Spirituality, Astrology, Destiny, B. Geeta, Celibacy

[Talib]

For the philosophy of hungry people, the very reason they are in that state is because they have despised Ram. Had they not, they would not be hungry. This is deep rooted in theory of reincarnation. The more you act better towards Ram today, the better will be your state of affairs to have Roti in every life.

Don't run after Roti. Ram will not follow you. Run after Ram, roti will follow you.

When the correct meaning of Dharma Adharma is not known, Reading Sundar Kand becomes mere a ritual and lip service.

Sonu Ji,

I wish i could express it this way. Thanks

Love

[sanjayk1265]

Dear Astrosonu
Look adoptability is very important to develop personal character & development of country ,but if the mind is programmed it is very difficult to erase existing programme & adopt new ideas.
Now look my mind was also programmed but during journey of life I erased lot of programmes and adopted new ideas.
I have Ramcharit Manas with me I read it as a historical , social ,economical & political epic ,I am not reading for salvation.
With me 300 workers are working & I am responsible for their well being I love them & they love me.When I work with them that feeling is much better than reaching from mooladhar to sahastrar.
Guru Gorakhnath when reached to sahastrar he asked himself now where should I go and he went to serve the people.
To take care of people around it is not less than spirituality.It does not matter what nationality (Vasudhaiv kutumbkam) If a part of that kutumb ( family) is not right it is responsibility of every member to highlight & correct it.
My Ram is not king of ayodhya ,my Ram is in my workers with whom I do very risky job where death can enter any time from any corner.

OK before 10 years once I went to see Bhrigu Nathu Ram Sharma of Karovi Rajasthan whatever he told me that is 100% correct till today.He told me I will be against all rituals (Karm Kand) & spirituality & advised to serve under privileged people , honestly I am doing that.I asked him I born in so called brahmin family but I do all things against like alchohal,smoking womanizing.He given me very good answer that answer I can not write here. I asked him any remedy for this problem he told there is no remedy you have to face it with diginity.

I am coming back to India china issue ,Indians are most respected people in china.And I am more Indian than any other Indian my grandfather & his brother was freedom fighter.
But my worry is if china can develop in 20 years why not India in 60 years.If India was developed I have never went to Japan, china,Germany,Italy And you also may have not went to search job in UK And a lot of IITins may have not went to USA or EU countries.Why we get training on taxpayers money & then go to serve other countries.What is not in India every resources are there. Some where including other factors our pseudo-spirituality & our antique culture & civilization is also responsible for this.

My quotes are not from films it is from Urdu literature. I have not seen any film since 7 years.
One more baqaul Nida Fazli Indian Shayer:
“Ghar se masjid zara door sahi,
Kisi rote huey bachche ko hansaya jaye.”
Means: The mosque is for from house instead of praying in mosque make laugh a crying baby.

Dear Talib
If i will see a person hungary in front of me I will provide him roti instead of blaming his past karmas ,who i am to blame .And I will not prescribe him sanskrit mantras meaning of those that person can not understand.
Best Regards,
Sanjay

[Nitin21]

For the philosophy of hungry people, the very reason they are in that state is because they have despised Ram. Had they not, they would not be hungry. This is deep rooted in theory of reincarnation. The more you act better towards Ram today, the better will be your state of affairs to have Roti in every life.

Don't run after Roti. Ram will not follow you. Run after Ram, roti will follow you.

When the correct meaning of Dharma Adharma is not known, Reading Sundar Kand becomes mere a ritual and lip service.

Sonu Ji,

I wish i could express it this way. Thanks

Love

Dear Talibji,

Thank you for understanding. I wish to narrate an experience here for benefit of everyone.

From Septemeber 2010 onwards, I was to be based in UK for job related prospects. My spirituality has taken a steep curve since the last quarter of 2009, thanks to the blessings of my Guruji. Everytime I sit for Pooja routine, I have rituals to follow. Achamana, Gangaji awahan into Kalasha, Ganesha Stuti, Lighting Diyas, Shri Vishnu-LAxmi-Vayu Stotras and routine continues.

Now every step has a purpose. Achamana paves way for Devatas in the body and rids Kali elements at the time of pooja, Gangaji awahan into kalasha is essential to purify the water and make it holy for bathing of idols, Ganesha stuti in beginning is a must because with Ganapati Aradhana any pooja does not yield results. The rules for the water state that it should nto be more than 3 days old. Must be of the river, pond, lake etc and clean water.

