In fact generally speaking, classics are in agreement that Saturn in the 4th Bhava is no good whatever sign it is placed. 4th Bhava is house of happiness and Saturn is the planet of sorrow. Saturn thwarts the self-realisatio goals of the 4th Bhava.
But for a Libara Ascendant, Saturn is a Yogakaraka and this fact PLUS the fact that it is in Capricorn in a Kendra, ensures that Saturn becomes a wise teacher in tackling the affairs of both houses. This particular configuration of Saturn in 4th for a Libra Ascendant, is specially mentioned in the classic.
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respected Khoo Hock Leong sir
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you have mentioned Saturn in the 4th Bhava is no good whatever sign it is placed. on the other hand
it is being mentioned that it is yogakarak natural malefic. Is is not contradictory ?
i wanted the answer whether in this case saturn mahadasha will be good for both 4th & 5th house
significations
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you have mentioned Saturn in the 4th Bhava is no good whatever sign it is placed. on the other hand
it is being mentioned that it is yogakarak natural malefic. Is is not contradictory ?
i wanted the answer whether in this case saturn mahadasha will be good for both 4th & 5th house
significations
Hi
One basic question : Can u pls shed some light on the term "Vargottam Ascendant". does it mean that the Ascendant in Rashi is same as Ascendant in D-9?
Secondly what if ascendant in Rasi and those in D-9 are not same but are ruled by same planet, for eg. D1 Asc = Aquarius and D9 Asc = Capricorn OR D1 Asc = Libra and D9 = Taurus.
Thirdly if D1 Asc = Karka and D9 Asc = Vrushabha is it reg as Vargottam Asc becuse ruler of Karka becomes exalted in Vrushabha
One basic question : Can u pls shed some light on the term "Vargottam Ascendant". does it mean that the Ascendant in Rashi is same as Ascendant in D-9?
Secondly what if ascendant in Rasi and those in D-9 are not same but are ruled by same planet, for eg. D1 Asc = Aquarius and D9 Asc = Capricorn OR D1 Asc = Libra and D9 = Taurus.
Thirdly if D1 Asc = Karka and D9 Asc = Vrushabha is it reg as Vargottam Asc becuse ruler of Karka becomes exalted in Vrushabha
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Hi Chavaturn
Saturn as a Yogakaraka is good for both 4th and 5th Bhavas a I explained already. It is an exception to the rule that Saturn planced in whatever sign in the 4th Bhava is bad. I repeat, it is an exception to the general rule.
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Saturn as a Yogakaraka is good for both 4th and 5th Bhavas a I explained already. It is an exception to the rule that Saturn planced in whatever sign in the 4th Bhava is bad. I repeat, it is an exception to the general rule.
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Hi amtins
(1) As I mentioned before, "Vargottam Ascendant"means that the Ascendant in Rashi is same as Ascendant in D-9 according to Shastras. But in this forum, Shilpa has already mentioned the usage can be flexible enough to extend to between other divisional charts. If we do not qualify ourselves, the normal meaning is between D-1 and D-9.
(2) In such a scenario you have painted where the planet ruling the Lagna in D-1 and D-9 is the same but the signs are different, it means that the planet is strong since it is ruling two Lagnas of the two most important divisional charts in the person. Nevertheless, it is still not as strong as Vargottam between D-1 and D-9 as other Bhavas in D-1 and D-9 may not each share a common planetary lord with the other Bhava in the other chart unlike in the case of Vargottam between D-1 and D-9.
(3). The answer is no. Vargottam strictly means the signs on both D-1 and D-9 are the same.
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(1) As I mentioned before, "Vargottam Ascendant"means that the Ascendant in Rashi is same as Ascendant in D-9 according to Shastras. But in this forum, Shilpa has already mentioned the usage can be flexible enough to extend to between other divisional charts. If we do not qualify ourselves, the normal meaning is between D-1 and D-9.
