Ms.Tirthachengappa:
I also feel so. Well as with good yogas too, where people with Gajakeasri yoga, there is no 100% of that yoga activated, so they dont become king, similarly with neecha bhanga raja yoga. Bhanga may be there but would it be so much that it can cause a raja yoga. While good yogas dont fructify to the fullest extent, bad yogas also dont to the fullest, there could be cancellations of good as well as bad yogas making them milder.
This is what happens in most horoscopes that is what I feel.
Dev
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Dev ji you are correct, the total effect of a horoscope is judged by assessing the Good yogas and Bad yogas, then deducting the Good yogas with the bad yogas. The net reminder is the total effect of the horoscope. In some cases, a good effect and a bad effect can run parallel. Say if there is yoga for sickness, and yoga for great earnings, the person might fall sick at a crucial time when he could have maximized his earnings. His inability to work leaves him with a lot less that he could have achieved during that good period.
Through hard work and spiritual practices, a person gets honor and dignity. The lazy one who puts in no efforts is like a fool who allows salt to be spilled on the wounds of his misfortunes. The idler depending only on fate, achieves nothing. - K.N.Rao ji
Thanks Astroboy. Yes, I remember you having said before that no strong yoga in a horoscope acts to the fullest extent. if it had done so, there would have been so many kings. When the good and bad yogas run in parallel as you said, the person may be admitted to the Hospital but would be drinking apple juice and eating idlis from 5 star Hotel.
It is better than one has net effect than to have them in parallel. It is like a person getting a PhD and his wife passes away. What sort of emotion could he have then? At the most he may have an exalted moon afflicted by malefics may be? Exaltation gives good results and afflictions give bad ones in parallel since there is tug of war between moon and the malefics.
Dev
It is better than one has net effect than to have them in parallel. It is like a person getting a PhD and his wife passes away. What sort of emotion could he have then? At the most he may have an exalted moon afflicted by malefics may be? Exaltation gives good results and afflictions give bad ones in parallel since there is tug of war between moon and the malefics.
Dev
See this Horoscope
Female
20 01 1962
6 :00 AM
Mangalore
This is one total gone case. Here every point mentioned by Rao ji has come startlingly true. She married a man who was already married with children, who is a perfect rogue, involved in making fake currency, is a drunkard and a good for nothing. She lost her relationship with her parents,brothers, sisters and family, total lack of happiness, has no children of her own, is suffering from Filaria, She is a Graduate with a B Ed, even then, she has no stable job. She is forced to extend her hands for help. She has no religion because the church threw her out for marrying outside the community. Lives a hand to mouth existence now.
Female
20 01 1962
6 :00 AM
Mangalore
This is one total gone case. Here every point mentioned by Rao ji has come startlingly true. She married a man who was already married with children, who is a perfect rogue, involved in making fake currency, is a drunkard and a good for nothing. She lost her relationship with her parents,brothers, sisters and family, total lack of happiness, has no children of her own, is suffering from Filaria, She is a Graduate with a B Ed, even then, she has no stable job. She is forced to extend her hands for help. She has no religion because the church threw her out for marrying outside the community. Lives a hand to mouth existence now.
Through hard work and spiritual practices, a person gets honor and dignity. The lazy one who puts in no efforts is like a fool who allows salt to be spilled on the wounds of his misfortunes. The idler depending only on fate, achieves nothing. - K.N.Rao ji
yes i have both combination of this yoga.Hi Jig:
I think I haven't seen people having both Kemadruma and Kalpadruma yogas together. It may be very very rare. Other than that you have similarity with Mahatma Gandhi's horoscope and you are likely to become a king.
What more do you want?
Dev
of course my chart is matching with gandhi ji.
Still ye dil mage more.. Lol
thanks a lot.
Regards
jig
Hii,
I want to input some (My) beliefs on Kemadruma bhanga yoga.
1) When moon is placed in anywhere in kendra.
2) When moon is exalted and placed in Lagna, moreover if it is in his own nakshatra then it is the icing on the cake.
