Miseries and Misfortunes

[shilpa]

Dear All,

What causes, miseries and misfortunes of collosal order....I mean the type where within weeks & months the lives of some natives change.....loss of Job/ death in the family/ severe disease/accidents/ debts/ insults/ injuries have been seen to hit suddenly sometimes...causing deep and prolonged sufferings.

When they are beyond the normal rotuine problems and collosal in nature....the trigger would be generally a change of Dasa/ antardasa and / or a transit.

But the cause and remdies should be looked at from the Trimamsha, D-30, the recommend chart for misries and misfortunes.

Here is an attempt to delineate and simplify the first look excersie using D-30.

Althouhg classics talk about D-30...they are typical dictums, trasnsliterations from sanskrit, scattered and disconnected gems
Primary refrences are:
works of S. rath, Barabara Pijan, and various books and commentaries dealing with Trimshamsha

1) D-30 Lagna Lord will always cause some problems however beneifc he might be especially in his periods. He is the weak-point for the native.
The indicator of karmik debts and sharapas carried forward.

2) However if D30 lord is malefic in Rasi and Navamsa, the severity of the problems caused will be much more.

3)The house in D-1 corresponding to the Rasi that is the Lagna in D-30 is the focal point of problems in natives life.

4)the placement lagna lord of Rasi in D-30 should be looked at similarly as the secondary source of problems.

5)8th is the house to focus on in Trimsamsa to see the planets / grahas tahat will further cause problems.

6) rahu transits over the Trimsamsa Lagna can bring severe and catostrophic consequences..especially if he is malefic in Rasi chart

7)12th house in Trimamsha shows the exit path from the bad...a benefic in 12th is good....malefic will delay exists.
since 12th is the 5th from the 8th...and 5th is the house of mantras/ prayers.

8] [edit] UnLike with all higher charts...D-30 is not so sensitive to birth Times .....as the Asc does not change in about 20 minutes window, because of the method used in calculations in JHORA, see appended below from PVR Narsimharao

regards


From: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao
To: Shilpa
Cc: [email protected], [email protected]


Re: Is there a bug in JHORA D30 calculations ??
Fri May 27th, 2011 2:32 AM IST

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Namaste,

Please read BPHS (Brihat Parasara Hora Sastram). First 3 deg, second deg, 3rd 3 deg etc of a sign are mapped to different signs in D10. But D30 is different. Not every degree in a sign is mapped to different signs in D30. An arc of 5 deg, an arc of 8 deg etc are mapped together to a single sign in D30.

Bottomline: JHora is correct if you follow Parasara's definition. If you want a cyclical D30 where each sign is mapped to a different sign, please change D30 option and use "Parivritti Trimsamsa". JHora default is Parasara's D30.

Best regards,
Narasimha

[shilpa]

further Sun and Moon are not assigned a role in D-30....being lumanaries they bring light and joy...and not darkness in lives.
and D-30 being the chart for dark/ evil/ misery & misfortune.

regards

[Rag]

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[shilpa]

Hi Shipa,

I'm sending you a PM re my personal situation. I would be greatful for your reply whenever you have time.

thanks,

Rag

I will look later today .
regards

[Maharani]

Hi shilpa,

How does a strong yogakaraka function in the D30? In your response to my q about the D24, you pointed out that my Mars in 10/Aries is protective-I have a cancer asc so Mars is yogakaraka. Is this reflected in my D30? If you are willing to check this, please use the rectified TOB of 5:55pm-for my data, February 17, 1955, Mumbai India. THanks!

[nirmala]

Dear Shilpa ji,
Thank you for starting this thread. It fits my situation very aptly.
I have been facing hurdles in every aspect of life for the many years. But in the past 6 months, My life has taken a 180 degress turn. I have lost almost everything... My relationship, finances, job etc.
I have had personal, proffesional and financial losses in a short span of 6 months.. my life just turned upside down!
Till Sept last year, I had everything. Life was a bed of roses.The period from Feb 2010 to Sept 2010 was the best time of my life till now. I couldn't have complained about a single thing. Then from Oct, my downfall started, slowly but steadily I started losing everything. I lost my relationship, I had a huge accident and had severe financial loss. Last blow was to my career, I lost my job last week.

My DOB is : 20/7/1983 , 4:16 pm, Delhi, India


I will be grateful if you could shed light on why this happened, what caused it and most importanlt when things will work out for me.. if ever.
I will be indepted for your help.


Regards,
Nirmala

[shilpa]

Hi shilpa,

How does a strong yogakaraka function in the D30? In your response to my q about the D24, you pointed out that my Mars in 10/Aries is protective-I have a cancer asc so Mars is yogakaraka. Is this reflected in my D30? If you are willing to check this, please use the rectified TOB of 5:55pm-for my data, February 17, 1955, Mumbai India. THanks!