(2) In such a scenario you have painted where the planet ruling the Lagna in D-1 and D-9 is the same but the signs are different, it means that the planet is strong since it is ruling two Lagnas of the two most important divisional charts in the person. Nevertheless, it is still not as strong as Vargottam between D-1 and D-9 as other Bhavas in D-1 and D-9 may not each share a common planetary lord with the other Bhava in the other chart unlike in the case of Vargottam between D-1 and D-9.
(3). The answer is no. Vargottam strictly means the signs on both D-1 and D-9 are the same.
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respected Khoo Hock Leong sir
thanks once again
1. one more thing whether saturn or other yogkarak Natural Malefic,s Aspects on
house no. 1,4,7,10,5 & 9 is good or bad
2. what happens if yogkarak Natural Malefic aspects houses 2,3 &11
3. what happens if yogkarak Natural Malefic aspects dusthana houses (6,8,12)
Regards
thanks once again
1. one more thing whether saturn or other yogkarak Natural Malefic,s Aspects on
house no. 1,4,7,10,5 & 9 is good or bad
2. what happens if yogkarak Natural Malefic aspects houses 2,3 &11
3. what happens if yogkarak Natural Malefic aspects dusthana houses (6,8,12)
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Hi
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For Aires, Cancer, Libra and Capricorn Ascendants, the Mercury dasa/antardasa and Jupiter antardasa/dasa is usually not great.
2 of Dusthanas (6th and and 12th) and 1 of the minor Dusthana (the 3rd) comes under their lordship.
More importantly, their association anyway in the chart can sometimes cause problems and obstructions. In houses 2nd, 5th and 11th they can cause fluctions in income, money, intelligence, past life credits (at that point in time and also overall) etc. In kendras, they severely weaken the native's constitution (1st Bhava), happiness (4th Bhava), relationships (7th Bhava) and reputation and career (10th Bhava).
Note that the above results hold even though 1 of them, either Mercury or Jupiter, is a trinal lord. The interlocking of the signs and bhavas they rule are also great during the combination of their periods because common signs are involved. The Aires, Cancer, Libra and Capricorn Ascendant people metally would be vacillating and they should take some rest until this adverse period is passed.
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For Aires, Cancer, Libra and Capricorn Ascendants, the Mercury dasa/antardasa and Jupiter antardasa/dasa is usually not great.
2 of Dusthanas (6th and and 12th) and 1 of the minor Dusthana (the 3rd) comes under their lordship.
More importantly, their association anyway in the chart can sometimes cause problems and obstructions. In houses 2nd, 5th and 11th they can cause fluctions in income, money, intelligence, past life credits (at that point in time and also overall) etc. In kendras, they severely weaken the native's constitution (1st Bhava), happiness (4th Bhava), relationships (7th Bhava) and reputation and career (10th Bhava).
Note that the above results hold even though 1 of them, either Mercury or Jupiter, is a trinal lord. The interlocking of the signs and bhavas they rule are also great during the combination of their periods because common signs are involved. The Aires, Cancer, Libra and Capricorn Ascendant people metally would be vacillating and they should take some rest until this adverse period is passed.
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cjappu wrote:
> Dear Khoo Hock Leong,
> For Capricon ascendant Mercury rules 6th and 9th house. 9th house as we all know
> is house of fortune, luck and this is also an Mooltrikon house for Mercury. Being
> a Mooltrikon house this has more weight as compared to the 6th house hence I feel
> Mercury MD/AD should bring luck to the capriconians.
> this is my view
> Best rgds,
> cjappu
sir
i also agree with you. according to BPHS planet owning 2nd & 12th house gives the result
of their other house (as all planets rules two houses except sun & moon)
here mecury as lord of 9th & 12th will give the result of 9th house only
regards
> Dear Khoo Hock Leong,
> For Capricon ascendant Mercury rules 6th and 9th house. 9th house as we all know
> is house of fortune, luck and this is also an Mooltrikon house for Mercury. Being
> a Mooltrikon house this has more weight as compared to the 6th house hence I feel
> Mercury MD/AD should bring luck to the capriconians.