3) Also see the 4th house, which is karak of our mind, if moon is placed there in own house, there is bhanga.
4) when moon placed in 12th house, person sometime feels lonely because its a loss of mind, despite off planet placed in both sides of it. It is also a one type of kemadruma yoga. (this is my personal view, i have seen it in some charts)
5) Also see the shadbala strength.
Regards
Nilesh
I want to input some (My) beliefs on Kemadruma bhanga yoga.
1) When moon is placed in anywhere in kendra.
2) When moon is exalted and placed in Lagna, moreover if it is in his own nakshatra then it is the icing on the cake.
3) Also see the 4th house, which is karak of our mind, if moon is placed there in own house, there is bhanga.
4) when moon placed in 12th house, person sometime feels lonely because its a loss of mind, despite off planet placed in both sides of it. It is also a one type of kemadruma yoga. (this is my personal view, i have seen it in some charts)
5) Also see the shadbala strength.
Regards
Nilesh
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P.Srinivas. Rao » Mon Jul 18, 2011 6:11 am
Kema Druma Bhanga:-
Chandra is exalted
Moon is in Lagna aspected by A benefic
Lord of the rashi where chandra is posited is exalted
Shubha graha should be in Kendra from Chandra
Guru or Shukra should aspects Chandra
If the native is born during day time , then Chandra should be aspected by Guru or guru should be in Kendra to Chandra
If the native is born during night time, then Shukra should be in 7th to Chandra or Shukra should be in Kendra to Chandra
At least one graha namely --Kuja , Budha, Guru, Shukra, Shani should be in Kendra to Chandra
Guru and Shukra should not be Astha
Chandra should be in madya ( middle ) or in between to shubha graha in Rashi or in Navamsha
There should be shubha graha in 10th from lagna or Chandra
Chandra should not have papagraha yuthi or drishti
Chandra should be in Kendra to Navamsha lagna and aspected by Guru or shukra
Chandra in Uchha or swa- kshetra in rashi chakra and aspected by Guru or shukra
If rising sign is Simha and the Moon is in the 10th
If Cancer is the rising sign and moon and Kuja are conjoined/ aspected anywhere in the horoscope
Only then, Kema - Druma Yoga becomes bhanga.
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Through hard work and spiritual practices, a person gets honor and dignity. The lazy one who puts in no efforts is like a fool who allows salt to be spilled on the wounds of his misfortunes. The idler depending only on fate, achieves nothing. - K.N.Rao ji
Cool ji, Prapancha in the context mentioned, keeping in mind his Kannada leanings would mean the external world with which you deal with.
Through hard work and spiritual practices, a person gets honor and dignity. The lazy one who puts in no efforts is like a fool who allows salt to be spilled on the wounds of his misfortunes. The idler depending only on fate, achieves nothing. - K.N.Rao ji
Yes, that seems to be pathetic case.
Lagna lord debilitated in kitubha sthana
Her kutumbha sthana lord saturn is deep combust.
Also natural karaks for marriage venus and jupiter have low ista phala kastapahala ratios.
7th lord mercury loses in planetary war with ketu.
8th lord moon is in 7th house and rahu is in 8th house.
From moon 6 planets are in 8th house.
Sa has astavarga value of just one bindu. Shadbala of 12th house of losses in highest above 41, so 12th is much stronger than lagna and so she has become useless.
lagna and 4th lord of rasi, jupiter is exalted in 9th house in navamsa though. Then why did she not be saved?
Dev
Lagna lord debilitated in kitubha sthana
Her kutumbha sthana lord saturn is deep combust.
Also natural karaks for marriage venus and jupiter have low ista phala kastapahala ratios.
7th lord mercury loses in planetary war with ketu.
8th lord moon is in 7th house and rahu is in 8th house.
From moon 6 planets are in 8th house.
Sa has astavarga value of just one bindu. Shadbala of 12th house of losses in highest above 41, so 12th is much stronger than lagna and so she has become useless.
lagna and 4th lord of rasi, jupiter is exalted in 9th house in navamsa though. Then why did she not be saved?
