus is strong in Navamsa, and also in higher dasavarga charts and strong in shadbala...yes it will compensate for it's debilitation in Rasi , especially in planetary Karkatwas.

to me 2) is a much better and stronger compensation than item-1)

regards

[chavitarun]

(quote="shilpa"]
DOB : 17/02/1962,Male
Place : Beawar(Rajasthan)
time : 07.35 AM

"[quote="shilpa")
Dear friend,

--
also a couple of Rajyogas are being formed by the conjunction of 1-5 and 1-10 lords.
the 1-10 Rajyoga is quite powerful as both 1 and 10 lords are either in own house or exalted...a.nd are also quite strong in dasavarga.

--many planets in a house make that house in particular and the chart in general quite a strong one.

--In my read this person in honorable, principled, charitable, religous, healthy strong minded, with a good career/ job-service status


regards[/quote
Respected shilpaji
namaskar

Mr. Swamikool & Ramanan sir said in a chat that it is a complex chart not good for material aspect
is that the reason for not owning a house so far?

1.you have not mentioned about effect of natural malefic sun lord of 7th in lagan with venus,whether
maleficiency of sun is nullified as it is posited with yogkarak Venus. or venus is combust degreewise

2. whether is it due to combust venus lord of 4th & 9th , the native is not having his own home
at the age of about 50 years . or is due to debiliated Jupiter .Current mahaDasha is Venus

Regards

shilpa madam
awating your valuable reply
regards

[shilpa]

Dear Mahesh,

I ended my accidently answering the queries within your post.
but for clarity I post my response separately. Blue parts are my response.

regards

Dear Shilpa,

It is belived that Mahadasa (MD) sets over all program and Sub-dasha (AD) deals with details.
Suppose Merc is strong in a chart related to certain issues. Now, ideally Mer-Mer should
be the best period among all and all trends indicated by MD should be realized/done in own
AD, as both MD and AD are of same planet, both MD and AD are in identical
conditions strength wise and the topics/issues connected are identical for MD and AD.
But, often this does not happen. Rather the trends set by MD are realized in AD of another
planet (other than MD planet)... what is the reason?

What I mean is, if MD lord is strong and say represents profession, since AD lord is identical to MD,
MD-AD should be best period for Profession...

theoritically it should be a good period...yes
Best...hard to say without looking at the entire chart.......bad transitting planets might create problems even during the good MD-AD

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I find sometimes people mention A causes affliction to B and sometimes not. What is the criteria to know whether it causes affliction or not? Is it based on strength and condition of A?

based on ground rules. Rahu can afflict Jup.....but Jup can only turn Rahu into a paositive supporter

To be precise, when do you call A afflicts B? Like when B is weak can we say it afflicts B?

For example: see your earlier replies..

Rahu acts like the planet it conjuncts...and magnifies the positive side of that planet if thta planet is strong in that house. for example Ra conjunct with Jup in pisces will magnify act like maybe 1.5 times a good Jupiter.
Rahu will be positive for this case

Ra conjunct with Jup in Capricorn will take over that house and Jupiter and act like the negative side of Jupiter i.e immorality. This is what I called Rahu afflicting Jupiter and also destroying that Bhava.
Rahu will be a severe malefic for that chart.

Your second para is confusing. If Rahu is associated with weak JUP, it is Rahu which gets harmed due to association with weak JUP. Thus, technically, one has to say JUP afflicts Rahu but not other way....Is it not?
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i strongly recommend you read the thread opened by Khoo on Rahu conjunct vs. standalone and many examples posted there. That will broaden your perspective. If you still have queries on this subject post on that thread, it will be easier to answer.

We see many great innovators like einstein or edison or Raman; Dhiru Bhai etc. Who had raisen becuase
strong originality, innovative new ideas, take initiation etc...
Which planet represents originality, creativity or innovative capacity?