> this is my view
> Best rgds,
> cjappu
sir
i also agree with you. according to BPHS planet owning 2nd & 12th house gives the result
of their other house (as all planets rules two houses except sun & moon)
here mecury as lord of 9th & 12th will give the result of 9th house only
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Dear cjappu
I am not talking about Mercury-Mercury periods (for Capricorn or Libra Ascendants). Neither am I talking about Jupiter-Jupiter periods (for Cancer or Aires Ascendants).
I am talking about Merucry-Jupiter period or Jupiter-Mercury period.
For the latter, the fact that all common signs are involved causing the interlocking of the 3rd, 6th, 9th and 12th houses cause the Dusthana effects to swamp the trinal effect.
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I am not talking about Mercury-Mercury periods (for Capricorn or Libra Ascendants). Neither am I talking about Jupiter-Jupiter periods (for Cancer or Aires Ascendants).
I am talking about Merucry-Jupiter period or Jupiter-Mercury period.
For the latter, the fact that all common signs are involved causing the interlocking of the 3rd, 6th, 9th and 12th houses cause the Dusthana effects to swamp the trinal effect.
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Hi
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Why does the 4th Bhava represent the masses? After all the 10th Bhava is the house of authority over othrs where your works and deeds benefits society if the planets there are well placed.
Well the 4th Bhava rules the Mother Earth ie. the ground that holds all of us up. When we walk on this Earth, it supports us through our feet not just you and me but everybody. Hence the 4th Bhava denotes how we SERVEE the masses and its not just about power and glory over others.
If you find an astrologer with Saturn in the 4th Bhava, although it is no good for close relationships or inner temperament and also it tends to destroy happiness, at least you can be sure he would serve the masses with sincerity!!
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Why does the 4th Bhava represent the masses? After all the 10th Bhava is the house of authority over othrs where your works and deeds benefits society if the planets there are well placed.
Well the 4th Bhava rules the Mother Earth ie. the ground that holds all of us up. When we walk on this Earth, it supports us through our feet not just you and me but everybody. Hence the 4th Bhava denotes how we SERVEE the masses and its not just about power and glory over others.
If you find an astrologer with Saturn in the 4th Bhava, although it is no good for close relationships or inner temperament and also it tends to destroy happiness, at least you can be sure he would serve the masses with sincerity!!
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Your Lagna Lord in Rasi chart when brought up from Navamsa to the Rasi and secondarily to a lesser extent the Navamsa Lagna Lord likewise, are important indicators how great or famous you can become this lifetime.
Barack Obama's Lagna Lord in Rasi is Saturn. Saturn when brought up from the Navamsa sits right on top of his Ascendant in Rasi Chart.
His Navamsa Lagna Lord is the Sun and when brought up from Navamsa sits together with his Moon in Rasi Cahrt position. A sign of royalty.
In earlier posts I mention that the 2nd Bhava to your Namvsa Lagna gives you fame and fortune as expounded by Sarajit Poddar. In my case since my Navamsa Lagna is Leo, the sign Virgo is on the 2nd Bhava in the Navamsa chart with my Lagna Lord of Rasi Chart, the Moon there.
When my Moon is brought up to the Rasi chart, it goes to the 3rd Bhava of writing. Even though it is an Apoklima House and by right should be the weakest, but because it is the sign on the 2nd Bhava to the Navamsa Lagna, it garners fame and fortune.
My Navamsa Lagna lord which is the Sun brought up to the Rasi chart goes to the 6th Bhava. This is a position for administration.
So watch out for these positions in the Navamsa Chart : Your Lagna Lord of Rasi, Your Navamsa Lagna Lord, the trinal lords of the 5th and 9th Bhavas in the Rasi chart. Four planets to look out for.
Dusthana Lords of Rasi Chart would have certain position in the Navamsa Chart. Preferably when these positions are brought up to the Rasi Chart they land in Dusthanas resulting VPRY as in my case for Mercury and Saturn.
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Your Lagna Lord in Rasi chart when brought up from Navamsa to the Rasi and secondarily to a lesser extent the Navamsa Lagna Lord likewise, are important indicators how great or famous you can become this lifetime.
