Cancellations of Maleficity

[shilpa]

Part-1
There have been many theories and discussions about an exalted malefic……is it more malefic or loses it’s maleficity?
What about a dusthan lord exalted?….or a planet exalted in house that happens to be a dusthan?

I had understood and experienced that in all such cases that planet loses ( or significantly reduces) it’s maleficity…..but was looking for confirmations., which I found in the Jatak Tatva quote below

Once a planet is own house/ exalted or MT…..even is it is a natural malefic it will not harm, even if it is seated in a Dusthan.
let us take an example per my understanding of things...... Mars in it’s own house in the 12th will not STOP the 12th house affects during it’s periods completely such as losses, hospitals ….but will at the same time protect the native and will ensure no permanent damages .
At the same time Mars will give very strong positive fruits of the 12th house….such as bed pleasures, productive foreign visits, productive connections with hospitals, Jails, fruitful and creditworthy pilgrims.

[shilpa]

part-2

This one is Simple ( see below) and yet often time causes confusions……Jupiter’s gaze is protective against a natural or temporal malefic that it casts it’s drishti on ...regardless of where Jupiter sits.

My extension ( based on experience) is that it also protects the house also that it casts it’s drishti on.

Even a combusted and / or debilitated Jupiter has a potently protective gaze…..maybe only 25%......but not zero in any case.

[amitns]

hi shilpa

is this rule valid if planet is not exalted in rashi kundlu but exalted/ mooltrikona/ own house/vargottam in navamsa

amit

[shilpa]

hi shilpa

is this rule valid if planet is not exalted in rashi kundlu but exalted/ mooltrikona/ own house/vargottam in navamsa

amit

as general rules the Rasi chart is the root and nothing overrides it completely.
stronger planets in higher charts ( indicated by their respective amsa bala) compensate for maleficities / defencencies in the rasi chart....but will never completely override them IMO.
regards

[kandhan]

shilpaji

could you elaborate with example charts.

for ex. take Virgo lagna and exalted Mars.

[shilpa]

there is one more dictum in PHALADEEPIKA...that said something like:

If a planet rules a dusthan and another non-dusthan house ......and sits in it's own house....then it gives only the non-dusthan significations

[shilpa]

shilpaji

could you elaborate with example charts.

for ex. take Virgo lagna and exalted Mars.

Hello kandan,

OK I will try to find some charts....and post.
I can immediately think of one each with Rahu and shani in their own houses.

The problem is there is no way of sorting / search in charts stored as JHOra files. Request you and other readers to post any relevant charts fitting the criteria.

I think Ramanan ( of our board) once told us he never had any problems during the Shani periods......he may have had shani in own house.

regards

PS* remember the dictum applies to malefics in own house, MT and exaltaion

[digitsoftime]

hi shilpa

is this rule valid if planet is not exalted in rashi kundlu but exalted/ mooltrikona/ own house/vargottam in navamsa

amit

as general rules the Rasi chart is the root and nothing overrides it completely.
stronger planets in higher charts ( indicated by their respective amsa bala) compensate for maleficities / defencencies in the rasi chart....but will never completely override them IMO.
regards

Hi Shilpa ji,

So as I understand, Exaltation, MT or Swakshetra in divisional charts only modify or amplify the Rasi placements.
-What if the planets are well placed in Rasi but have weak amsabalas or debilitated in divisional charts?
-What about the Nakshatra placements?
please clarify

regards,
S

[shilpa]

Hi Shilpa ji,

So as I understand, Exaltation, MT or Swakshetra in divisional charts only modify or amplify the Rasi placements.
-What if the planets are well placed in Rasi but have weak amsabalas or debilitated in divisional charts?

