Some Insights Not Found in Classics

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Hi Learned Members

I am setting a thread here which details some insights I or any forum member have (for the forum member it would be something that I read) which are generally not found in classics. I will update this thread as and when everytime I come across some insights I have. Even from internet sources, I find the logic quite acceptable, I will update it here as well.

(1) Generally it is better for Jupiter to be in Fixed or Cadent Houses than Kendras because firstly Jupiter is usually not strong in the Bhava where it is placed unless it has the support of Saturn in the backgroun and secondly if Jupiter is found in Fixed or Cardinal Houses, then AT LEAST one of Jupiter's trines would fall in a kendra which is auspicious and powerful.

(2) If a planet ruling a Bhava goes into the 4th from that Bhava, the LATTER Bhava would be totally under the control of the FORMER Bhava. This would mean if the LATTER Bhava is a Dusthana, the good effects are multiplied.

For example, like what R V Raman said, for a Libran Ascendant, if Jupiter goes into the 6th Bhava, the person is alsmost gurnateed foeless.

Warmest Regards
Hock Leong

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Hi

For (1) Jupiter in Lagna is an exception.

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Hock Leong

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Hi

(3) In a chart whenever you find Leo and Sagittarius overlaying on a chart it means you have luck there as these two signs represent areas of the 5th and 9th houses respectively.

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Hock Leong

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Hi

(4) Whenever a planet is placed in a sign, take that sign as where the planet is placed as the strongest. But since signs are Bhavas (as discussed in my earlier post), the planet can also be taken to have some effects of being placed in a sign for which the actual sign in which it is placed in the chart is the Bhavat Bhavam of the sign in which it can be considered to have some effects from.

( P.S. : The planets here refer to the normal nine Veidc planets. The outer planets Uranus, Neptune and Pluto, their greatest strength from which signs when there are more than one sign having effects on them through Bhavat Bhavam is covered under the post of Pluto currently put up. For the normal nine Vedic Planets, the sign shown on the chart where it is placed it is the sign having the most powerful effects. The reason in the difference is that Saturn is the one that guards the entrance to this inner circule of planets. Beyond this which lies the outer planets, their strength also depends on whether they can link up with some of the inner planets. If the outer planets can be considered as posited in several multiple signs by Bhavat Bhavam, the most powerful one would be the one where there are a lot of inner planets conjuncting in that sign - see the post on Pluto for more details).

Thus Venus in Leo can be considered to have as if there is some effects of Venus in Gemini and Venus would have effects on the Bhava where Gemini is overlaying as well.

War,est Regards
Hock Leong

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Hock Leong

[sita]

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[Khoo Hock Leong]

Hi Sita

Actually I should also add that if Jupiter is in a Kendra, it can also be strong if is a trinal lord. Now to your question.

Firstly Saturn is the natura karak for the kendras and all mutual kendra aspects. So if you want kendras to be emphasised, then it should be Saturn that is to be placed in Kendras and not Jupiter. But we rather have Jupiter because it is the planet of good fortune and luck. So the only thing is for Jupiter which if it is not a trinal lord, to either be in Saturn's sign, Rahu's sign (because strong Saturn passed on the strength to Rahu) or aspecting or having mutual aspects with Saturn.

Warmest Regards
Hock Leong

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Hi Sita

In terms of mundane significations for the individual also, Saturn in certain positions in the chart (can be found in Saptarishis Astrology one of the issues) tend the person to do better in his home country whereas Jupiter in certain positions in the chart tend the person to do better that he migrate. So metaphorically speaking, the 1st, 4th and 10th which represents activities in our birthplace, if Saturn is positioned there makes the person have more persevering power than if Jupiter was there. If Jupiter were there like 10th, Lagna or the 4th, it is also good, but it would be made better with Saturn's background support.

The strengths of Saturn are 10th from it, 1st from it and 4th from it. All mutual kendras. Jupiter's strength is trines from it and 7th from it but then by Bhavat Bhavam principle 7th to Saturn also stands for 4th and 10th to Saturn. So Saturn is stronger in Kendras. Jupiter is good for fortune and luck and especially if it is a trinal lord. Helped by Saturn in the background it will raise the peg of the goodness several levels.

Warmest Regards
Hock Leong

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Hi

5th idea.

(5) Planets in mutual kendras ares strong, more so if they are placed in Kendra houses from Lagna. This is regardless of aspectual strenth.