Barack Obama's Lagna Lord in Rasi is Saturn. Saturn when brought up from the Navamsa sits right on top of his Ascendant in Rasi Chart.
His Navamsa Lagna Lord is the Sun and when brought up from Navamsa sits together with his Moon in Rasi Cahrt position. A sign of royalty.
In earlier posts I mention that the 2nd Bhava to your Namvsa Lagna gives you fame and fortune as expounded by Sarajit Poddar. In my case since my Navamsa Lagna is Leo, the sign Virgo is on the 2nd Bhava in the Navamsa chart with my Lagna Lord of Rasi Chart, the Moon there.
When my Moon is brought up to the Rasi chart, it goes to the 3rd Bhava of writing. Even though it is an Apoklima House and by right should be the weakest, but because it is the sign on the 2nd Bhava to the Navamsa Lagna, it garners fame and fortune.
My Navamsa Lagna lord which is the Sun brought up to the Rasi chart goes to the 6th Bhava. This is a position for administration.
So watch out for these positions in the Navamsa Chart : Your Lagna Lord of Rasi, Your Navamsa Lagna Lord, the trinal lords of the 5th and 9th Bhavas in the Rasi chart. Four planets to look out for.
Dusthana Lords of Rasi Chart would have certain position in the Navamsa Chart. Preferably when these positions are brought up to the Rasi Chart they land in Dusthanas resulting VPRY as in my case for Mercury and Saturn.
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Actually the trine lords of the 5th and 9th Bhavas in the Navamsa chart, we can take note what are they and see where they are in the Rasi chart when they are brought up to those respective positions.
But they are VERY MUCH LESS IMPORTANT but they do give the necessary support in a heavily afflicted chart. Noramlly for divisional charts, we tend to concentrate on the divisional chart lagna lord.
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Actually the trine lords of the 5th and 9th Bhavas in the Navamsa chart, we can take note what are they and see where they are in the Rasi chart when they are brought up to those respective positions.
But they are VERY MUCH LESS IMPORTANT but they do give the necessary support in a heavily afflicted chart. Noramlly for divisional charts, we tend to concentrate on the divisional chart lagna lord.
Warmest Regards
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We already know from classics that Rahu gains are usually ephemeral (it is a shadowy planet). It usually goes off after its period is over. One way to make its gains more permanent is to have Rahu strong in the chart. Rahu in your chart would then fight to make the gains more permanent. A strong Rahu has alreday been discussed in earlier posts.
Now it is interesting to note that Jupiter's period comes after Rahu. So another way to shore up Rahu's gains, is to prepare in advance your forthcoming Jupiter period. Whether yantras, mantras or whatever, do it to the hilt so that when Jupiter's period comes, you can obtain Jupiter's blessings in full.
Even for those whose Ascendant shows they have a weak functional lord in Jupiter, try to emphasise the karakatwa properties of Jupiter. Also Jupiter is the 9th and 12th natural rulers. Strengthening these Bhavas for eg. by strengthening their functional lords in your chart, also serve to deposit all the strengths obtained from strengthening 9th and 12th Bhavas into Jupiter ie. make it stronger.
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Next principle ....
We already know from classics that Rahu gains are usually ephemeral (it is a shadowy planet). It usually goes off after its period is over. One way to make its gains more permanent is to have Rahu strong in the chart. Rahu in your chart would then fight to make the gains more permanent. A strong Rahu has alreday been discussed in earlier posts.
Now it is interesting to note that Jupiter's period comes after Rahu. So another way to shore up Rahu's gains, is to prepare in advance your forthcoming Jupiter period. Whether yantras, mantras or whatever, do it to the hilt so that when Jupiter's period comes, you can obtain Jupiter's blessings in full.
Even for those whose Ascendant shows they have a weak functional lord in Jupiter, try to emphasise the karakatwa properties of Jupiter. Also Jupiter is the 9th and 12th natural rulers. Strengthening these Bhavas for eg. by strengthening their functional lords in your chart, also serve to deposit all the strengths obtained from strengthening 9th and 12th Bhavas into Jupiter ie. make it stronger.