Depth in results will be lacking.
for eg.A wealth Yoga in Rasi chart with strong planets but lacking support in divisional charts will give good earnings during the right Dasas/AD...but will not let you rise to be a multimilliobnare Crorepati.
For eg. a Fame/ success Yuoga will make you popular in your social and porfessional office environment but not an international name in your industry

-What about the Nakshatra placements?
please clarify

Please elaborate on this part of your question

regards,
S

[shilpa]

DOB : 18-4-1992
time 19.55
place : Beawar(Raj.) india

Tula lagna , moon in 1st
saturn in 4th
venus & mercury in 6th
exalted sun in 7th
mars in 5th
rahu in 3rd &ketu in 9th
how exalted sun in 7th & malefic saturn in 4th (sash yoga) will perform
Venus exalted in 6th with debiliated mercury

thx for posting the chart details:

Sa in it's own house in 4th....so it is not a malefic...and in it's periods / subperiods give good significations of 4th ( home, vehicle mother) and 5th ( creativity, romance, fortuen) significations

--Venus is exalted in the 6th house...and also rule the 8th house.
This is a good example.
Normally if Ve was not exalted.....during it;s Dasas/ AD....she would have defnitely brought hurdles, disease, health issues, enemities...problems and sufferings because of those.

NOW Venus will be a protector......and will ensure that diseases/ health issues if any will get healed/ cured quickly....and will not cause lasting damage.

Enemy attacks if any...will fail to fructify for the enemy and you will be protected.

The protective role of Venus will especially be promeinent if the Dasa Lord is Malefic in Venus AD
OR the anatardasa lord is malefic in Venu MD



Regards

[shilpa]

Here is one more chart I will present:

Sep 19, 1964, Lucknow, 12:30am

--Native with Saturn ruling 8th ( Dusthan) and 9th house...but placed in the 9th in own house Aquarius

--Very senior civil servant in revenue services.....comissioner level in Mumbai.

--sade Sati period gave selection in civil services and marrigae, gains in income, huge dowry, financed a business for his disabled elder brother



--Saturn in the bhagyasthan in rasi and aspecting the 10th in Dasmsa has ensured a destiny and career linked with government civil services.

--He has had remrkable promotions and plum assignments sicne th start of Shani MD.....another very strong period upcoming will be the Shani-Ra period and coinciding Sade-Sati.

And all this inspite of shani ruling the 8th house with bitter enemy moon seated therein.

Off course there are many other factors in the chart such as the very strong Rahu propelling the native upwards....but for now we limit our examination to the dictums/ slokas under analsyis.

Regards

[Abhisheik]

Shilpa ji,

I have some queries of a novice.

1).

Once a planet is own house/ exalted or MT…..even is it is a natural malefic it will not harm, even if it is seated in a Dusthan.

Is this applicable to dual sign lagnas? I mean Mars for Gemini and Virgo Ascendant and Venus for Saggitarius and Pisces ascendant are first rate malefics.

Will there exaltation eliminate or significantly reduce their maleficence?

2).In the same vein what about lagna lords who are placed in dusthana but either in their own or exaltation house? eg Saturn in Capricorn in 12th, Mars in scorpio in 8th, Jupiter in Cancer in 8th, Venus in Pisces in 6th etc.

Can we call lagna lord strong in these cases and overlook its placement in dusthana? If so should we then take lagna to be strong?

3)

Jupiter’s gaze is protective against a natural or temporal malefic that it casts it’s drishti on ...regardless of where Jupiter sits.

My extension ( based on experience) is that it also protects the house also that it casts it’s drishti on.

Even a combusted and / or debilitated Jupiter has a potently protective gaze…..maybe only 25%......but not zero in any case.

Is Jupiter's aspect on moon in kemdruma yoga in a dusthana protective in nature?

Lets say Moon is in Scorpio in 6th house aspected by Jupiter in Pisces from 10th house?

Regards
Abhisheik

[shilpa]

Shilpa ji,

I have some queries of a novice.

1).

Once a planet is own house/ exalted or MT…..even is it is a natural malefic it will not harm, even if it is seated in a Dusthan.

Is this applicable to dual sign lagnas? I mean Mars for Gemini and Virgo Ascendant and Venus for Saggitarius and Pisces ascendant are first rate malefics.