This is another reason why we mistakenly though the 7th aspect of Mars, Jupiter and Saturn as FULL but which in actual fact it is not, but the strength is due to other easons. Strength from mutual kendras mean the planets are like co-workers. Also the 7th to any planet has strong significations and also regardless of aspectual strength.

Warmest Regards
Hock Leong

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Hi

(6) When we are comparing the SAME planet like Venus for clothings between DIFFERENT persons, we generally use the sign where the planet is posited in for each person's chart and then see the relative sign position between the two positions of that planet to see whether there are clashes or compatibility in that area of life. For example f in one chart Venus is in Cancer and the other Venus is in Virgo, then the two Venus's positio nare in a 3rd-11th relationship. We then predict there are no clashes in their choices of their styles of clothings.

We seldom use the lord of the two Venus's sign positions to do the analysis for compatibility or clashes between the two persons.

Hence my recent post on Pluto between the relationships of two persons in different generations - that is an interesting post of all my Pluto posts, readers who have not read it should try to read it.

Warmest Regards
Hock Leong

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Hi

(7) We can combine the specialised signification principles with with the ordering of Bhavas from Lagna anti-clockwise. For example, say 10th of Saturn denotes career fall in your 4th house to Lagna. Then the 8th house to Lagna would show the future of your career being the 5th to the 4th and the 12th house to Lagna would show the status of your career in a very long term period being the 9th to the 4th.

(8) Any Bhava in a chart has a more effective role to play in the life in a native than the the Bhava that is 8th to it.

For example, 1st Bhava triumphs over 8th Bhava so the assertiveness, personality and directness of a person has more strength then using hidden means.

9th Bhava triumps over the 4th Bhava so the ethical and fortunate side of the personality triumphs over the compassion and happiness of the person. The latter can sometimes be obtained through dubious means.

But the 4th Bhava triumphs over the 11th Bhava because money and gains cannot buy happiness etc.

(9) Any Bhava which has BOTH Jupiter and Saturn on it shows that the person does not seek truth all the way but handles the situation in a way that achieves the best outcome of a possible situation.

Warmest Regards
Hock Leong

[R V RAMANAN]

Dear Khoo

Long time ago I read this dictum in saptarishi Nadi. During a conversation between sages a sage by name Kaka Bhujandar opines that Jupiter in the 5th in a chart wards off all the balarishtas of all the charts of the younger siblings.

I shall quote here the original text

"Moondrukku moondril mannan meivadhaal thunaigal dheerkam"

Means jupiter in the 3rd to 3rd will make the co-borns live long

Warm Regards
Ramanan

[sita]

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[Khoo Hock Leong]

Thanks Raman for the contribution to this thread.

[Khoo Hock Leong]

To continue .....

(10) Sometimes a person's fortune is linked to the mass generation of adults that is currently living with him on Earth. Generation is defined by lord of the Pluto of the sign as well as the sign itself.

The nature of the sign where Pluto is in would show how hard or easy a general lay person can reach the top easily or toppled over. The lord of the sign where Pluto is in will indicate on an individual to individual basis, how successful each one of us is over another person, in this current lifetime in seeking a fortune.

So one shows the general forutune of a geneal lay person in that era and the other shows the specific fortune ie. the excess kluedos each individual has over his peers.

Thus fortune can be tied to general trends rather than the specifics of a chart of a person. The trends are also not due to transits but tied to the adult generations that are currently living.

Let's take an example.

Recently a lot of the important portfolio Ministers in Singapore resigned. This is tied to 2 reasons :

(1) A reshuffle of the cabinet to appease the Generation Y people by Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong.

(2) Results of the election with the Generation Y people contributing to their votes.

Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong has Pluto in Cancer. Someone who takes into account the people's wishes because of strong Cancerian emphasis by virtue of Pluto being placed there.

The Generation Y people has Pluto in Virgo. Quite harsh.

For the two points above also, which Minister stands to ride through the waves successfully and which don't is also tied to a certain extent of their Moon or Mercury's placements in their respective charts for the two cases (1) and (2) respectively.

[Khoo Hock Leong]

You can also take into account Generation Z ie. those with Pluto in Libra. Venus may be soft on the outside but they are hard as diamonds on the inside.

[Khoo Hock Leong]

The sign Libra with connotations of the 7th house is also harsh. It denotes reciprocity in relationship.

[Khoo Hock Leong]

How about the immediate next generation of electors - the Generation ZZ with Pluto in Scorpio.

Scorpio has connotations of the 8th Bhava.