In UK I could only do achamana and stotras as i did not have a temple there. But, it never yielded results. I mean the purity you must feel after the sanctified worship, was not there. The same routine but does not yield results in UK. I kept ekadashi fasts there with only potatoes cooked in ghee for consumption as upavas food. But the peace was not there at all. I was wondering what wrong did I do. ... Bad dreams started creaping in. People without head started to appear in my dreams. Black dogs barking in anger. I used to wake up at midnight. I am a fearless person. But those dreams sweated me out. I could not take it anymore. I resorted to Shri Hanumanji with all my heartfelt prayers. Immediately the ill effects are gone. But only for some time. The day ends and same procedure repeats, minus the dreams. then I put myself to Guruji. He did not mention anything but asked me to do MMJ via priest. I did that and dreams vanished. Mr. Srinivas Rao also prayed for me in his hometown at Ganeshji Temple. A Brahmin blessing is necessary to come out of these shackles. We do not carry enough punya and saniddhi to cut our sins. All well and good. I came to india thrice and made three trips back to UK. Everytime, ill effects will be there, worship would not yield results. In India, my prayers work even when I do stotras even once. There is no doubt about Shri Vishnu Saniddhi in my house.

I started investigating into the problem and followed Guruji. Then I came to know some startling facts about there which are anti-vedic. First and foremost, I was in association with Go-Brahmana-dweshis. Beef consumption is a cculture there. And most importantly, WATER IS A RECYLCED ONE. . Now vedically speaking, water must be fresh. The freshness of water is related to denial of Kali entry into the jala tatwa. When the water is recycled. It is same old water which is technically clean. But can Kali be evaded by Machines . All my achamana, water sprinkling in the room etc was waste. Infact I was doing bad karma. I was spreading kali everywhere. I was being a Vishnu Dweshi UNKNOWINGLY. Now imagine where ever that water was to be used, automatically it would become Anti-Vishnu. Add to it, sambhashana with people consuming beef. My miseries had increased. Peace of mind gone for a toss without doing a single Karma .

Everything became crystal clear to me. What next ?? I took a flight back home. My prospects started chasing me on phone and emails, claiming only Salary part was pending and that I should be there to negotiate and take it further. no prizes for guessing it right... what i did ?

NO RAM, NO SONU.

Regards
Sonu

[Nitin21]

Dear Sanjay,

All that you have mentioned is your Karma. IF you are doing it, it is very good. It is not good to leave a hungry man without food. It creates bad karma. Anna and jala are basic necessities of every jeeva. One must always follow this act of piousness.

The point you are trying to make here is that feeding hungry is an EITHER OR for spirituality. NO this is not the case.

Another point you are making is China is better. I can give you ten examples where India is better. But does it mean anything. Your dharma is towards your own country not towards China. While there is no harm in appreciating others, but comparing and letting ones own country down is sure a civilized crime.

Rest all I have explained. I still think you are a very intellectual soul. You have the right ammunition. But circumstances have deviated you from right dharma. there could be a planet in atichar motion inyour chart that takes you to vipareet Gyana.

Have a good time my friend. Just say Vande Maataram all the time.

Regards
Sonu

[sanjayk1265]

Dear Astrosonu,
You have tried to change the subject to avoid arguments this is a fantastic step thanks for that & what you mentioned about bad dreams I will discuss on it at some other time.To me it seems psychological issue. I also passed from this stage.Once I can recall my memories I will try my best to explain it.I am closing india china issue no point to continue it.This will create unnecessary arguments & that is not going to solve any thing.We have millions of issues to discuss.
Best Regards,
Sanjay

[Nitin21]

Dear Sanjay,

No Issues my friend. Vande Maataram

Regards
Sonu

[Nitin21]

Exchange of trade/commerce, traveling to foreign countries for work etc is never adharma in our Shastras. It is promoted.

wasn't crossing seas prohibited in Sastras?

Did'nt Hanuman cross the sea to rescue Sitadevi ?