Mercury and postive strong Rahu is the blanket answer...Dhirbahi had ver very strong Rahu in his chart....and you can see his accomlishment were so very "Rahu-ish"......bending / twisting/ manipulating the system ingeniusly to his advantage

However is any planet is extremely strong...it will provide leadership / vison in it's area.
sun in leadership
mars in military/ defense startegy and conventional engineering and agriculture
Venus in beauty products and fashion world
Moon in medical field
and.....so on....

often times it will be a combiantion of more than one planets that will make an innovator / leader.

My suggestion is the look at the chart of famous / succesful people to find what stands out.
that is a great way of learning what combinations of planets makes people ultra-successful



Regards,
Mahesh

[chavitarun]

respected shilpaji
namaskar

Shri Mukesh Ambani chairman of Reliance group has tula lagna with exalted sun in 7th house.
it is generally said that sun (malefic) in 7th is not good for married life.but he is having a good
wife blessed with sons & daughter & she is also world famous & he is big industrialist.
pl. let us know how the maleficiency of sun in 7th got cancelled.
regards

[Dev]

Hi Chavitarun:

I am not intruding into your posts but wanted to share this information. One of my office colleague, a lady has sun in the 7th in simha own house. Her parents have 2 daughters and she is the elder one. They tried so hard for her marriage, they did all pariharas, she has a good job but it never worked and now she is above 55.

Dev

[shilpa]

Look at Dhirubhai's chart:

28, dec, 1932
6:57am
70E26, 20N53


--Rahu in what is considered by many his own house and more importantly standlone in his own Nakshatra...and in an amasabala of 6 in dasavarga charts.

--his chart and life is dominated by rahu...Dhirbhai is a living sumbolism of the creativity, hunger, drive, cleverness,innovation and ingenuity of Rahu

-he rose immensely during the Rahu Mahadasa.

--in addtion shani is strong, in his own house in the 2nd and 3rd.

--while Rahu / Shani in the rasi chart give him the luck, the power and the guiles.....his Dashmsha chart gives very strong leadership.
10th Lord Mars is in his own house conujunct with an exalted Sun.

[chavitarun]

Respected Madam
Namaskar

shilpaj i am talking about his son mr. Mukesh ambani .pl. look into his chart
regards

[shilpa]

respected shilpaji
namaskar

Shri Mukesh Ambani chairman of Reliance group has tula lagna with exalted sun in 7th house.
it is generally said that sun (malefic) in 7th is not good for married life.but he is having a good
wife blessed with sons & daughter & she is also world famous & he is big industrialist.
pl. let us know how the maleficiency of sun in 7th got cancelled.
regards

my father had sun in the 7th house.....his married life was pretty good, and he had two children, who are also doing OK.

i don't think sun in the 7th on it's own can indicate anything conclusively.

regards

[chavitarun]

Name: Mukesh Ambani
Date of Birth: April 19, 1957
POB : Aden, Yemen
TOB: 6-00 pm.
In the Natal Chart of Mukesh Ambani, Sun is exalted, Jupiter and Saturn are retrograde and Jupiter is in the eleventh house. He is born in Shiv Yoga. Mercury is Yogi. Mars is Ava yogi. Dagdha Rashis are Aries and Leo. Moon is in Moola Star ruled by Ketu. His Moon Sign is ruled by Jupiter. Ganesha notes, the position of Sun in Aries with Combust Venus, Mercury and Ketu in the seventh house. This powerful combination of yogas make him a dynamic businessman.

