Spirituality, Astrology, Destiny, B. Geeta, Celibacy

[Sudarshang]

I am open to listening to others - but I dont see myself changing...the reason is simple: I have the Lord's assurance - then why should I bother?

Sir could you kindly narate how you got this assurance ?

Many words in many places ...delivered through poorvacharyas

[Sudarshang]

Yes may be, but then u are talking from ur experience. Please tell me ur method adopted which worked for u.

Dev

My method is Sharanagti or Surrender.

[Dev]

Are u a Visistadwaitin ie Iyengar?

Dev

[Sudarshang]

Are u a Visistadwaitin ie Iyengar?

Dev

Yes

[Sudarshang]

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but you still remain a staunch advaiti in your outlook.

i don't feel myself a staunch advaitin but
you are right sir conditionings are there
i do hope to one day be free of all conditionings of mind and "i'

suniti

You might want to try "jeeva-para ananyam" instead of "Aikyam"....through sharira-Atma Bhavam.
Jeevan=Shariram
Brahmam=Shariri
Shrutis will hold good that way also.

Add to it some Saguna Brahmam, create yourself a paint-book and color HIM as you please

Trust me it is easier than freeing yourself of all conditionings which itself could take lifetimes ...instead get conditioned to Love HIM unconditionally - simply because HE is the big-boss!

[Sudarshang]

i always thought karma is like a pendulum which never stops

Although we are not saints in the real sense but we can observe their lives too in this regard. No saint even after realisation stops working. And till the time this body is doing anything you have no option but to be part of karma in one way or the other. So, if the complete exhaustion of the karmas is the sole criteria for getting liberation from this mortal world then I am sorry to say nobody can ever get that no matter which path he has been following.

Anupam-ji

Respectfully disagree with you here! Exhaution of the karma is the sole criteria for getting liberation from the mortal world! and it is achievable! ...Favoritism is allowed I dropped a hint in one of my previous posts - you dont acquire punya for doing your duty, while you get Paap for not doing it.

[Dev]

Thanks Sudarshan. I am too.
Please tell me if I can talk to u for further details of how you practise the same. Thanks.
Do u stay at Chennai?

Dev

[Sudarshang]

Thanks Sudarshan. I am too.
Please tell me if I can talk to u for further details of how you practise the same. Thanks.
Do u stay at Chennai?

Dev

Yes, I am in Chennai, my Cell Phone is 99520-92208. We can talk over phone

[Dev]

Dear Sudarsan:
Thanks for the number. I will try calling u soon. I am coming to Chennai tommorrow to KKNagar and Kodambakkam.

Dev

[Talib]

You talked about the method of surrender. Talib Ji I do not know the various intricate ways of following the path of surrender. I am quite ignorant in this regard. But one way I know. Go on repeating regularly in your worship 'God make me thy instrument' with the whole honesty in your heart. For me that is enough.

Dear Anupam Ji,

I believe and think about surrender only.... about method of surrender, i am really not worried about it . surrender itself implies that even the method would be indicate by him "the big-boss". moreover, if i follow someone else method it wld b a make-up . i believe if my surrendering will be accepted the method will follow me. My sole purpose of joining LOVA is to learn. I like listening other's view than giving mine coz one thing is always in the back of my mind is that god's message can come from anywhere and I dont want to loose it at any cost specially at the stake of my stubborness or counter questioning and i have been successfull so far. i see a big change in myself comparing to what i was an year or 2 ago, it is definetly not complete influence of planets though they have helped me as well, as i cry in front of them and their deities too.

One of a blessed soul told me that path of surrendering is the shortest but a human suffer's a lot in this coz wtever punya he does he offer it to god and he has to suffer for his bad karma. though sufering is on materialistic level but on spiritual level it has different outcome. I thank from my heart to you and other nice souls who helped me thorugh out since i joined this forum and always looking forward to learn more.

Sudarshang JI,

Sharnagati means surrender isn't it?

Love

[Sudarshang]

Yes it does

[Sudarshang]

Mahesh-ji

nice post, thoughtful ...yet with limitations, and some confusion. On the one hand you talk about non-duality ...suddenly you switch to duality ...which side are you on?

Sudarshan

[Abhijit Muhurta !!!]

Dear P.Mahesh....I thought the P in your name stood for "prashna" ( just kidding ! )
Finally you have answered and answered really well !
All the very best to you !

These doubts/hesitations come when 'I' 'feels' different from 'G'.

[Sudarshang]

Sudershanji,

"On the one hand you talk about non-duality ...suddenly you switch to duality ...which side are you on?"

Once I am sure that I replace 'I (block spot)' with 'G (white spot)' dual/non-dual is not my botheration... but His..
Infact, in that state there is not much difference between I and G (the atma) and Paramatma...
These doubts/hesitations come when 'I' 'feels' different from 'G'. Once that comes all comparsions start..

Mahesh

Mahesh-ji

Question:
You say, "Once I am sure that I replace 'I (block spot)' with 'G (white spot)' dual/non-dual is not my botheration... but His.." - How you plan to go about doing this replacement of I with G?

Remark 1
You say, "Infact, in that state there is not much difference between I and G (the atma) and Paramatma..."
Shashtras say otherwise .... they say "Sada Pashyanti Sooraya:" - where Soori's are always seeing HIM - That means, Soori's exist and He exists. That means they are not the same, they are different.

Remark 2:
Finally you say, "These doubts/hesitations come when 'I' 'feels' different from 'G'. Once that comes all comparsions start.." --
They are different, there is no comparison because He is beyond compare and the I can never become the same as G. So it is only right and natural that the "I" 'feels" different from 'G'...they are in fact different and are going to remain different even after Moksha!