[sanjayk1265]

Dear Astrosonu,
When a person think negative thoughts those are abstract slowly it convert in figure & with the fear these thoughts become nightmares these slowly changes to hallucination & then schizophrenia. There is no medicine for this mental disorder. Only physiatrist can help but can not cure compltely.But if you understood your real fear mostly unfounded with your will power you can come out from this situation. I passed this situation once upon a time.
What is the meaning of kalyug ,kal means machine this is the yug of technology. Because of this technology we are discussing behind screen.We are totally depend upon machine.
Meat eating is not bad nowadays they breed in forms. Brahmins was eating meat in satyug also there is a proof in Ram Charit Manas.
In fact human was a carnivore from its existence that is the reason we have an inactive apendics.Because raw meat is not eaten now.
Astrosonu jee you don’t drink,don’t womanize but I have one question one day you and I have to go to Indralok and there Somras & Rambha Urvashi also available so if you don’t learn to drink or dance on earth ,in Indralok when Rambha & Urvashi will offer you somras you will think it is lassi da glass & drink gut-gut-gut & you don’t know how to hold peg & admire Rambha & Urvashi.Better learn it how to hold peg how to dance how to embrace how to express love . I can advise you free of charge.No worry I will be there to guide you.
Even I advised to my Muslim friends also learn to drink on earth other wise they will go to Aabe-zamzam river that is flowing wine in zannat and start washing their face with wine instead of telling to some hoor in sensual style to get peg from aabe-zamzam.Trust me my Muslim friends are learning.
Best Regards,
See you in Indralok.
Sanjay

[Nitin21]

Dear Mr. Samir,

I have to disagree with you on this. I am 36 and have never had such dreams before. Only 3 consecutive days i had this dream in UK. So, it cannot be conditioning of mind. I did not explain this in detail before, as i did not feel there was anyone who wanted to get into detail. Now that i see the interest, i shall post.

I have stayed in UK before for 2 years. No such dreams happened. Went again for 2 months, no such dreams. But peace of mind was never there. There is a drastic change in my life patterns then and now. I had a thick layer of tamas over me then. Frequent consumption of non-veg, alcohol, smaller vices etc was at the core. what this does is, does not give right direction towards spirituality when the jeeva falters. A job loss is seen as mere non-updation of skills, loss of parents is seen as another phase in life (ye to hona hee thaa, umar ho chali thee), susception to cancer of mother was to be seen as a disease which has no cure etc. level of superficial thinking. Few advices from the foreign doctors and the intellectually stimulated garb concludes that the cancer is related to the multiplication of the cells in the bone marrow. Best scientific doctors in the world cannot cure her and organs get defunct one by one everyday. Conclusion: Blood has gone impure. Dream cure is to listen to some good songs at night to get peaceful sleep after washing feet. Child comes home and is left high and dry after 2-3 hours at school. We dump medicines and proteins down her throat thinking it is energy loss. Nothing works.

This is all superficial rajasik thinking, under the technical education that we have been brought up with. All these psychological analysis of problems by doctors cannot condition the mind to be better. We have few cases on forum itself, who have been having nightmare dreams since ages without having any preconceived notions of the subjects they see in the dreams. Doctors have not been able to help.

So, what you have mentioned is a very superficial analysis of the problem. It is like taking metacin for jaundice, which might subside fever for a day but the problem does not get cured completely.

It has to do with the Anadi jeeva characteristics prevalent for a soul. At every stage of life, the jeeva is being guided to the next probable destination of evolution, based on karmic patterns. The layer of tamas has gradually receded. The soul has taken the path which is coroding the tamas layer. The nadis have become sensitive to actions and reactions. The problem analysis is at the level where the problem exists actually and not where WE FEEL IT EXISTS (Rajasik Thinking). Our superficial feeling is limited to the physical part like neurology, blood circulation, oxygen flow, seeing horror movies and going to sleep etc..

A headless person in a dream is indicative of Ketu. A black dog barking right in your face is indicative of Kaal Bhairav's furore. A Wild buffalo running in the fields is indicative of Yama. If you take the advice of a Gora doctor for this dream, you are finished. 3 years back, I would have dismissed it and life would have moved on. A dream does not stop your life. But this is what is the learning the soul makes after evolving from one stage to another. To observe every event carefully. Watch the repurcussions as explained in Shastras. Doctors cannot give a definite longevity. Shastras do.