First of all I don't think you should consider a malefic only by permanent relations . We must apply permanent + temporray relations to derive the total relationship for that chart

Will there exaltation eliminate or significantly reduce their maleficence?

there is no concrete answer....because there is no concrete defnition of malefic.
However IMO....it will be as I explained in the Mars in it's own house in the 12th example in my original post.
there will be problems but the exalted planet will pull the native out of problems.

remember at a given time even if it is not the MD/ AD of the planets......all the planets in the entire Rasi chart and 16 divisional charts and transitory planest are impacting the life of the native.

So when there are problems it is IMPOSSIBLE to pin-point where and whihc planets are contributing to problems.

2).In the same vein what about lagna lords who are placed in dusthana but either in their own or exaltation house? eg Saturn in Capricorn in 12th, Mars in scorpio in 8th, Jupiter in Cancer in 8th, Venus in Pisces in 6th etc.

Can we call lagna lord strong in these cases and overlook its placement in dusthana? If so should we then take lagna to be strong?


I would say yes

Regards
Abhisheik

[chavitarun]

Respected madam

The chart posted by me is of Male.
You are requested to pl. tell about:

1. Exalted malefic Sun in 7th house (Being lord of 11th)-what impact

2.further It is being said that education Graph is very good, but he is facing problem in
education i.e not getting good percentage & failure in entrance exams of professional course
despite He has Tula Lagan ,Saturn is In 4th house(Capricorn) as lord of 5th(Aquarious) in own house forming Sash Yoga .also Jupiter Aspects Fifth house ?


Is it due to Malefics? or is is due to Lord of 5th gone to 4th house?
thanks

[astroboy]

Very good day to You shilpa ji ,

First off, You have started a excellent topic for discussion. A perplexing and confusing topic no doubt .But in astrology, every topic can make us run around in circles .

I have 2 horoscopes for you . One is my own . One belongs to a close friend / Client . As you know I have 2 exalted Malefics ( Ravi is said to be cruel + he owns the 8th ) in my horoscope . Kuja is in the lagna Ravi in the 4th .

26 04 1973
00.26
Mangalore
We might have a stumbling block because Guru who is in debilitation occupies the same Rashi . But I thing we can work around that and concentrate purely on Kuja .
the other horosope is
22 nd march 1965
6 45 AM
Navalgund
Karnataka
India
In this case , a functional Malefic is exalted in the lagna . There are other planets in the same rashi too . This might complicate our analysis . But lets see where it goes . What is interesting is Shukra dasha is on from 2006 . the best part of his rise was in Ketu dasha . Shukra dasha gave him all the luxuaries. He made huge investments worth more than 40 - 60 crs abroad . Shukra also exposed him to huge borrowings . All his ventures are in a stage of infancy . It remains to be seen what Shukra does next . Shukra in lagna gave him chronic sickness . He falls sick fairly easily . He is border line diabatic and is also prone to psoriasis . He has a weak liver , but loves to tipple .

I feel a exalted malefic acts like a Iron hand in a velvet glow . The exaltation gives the malefic a kind of "Al pachino in God father " . I mean , he is a suave and sophisticated man in a slick italian suit, who loves his single malts on the rocks and watches the opera but underneath all that finnese, he is a gangster after all .
A debilitated malefic is truly a low life sort . Just like "Al Pachino" in "Scar face " . He is the typical road romeo / Thug who would not even know what the word Sophisticated meant . Its all fine on a normal day .....But when stressed this low life malefic brings down the house ......destroying within seconds , what has taken years to build .
Best regard's

[astroboy]

A exalted Malefic when stressed and pushed to the wall.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kTQFyMRSXk

[astroboy]

A debilitated Malefic when pushed to the wall
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6L8NFcM ... re=related

[kandhan]

Deepakji

kundali is God's way of telling the native: i will make you an offer you cannot refuse.

[ChandraLagna]

Abji
On the topic of exaltation and debilitation of malefics, pl add another aspect. Retrograde.
Is this like returning from a re-hab?

Actually, I had a diff mental imagery for the debilitation and exaltation of malefics. To use the same analogy, exaltation is Al Pacino in Sicily, surrounded by Tessa and Clemenza and Tom hagan - can do as much evil as he pleases.

