The Nakshatras - Discussion and Inputs for Me

[ChandraLagna]

Sir ji in my limited understanding , Papa means evil or bad . "Kartari" means "scissors" . Is lagna caught between Rahu and Kuja or not is the question.

I am in agreement with you that a PapaKartari when you say that But strict definition,must mean that the 1st house / Lagna must be caught between two malefic planets . ie the malefics must be in the 2nd house and the 12th house .

Here Rahu us in the 1st house , but the ascendent is between Rahu and Kuja . Dont you think we can apply the same results that Papakartari produces to this horoscope ?

Sorry for the retrograde motion in going back to this....but I thought about this a bit.....

Technically, what AB's saying makes sense in terms of Lagna being caught b/w two malefics, BUT
I think we're not giving enough credit to the intended malfeasance of the PK yoga. It seems to me that the real intent is not the limited to house under question, but that four houses are fracked. . This can only happen when the planets are in three houses.

[anilesh47]

Dear Astroboy,

After a long time we are meeting., well i read your post. With the respect of your good effort on nakshatra post i would like to say that Jyestha nakshatra is not always bad nak. People who born in jyestha nakshatra are more sensitive than vindictive.You wrote jyeshta people do not have capacity to face even the smallest trouble. I born in this nakshtra, i dont find any negative traits in me what you have mentioned except jealousy(but lil bit) and secretive. I m capable to handle any situation or even smallest trouble. Jyestha people have creative mind because its lord is mercury. Always ready to help people to come out them in every situation. Ya i m jealous but this jealosy is not stay forever with me, it stay one minute, one hour or max one day but then it automatic diminish. Jyestha people are agressive but never take any action recklessly. They first ponder abt the situation then take the action always with patience.

The all above observation is from my experience. i m born in this nakshatra. If you see in my chart, my moon is in third house and you know that the mercury is the natural karak of the third house, so i dont think it gives any negative traits in my life. One more point, my budha is not well placed still mercury works beautiful in my life may be due to retro or high amsabala or aspect from benefic Jupiter or may be sat-mer exchange.

Thank you.

Regards
Nilesh

[astroboy]

Good day Anilesh ji,

Long time . Hope you are doing fine . Thank you for that extensive feed back . Very Nice of you. I am happy that there are no negative traits of the Nakshatra present in you .

God bless you.
best regard's
deepak .

[anilesh47]

hahahahha..

Good day astroboy ji, i think you are making mockery of me. i just put the reply just for learning purpose. I want to learn a lot from you sir.

If i m wrong in above post you can point me out sir. i would be happy if i get some precious knowledge from you.

Regards
Nilesh

[Dev]

Hi Anilesh:

What u say is true.
It is not right that jyesta people cannot face slightest of the problems. In my case it is totally wrong.
If all the Indians faced the problems that I faced, we would have had now only 10% of the population living, others would have committed suicide. So it is incorrect. In fact people have told me the same and some even said, u are superhuman or u are a saint and so on. In fact some of my relatives said, if u did not have any of these problems, u would even have got a nobel prize.
I am not boasting but I know where I stand. I am doing well and would have done infinite times better provided I did not have these problems.
Again I dont have jealousy. Of course, if the next person is a dullhead and then, I would not respect him and accept him as a senior or boss. I can respect knowledge, skills and sincerity but not positions which are achieved by buttering, licking others feet and by recommendations and by giving huge amounts of money.
Now I want to cool down due to moon in lagna .
Dev

[anilesh47]

Hii Dev,
Nice to see you after a long time. Happy to see your answer.
We both are born in jyestha nak. you are right, i m also the same kind of person who never give the respect to dullhead person. For jyestha people, all people are equall whether it is peon or boss, gives respect to them without feeling proud of the position.

Thanks.

Nilesh

[Dev]

Yes, you are absolutely right Anilesh. They like talents but cannot tolerate arrogance. So they move better with a humble peon than with an arrogant boss.
See, I just dislike these general characteristics based on nakshatra. It will never tally mostly for many. It is the individual's horoscope which alone matters.
For eg. I have seen Maga nakshatra, my mother, my aunt and some of my relatives. Their nature is totally different. My mother is so innocent and some of them are so cunning. Just the opposites.
So what can be conclude from just the nakshatra/ Nothing mostly. These are just my own views and I dont want to thrust this on others.
Anyway in no way I want to undermine the efforts of Astroboy. He is very talented and sincere and doing lot of service to the people here. He has started the thread and gives the general reading here on the nakshatras but u see when some book says diametrically opposite things about u, it really irritates u and u stop believing.