Dear Maharani,
Hope you are well !

I will be happy to look at your D30 and answer your query.
It would help my effort if you furnish the folowing info:

1) More details about your Mars dasa whihc you said in your last note that you will come back with in greater detail. Also include any disappointments/ misfortune that may have occured during that MD.

2) and generally speaking what do you consider the biggest misfirtune / misery / disappointment of your life thus far?

regards

[astro123]

thanks on the article shilpa.. Does this hold true if Asc lord of both d-1 and d-30 is the same...Asc lord generally of d-1 is considered a benefic but and d-30 as per the dictum above will be a malefic ?

[Vaughn Paul]

Hi Shilpa and others,
Another really great book on the Divisional Charts is called, Predict Comprehensively Through Divisional Charts, by V.P. Goel who's a senior teacher at K.N. Rao's school, Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan in New Delhi. This book just came out in December and it is quite thorough at about 400 pages long. Vaughn Paul

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Hi astro123

Aside from your question, Sarajit Poddar mentioned that if the Lagna of D-1 and the Lagna of D-30 are the same sign, the individual would have most of his diseases during childhood. By extrapolative reasoning, if the diseases are mental etc. and not physical, I would think the person would have master most of his handicaps by adulthood.

But with regards to your question, the person would continue to experience miseries and misfortunes throughout live. This is not just through Shilpa's current post, but in my another post where I said if the Lagna of D-1 coincides with ANY of the Lagna of the divisional charts, the areas covered by that divisional chart would be emphasised.

But the Lagna of D-30 seems to have a strong effect with regards to the above principle ie. its effects would be more if D-1 Lagna coincide with the Lagna of D-30 than other divisional charts considered, because of 2 reasons :

(1) D-30 is one of the main charts under the 10 divisional chart scheme unlike say D-6 which also stands for miseries but is not part of the 10 Varga scheme.

(2) Of the 10 divisional chart scheme, D-30 is the only chart whose use is for the prognostication of evil (take 30 divide by 12 giving a remainder 6) just like D-6. The other charts in the 10 divisional chart scheme do not give a remainder of 6 when divided by 12.

D-60, the other chart in the 10 divisional chart scheme, gives a remainder of 0 when divided by 12 meaning 12th Bhava is the Karya House. But 12th Bhava though a Dusthana, can swing either way of being a neutral or malefic depending on the chart.

Warmest Regards
Hock Leong

[Khoo Hock Leong]

That goes the same for D-12 in the 10 divisional chart scheme which also gives a remainder of 0. But dealing with parents, it pertains more to the inherited traits from your parents and that I would say is not totally evil as you can inherit good traits from your parents as well.

[Maharani]

Hi Shilpa,

Here are the details you asked for:

1) More details about your Mars dasa whihc you said in your last note that you will come back with in greater detail. Also include any disappointments/ misfortune that may have occured during that MD.
** If I am correct about the dates, Mars MD was from 1995-2002. In mid-1992 I attained my dream of a faculty position at a major research institute in the US. In 1996 I came up for tenure. However I got really burned out, didnt get tenure, and in late 1996 moved back to the West Coast to begin a new career in fundraising, at which I am very good, and because of my training, have an edge over most people in my field. However, I had to start at the bottom again. Between 1996-2002 I built my new career successfully and ended up well positioned for a new position in 2003, at the start of Rahu MD. THE MAJOR disappointment in that time frame was not getting tenure, particularly as there are not many unmarried Indian women in my position, and it is something I fought for very hard. One challenge I deal with every day is the transition from faculty to staff, which can be difficult to adjust to-there is definitely a change in ones status from very high to not so high. I am surprised it happened in Mars Dasa.

2) and generally speaking what do you consider the biggest misfirtune / misery / disappointment of your life thus far?

** Not getting tenure. I also resent the unrelenting MINDLESS pressure of the Indian community on women to get married and have kids whether or not they want to. I remain disappointed by the total lack of support for my ambitions by my community and family. My parents, to whom it never occurred to celebrate my PhD (the first in the family!) with a bottle of champagne (I got a handshake), wasted thousands and thousands of pounds on a stupid wedding (utterly commonplace) for my brother, the precious "only son" and 500 other idiots-when he married a crazy airhead with no skills, no ambition, no talent, and who couldnt even get a drivers license. And he is still living at home! I have 20 times his brains and drive, but he is the only one who mattered to them.

