Will you complete graduation, post-graduation or doctorate?

[vidyakulkarni]

Hi Shilpaji,
Can you please see my son's chart? he wants to do PHD in electrical engg. will he able to do it?
his birth info
24th September 1993
time: 13: 10
place: Sangli, maharashtra, India
Regards,
Vidya

[shilpa]

Hi Shilpaji,
Can you please see my son's chart? he wants to do PHD in electrical engg. will he able to do it?
his birth info
24th September 1993
time: 13: 10
place: Sangli, maharashtra, India
Regards,
Vidya

what is his current academic status ?

[vidyakulkarni]

Hi ShilpaJi,
He did his 12th now and got admission for electrical engineering (undergrad) in best university here in CA.
Please look into his birth chart.
Regards,
Vidya

[shilpa]

Hi ShilpaJi,
He did his 12th now and got admission for electrical engineering (undergrad) in best university here in CA.
Please look into his birth chart.
Regards,
Vidya

i got your email also.
i will get abck to you.
regards

[shilpa]

Hi ShilpaJi,
He did his 12th now and got admission for electrical engineering (undergrad) in best university here in CA.
Please look into his birth chart.
Regards,
Vidya

i got your email also.
i will get abck to you.
regards

dear vidya,

--4th Lord of early education is Jup, the karak of knowledge..... is conjucnt with the 9th lord of higher education in the 10th house.

--Me the karak for academic brilliance is in his own house in Virgo ( exalted).

--9th and 10th Lords are conjunct in 10th house forming a power full Raj Dharm Karam Adhipati Yoga.

--3rd Lord shani is in his own house.....confirming excellent social, communication, writing skills and extremely strong in dasavarga chart is shanidev...with an amasabala of 7

--5th house of creativity and intellect and 12th Lord Mars is also quite strong in the dasavarga charts.

--the boy has outstanding academic skills, knowldege and intellect...and will rise high in his career.

Do not worry about him...at all.

regards

[shilpa]

Hi Shilpa,
i guess u missed my post...pls look into my son's Eucation

6:59am
26-11-05
Hyderabad

Regards
Sunil rupani

dear sunil,
--4th lord sat is in the 9th house of moon in rasi....and moon sits in mercury's house and afflcited by Ketu

--Rasi chart suggests becaise of the association between 4th and 9th......completion of higher eductaion.....albeit with some efforts and overcoming some challanges...because of innimical placement of 4th and 9th lords.

Let's look at the siddhamsa

--4th Lord Venus is exalted in the 9th house of Jup...thereby assuring that there is smooth transition to graduation.

--Jup the lord of 9th aspects sun, the Lord of 2nd...implying smooth transition from the graduation to postgraduation.
However Rah-Ketu sitting in the 2nd implies a lot of effort and some chllanages on the way.

--so in summary he will complete edication but there will be challnages/ distraction.
as parent you will do well not to put too much pressure on him, identify his skill areas early enough and guide him towards his areas of interest and skills.


regards

[Vaughn Paul]

Hi Shilpa and all,
I don't agree with leaving out 5th house or 5th lord with regards to analyzing education in the D-1 or D-24. It's a controversial topic to discuss what exactly are the houses of education. Here is my understanding for what it's worth. The 2nd house for the oral tradition and what we learn informally from parents/family. 3rd house is trade school. 4th house is pre-college compulsory education. 5th house is non-compulsory college education where we get to choose our classes/major. 9th house is post-graduate studies. Parashara is very clear that 5th house is the house of vidya - knowledge. It's also the house of dharma, and represents our deep interests. Therefore, it comes into play when we can choose what to study. The 4th house is fundamental education, the foundation of career and public work, since it's opposite the 10th house. I use the Siddhamsha also called the Chaturvimshamsha all the time for education questions. It's very accurate and helpful. I have so many times found the 5th house coming into play as well as Mercury and Jupiter for periods of study. As well as 9th house for advanced studies. Again I think it's a mistake to overlook the 5th house for education. K.N. Rao also teaches that one should look at the 5th house fro Mercury too, and he teaches the 5th house as the primary house of education. I hope this helps. Vaughn Paul

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Hi Mr. Vaughn and All

I have always followed the way you delineate for education in D-1.

But for D-24, when I follow Shilpa's precepts taken from Visti Larsen research, it seems to work for my chart anyhow.

So it looks like D-1 and D-24 has different ways of delineating.

Somehow precepts expounded by prominent astrologers works whatever the case. Just voicing my contribution to this thread.

Warmest Regards
Hock Leong

[shilpa]

Dear Vaughn Paul and Khoo,
Thanks for adding your knowledge and experience to this discussion.

--It is true that the number of houses that one can look at for studies, education, talents are many and also a subject of debates.

--In my understanding and experience 2nd, 3th, 4th, 5th and 9th in D1 are all in some ways linked with academic abilities, talents, formal education, higher eductaion.

More Specifically:

--2nd in addtion to being the dhan sthan ( wealth house)...also indicates the natural resources that one is born with including innate academic talents and the surrounding home environment facilittating or obstructing it.
a malefic node for example in the 2nd may show the home environment is not conducive to supporting one academic pursuits. But further validations would require looking into D-24.