The dreams are omens that are indicative of what we go through and what is coming to us. Swapna Shastra has many such details of what each dream means. Hence the advice by Guruji.

Secondly, Ram is prevalent everywhere. Even Kali cannot operate without Ram presence in it. But the kali modes are not meant for worship as Upasana murty by Satvik souls as these fall under Tamas. HEAVY TAMAS. For this reason, we do not worship dustbin as having Shri Ram as controller in it, but we worship Satva modes only. Saniddhi of Ram exists in Satva only. In Rest, Ram exists as a controller. WHY ? Because there is a thick layer between BIMBA-PRATIBIMBA for tamas and rajasik souls.

Bharatvarsha has many rivers flowing. There is not going to be dearth of water, unless the king responds to jala tatwa with crude approach, causing wrath. There is a reason, All 9 avaratars of Shri Vishnu took birth in Bharatvarsha inspite of Ram being present everywhere. There is a reason, Mahabharata war took place in Kurukshetra as Delhi and not in London. It is not related to scientific thinking of some countries being advanced and some being not, irrespective of times. Even the last avatara of Shri Vishnu as Kalki will take birth in BharatVarsha only. Even before science can depict what size Shri Kalki would be it has been known that all humans will be size of a thumb only by that time.

Achamana is a very special ritual for dwijas and holders of tapta mudra dharane, to get rid of Kali tatvas in body temporarily during worship. This is not possible with recycled water, which is one of the main reasons for kali being prevalent everywhere in mletcha lands.

Regards
Sonu

[astroboy]

There is a reason, All 9 avaratars of Shri Vishnu took birth in Bharatvarsha inspite of Ram being present everywhere. There is a reason, Mahabharata war took place in Kurukshetra as Delhi and not in London

Bhai, Beautiful thoughts . You have a point here . India is indeed different form the rest of the world .No doubt about it .

Best regard's

[Talib]

Sonu Ji,

I kept this post in my Inbox for couple of days. as, i couldn't sent it to u through PM. Feeling like posting it today.


Thanks for sharing your experience. It is quite similar to what i am going through these days, i am living overseas from past 6 yrs. series of misshappening on family level, misunderstanding, betrayal, health issues in a very short span of time. I lost my sleep, bad dreams, total negativity such that even when i used to wake up i cld feel fire in my eyes, total lathargic body. that was black time of my life. But i never left chanting and kept my faith in god and always satisfied myself that wtever is happening is happening for my good.started meditation almost an year ago, but then at one stage i felt i need something more then meditation. I left my job and went to India for six months. started visiting ashram's, seeking spiritual master who cld guide me. but Sonu Ji i ended up with frustration, systme in India is too corrupt that even spirituality has become business, pseudo spiritual's are using people for their own benefits. 95 out of 100 people who i met in past six months were fake, many of them were using some sort of siddhi to influence or control people. but i always felt a divine protection wd me, which saved me from getting in trap. Then i realised there must be some fault in me that i am getting in contact wd these people, may be i wasnt rippen. "frustrated", i went to vrindavan and spent some good days there, there i kept on asking almighty to take me to the right direction. After Vrindavan i went to a place called "KOSI", as guided by a person who i admire a lot. just after these visit's everything changed infact, everything started happening its own. I met many blessed souls and got their blessings, i wld say it was effect of those blessings that right people started coming in my contact.


First of all i met a baba ji, who was a tapsvi and 110 yrs old. he told me meaning of many mantras , kriyas, and shalokas. i was blessed . In our first meeting he asked me to come closer to him and then he gave me a tight slap. i tell u sonu g till that day i had never seen stars in the day light My chik become red red chik, eyes wet, bit anger ..but then baba Ji told me that dont mind this slap was not for you. i did not understand but after that day i felt so refreshing that i cant explain..my thinking, my attitude , my decisions everything changed and become fruitful. I wonder if it was "mind conditioning" or blessing and grace of a Kind soul, then started series of sadhu sangat. i realised its only sadhu sangat and prabhu simran that can save me. and then i spent my rest of holidays only in search of sadhus and seeking for their blessings.