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Note there is an exxception to the above about propitiating the 12th Bhava functional lord to strengthen a functional malefic Jupiter in a chart. This is because the 12th Bhava is after all a Dusthana.
If the functional lord of the 12th Bhava is NOT a trine lord, then do not propitiate the 12th Bhava functional lord. The functional lord itself could be Jupiter or any other planets.
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Note there is an exxception to the above about propitiating the 12th Bhava functional lord to strengthen a functional malefic Jupiter in a chart. This is because the 12th Bhava is after all a Dusthana.
If the functional lord of the 12th Bhava is NOT a trine lord, then do not propitiate the 12th Bhava functional lord. The functional lord itself could be Jupiter or any other planets.
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respected Khoo Hock Leong sirKhoo Hock Leong wrote:Hi Chavaturn
Saturn as a Yogakaraka is good for both 4th and 5th Bhavas a I explained already. It is an exception to the rule that Saturn planced in whatever sign in the 4th Bhava is bad. I repeat, it is an exception to the general rule.
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Hock Leong
thanks once again
1. one more thing whether saturn or other yogkarak Natural Malefic,s Aspects on
house no. 1,4,7,10,5 & 9 is good or bad
2. what happens if yogkarak Natural Malefic aspects houses 2,3 &11
3. what happens if yogkarak Natural Malefic aspects dusthana houses (6,8,12)
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Hi Murad:
Which country is that, I assume it is +4hours(east of GMT)?
I have your horoscope in Jhora but I dont know how to send as attachment here.
Details here:
Rasi chart
Mithun lagna
2nd house mars debilitated
5th house (Ve), (Me), Ra, Ju, Su
9th (Sa)
11th Ke, Mo
Su and Ma are debilitated and 3 planets are retrograde Me, Ve, Sa
Navamsa
Lagna Meena
2nd Rahu
3rd Ju, Mo, Ve
8th Su, ke
9th Me, Ma
11th Sa
Hope this helps.
Dev
Which country is that, I assume it is +4hours(east of GMT)?
I have your horoscope in Jhora but I dont know how to send as attachment here.
Details here:
Rasi chart
Mithun lagna
2nd house mars debilitated
5th house (Ve), (Me), Ra, Ju, Su
9th (Sa)
11th Ke, Mo
Su and Ma are debilitated and 3 planets are retrograde Me, Ve, Sa
Navamsa
Lagna Meena
2nd Rahu
3rd Ju, Mo, Ve
8th Su, ke
9th Me, Ma
11th Sa
Hope this helps.
Dev
Hi Khoo
Kemudrama Yoga exists if there are malefics in the 2nd and 8th of either from the Arudha Lagna or the Lagna. The malefics have to be equally balanced in both the houses.
According to Somanatha (one of the commentators of the Jaimini Sutras), the effects become more malefic when aspected by the Moon (the malefic points that is).
I do not have Kemudra Yoga from Lagna but I do have it from Arudha Lagna.
2nd to my Arudha Lagna has Mercury but it conjuncts Ketu brought up from Navamsa. 8th to my Arudha Lagna has Mars and North Node broguht up from Navamsa. The malefics in both of these houses are equally balanced.
I see you have Aries as AL and cancer as lagna. From AL, you have moon in 10th with sat and ketu, guru is in 11th. Then how is it that you have kemadruma yoga? Pl explain?
Dev
Kemudrama Yoga exists if there are malefics in the 2nd and 8th of either from the Arudha Lagna or the Lagna. The malefics have to be equally balanced in both the houses.
According to Somanatha (one of the commentators of the Jaimini Sutras), the effects become more malefic when aspected by the Moon (the malefic points that is).
I do not have Kemudra Yoga from Lagna but I do have it from Arudha Lagna.