Astro Analysis
Sun in Aries, a fiery sign (Earthly sign), which signifies the business and personal association of Mukesh Ambani with the elites. Mars receives hard aspects from retrograde Saturn which is occupying Scorpio. Mercury is also in conjunction with Ketu. Looking at his natal chart, Ganesha feels that he has strong leadership qualities which propelled him to occupy the position of a CEO.
SOME AUSPICIOUS PLANETARY COMBINATIONS IN THE N/C FOR SUCCESS IN BUSINESS AND GARNERING OF WEALTH
7TH HOUSE - The lord of the Ascendant (Trine and Quadrant lord) in a quadrant in the 7th house (the house for business) along with 9th lord Mercury (the lord of luck and fortune) and exalted 11th lord Sun (the lord of income and gain) being aspected by wealth giving planet Jupiter from 11th house (the house of income and gain) and Rahu (the planet of opulence). Another occupant of the 7th house is Ketu who is giving Yoga Karaka result for being in Kendra associated with trine lords Venus and Mercury. An exceptionally strong planetary combination for success in business. Besides, the Sun (a royal planet) as well as dignified planets likes that of Venus and Mercury conferred the corporate culture in his business.

11TH HOUSE - The lord of the house of income and gain is kingly planet Sun who is exalted in the house of business. Jupiter, the wealth giving planet and natural significator of 11th house is retrograde and posited in the 11th house being aspected by friendly Mars (the lord of the 7th house) and Yoga Karaka Saturn from 2nd house (house of wealth) and Ketu, who has assumed Yoga Kara stature for the position already explained above. However, the occupant of the 11th house Jupiter is weak for being in the state of old age. But, this weakness has been overcome to a large extent due to the extremely high strength of his sign dispositor, receiving aspects from two Yoga Karakas (Saturn and Ketu) as well as he being in the constellation of Sun (exalted) and in the sub of Rahu (a fortified planet in the N/C) coupled with his retrograde motion and occupying powerful sub divisions in all the auspicious divisional charts.
2ND HOUSE - The house of wealth is occupied by Yoga Kara Saturn (retrograde) and is aspected by Mars (7th as well as 2nd lord) and is flanked by his friend Rahu (the planet of opulence in 12th) and Moon (the lord of the 10th house in the Nakshtra of Ketu and in the sub of Saturn) turning her to behave like a friend of Saturn. Rahu is in the constellation of Jupiter moulding him to behave to a large extent as friend of Mars). Thus, the occupant of 2nd house (Saturn) and the lord of the 2nd house (Mars) are flanked in between friendly planets enhancing the significance of the 2nd house (the house of accumulation of wealth and savings) to a sky rocketing level.
YOGA KARAKAS - In this natal chart two planets are acting as Yoga Karakas and both are natural malefics viz. Saturn and Ketu. When malefics turn benefics the success is obstacles free. Rahu another natural malefic planet has also turned here to be a benefic. As such, there is no malefic planet in this chart and the path for excelling highs are obstacle free. However, still there is a Rahu – Ketu axis which is running through Ascendant and 7th house (the house for business and partnership) astrologically having the potential to damage the significations of both the vital houses and the planets posited in it in a sudden spurt during the running of unfavourable period and transit. Such a situation calls for guarding from deceptive elements, which may even emerged from close coterie.

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[chavitarun]

cont... mukesh ambani chart

PLANETARY POSITION IN NAVAMSA CHART (D-9)
Rahu and Ketu are occupying their respective houses of exaltations thus shading their malefiancé to a large extent.
The planets Sun, Moon, Jupiter and Venus are in the navamsas of natural benefic planets and are thus auspicious and capable of giving benefic result.
Moon is in her own Mooltrikona sign in Cancer in a quadrant and is thus extra beneficial conferring the native name, fame, prestige and high position. It is advisable that the native should take the advice of her mother in a squabbling situation.
. Moreover, there are exchange of houses between Mars and Mercury taking the Mercury to his sign of exaltation in Virgo and Mars to his own sign Scorpio significantly increasing the strength of Navamsa chart

[shilpa]

Dear Shilpa,

i strongly recommend you read the thread opened by Khoo on Rahu conjunct vs. standalone and many examples posted there. That will broaden your perspective. If you still have queries on this subject post on that thread, it will be easier to answer.

Yes, I have seen that thread. But in general if A is a weak planet (hence exhibits its negative significations) and is associated with a strong B (hence represents its positive ones); irrespective of whether A is natural/functional benefic or malefic, it implies that it is B which gets harmed due to association with A.
Hence, can we call B is afflicted by A?