Dev

[anilesh47]

Ya you are right. The nakshatra is depend on individual's whole chart. The chart decides which nak is good or bad.

And ya, Astroboy is giving only general traits of the Nakshatra. I also dont want to undermine his efforts. He is providing the knowledge without expecting anything. That is the great effort and i always appreciate him for their efforts and sharing the good knowledge with us. I want to say only in one sentence, "Hats off! astroboy"

Regards
Nilesh

[sita]

Hii Dev,
Nice to see you after a long time. Happy to see your answer.
We both are born in jyestha nak. you are right, i m also the same kind of person who never give the respect to dullhead person. For jyestha people, all people are equall whether it is peon or boss, gives respect to them without feeling proud of the position.

Thanks.
Nilesh

Heyy Anilesh,

I was also born in this Jyeshtha NK....woww so many ppl here belong to Jyeshtha NK.

[astroboy]

Good day Dev ji,

hope you are doing fine. Long time since we exchanged posts .

You wrote,

but u see when some book says diametrically opposite things about u, it really irritates u and u stop believing.

Sir, It is only when you know and experience the bad, that you can Identify the good. This is how we know what is good and bad. There are two sides to every thing in this world. Show me something that does not have two sides.

I said this before,

by astroboy » Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:13 pm
Astrology is all about the cumulative effects of the 9 planets and the 27 Nakshatras . All I am doing here is splicing and dicing these effects up .

It is not that I have been harsh with Jeyshtha . I have even written negative traits about my own Nakshatra, shravana and Uttaraashadha . These are general negative traits that a nakshatra has to offer . I am focusing on the negative here . There are also good traits . It's only from understanding the bad that we can recognise the good .

Thank you,
Best regard's
Deepak

[ChandraLagna]

Deepakji
I had a question above on PK yoga....want your opinion on that!

thanks in advance

[ambjig]

Hi Astroboy and all,

thanks for lovely information abt nakshatras.

I m born under Danishtha nakshatra.

Danishtha people are known to wait years and years to extract their revenge. When they do so they do it with brutal force. (Shani loves to wait and settle scores. Kuja loves to fight) they are like elephants when it comes to extracting revenge. They can wait and wait for years to strike.

This is truth even in my case.

can u tell me weather i will get married in this life or not ? As

It has been noticed that If Ravi and Budha are placed together in a Horoscope of Danishtha born people they remain unmarried. If Kuja and Shukra are placed in an Inimical Nakshatra then the death of the spouse is also noticed

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My details are
jignesh
17-11-1977
17-00
jamnagar

Awiaitng

Regards
jig

[astroboy]

Arun, By PK you mean Papa Kartari yoga right ? What is the doubt ?

[astroboy]

Good day Jig
Thanks for the feed back . Guru dasha Shukra bukthi is on . Shukra bukthi should have given you marriage. But its being held back by Shani who is the badaka lord . But there is still time for Shukra AD to end. I suggest some remedy to Pacify Shani .

Best regard's

[astroboy]

as far as this statement is concerned

It has been noticed that If Ravi and Budha are placed together in a Horoscope of Danishtha born people they remain unmarried. If Kuja and Shukra are placed in an Inimical Nakshatra then the death of the spouse is also noticed

Its a general statement made and has to be evaluated keeping the whole horoscope in context . Having said that, the placement of planets in your horoscope satisfies and meets the requirement for the statement to come true. However have faith . I am sure Shani will grant you marriage by going easy on Shukra .

Best regard's

[ambjig]

It has been noticed that If Ravi and Budha are placed together in a Horoscope of Danishtha born people they remain unmarried. If Kuja and Shukra are placed in an Inimical Nakshatra then the death of the spouse is also noticed

I have ravi and budha both together placed in 8th house. and also born in dhanishta nakshatra. so as fas as this is going to be truth..

can u tell me remedy need to perform for sani ??

regards
jignesh a.

[astroboy]

Jig Bhai, Remedies are to be sought from either Ramanan Ji or Sonu ji . Sorry

[ChandraLagna]

Arun, By PK you mean Papa Kartari yoga right ? What is the doubt ?

yes, Papa kartari.


Re: The Nakshatras - Discussion and Inputs for Me

Postby arunsg321 » Wed Jun 15, 2011 7:06 am

astroboy wrote::) Sir ji in my limited understanding , Papa means evil or bad . "Kartari" means "scissors" . Is lagna caught between Rahu and Kuja or not is the question.

