How to improve Concentration

[Talib]

But please don't take me wrong. What my point was, for a understanding person like you, is to find out the reason behind the need for concentration.

I am really sorry Krishna Ji, for not understanding your point. i got it now,i am aware of my reason behind the need for concentration and i agree that reason behind everything shld be worked out first. a teacher dont have to apologies its always fault of dumb student

And you said about one mind focusing and other part wondering, but both are the same mind, point is who is that watching both the minds or this scene?! ( I don't understand how concentration is linked to this, coz if u concentrate there would be a tension and naturally our mind is dual during that. But awareness is different which is just simple look but relaxedly, infact you don't effort to look even, it happens)

I think i was not clear in what i was trying to explain. i will send you a pm. but definietly the right word should have been attention. .

PANJABI or PATHAN Ki Larai Ho Rahi Thi

PANJABI:KHAN Hum Tera Kapra Phar k Tumko Nanga Kar Dega

PATHAN:KHOCHA Serious Larai Me ROMANTIC baat Mat Karo:)

Love

[krishnagopal1968]

Basab ji,

yes, you are right. That which we love, is a key to understanding.

[Basab]

Anupamji,

Yesterday when I was thinking about what I told you about what Sri Ramakrishna has said to the girl about meditating on her brother, I remembered something similar I had read in 'The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna' (abridged), where M, asks Sri Ramakrishna if it is okay if he meditated on his mother, because he didn't believe in God with form, and Sri Ramakrishna said that he can do that, but again when I searched it in the book, I couldn't find the exact page where it's written. God is surely playing hide-and-seek with me.

[krishnagopal1968]

Dear Talib Ji,

Thanks for the jokes. It really shows you are growing more.

But Concentration and Meditation are two different things. We can say focused attention is concentration but Meditation is a relaxed awareness. Concentration is a doing whereas Meditation is not a doing but a happening.Yes we prepare for meditation by doing but it always happens.

When we watch a movie, are we making an effort to notice breathing? We become quiet and notice it.

In other times when we watch breathing , is it not becomes a tension because of effort?

Talib Ji, I am not a teacher and you a student. The same nature is inside you and me. I may have more moments of understanding and you may have less.Only that.

Now let us come to humour part.

"""""""""After making a trip of South India, Santa Singh, his wife and his son were
returning to Punjab in Tamilnadu Express. Santa Singh was occupying the
lower berth, his wife the middle berth and his son the top most
berth in the train.
When train stopped at one of the stations on the way back the son
requested Santa Singh to bring him a cup of ice cream to
which Santa readily agreed. When Santa and his son returned they found that a
South INdian who couldn't understand Hindi had occupied his son's berth.
Outraged, Santa Singh called the TTE and asked him to help. TTE
requested that he could not understand Hindi/Punjabi so it would be better if
Santha Singh explained the whole situation to him in English. Santa
explained, "That man sleeping on top of my wife not giving berth to my child"."""""""""

[Basab]

Krishnaji,

I feel that way, too. Love has the power to teach everything. If one does any work with all his heart and soul in it, he will get one step closer to God, that way also, I believe.

[Talib]

But Concentration and Meditation are two different things. We can say focused attention is concentration but Meditation is a relaxed awareness. Concentration is a doing whereas Meditation is not a doing but a happening.Yes we prepare for meditation by doing but it always happens.

Dear Krishna Ji,

Exactly my point. and we can understand only when we have that urge. and we jump into it. Mere temporary interest will take us nowhere. actually this thread was wrong it wasnt a genuine query on concentration but on attention. and members took it to meditation wdout knowing anythhing or experiencing anything. i can be doctor after reading books but i am not eligible for operations. to get eligible for operations i have to go through "clinicals" and then after clinicals i may understand most of the definitions.

In other times when we watch breathing , is it not becomes a tension because of effort?

no krishna ji, for me, whenever i watch my breath it gives me relaxation. may b coz i dont have to put effort.

"What is the difference between a wife and a girlfriend?