In Debilitation, its the same Al pacino in the church [ was is part 3?] where he has a sombre chat with the priest and pops in pills after a bout of coughing. He's still evil, but less active. He needs strengthening before he can do damae, whereas in Exaltation, he is fully armed and dangerous.

[ChandraLagna]

@ Shilpa-ji.

Excellent thread. Pl keep this up.

[ChandraLagna]

Deepakji

kundali is God's way of telling the native: i will make you an offer you cannot refuse.

That's what I love about this forum. How effortlessly we mingle Astrology with youtube, mafia and Hitler! Where else would this happen.

Makes such an engrossing read.

Shilpa-ji: Sorry for the digressions, but you're doing good work here - please continue

[shilpa]

Respected madam

The chart posted by me is of Male.
You are requested to pl. tell about:

1. Exalted malefic Sun in 7th house (Being lord of 11th)-what impact
sun is the driving enegry of the soul....and is not a malefic in the same sense and intensity as Rahu, Sa and Mars althouhg it is classified as a natural malefic......becuase it literally burns anything lcose to ot.
For this chart it is NOT at all malefic.
Exalted Lord of 11th will ensure good income/ earnings.....anda spouse that is also a source of wealth/ earning ( working woman)/ dowry....althouhg the wife will be a proud and ambitious woman.....that is when the time comes.



2.further It is being said that education Graph is very good, but he is facing problem in
education i.e not getting good percentage & failure in entrance exams of professional course
despite He has Tula Lagan ,Saturn is In 4th house(Capricorn) as lord of 5th(Aquarious) in own house forming Sash Yoga .also Jupiter Aspects Fifth house ?

Education is seen from the 4th house ( primary) and the 9th house advanced ( including degrees and professional)...and nodes are the worst afflictors to academic pursuits. The 9th house is afflicted by Ket sitting in rahu's Nakshatra, whihc in turn is in Ketu's Nakshatra...not a good placement.....making it harder for him to succeed.
Ketu, poojan / Jaap will help.

However in Siddhamasa D-24 the 4th and 9th Lords ( sa and Me) are togther in the 4th house of Sat......strong placement that will see him go through his professional graduations eventually.......engineering with specialization in electronics, mettalurgy may be good for him.
Alternatively MBA in general administrations may also see him succeed.
Don't worry inspite of afflicted Rasi...siddhamsa is good.

and neither of sat, Venus nor Sun are maelfics for him...it's the nodes that are the problems.
In due course Sa, Ve and Su...bear him fruits of success.
Is it due to Malefics? or is is due to Lord of 5th gone to 4th house?
thanks

[chavitarun]

Thanks for Quick Reply.
Further pl . tell whether Lord of 9th(Mercury) is debliliated (Neech) & Placed in sixth but is Exalted
in Navamsa in 7th house. He has opted for Commerce Stream
Neech Ka Ketu in 9th causing problem for Luck.
pl. also tell whether the problem is due to Kendrum Yoga (Moon in Lagna as lord of 10th)
Thanks & Regards

[shilpa]

Very good day to You shilpa ji ,

First off, You have started a excellent topic for discussion. A perplexing and confusing topic no doubt .But in astrology, every topic can make us run around in circles .

I have 2 horoscopes for you . One is my own . One belongs to a close friend / Client . As you know I have 2 exalted Malefics ( Ravi is said to be cruel + he owns the 8th ) in my horoscope . Kuja is in the lagna Ravi in the 4th .

26 04 1973
00.26
Mangalore

Dear astroboy,

thanks for posting your details.

--Your chart shows promises and denials at the same time, same houses because where Sun exalts in 4th house, Venus combusts.

--Where Mars exalts in the 1st...Jupiters is in debility.....OK some will same neechbhang applies....cancellation of debility, whether apllicable is a subject for another discussion later.

--Mars also aspects the 4th, 7th and 8th

--Sun aspects it's digbala house the 10th....and strengthens it.

--Mars and sun are also reasonably strong in Uttamamsa in the dasavarga for you.

--Jupiter inspite of debility is not bad....just weak...but doesn't harm.