I also got my leaf in bhrigu samhita and got to know that i will soon find my Guru. i cant tell you how happy i was. Anyways, my visa got expired and i had to come back. I had this same feeling that i am going back to negativity again, where even vegeterian food is full of tamas. wt ever i have earned in this past six months i am going to loose in this negativity. I again prayed to almighty from my heart. The very next day of my arrival i got in to contact with this person who is from gaudiya math,though he call himself a "Maletch" and a fallen one, but he came like a saving factor and become my best and only mate in this foriegn land. he asked me to meet in shiva vishnu tepmle where i spend most of my free time. Another sadhu came in my life. we started spending time together, started doing japa together, total positivity . The way he behaved with me was like he knew what i am looking for.He gave me different books to read, which cleaned my mind and cleared those thinking which may took me to wrong side. My gratitude to almighty for taking care of me.


Though no one in my family is happy with my decision of going back home but i have decided to leave this country and looking forward to it. Moving to abroad was because of different mind set and i am glad that almighty has fullfilled my all desires but in his mysterious way's. System in india may be corrupt but there is still no comparison of spiritual wealth. Hope all goes well and i soon go back where i belong to. . Everyones perception is different, people may look at the negative side of India but I believe,real "atmvikas" is only possible in India.


East or West India Is the best.
Love

[Nitin21]

Talibji - Amazing experience Indeed. I shall write details later tonight. But to begin with i would suggest keep tulasi beeds in your pocket all the time when you are outside. That will take care of lot of things.

Regards
Sonu

[Talib]

Sonu Ji,

I do keep tulsi beeds with me all the time.

Thanks

Love

[kunalbhardwaj27]

by Talib » Tue Apr 12, 2011 1:06 am
East or West India Is the best.

[Sudarshang]

Sonu Ji,

I kept this post in my Inbox for couple of days. as, i couldn't sent it to u through PM. Feeling like posting it today.


Thanks for sharing your experience. It is quite similar to what i am going through these days, i am living overseas from past 6 yrs. series of misshappening on family level, misunderstanding, betrayal, health issues in a very short span of time. I lost my sleep, bad dreams, total negativity such that even when i used to wake up i cld feel fire in my eyes, total lathargic body. that was black time of my life. But i never left chanting and kept my faith in god and always satisfied myself that wtever is happening is happening for my good.started meditation almost an year ago, but then at one stage i felt i need something more then meditation. I left my job and went to India for six months. started visiting ashram's, seeking spiritual master who cld guide me. but Sonu Ji i ended up with frustration, systme in India is too corrupt that even spirituality has become business, pseudo spiritual's are using people for their own benefits. 95 out of 100 people who i met in past six months were fake, many of them were using some sort of siddhi to influence or control people. but i always felt a divine protection wd me, which saved me from getting in trap. Then i realised there must be some fault in me that i am getting in contact wd these people, may be i wasnt rippen. "frustrated", i went to vrindavan and spent some good days there, there i kept on asking almighty to take me to the right direction. After Vrindavan i went to a place called "KOSI", as guided by a person who i admire a lot. just after these visit's everything changed infact, everything started happening its own. I met many blessed souls and got their blessings, i wld say it was effect of those blessings that right people started coming in my contact.


First of all i met a baba ji, who was a tapsvi and 110 yrs old. he told me meaning of many mantras , kriyas, and shalokas. i was blessed . In our first meeting he asked me to come closer to him and then he gave me a tight slap. i tell u sonu g till that day i had never seen stars in the day light My chik become red red chik, eyes wet, bit anger ..but then baba Ji told me that dont mind this slap was not for you. i did not understand but after that day i felt so refreshing that i cant explain..my thinking, my attitude , my decisions everything changed and become fruitful. I wonder if it was "mind conditioning" or blessing and grace of a Kind soul, then started series of sadhu sangat. i realised its only sadhu sangat and prabhu simran that can save me. and then i spent my rest of holidays only in search of sadhus and seeking for their blessings.


I also got my leaf in bhrigu samhita and got to know that i will soon find my Guru. i cant tell you how happy i was. Anyways, my visa got expired and i had to come back. I had this same feeling that i am going back to negativity again, where even vegeterian food is full of tamas. wt ever i have earned in this past six months i am going to loose in this negativity. I again prayed to almighty from my heart. The very next day of my arrival i got in to contact with this person who is from gaudiya math,though he call himself a "Maletch" and a fallen one, but he came like a saving factor and become my best and only mate in this foriegn land. he asked me to meet in shiva vishnu tepmle where i spend most of my free time. Another sadhu came in my life. we started spending time together, started doing japa together, total positivity . The way he behaved with me was like he knew what i am looking for.He gave me different books to read, which cleaned my mind and cleared those thinking which may took me to wrong side. My gratitude to almighty for taking care of me.