--3rd denotes social skills, 2 ways communications and learning froms the society/ community around us...and also writing skills ( no wonder Me rule the natural 3rd house of the zodiac)

--4th denotes process of formal schooling ( pre-univeristy)...and hence many people would look at this house more closely when answerign questions on formal schooling issues.

--5th is the house of creative abilities, special talents ( such as singing , debating), intellect PLUS the denoted house for mantras and prayers and hence the one that would be looked upon from the vedic principles if Guru-shishya ( master-disciple) type education is being imparted in scriptures.
Hence the primary hosue to be looked at for Vidya/ teaching / learning of scriptures.

--9th is the house of specializations i.e higher learning...and formal degrees/ post graduations from the Rasi chart.

--D24 ( Sidhammsa) would be the chart to look at greater specifcis and Visit Larsen's research based approach is one of the ways of delineating the formal degree, post graduations and doctorals type multiple degrees part of the academics.
Larsen and some other modern reserachers propose looking at 4th for basic, 9th for undergrad, 2nd for masters and 7th for the doctoral in the D-24.

--However there are alternative ways also of looking not just the academic degrees part...but also the talent part from D-24.

regards

[Vaughn Paul]

Dear Shilpa and others,
I would add that the 5th house is not just spiritual knowledge, but learning and acquiring knowledge be it secular or spiritual. As the house of intelligence, it also denotes applying our intellect in the process of learning. When someone enters the dasha of the 5th lord and/or Mercury, I have consistently seen an increase in interest in learning, whether it's formal or informal learning. Often it's seen as a time for entering an academic environment. I think of the 5th house as our passion, deep interests, what we want to learn that gives us meaning and purpose, and helps us fulfill our dharma. And also what we want to create, and apply our knowledge. It makes the most sense to me that it represents college, post high school education where we have to consider what we really want to do. Pre-college school is a lot of fulfilling obligatory learning of the 3 R's, the fundamentals which I attribute more to the 4th house. I've been able to reliably depend on the 9th house for post graduate studies. I don't see the logic of looking at the 7th house for this, regardless if it's the D-1 or D-24. If someone can explain why this makes sense I'd be interested in hearing about this. Vaughn Paul

[shilpa]

Dear Shilpa and others,
I would add that the 5th house is not just spiritual knowledge, but learning and acquiring knowledge be it secular or spiritual. As the house of intelligence, it also denotes applying our intellect in the process of learning. When someone enters the dasha of the 5th lord and/or Mercury, I have consistently seen an increase in interest in learning, whether it's formal or informal learning. Often it's seen as a time for entering an academic environment. I think of the 5th house as our passion, deep interests, what we want to learn that gives us meaning and purpose, and helps us fulfill our dharma. And also what we want to create, and apply our knowledge. It makes the most sense to me that it represents college, post high school education where we have to consider what we really want to do. Pre-college school is a lot of fulfilling obligatory learning of the 3 R's, the fundamentals which I attribute more to the 4th house. I've been able to reliably depend on the 9th house for post graduate studies. I don't see the logic of looking at the 7th house for this, regardless if it's the D-1 or D-24. If someone can explain why this makes sense I'd be interested in hearing about this. Vaughn Paul

Dear Vaughn Paul,

Thanks for confirming and we all kind of agreeing on the 4th house as the seat of early and school educations.

Now look at the 4,9, 2 and 7th house series......they are 6th house from each other !

i.e 9th is 6th from 4th; and 2nd is 6th from 9th; and 7th is 6th from 2nd.
they are based on the Upachaya principle of growth......so the native grows from pirmary to graduation to masters to doctoral....if there is a link / association between these houses and no interruption by nodes in between.

regards

[shinu.mehrotra]

Enough of the theoretical discussions, time for some reality check-

what is the level and stream of education for this guy-

13-sep-1982
3:20pm
Allahabad
India

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Dear Vaugh Paul

In D-24 the karya house is the 12th Bhava denoting unlearning - taking 24 divide by 12 and you get 0.

At the doctoral stage, if a student is able to choose a thesis that actually revamp the current popular thinking in a discipline at the professor level, he would have deemed to have chosen and completed a doctorate thesis that is very useful for the academic world - to shake its paradigmatic foundation so to speak.

Now the 7th Bhava is the 8th to the 12th Bhava. The 7th Bhava thus fuels the shake-up of the commonly held paradigms that are being held by the acadmic community at that very moment when the doctoral thesis is being researched and published.

Warmest Regards
Hock Leong

[R V RAMANAN]

Dear Khoo

If we look at the 7th house through bhavath bhava then 7th is 4th to 4th and hence has a say in education.

The 7th house being the 11th house to the 9th means the Sound foundation or accomplishment alone gives you an entry into research pursuits.

Hence, 7th plays a prominent part in education.