Dev
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I don't recall Parashara saying that Kalpadruma "cancels" Kemadruma or makes it bhanga. Please state the verse you are referring to.astroboy wrote:Jig, what Parashara has said essentially is this, A kalpa Druma yoga is basically a cancellation of Kema Druma. So instead of banging your head with A/B/C/D/ just follow this.
In my opinion they are two completely different yogas which have names that rhyme. The rhyme is the extent of the similarlity.
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Yes sir, What you say is correct .Vic ji, Good day to you, It is commonly held that a kalpa Druma yoga off sets the Evils of Kema Druma Yoga. Off course, Parsahara does not explicitly mention any where that they cancel each other out. But that is the commonly held belief.
Through hard work and spiritual practices, a person gets honor and dignity. The lazy one who puts in no efforts is like a fool who allows salt to be spilled on the wounds of his misfortunes. The idler depending only on fate, achieves nothing. - K.N.Rao ji
Dev ji, You are correct when you say that the 12th lord takes total control of the chart. Sir, I feel the exaltation of the 4th lord and lagna lord has still kept her alive with a roof over her head. Even though the woman is in dire straits, She still manages to elk out some kind of living. What a miserable life.
Through hard work and spiritual practices, a person gets honor and dignity. The lazy one who puts in no efforts is like a fool who allows salt to be spilled on the wounds of his misfortunes. The idler depending only on fate, achieves nothing. - K.N.Rao ji
Thanks again VIC for your valueble comment although i was waiting for that.
Now As u mentioned i have partial kemudram yog also kalpadrum yog.
so do u think that effect of kemudram yog is much reduced as my moon in center in lagna and chandra chart.
Aslo have u seen such chart with both yog for any person. ???
Regards
jignesh a.
Now As u mentioned i have partial kemudram yog also kalpadrum yog.
so do u think that effect of kemudram yog is much reduced as my moon in center in lagna and chandra chart.
Aslo have u seen such chart with both yog for any person. ???
Regards
jignesh a.
Yes, Astroboy, Jupiter is helping her but still her life is miserable and she is just alive, that is all. So general belief by all that an exalted jupiter is enough to take care of the horoscope is an exaggeration. Here in fact, jupiter is exalted in the 9th house in the navamsa, in fact it is the 2 and 5th house lord there and the first and fourth house lord as per rasi. 5th house lord exalted in the 9th ie 5th from 5th has to be good in terms of purvapunya and luck I thought but this horoscope proves that other planets too matter a lot and just an exalted jupiter cannot have total say in the horoscope though it rules lagna, 4th sukhasthana, 5th of purva punya and 2nd of kutumbha and finance sthana(all important houses in rasi and navamsa).
May be the severely combust saturn who represents her kutumbha bhava caused this since he is the owner of the 6 planet combination.
Do u agree?
Dev
May be the severely combust saturn who represents her kutumbha bhava caused this since he is the owner of the 6 planet combination.
Do u agree?
Dev
Jig I understand where the confusion is. See the Kalpa Druma yoga again,
Now see what Parashara Light 7.3 throws up when you ask it to list out the yogas in your horoscope .
Now either the development team of PL has gone wrong with the Nomenclature of the Yoga........Or...... Just like I said before, as it is commonly used in local parlance, a "Kema Druma bhanga" is commonly referred to as "Kalpadruma Yoga"
33-34. Note the following four grahas: (a) Lagna's lord,
(b) the dispositor of Lagna's lord,
(c) the dispositor of the graha at "b",
(d) the Navamsha dispositor of the graha at "c".
If all these are disposed in Kendras and in Konas from Lagna, or are exalted, Kalpa Drum Yoga exists. One with Kalpa Drum Yoga will be endowed with all kinds of wealth, be a king, pious, strong, fond of war, and merciful.
Now see what Parashara Light 7.3 throws up when you ask it to list out the yogas in your horoscope .
103 Kalpadruma Yoga
While conditions of Kemadruma are existent, there are planets in a Kendra from Lagna.
This Yoga cancels the evil of Kemadruma Yoga and bestows all comforts on the person.