Regards,

there are no general rules is what I said earlier...it depends on the planets involved:

1) if Rahu conjuncts a weak planet...such as Venus in Sun's house......Rahu afflicts Ve...and itself turns inot a potent malefic

2) If Rahu conjuncts with jup in Pisces....it turns like Jup and magnifies the impact of Jupiter and itself acts like a positive for that chart.

3) If Me is with Sun...Me gets weak/ afflcited due to combustion...but sun is happy with friend Me.

4) If Ve is with Sun......Venus get's afflicted and combust....and Sun is also afflicted

5) if Sa is with Moon.....Moon is afflicted much more so.....but Sat is not as much.


and so on there will be other pairs also...each one of which is to be treated based on mythological interpersonnel realtionship of planetary gods.

The basic Parashari principles.....
the basic mythological stories about the evolution and emergence of planets and their interpersonnel relationshisp....sound simipilistic....BUT are very powerful in delineating the ground rules required for 85% of the astrological analysis.

regards

[chavitarun]

--Rahu is malefic not because it is the weakest...but because it is a malefic.

and it is a malefic because rahu acts like the planet it conjuncts.

here it conjuncts with a weak and malefic mars..and hence malefic]

Respected shilpaji

1. if Mars is yogkarark or lord of two kendra & it conjuct rahu- will rahu still cause bad effect ?

2. what if mars is exalted or in own house in good houses with rahu

3. what if mars is exalted or in own house in dusthan conjucts rahu

4. what if mars getting very good marks in shadbala

5. what venus combust if within 9 degrees of sun -will it be considered as combust
regards


regards

shilpaji pl. reply

[shilpa]

Dear Shilpa,

if Sa is with Moon.....Moon is afflicted much more so.....but Sat is not as much.

That means even if SAT is exalted (and hence a benefic as per the slokas) SAT still afflicts (causes disturbance to) Moon (may be to lesser extent than when SAT is weak) due to true colours of SAT.
Is it what you mean?

If so, Moon will be better off with JUP or Ven even if they are weak .....than with SAT even though SAT is strong...Becuase what I understood from your posts is, a benefic, even it is weak, at least it will not
harm due to its nature whereas a strong malefic, though it transmiits some positive rays,
it will also cause harm due to its nature, particularly when it gets weak due to transit etc....
Is this right?

yes that's true...saturn wiill be positive for that chart......but it is better for moon to be with a natural friend than a strong natural enemy.

regards

[h_punith]

Hi Shilpa

For virgo ascedent the Venus is the highest benific as it Rules the 2nd and the 9th house if it sits in the First House where it gets Debilated(at virgo) does that mean that it will do more damage to the person?

Dear Dev,
since venus is a natural benefic...it will not lose it's beneficiance compeltely, even in debility.
it will be mixed...but more bad than good for that chart.
It will weaken the 2nd, 9th and the first houses defnitely.

regards

Thank you for your time for replying this post

[shilpa]

Hi Shilpa

For virgo ascedent the Venus is the highest benific as it Rules the 2nd and the 9th house if it sits in the First House where it gets Debilated(at virgo) does that mean that it will do more damage to the person?

Dear Dev,
since venus is a natural benefic...it will not lose it's beneficiance compeltely, even in debility.
it will be mixed...but more bad than good for that chart.
It will weaken the 2nd, 9th and the first houses defnitely.

regards

Thank you for your time for replying this post

you are welcome and I am sorry I addressed you as Dev

[sunny29031]

Hi ...

29-3-1991
11-10am
hyderabad


according to the above details .... and the matter posted in the thread ....please analyse the effects of the forthcoming Rahu mahadasa ...which is in 8th .... with the lord saturn ..aspected by jupiter ..and mars ( which in exchange with mercury )

@ Shilpa ji ... congrats on becoming the moderator ...it's like i have visited this forum after a month ...due to the GRE and toefl exams ....