About 45 pounds!"
Love

[pari]

Exactly my point. and we can understand only when we have that urge. and we jump into it. Mere temporary interest will take us nowhere. actually this thread was wrong it wasnt a genuine query on concentration but on attention. and members took it to meditation wdout knowing anythhing or experiencing anything. i can be doctor after reading books but i am not eligible for operations. to get eligible for operations i have to go through "clinicals" and then after clinicals i may understand most of the definitions.

Ohk....U guys know what is the problem with forum going on....Everyone is trying to become a master stating they are right and the person who has a query is wrong or genuine. Don't forget there is only one master in this universe. That is the supreme power "GOD"....How can u decide on anyone else's behalf that what is wrong....whether the query was a genuine one or not. Coz when one gave a solution, the other one challenged it....so u both can't win with each other and to make each other happy....let us say the query was wrong.....

For God's sake when will you stop blaming and dragging others when u are not able to defend or prove your words.....Start accepting, u understood incorrectly or was not able to justify it.....This is a materialistic world, we are humans and not Swami Vivekananda and Ramakrishna who would know the difference...if someone is able to identify the logical difference between some words, he/she would not have raised the question....They might be clear on answers as well.....


At the end when each one justified themselves then u were also right, i was also right , the query was not genuine....If it was not genuine then why no one had the guts to make the person understand in the beginning.... why telling it later on especially at a time, when u discovered after a long debate. The queriest never debated before coming here....

[Talib]

Pari,

There is no need to go hyper, if you read that line again I wrote it wasn't genuine query on concentration but on "attention" and in our discussion too krishna ji wanted us to be more focused on reasons. Ur query was genuine but to understand something we need to understand the basics. We can not straightway jump to concentraion wdout understanding attention. That's y the correction . I dOnt know if u took benefit from this discussion but I did. No one is a master and I too believe god is the only big boss. All we doing is sharing and if u felt offended coz u misinterpret the statement I can't help it. Language and words are always the biggest problem.

Love

[pari]

Pari,

All we doing is sharing and if u felt offended coz u misinterpret the statement I can't help it.

Love

Now too....the same thing....I misinterpret the statement.....Were u able to interpret it before krishna entered into conversation....When u spoke with krishna u said, the query was wrong, i too meant the same thing....now u are saying the query was not wrong....i took it wrongly....I definitely think there is a benefit or learning from every discussion even those are pointless, the derivation was infact very good.....But what is the point proving urself right and the other wrong....About being hyper, I am rather straight forward and blunt....Accepting u were wrong somewhere will not let u down. Still u r saying, U can't help me, if i misunderstand things...... I feel sorry for u and just have a feeling for your mindset.

[Talib]

Pari,
Ok I accept I was wrong.
Love

[pari]

Thats the right attitude....

It will help u in future....

[Talib]

Hahaha thanks for being worried abt my future . Same attack

[pari]

Hahaha thanks for being worried abt my future . Same attack

U r welcum dear.......

May god bless u.

[Talib]

May god bless us all ..... Dear

Love

[Basab]

Anupamji,

I have been reading the biography of Sri Ramakrishna again, and when I came to the portion, which I had talked about, I remembered, you had asked me to quote it. So here's quoting from page 431 of Swami Nikhilananda's, 'LIFE OF SRI RAMAKRISHNA':

"The daughter of the Brahmo devotee, Manilal Mallik, was very pious and cherished a high regard for the Master. She was greatly distracted during meditation. One day she told the Master about it and asked his advice. He asked her whom she loved the most in the world. She replied that it was her brother's child. The Master told her to meditate on the boy, thinking of him as the Baby-Krishna. The lady followed this novel instruction, and as a result of the concentration that ensued, was blessed in a short time with various divine visions."

Then Ramakrishna told the girl, then meditate thinking of your younger brother! And when the girl followed Sri Ramakrishna's advice, she got into deep levels of meditation

Dear Basab,

If you have that autobiography of Ramakrishna Paramhansa still in your possession can you quote his exact words here because this is a new food of thought for me. Honestly I did not read it. Might be I missed that why God knows. Of course I very well remember that once Vivekananda was feeling highly uncomfortable in concentrating due to sound of the siren that used to come from a factory in his meditating hours and then Ramakrishna adviced him to concentrate on the sound of siren itself.