Now either the development team of PL has gone wrong with the Nomenclature of the Yoga........Or...... Just like I said before, as it is commonly used in local parlance, a "Kema Druma bhanga" is commonly referred to as "Kalpadruma Yoga"
Through hard work and spiritual practices, a person gets honor and dignity. The lazy one who puts in no efforts is like a fool who allows salt to be spilled on the wounds of his misfortunes. The idler depending only on fate, achieves nothing. - K.N.Rao ji
I think the trouble lies with the meaning of the word "Kalpadruma" It means "wish fulfilling tree". I checked with our resident sanskrit expert MS Suniti 
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Now I checked with My Guru who said that many yogas have the same name but with different definitions. apparantly a lot of astrologers substitute "Kema Druma Bhanga" with the word "Kalpa Druma" - The opposite of "Kema Druma" or "useless tree" - tree which gives fruit that cannot be used". Thus the confusion. Now I am left scratching my head wondering what is right and what is wrong.
. Now I checked with My Guru who said that many yogas have the same name but with different definitions. apparantly a lot of astrologers substitute "Kema Druma Bhanga" with the word "Kalpa Druma" - The opposite of "Kema Druma" or "useless tree" - tree which gives fruit that cannot be used". Thus the confusion. Now I am left scratching my head wondering what is right and what is wrong.
Through hard work and spiritual practices, a person gets honor and dignity. The lazy one who puts in no efforts is like a fool who allows salt to be spilled on the wounds of his misfortunes. The idler depending only on fate, achieves nothing. - K.N.Rao ji
Ok Astroboy,
let me know the output and feedback from your guru.
What i felt is if i have partial kemudram yog means bhang of kemudram yog as moon in center in lagna and chandra chart= Kalpa druma.
if u put this in mathematical calculation what i wrote is right ?
But i know there are other factor to be considered.
I just started writing here after getting feedback form VIC that i have both yog kalpa drum and kemudram partial.
Let me know if any other person have such combination in there chart.
Regards
jignesha .
let me know the output and feedback from your guru.
What i felt is if i have partial kemudram yog means bhang of kemudram yog as moon in center in lagna and chandra chart= Kalpa druma.
if u put this in mathematical calculation what i wrote is right ?
But i know there are other factor to be considered.
I just started writing here after getting feedback form VIC that i have both yog kalpa drum and kemudram partial.
Let me know if any other person have such combination in there chart.
Regards
jignesha .
VHB ji, place of birth please. I assume its some where in A.P.
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AB ji,
This is your Guru's post.
Actually, coming to think of it, 
common cold is a term used by all ……… we use a broad spectrum antibiotic for it. I guess Jyotish has its common thread too. Anyway, don’t get deep into nomenclatures. It all works out in the end.
This is your Guru's post.
So many variations but it’s all classified under Kema Druma Yoga. Similarly Kalpa druma yoga has several interpretations to it. This is a wrong method If you ask me. In medicine We have no two names for the same disease. But in Jyotishya, this is a common problem.Many authors, rishis, daivajnas have explained this Kema-Druma Yoga in their own experience and jnana. Here i would like to bring the views of few well known Daivajnas only to clear the doubts of the readers and understand clearly the meaning of Kema -Druma Yoga .
As per Phaladeepika Grantha:-
NO graha with Chandra,
No graha in between Chandra ( In 2nd and 12th to Chandra)
As per Vaidyanatha:-
"Shashi, Shani,Shukra kendre sthithaha
Kujashtama, Ravi vyayagow
Kema-Druma varayom yoge jathasya janma bhoomirathaha "
Meaning:- Chandra, Shani, Shukra in kendra ( 1,4,10,7 ) from Lagna, Kuja in 8th and Ravi in 12th from lagna is called as Kema Druma Yoga
As per Chomadri:-
"Bhagyadipathi vyayasthe vyaya Shani vitthage balakshini
vikrama sthane papairyogaha Kema-Drumajneyaam "
Meaning:-9th lord in 12th along with Shani and become nirbala, papgraha in 3rd from lagna is called as Kema Druma Yoga.