Concluding Statement: However much you try, you cannot replace the I with the G. However you made a very wise statement - "But HIS" (i.e that the dual/non-dual botheration is HIS). Perhaps not this botheration, but another botheration can become HIS, provided we allow HIM to take charge and work for us.

However, even after that becomes His botheration, we remain we, He remains He....there is no such thing as the "merger of I and G".

[Abhijit Muhurta !!!]

On the one hand you talk about non-duality ...suddenly you switch to duality ...which side are you on?

Dear Sudarshang.....if "HE" is everywhere....then what does it matter which side we are ?
we will always end up on HIS side....wont we ?

Regards

[Sudarshang]

Abhijit

He is everywhere, and in everything - how about you?

[Abhijit Muhurta !!!]

Sudarshang....

Once the knowledge is there.... that "HE" is every where and in everything. Then it is obvious that he is in you as well as me.
So then whatever "we" do is inconsequential. we can practice various things ....give it names like "sharanagati" ..."self enquiry" etc.
But there is no point in taking "oneself" seriously....

[Talib]

Hi,

Geeta is not abt just one shaloka, one shaloka may overrule many others if we try to give them our meaning, its god's words, how a human can understand wd his so called intellectual mind. Those who think they can make a meaning of one shaloka and then can apply to understand according to their mind set they are wrong..every arjuna needs "sri krishna" to understand sri geeta"Only a satguru can b second to sri krishna. keep interpreting meaning of geeta on ur own and u will land no where other than trapping urself in a web of so called knowledge and wealth of words. Human nature: we only Like.., what we want to hear, what we want to see, what we want to listen, feeding our senses...reality is far away than wht we interpret.

CH 18 verse 66

sarva-dharman parityajya
mam ekam saranam vraja
aham tvam sarva-papebhyo
moksayisyami ma sucah

This is the ending part of sri geeta how wld one interpret this. karma theory???????????????????????????????????

Love

[Talib]

Yes Anupam Ji,

we all are filling the box ...Only PM's are the saviour ..


truth is always hidden

Love

[Sudarshang]

How can God control our deaths? I have to disagree with you on this. Earlier life expectancy was before 60s in India and now it has increased to 70s. It is due to better medical facilties available now.

Mathews,

In Satyayuga, Life expectancy was in hundreds of thousands of years, in Tretayuga about the same or a bit less (Dasarata waited for 60,000 years before Ram + brothers were born, Ram ruled Ayodya for more than 100,000 years), in Dwaparayuga life expectancy was around 400+ years, in Kaliyuga is less than 100 years...medical facilities in Tretayuga? yeah right!

[Sudarshang]

Hi,



CH 18 verse 66

sarva-dharman parityajya
mam ekam saranam vraja
aham tvam sarva-papebhyo
moksayisyami ma sucah

This is the ending part of sri geeta how wld one interpret this. karma theory???????????????????????????????????

Love

That's a secret ....

[Sudarshang]

Sudarshang....

Once the knowledge is there.... that "HE" is every where and in everything. Then it is obvious that he is in you as well as me.
So then whatever "we" do is inconsequential. we can practice various things ....give it names like "sharanagati" ..."self enquiry" etc.
But there is no point in taking "oneself" seriously....

Wrong! "So then whatever "we" do is inconsequential." - just because you get that awareness you dont lose responsibility or intelligence to exercise free-will to choose what you do. Like it or nor, just being aware is nothing - you have to behave, every step of the way, in every act you perform everyday with the acknowledgement that He is in you and me and everyone that you interact with everyday. Easier said than done

[Talib]

That's a secret ....

Sudarshang Ji,


This is the whole summary of Sri Geeta according to me. all verses of Geeta got merge in to it, and the best part is no one can misinterpret it. .

Its not a secert sir, its been revealed more than 5000 years ago Problem is, we try to understand Sri Geeta like a hollywood action thriller, our senses gets feed when it see arjuna in vishad yoga, when sri krishna teach him, when arjuna fight like a super hero, logical and intellectual discussions. Anyways nector always come at the the end of churning process.

I think Sri geetha is a demo version of every sadhak's life story. we start wd lots of confusions and depression, then we get some "one" to answer our questions, then all those logical discussion understanding of different "yogas", chetna, three guna's, right and wrong. after all this when our logical power reaches its limitation we see a "virat roopa" which makes us understand who is "the big boss" and then all logics and questioning get failed. then we start working as per his orders, we just start to flow, become an instrument. no complaints any more. In the end, comes the mantra, sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja ................


Love

[Talib]

There is free will, Destiny can change as per God's Grace. God is the director cum producer but he gives rewards for extraordinary acting, he gives "ok" for a scene if u make him happy with ur performence or he will ask u to go on repeating unless u make him happy.just like a director he doesnt ask you to act according to him,neither he interferes in your acting. he gives you a scene and ask you to perform at your level best, that performence is free will. the best u perform sooner u will get ok from scene, poor u perform results in more "takes". No director likes more takes

True, surrender to god is your choice(free will). if it is a choice how it cld be predecided

who is the director cum producer of that drama?

True, everyword which has a meaning which can be written in alphabets or in language, gives suffecient proof of its existence since the begining of life or even before it. "free will" has a meaning, evil, god, demons, destiny, positive, negative. they all coexist, we can not accepts ones existence and denies others . but yes, we can "choose" to concentrate more on one

Love

[Talib]

Its not only actors who contribute in making of movies, there are also people like "spot boys". they are the one who has all the rights to blame destiny because their destiny is dependent on performence of the actor . The only choice they have is to surrender to God and enjoying clapping the board

We have given different roles to play by the director, different situations, different circumstances..we can not make a conclusion just by looking at our lives and using our biased brain.

Love