Regards
Ramanan

[Vaughn Paul]

Dear All,
I just wanted to add what K.N. Rao says in the intro to Naval Singh's book, Planets and Education. Again, this topic of Education can get heated since there's broad disagreements generally speaking between North and South Indian astrologers, as Rao refers to in this quote:

"As far as education is concerned, 2nd house may be attributed with 10% of the total attributes, 4th house has to be honored with 30%, and 5th house with 60%. Here lies a great difference between the North and astrologers from the Southern part of India who consider 4th house being the main house for education vis a vis the role of 5th house in Northern India."

For what it's worth there's another contribution to this discussion. Vaughn Paul

[krishnagopal1968]

Dear All,

This is the first time I am hearing about 7th house being referred for education!

It seems we are stretching too much the concept of upachayas and bhavat bhavams.

Only as Shinu points out actual observation of as many charts would solve this. Let us not get into theoretical permutations and to get confused, thus create a "collective astrological karma"

I completely agree with Vaughn Ji for taking 5th house for degree and 9th for post graduation. In addition to this 8th house also is to be taken for research studies.

[shinu.mehrotra]

Hi Krishnaji,

As your name suggests, you must be always surrounded by Gopis

BTW, what's ur take on the chart?

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Hi B V Raman

Your explanation for 7th Bhava is alright but it applies only to the D-1 where we take the 9th as the higher education house. But in D-24 we take the 9th only as undergraduate studies (basic education) and the 4th as pre-university education.

The Lagna in D-24 stands for education per se. So the 4th to it is the basic foundation which is the pre-university education which is more basic than the 4th in D-1.

Taking the 6th from the 4th you get 9th which is undergraduate studeis.

The reason why all the houses shift between D-1 and D-24 is basically the karya house has shffted from the 1st Bhava to the 12th Bhava as we go from the D-1 to the D-24. Your Bhavat Bhavam principle can explain both D-1 and D-24 in the sense that 7th has something to do with education but while it gives the explanation 100% in the D-1 chart, it does not really explain full why DOCTORATE qualification is associated with the 7th Bhava in the D-24.

Warmest Regards
Hock Leong

[Khoo Hock Leong]

In other words the 4th house in D-1 is the basic education house to earn a living. But the 4th house in D-24 is the basic education house for a person to be called CIVILISED.

That is the difference!

[R V RAMANAN]

Dear KHOO,

I was referring to D 1 only as i feel that there is a much higher signification to sidhdhamsa which i feel is to be seen for the potential to un learn as the karya house is the 12th and the karakas mercury and jupiter signifying
discriminative faculty and higher intelligence respectively.the d24 helps us to analyse may be our spiritual potential much more than mere college theoritical education.

regards
ramanan

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Dear R V Raman

Yes, it is true but only to a certain extent.

If you look at my latest post on karakas for vargas, the D-20 shows a lot of things pertaining to spiritual matters including things like

Mercury in D-20 for Spiritual Discernment
Mercury in D-20 for Mantra/Buddhi
Mercury in D-20 for Yantras/Spells

Jupiter in D-20 for Guru

whereas for D-24 things covered by Mercury and Jupiter are

Mercury in D-24 for Initiatory Instructions
Mercury in D-24 for Learning by Rote
Mercruy in D-24 for Occult Knowledge

Jupiter in D-24 for Teacher
Jupiter in D-24 for Knowledge/Education

From the above you can see that more spiritual matters are covered by D-20 than D-24 under Mercury and Jupiter but education matters are exclusively covered by Mercury and Jupiter in D-24.

I think the most important spiritual matter covered in D-24 is by Mercury for Initiatory Instructions. The rest are all covered under D-20.

But education matter under Mercury and Jupiter do have a large slice of the pie under D-24 like Jupiter for Knowledge/Education in D-24 and Mercury Learning by Rote in D-24. And unlearning in the Karya house of 12th Bhava in D-24 thus goes with these concepts as well ie. education matters.

So what you say about unlearning only pertaining to spiritual matters under Mercury and Jupiter is not really true.

Warmest Regards
Hock Leong

[krishnagopal1968]

Shinu,

Let senior members analyse this chart and break their heads, why me?!!

Still as u asked, let me try. bear with me, if i am wrong.

From lagna, mars aspect 5th house and 5th lord venus in ketu star but in 8th house.

From mercury, moon aspects 5th house, but 5th lord saturn with mercury in mars star.

Running dasa during educative years is saturn which is in 9th house.

Technical education is shown and from a smaller level native would have improved to higher levels.

[R V RAMANAN]

Dear Khoo,

All the points you have given in yr above post are perfectly rational. no arguments on that.But just look at the names given to d20 and d24.they are upasanamsa and sidhdhamsa. the d 20 dilineates more of the practices regarding spirituality, namely yr prayers chantings or meditation or charity or whatever and your spiritual company master etc.

but the d24 gives the results of the fructification of the upasana the purpose of which is to unlearn.the word sidhdha means a person who has accomplished an acheivement in spiritual terms , so i have always felt that the karya house being the 12th it means transcending conscious knowledge here.After transcending the known what surfaces from the sub conscious is discriminated by mercuru and assimilated as wisdom by jupiter. hence they hold the portfolios as karaka for d24.

regards
ramanan