--So Sun promises and delivers 4th house matters.....and exalted Mars's owns and throuhg 4th aspect further support.....the 4th house significations such as landed properties, vehicles, leadership in home matters, support to the relative, excellent realtionship between your mother and father amongst them.
And sun also delivers the positives of the 8th house such as inheritances.

Your desires to support friends/ realtives and a shine in the eyes of and be a leadership in home matters...is met by the strength of Su and Ma....whihc are also helping in properties, lands, autombile machinery/ metal type businesses, partnerships and career matters.
And you will get on the top in those professions.

--Shani as the Ascendant Lord in very friendly Venus and in Gopuramsa is also quite strong.

A good example of a chart demonstrating the very strong positive support from exalted natural malefics....and a strong Shani....inspite of the 8th house ( Dusthan) Lordship of sun.

--Venus is the weak planet in this chart tainting the 4th house family matters ( personal own family and relationships part), where it sits....... and career house 10th and the 5th that it lords.....but exalted sun covers those weaknesses to a great extent by it's presence in 4th and aspect of the 10th.

--Since Ra- Ket are standalone we look at their Nakshtra placement....in each other's Nakshtra is NOT good. That Ra and Ketu have just finished their transits over your natal Rahu and Ketu should see you relief at many fronts.

--Me's debilitation doesn't hurt the 6th house, in some ways it helps to have a weak 6th house....but the tradeoff loss is in the bhagyasthan 9th that Me lrods.

--Both Venus and Me are almost non-existent in amsabala strengths in Dasavarga....means there are little natural deeper resources in those areas to draw upon.

In summary:

-- a chart with strong promises and strong denials...indicators of a perosnality in past lives involved in some very extreme activites of good and not so good together.

--Ma, Sa and Sun....are strong and supportive
Nodes, Ve and Me are weak.

--Jupiter not very potent.

I will look at the second chart later


Regards

[shilpa]

looking at the second chart posted by astroboy:

22 nd march 1965
6 45 AM
Navalgund
Karnataka
India
In this case , a functional Malefic is exalted in the lagna . There are other planets in the same rashi too . This might complicate our analysis . But lets see where it goes . What is interesting is Shukra dasha is on from 2006 . the best part of his rise was in Ketu dasha . Shukra dasha gave him all the luxuaries. He made huge investments worth more than 40 - 60 crs abroad . Shukra also exposed him to huge borrowings . All his ventures are in a stage of infancy . It remains to be seen what Shukra does next . Shukra in lagna gave him chronic sickness . He falls sick fairly easily . He is border line diabatic and is also prone to psoriasis . He has a weak liver , but loves to tipple .

I feel a exalted malefic acts like a Iron hand in a velvet glow . The exaltation gives the malefic a kind of "Al pachino in God father " . I mean , he is a suave and sophisticated man in a slick italian suit, who loves his single malts on the rocks and watches the opera but underneath all that finnese, he is a gangster after all .
A debilitated malefic is truly a low life sort . Just like "Al Pachino" in "Scar face " . He is the typical road romeo / Thug who would not even know what the word Sophisticated meant . Its all fine on a normal day .....But when stressed this low life malefic brings down the house ......destroying within seconds , what has taken years to build .

--Venus lord of 3rd and 8th....exalted in the first but combust....exaltation benefits are offset by combustion is how I would read this for now leaving Venus as a normal planet.
Although combustion and exalations / debilitation does not act exactly smilarly.

--Shani in his own house of Aq in the 12th.

--Other observations.....Moon debilitated and afflicted by strong Ketu...but ketu itself is strong in 9th in it's own house of Scorpio...and in amsabala=4 in dasavarga charts...giving good fortune and gains during it's periods .
--Ma neutral to strong in Leo.

--Jup is weak in the enemy sign of Venus and hence Rahu gets the better of him.

--as per the shloka Venus should not give any malefic results inspite of the ownership of 8th house...however the shloka has not taken into account the simultaneous combustion of Venus.

Therefore in my read the material/ monetary significations side of Venus will still be positive...but the emotional /relationship issues that Venus signifies.....may be adverse during this phase.

--Shani ruling the 11th and the 12th will not give any malefic results almost certainly.

regards