Though no one in my family is happy with my decision of going back home but i have decided to leave this country and looking forward to it. Moving to abroad was because of different mind set and i am glad that almighty has fullfilled my all desires but in his mysterious way's. System in india may be corrupt but there is still no comparison of spiritual wealth. Hope all goes well and i soon go back where i belong to. . Everyones perception is different, people may look at the negative side of India but I believe,real "atmvikas" is only possible in India.


East or West India Is the best.
Love

Very well written!

[Nitin21]

Talibji,

First of all I am glad that you finally met someone for real in spirituality. That I believe is God's grace. I too came across my Guruji in 2nd Quarter 2009 sometime. After that life changed. Fortunately for me, I never fell into corrupt hands. But, yes I must admit i did fall into hands which did not have roots deep into the spiritual aspect. But those were not corrupt though.

Talibji as i mentioned before, everyone makes his destiny as per Rinhanubandha. This rinh has to be paid at the place from where it was incurred. So, if we are destined to go abroad, there may not be an option. Travelling abroad is a bad yoga in shastras, which has become a boon in today's material world. From your points , I can see that you had great determination to sustain and enhance the efforts to proceed towards purity of soul, amidst all the storm. This eventually pays off. When one faces problems like you have mentioned above, either one is facing Sade Sati OR Rahu is sitting on the back. These are past birth debts. During these times only Narayana smaran helps. He is the only one who wipes the sins.

I am not sure which country you are in and hence the water as i mentioned for UK may not be the same type in the country you are in. But Gow-Brahmana-dwesh will be there for sure. So, depending on the sanchita punya in our account, we face the extent of miseries. Manu smriti states that mletcha sambhashan snatches away all the punya accumulated. So, one may do sadhana daily only to come back in the evening, to empty the account in foreign lands. This may not be the effect for the thick skinned people, as their sole aim is to enjoy the best available on earth, irrespective of vedic dictums of right and wrong. The points that we are discussing applies only to the people, who are willing to progress the journey of the soul towards salvation OR Nishkaam Seva towards the Lord. For this purpose, the jeeva tries to reduce the negative rinha even at the cost of current life miseries. Because, by losing the current material benefits, one advances the soul towards the feet of Shri Hari. When this approach becomes steadfast, one does not falter. But when the mohakara samskaras take over the mind, the jeeva gets deviated from this goal and induces the necessity to take more multiple births to achieve the same goal.

We are anadi jeevas, totally dependent on the Lord. We were never created nor will be ever destroyed. 28 manavantaras have passed by and we are still taking birth meaning there is a lot more to happen with us and it is high time, we became steadfast in our love towards Shri Hari.

I have enabled my PM. If you feel good, please share your birth details. Let me see if there is something that we can together work out, to get you out of current miseries.

Regards
Sonu

[nb25]

Hello astroSonuji and Talibji.

I too bow to your quest for truth and spirituality.
and thanx for sharing ur experiences with that GREAT POWER
i was today feeling very low and ur posts have helped me in retriving the FAITH which
unfoutunately i was loosing bcoz of my problems
hence Pl. keep up ur great works


GOD BLESS TO ALL,
Nutan

[Talib]

Sudarshang Ji, samir ji, Nutan Ji,

Thanks for the encouragment.

Nutan Ji,

Doubt has two directions, one results in loosing faith, it is definietelly result of our selfishness and ego. we human has tendency to blame others including God for our sufferings. I recently met this close relative of mine who said "jisne mere saath bura kiya hai vo yahin per bhugat k jayenge" this person out of ego doesnt want to understand this particular abuse is the answer of his own sufferings,he must have done wrong to someone and that is why "vo bhugat raha hai", moreover by abusing others he again accumalating negative karma's. Other direction of doubt makes our faith more strong, by keeping us away from getting trap and following blindfaith. it is always our choice which direction we want to move. see, keeping our soul happy should be our primary aim and believe me, once we keep it happy it starts finding its way to truth by filtering all the things which are hinderences in one's journey. this is something which i am experiencing but cant not explain, but i am sure that only a happy soul can progress and keeping FAITH in almighty, chanting his glories, gratitude to him, understanding samskaras are characterstics of a "HAPPY SOUL".


bad time is bound to pass (ye samay be nikal jayega)

Keep Faith

Love

[milredr]

Nicely written Talib...