[shilpa]

thanks on the article shilpa.. Does this hold true if Asc lord of both d-1 and d-30 is the same...Asc lord generally of d-1 is considered a benefic but and d-30 as per the dictum above will be a malefic ?

Dear astro123,

Khoo has answered in great details....adding his researched insights which are new and informative for me.

I would only suggest taking your statement underlined not in black & white...but in gray.

Just like many things in our Vedic astrology....this is another example of trade-offs. While D-30 lordship tainst and weakens Ascendant.........D-1 lordship tones down the maleficity.
Further this would make the Asc. in Vargottama between D-1 and D-30, indicating to me a natural/ harmonic alignment to fight the advesity and misfortunes.

You could ask the native with such a case ot verify how the periods and sub-periods of the ascendant lords...especially the events when Rahu transitted over the ascendant.

Regards

[Rag]

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[shilpa]

Hi Shilpa,

Here are the details you asked for:

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Dear Maharani,
Thanks for the details.
see my thoughts below:

1) Undoubtedly Mars has taken you to great heights by being so well placed in it's house of Digabla in the Rasi chart and also in Dasa-varga charts ( an amasabala of 9....unbelievable).....it will take you higher & further in your career. I have absolutely no doubts about that either.

2) But as I told astro123 in this same thread and have often said before our system of Vedic astrology ia one of trade-offs....often times the same strength that gives you a lot.....is a negative also in some areas of life..

It is generalyl said that an extreme strength is also a blind spot.
The same planet gives a lot many times takes away some.

3) Mars is indeed the Ascendant Lord of the Trimamsa...so it will cause your problems of some kind in life.

and per the D-30 analysis rules.....the most impact that Mars makes is in your 5th house of Rasi( scorpio)...because Scorpio is the Asc house in D30.

Mars as the ruler of 5th and so strong in the 10th and dasavarga....gives you 5th house significations like Fame, fortune, Sucesss in intellect/ academic or related field rise.

But Mars the Trimamsa lord takes away some part of 5th house significations....such as Romance, love based phsyical relations, delay in having children....and hence the associated stress that comes from this aspect of life socially.

5) Further the D1 asendant Lord Moon sits in the 6th house of services and obstacles and hurdles......there will always be people wanting to pull you down or throw hurdles in your path....
Always the strong Mars related to your professional house will give you the courage to fight and overcome......but hurdles will be there.

3) Lastly the graha in the 8th house of Trimamsa is Venus...the planet of love/ relations ( both physical and emotional)....is the area of deprivation and Hurt and it validates the 5th house deprivations also.

4)and the exit path from deprivation as shown by 12th house of Trimamsa is Jup, the karak of knowldege / wisdom and Saturn the lord of spirituality sitting there,

Continued persuance of knowldege/ wisdom based professions / vocations and spirituality will help you either attian what the graha in 8th ( Venus) deprives you......or atleast overcome the affects.

Yours is one of the many charts of successful people I have seen that is blessed and deprived simultaneously...you have to undertsand your destiny and align with it.


regards

[shilpa]

Hi Shilpa and others,
Another really great book on the Divisional Charts is called, Predict Comprehensively Through Divisional Charts, by V.P. Goel who's a senior teacher at K.N. Rao's school, Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan in New Delhi. This book just came out in December and it is quite thorough at about 400 pages long. Vaughn Paul

Hi Vaughn Paul,
thx for the refrence to a new book availbale in divisional charts

The one that I found useful also is called Vargas a Vedic appraoch by one Lt. Col Rajkumar

[shilpa]

Hi Shipa,

I'm sending you a PM re my personal situation. I would be greatful for your reply whenever you have time.

thanks,

Rag

Dear Rag,

I looked at your chart and tried corelating with some event....and to me it appears that the birth time may be off by a couple of minutes.
your BT appears rounded off also.

Please can you share more details:

like the degrees you have
date of marriage
date of child birth
when you went overseas
any other events that you might think are pertinent

regards

[astro123]

thanks KHL & Shilpa on ur insights

[Rag]

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[Sunds]

Hi Shilpaji,
Can you please look into my D-30 Chart and comment....I am having tons of miseries....
DOB:6/Sept./1968
Time: 3.40 AM
Place: Chennai
Waiting for your reply.
Regards,
Sunder.

[Maharani]

Dear Shilpa,

Thanks for the analysis, which was very interesting-I agree, one's strengths are often the source of ones weaknesses or flaws, and I quite understand that such a strong Mars-especially in the chart of an Indian woman, will be a source of challenge. After all, Indian women of my generation were expected to be feminine and compliant, not ambitious and self reliant-my mother still says I have no nazook (feminine graces) which is ridiculous really as I wear a sari or a business suit with grace when I want to and was doing it years ago....It drives me nuts, and besides, what use is nazook in the real world anyway? When we are alone in life we have to develop the skills needed to manage life-but to my way of thinking that makes you stronger and more competent, not less so. It is lonely at times, but that is not as scary as many people fear.. You get used to it and then you come to prefer it over continually being with crowds of people.