These future to be electors would vote according to the self-interests as well as their hidden agendas all coonotations ot he 8th Bhava ie. Scorpio.

[R V RAMANAN]

Dear Khoo,

Here is another dictum of Sage agasthya which is not found in classics.I am not giving the original tamil version here for it is really archaic but instead the gist of the combination.

if all the 7 planets ( rahu ketu are excluded here) are placed in quadrants or trines or the eleventh to the houses they own then a king is born.( irrespective of the lagna and also the strength of the planets involved)

it is interesting.

regards
ramanan

[R V RAMANAN]

DEAR MAHESH AND ANURADHAJI,

This thread started by khoo is about some combinations not found in classics,.and i feel that khoo has much more to offer for all of us.you can discuss your doubts in a different thread. I have split your post away from this thread. You can continue your discussion there. The name of the topic is "exaltation or enemy sign which one will prevail"

regards
ramanan

[anilesh47]

Ramanan sir,

All the seven planets from Lagna or moon? I know the person who has 6 planets are in kendra and 11th house. only moon is in dusthana house. I think we have to consider shadbala strength too. Right?

[R V RAMANAN]

Dear Anilesh,

pls read what i have written carefully.it is neither from lagna nor moon.it is angles or trines or 11th house to the house they own.

regards
ramanan

[sikhidvaja]

Dear Khoo,

Here is another dictum of Sage agasthya which is not found in classics.I am not giving the original tamil version here for it is really archaic but instead the gist of the combination.

if all the 7 planets ( rahu ketu are excluded here) are placed in quadrants or trines or the eleventh to the houses they own then a king is born.( irrespective of the lagna and also the strength of the planets involved)

it is interesting.

regards
ramanan

Ramanan Sir,
Is there any dictum when 6 planets satisfy this condition?


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[Khoo Hock Leong]

To continue ......

Thanks again Raman for contribution to this thread.

Next principle :

Transits positions of planets give rise to certain effects more certain if dasas concur. But transit positions can also be used to read of in a natal chart if the same relative positions of the planets occur in a natal chart.

Example : Jupiter when transitting 2nd to Moon gives rise to no enemies. Even if the person has enemies it will always be dissolved. Similarly if Jupiter occurs in the 2nd to Moon in the natal chart, the same prognostication can be read.

This is one reason why SwamyKool mentioned using Savatobhadra not only for transit purposes but also for Vedhas.

Now why classics did not mention using transit positions for natal chart analysis as well?

One reason could be there are already so many dicta in existence for natal chart analysis. Transits only has a realtively few dicta and this one about tranitting planets being in certain relative positions is the main dictum for transit. Hence the omission in classics.

Warmest Regarfd
Hock Leong

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Note however, transit positions has a kind of reflexivity built into it.

So Jupiter transitting 2nd to Moon and Moon transitting 12th to Jupiter mean different things in transits.

But when used in natal chart analysis, these two collapse into one, and one can read off from the chart as having BOTH characteristics.

By the way I did not check up what Moon transitting 12th to Jupiter mean. Readers can check up for themselves like B V Raman's Manuel on Astrology.

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Next principle.....

We have debated whether Navamsa operate throughout a person's life.

The final decision was that everybody mature at different rates, so the Navamsa kicks in a different times for different people. BUT .......

If we followed the dictum that D1-D12 gives the detail of each Bhava in the Rasi and we know that the 9th Bhava in the Rasi comes into significance at certain fixed age for everyone, then it would seem that the Navamsa would come in after middle age for all. But this only menas Navamsa has a more significant role to play when we are at a certain age. It does not mean Navamsa does not have effect especially if the dasa of the lord for that house in Navamsa or planets sitting in that house of Navamsa, their dasa kicks in early on in our life.

Also the Navamsa has always been read as an independent chart of a person regardless of age since olden times.

So the CORRECT CONCLUSION is.........

Navamsa can be used to read a person's fate as soon as he is born. it operates throughout one's life especailly if the dasa of the relevant planet kicks in.

It has a slightly stronger effect after middle age because it represents the 9th Bhava in the Rasi and this house has more say of our lives after middle age.

The maturity of different individuals does not come into the picture for this dictum although other areas of the Rasi char like the signs juxtaposed with Bhavas in the Rasi chart, the preponderance of the sign type like Cardinal, Fixed or Mutable etc. do have a say how fast the person matures and the person's maturity does dictate how fast he can fulfill the potential of using the Navamsa blessings.

Warmest Regards
Hock Leong