2nd to my Arudha Lagna has Mercury but it conjuncts Ketu brought up from Navamsa. 8th to my Arudha Lagna has Mars and North Node broguht up from Navamsa. The malefics in both of these houses are equally balanced.
I see you have Aries as AL and cancer as lagna. From AL, you have moon in 10th with sat and ketu, guru is in 11th. Then how is it that you have kemadruma yoga? Pl explain?
Dev
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Hi Dev
My Kemudrama Yoga is this.
2nd from AL is Ketu brought up from Navamsa to Rasi. 8th to AL is Rahu+Mars brought up from Navamsa to Rasi. Thus it satisfies the Kemudrama Yoga condition expounded (this version).
Use True Node so that Ketu goes into the 2nd Bhava from AL ie. the 11th Bhava. Otherwise if you use Mean Node Ketu would go into the 12th Bhava which is the 3rd Bhava from AL.
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My Kemudrama Yoga is this.
2nd from AL is Ketu brought up from Navamsa to Rasi. 8th to AL is Rahu+Mars brought up from Navamsa to Rasi. Thus it satisfies the Kemudrama Yoga condition expounded (this version).
Use True Node so that Ketu goes into the 2nd Bhava from AL ie. the 11th Bhava. Otherwise if you use Mean Node Ketu would go into the 12th Bhava which is the 3rd Bhava from AL.
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Dear sir,Khoo Hock Leong wrote:Hi
Next principle .....
Vargottama (planet in the same sign in both D-1 and D-9) is strong and good even if the said planet is ruling a Dusthana. It means that the planet has a consistent way in handling the affairs of the house in which it rules in the Rasi chart (because of Rasi Tulya Navamsa).
Note : Navamsa Tulya Rasi ie. the other way of superimposition from Rasi to Navamsa is sually more for transit purposes.
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1. Venus is lord of 6th & 11th for Sagitarius is vargottam . Will it give good result result or will
it produce bad result in its MD & AD. In birth chart venus is in 9th house with Ketu & Mars.
2. Mar( Natural Malefic) Lord of 5th & 12th with venus in 9th house will spoil venus or will be good ,
as it is said that lord of triKona in another trikona is good
3. if maleficiecy of MArs gets reduced when placed in Trikona house
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Hi
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This is another Dhana Yoga from clsssics.
If the Moon is in own sign, friendly sign or exalation sign in the Navamsha chart, AND it is aspected by either Venus or Jupiter, the person would be wealthy.
My Moon is in Virgo a sign friendly to the Moon. It is aspected by the Dristi of Jupiter in common signs. Jupiter sits directly opposite my Moon.
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Next principle ......
This is another Dhana Yoga from clsssics.
If the Moon is in own sign, friendly sign or exalation sign in the Navamsha chart, AND it is aspected by either Venus or Jupiter, the person would be wealthy.
My Moon is in Virgo a sign friendly to the Moon. It is aspected by the Dristi of Jupiter in common signs. Jupiter sits directly opposite my Moon.
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Hi
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We know when the dasa changes, the forthcoming dasa whether good or bad depends on the position of the Moon and the dasa lord at the start of the dasa. This is from classics.
From the above, predict that when the dasa changes while planets are transitting in favourable positions in the chart, there is a more likely chance that the dasa period would be favourable as the Moon and the dasa lord would be in relative favourable positions from the transitting planets including themselves.
Similarly on the other hand, if the dasa changes when planets are transitting in unfavourable positions in your chart, predict that it is more likely that your dasa period is going to be unfavourble.
Warmest Regards
Hock Leong
Next principle .....
We know when the dasa changes, the forthcoming dasa whether good or bad depends on the position of the Moon and the dasa lord at the start of the dasa. This is from classics.
From the above, predict that when the dasa changes while planets are transitting in favourable positions in the chart, there is a more likely chance that the dasa period would be favourable as the Moon and the dasa lord would be in relative favourable positions from the transitting planets including themselves.
Similarly on the other hand, if the dasa changes when planets are transitting in unfavourable positions in your chart, predict that it is more likely that your dasa period is going to be unfavourble.
Warmest Regards
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