[dreamsunlimited]

Very nice logic, Talibji. Way to go.

[Sudarshang]

Just felt like sharing this based on the present context of Talib's last post:

When we are suffering - we are actually spending some of the negative karma we have accumulated. Since everybody's goal in the eventually spend all the Karma, positive and negative, if it so happens that we are suffering because of the actions of an individual, we should in fact be THANKFUL to that person that we got an opportunity to spend that negative karma that is in store!

Swami Koorathazhwan, one of Ramanuja's foremost disciples, lives this principle so beautifully! There was a person named Nalooran in the court of the Chola king those days (11th Century). This Chola king was a Saivite and was constantly troubling Vaishnavites. Nalooran told the Chola king about Swami Ramanuja and prodded the king to make him agree that Shiva was mightier than Vishnu. The King sent for Swami Ramanuja. Swami Koorathazhwan came to know about this. Immediately he convinced Swami Ramanuja to escape from Srirangam. Now in Ramanuja's place swami Koorathazhwan and another of Swmi Ramanuja's disciples by name Periya Nambigal went to the Chola king's court. Using intelligent arguments Swami Koorathzhwan tried to convince the Chola King that Shiva is not ParaBrahmam. Narayana is. The king wont be convinced. He asked Koorathazhwan to sign on a paper that there is nothing bigger in existence than Shiva. Koorathazhwan cleverly mocking it, wrote on the paper that Dronam is bigger than Shivam (Shivam and Dronam are units of measurement). King understood the mockery and immediately ordered both the disciples to the blinded. Swami Koorathazhwan ended up pulling his own eyeballs out and remained blind all his life. Even later on when Swami Ramanuja asked Koorathazhwan to plead with the Lord to restore his eyesight, he refuses to ask the Lord for anything!

Now, considering that he underwent so much of pain (Separation of more than 12 years from his Guru Ramanuja, Endangerment to Swami Ramanuja's school of Vishitadvaita, loss of Swami Peryia Nambi's life when they were returning form the Chola King's court, Having to live his life blind etc.,) because of the plot hatched by Nalooran, normally Swami must have been angry towards him. However, at the time when he ascended to Moksha - the Lord asked to ask for 2 favors - The First favor he asked for was Moksha for Nalooran!! and Lord did give Moksha to Nalooran as well! Sri Vaishnavas even today celebrate the "thirunakshatra" (popularly known as "star birthday") of Nalooran! If it were not thanking Nalooran for the suffering he underwent, what else could be it?

The second favor he asked the Lord was Moksha for all people associated with him....Swami Ramanuja, in fact, after hearing this danced on the streets that he was going to get Moksha because of Swami Koorathazhwan!

Swami Koorathazhwan Thiruvadigale Charanam.

[Sudarshang]

I suppose this might be related to this topic as well ... How you do respond to idiots like this that call themselves "rationalists" and yet don't understand the rationality behind the Sanatana Dharma?

http://nirmukta.com/2011/04/14/dialogue ... kersfield/

[Nitin21]

I suppose this might be related to this topic as well ... How you do respond to idiots like this that call themselves "rationalists" and yet don't understand the rationality behind the Sanatana Dharma?

http://nirmukta.com/2011/04/14/dialogue ... kersfield/

These are chamchas of Darwin who believe we were monkeys before. What they see is what they believe. I wonder how do they believe how they were born, because at the time of their parents' Scientifical semen-ovary Conference, they were not present.

These should not be debated with. A debate about the Sanatan dharma should solve the purpose of bringing a satvika to the ground reality. If the basics are not clear to the other people OR the satva is not visible even 1%, they should be given a chance to commit suicide and take another birth to unlearn the futile learning of current birth, and learn real samskaras, which their intellectual garb will prevent them from gathering in the current birth.

Bottom line, never argue with an idiot, he will bring you down to his level, with experience.