[shilpa]

Hi Shipa,

I'm sending you a PM re my personal situation. I would be greatful for your reply whenever you have time.

thanks,

Rag

Dear Rag,

I looked at your chart and tried corelating with some event....and to me it appears that the birth time may be off by a couple of minutes.
your BT appears rounded off also.

Please can you share more details:

like the degrees you have
date of marriage
date of child birth
when you went overseas
any other events that you might think are pertinent

regards

Hi Shilpa,

Thank you so much. I have just sent you a PM re my details.

warm regards,

Rag

Dear Rag,
Thx for the event details in PM....

From Trimamsa the problem areas in the chart are:

1)D30, Lagna Lord is Jup.
2)D30 Lagan Rasi is Pisces, which corresponds to 5th house in yuor chart.
3) D1 Lagna lord Mars is placed in the 4th house of Trimamsa denoting problems affect the home conditions throuhg harsh behaviours
4) 8th house of Trimamsa has again Jupiter seated in it...confirming the trouble making planet
5) 12th house of relief has benefic Moon

--Jup is placed in the 8th house which amongst other things denotes the physical / conjugal bliss from marriage (being 2nd from 7th hpouse of marriage). Jupiter also is zero amsabala in dasavarga.

--The house in the Rasi chart that indicates the problems is Pisces is the 5th...whihc amongst other things denotes Romance /Physical comforts from legal relations.

--- The affected shows in home / domestic matters as harsh environment is created.

--Suggest you lower your expectations in marriage...especially the closeness part phsyically and emotionally. Let it run dutifully as a karmik responsibility, it will not break. Use your mind ( denoted by Moon in the 12th to get over material and emotional desires).
Marriage will survive....as long as you are willing to accept it as an unromnatic, dutiful grind.

--Pray to brihaspatidev on Thursday......do poojan avoid non-veg and fast if you can........you will find relief.


Regards

[Rag]

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[shilpa]

Dear Shilpa ji,
Thank you for starting this thread. It fits my situation very aptly.
I have been facing hurdles in every aspect of life for the many years. But in the past 6 months, My life has taken a 180 degress turn. I have lost almost everything... My relationship, finances, job etc.
I have had personal, proffesional and financial losses in a short span of 6 months.. my life just turned upside down!
Till Sept last year, I had everything. Life was a bed of roses.The period from Feb 2010 to Sept 2010 was the best time of my life till now. I couldn't have complained about a single thing. Then from Oct, my downfall started, slowly but steadily I started losing everything. I lost my relationship, I had a huge accident and had severe financial loss. Last blow was to my career, I lost my job last week.

My DOB is : 20/7/1983 , 4:16 pm, Delhi, India


I will be grateful if you could shed light on why this happened, what caused it and most importanlt when things will work out for me.. if ever.
I will be indepted for your help.


Regards,
Nirmala

Dear Nirmala,
following is my attempt to decipher what's been going on...especially w.r.t triggers and timings.

--Shani is the lord of the ascendant in the Trimamsa, the trouble causing planet.

--Shani is exalted in the 12th house of rasi in Vyay bhaav

--You started the Ket-Shani anatardasa...at the end of April 2010.....which is when problems / losses shoud have started...however such major problems need a trigger

--Ketu in it's own house and with ascendant gives you good results in many ways, but afflicts Jupiter, the natural benefic.

---the trigger IMO came in the form of transitting Jupiter throuhg Pisces retrograding to Aquarius in Oct 2010.
Retrograde Jup in transit is reported to give advserse results if not well placed in Rasi chart.

--So the combination of the Trimamsa Lord AD and Jupiter's retrogradte transit...triggered the unfortunate events affecting 3rd ( social standing and relatons) , 4th ( prosperity at home) and 1st houses where Jup sits( overall life).

--Rahu posited in 8th house will transit over your nata Ketu in the first week of June...creating intense conflicts and internal turmoils, physical and mental health issues.

--You have to pray to Lord Shani everyday, offerting til/ tel on Saturdays...unitl the Shani AD ends in June 2011.

--Once you are past June, life should start easing back to normal. The escape path is denoted by Venus sitting in the 12th house. Occupying yourself with favorite pasttime leisues, hobbies and finding a partner/ relationship with opposite sex will be instrumental in getting back to normal.

regards