I am in agreement with you that a PapaKartari when you say that But strict definition,must mean that the 1st house / Lagna must be caught between two malefic planets . ie the malefics must be in the 2nd house and the 12th house .

Here Rahu us in the 1st house , but the ascendent is between Rahu and Kuja . Dont you think we can apply the same results that Papakartari produces to this horoscope ?

then, arun wrote:
Sorry for the retrograde motion in going back to this....but I thought about this a bit.....

Technically, what AB's saying makes sense in terms of Lagna being caught b/w two malefics, BUT
I think we're not giving enough credit to the intended malfeasance of the PK yoga. It seems to me that the real intent is not the limited to house under question, but that four houses are fracked. . This can only happen when the planets are in three houses.
Best regards,
Arun

[astroboy]

I am in agreement with you Arun. Though the rigid interpretation of this yoga insists that a planet is said to be in PK when it is between 2 Malefics , By strict definition,it must mean that the 1st house / Lagna must be caught between two malefic planets . ie the malefics must be in the 2nd house and the 12th house . However I feel a planet being caught between two Malefics in the same rashi is more dangerious than being caught between 2 malefics in different rashi's . What say you ?

[Dev]

Dear Astroboy:

As I have always been saying, I have seen that you are good in analysis of horoscopes and u are also sincere to the maximum, u feel what u say. I have no complaints about u but what I was feeling was that general traits when they match make people happy and when not make them go away from astrology. It is a general thing which is not based on skills but when u analyse individual horoscopes, it needs lot of skills since u have to use all permutations and combinations and say x factors favour a thing and y factors oppose. If x effect is greater or the y effect is greater is the challenge posed before the astrologer where not all pass. But I thought that u have good skills as an astrologer, when u are capable of reading horoscopes well, this general traits may not interest u that much since it is based more on accumulated information. However, for individual horoscopes, of course, u need all intellect and I felt u have that and could do justice there. So no offense meant to u but it was only about the generality of information.
See generality more often fails like north indias dislike south indians, foreigners hate indians, keralites are hard working, brahmins are good and so on.
This is what I dont like because every individual is different and so is every individual horoscope.
This u know very well. Suppose I have a PhD in math, I would rather like to solve difficult problems, involving calculus with triple integrals and so on, rather than dealing with simple arithmetic. So in analogy, I thought your skills are much more than just giving generalised predictions. This is my view. So pl take it in the right spirit. I am not a back biter.

Dev

[ChandraLagna]

I am in agreement with you Arun. Though the rigid interpretation of this yoga insists that a planet is said to be in PK when it is between 2 Malefics , By strict definition,it must mean that the 1st house / Lagna must be caught between two malefic planets . ie the malefics must be in the 2nd house and the 12th house . However I feel a planet being caught between two Malefics in the same rashi is more dangerious than being caught between 2 malefics in different rashi's . What say you ?

Agree Abji, in terms of that single planet / house. But from a overall chart perspective, the person having 4 houses fracked - he loses all, as opposed to just one dimension of his life. In four houses, the PK yoga would have covered dharm, arth, kaam and moksha, and hence I felt that the real malevolence in PK yoga is more when planets occupy the three houses.

[astroboy]

And talking about whether a exalted Naturally malefic planet gives debilitated effects ( Same in Boni Scots Case) check this horoscope out .

Maya
Female
April 22 1984
17 : 50
Chennai
Time is accurate within 1 minute( +/-)

Girl was married. The Husband died in a accident within one year of the marriage. In the mean time the woman was pregnant. Child was born father less. She was married in Rahu MD Shani AD . Who do you attribute this disaster to ?

[astroboy]

Thank you Dev ji. I understand your contention .

[Nitin21]

And talking about whether a exalted Naturally malefic planet gives debilitated effects ( Same in Boni Scots Case) check this horoscope out .

Maya
Female
April 22 1984
17 : 50
Chennai
Time is accurate within 1 minute( +/-)

Girl was married. The Husband died in a accident within one year of the marriage. In the mean time the woman was pregnant. Child was born father less. She was married in Rahu MD Shani AD . Who do you attribute this disaster to ?

Sir can you please give the date of marriage and accident. Even approximate will do. MD-AD settings are different for different astrologers owing to ayanamsha differences..

Regards
Sonu

[astroboy]

Sir I will have to come back to you on that. I will try and get you that information. The problem is that we will have to contact that lady. Slightly delicate. But I will try my best.