As per Saaravali---Raja Yoga Ratnavali grantha---Kalyana Verma:-
There should not be Anapha, Sunapha, and Durdura yoga in jataka,
No graha in Kendra to Chandra
No graha aspects Chandra
only then, it is called as Kema -Druma yoga.
Others:-1) No graha with Chandra,
No graha in 2nd and 12th from Chandra
No graha in Kendra (1,4,10,7 ) from Chandra
Chandra should not be aspected by Guru or Shukra both in Rashi and navamsha,
There should be papagraha in Chandras house ( Karkataka Rashi ) in rashi chakra
Papagraha should not aspects/see Chandras house ( Karkataka rashi ),
Rashiadipathi of Chandra ( both in rashi and navamsha Chakra ) should be papyuktha,
Neecha Chandra, neecha rashydipathi should be uchha and kendra to lagna
only then, it is called as " Maha Dosha Prada Kema- Druma Yoga "
2)No shubha graha in Kendra to Chandra,
Chandra should be in papa- karthari or papa Madya,
Guru or Shukra should not be astha,
If the native is born during night time , then Shukra should not be in 7th to Chandra,
If the native is born during day time, then Guru should not aspect Chandra.
As per the lesson taught to us by our Guru Sri Gunjoor Ramachandra Shastri:-
No graha with Chandra,
No graha in between Chandra ( 2nd and 12th from Chandra ),
No drishti by Guru or Shukra to Chandra,
No graha in Kendra to Chandra ,( only these 5 grahas)
This Yoga donot apply to Ravi, Rahu and Ketu,
This yoga is applicable ONLY TO KUJA, BUDHA ,GURU, SHUKRA AND SHANI ( Panchaadhi Graha only )These 5 grahas should not be in Kendra to Chandra.
THIS YOGA IS MAINLY DEPENDS ON CHANDRA.
I feel, readers can follow the last one ie:- my Gurus explanation.
Actually, coming to think of it, common cold is a term used by all ……… we use a broad spectrum antibiotic for it. I guess Jyotish has its common thread too. Anyway, don’t get deep into nomenclatures. It all works out in the end. Vhb ji,
J hora seems to list the yoga under "other Popular Yogas" . It shows the yoga as Kalpadruma/ Par - ( I assume "Par" stands for Parvata or Parijata yoga . I think its Parvata Yoga)
J hora seems to list the yoga under "other Popular Yogas" . It shows the yoga as Kalpadruma/ Par - ( I assume "Par" stands for Parvata or Parijata yoga . I think its Parvata Yoga)
This does not apply in your case since the dispositor of the lagna lord (Guru ) is not in a kendra.Let us refer to chapter 36 of BHPS
33-34. Note the following four grahas: (a) Lagna's lord,
(b) the dispositor of Lagna's lord,
(c) the dispositor of the graha at "b",
(d) the Navamsha dispositor of the graha at "c".
If all these are disposed in Kendras and in Konas from Lagna, or are exalted, Kalpa Drum Yoga exists. One with Kalpa Drum Yoga will be endowed with all kinds of wealth, be a king, pious, strong, fond of war, and merciful.
Through hard work and spiritual practices, a person gets honor and dignity. The lazy one who puts in no efforts is like a fool who allows salt to be spilled on the wounds of his misfortunes. The idler depending only on fate, achieves nothing. - K.N.Rao ji
astroboy wrote:See this Horoscope
Female
20 01 1962
6 :00 AM
Mangalore
This is one total gone case. Here every point mentioned by Rao ji has come startlingly true. She married a man who was already married with children, who is a perfect rogue, involved in making fake currency, is a drunkard and a good for nothing. She lost her relationship with her parents,brothers, sisters and family, total lack of happiness, has no children of her own, is suffering from Filaria, She is a Graduate with a B Ed, even then, she has no stable job. She is forced to extend her hands for help. She has no religion because the church threw her out for marrying outside the community. Lives a hand to mouth existence now.
Losses all for this individual. SAV of 12th house is the highest of all being 41 pts. Will SAV be considered too?
