What causes cancellation of yoga

[delilah]

Looking at my chart I see I have Vasuman yoga which I read is a very good yoga to have for finances. However these planets are combust by the sun (except for Jupiter) so I think this constitutes the cancellation of this yoga. Does sun combustion cause cancellation or are there other factors?

[shilpa]

Looking at my chart I see I have Vasuman yoga which I read is a very good yoga to have for finances. However these planets are combust by the sun (except for Jupiter) so I think this constitutes the cancellation of this yoga. Does sun combustion cause cancellation or are there other factors?

Hello,
Rather than cancellation, i would rather look at what causes fructification of Yogas?
JHora on an average lists about a dozen Yogas for almost every individual and many of them end up having average/ medicore to problematic lives not seeing the fruits that on paper these Yogas promise.
What causes the Yogas to frutify:

1) The strength of the planest involved in the Rasi chart i.e whihc houses, Rasis, drishti's they are subjected to
2) More important how are these planest invloved in Yogas placed in the Shadavarga, SpataVarga and Dasvarga charts. There are many ways to look at the strength of plantes in divisional charts but the one that is most effective one IMO is the amasbala......planets in Yoga if in Gopuramsa, simhaasanamsa, Devlokaaamsa or Brahmalokamasa........is the factor that produces greats, celebrities and the ultra rich and successful.

3) Then there are two type of fructification processes with the yogas...one that get activated at some point in life with certain effort and given certain circumstances and dasas.....but act throughout thereafter...such as Yogas associated with career and self earnings i.e Karma and Laabh Bhaavs for example

and there are Yogas that appear opportunistically and more fate / destiny driven such as VRY and are more active during the Dasa/ antardasa or planest involved and with less self control ( free-will) invloved.

Regards

[Ghrishneswar]

amsa bala of yogakaraka is the key differentiator...

See Obama's Sa...made him president of US and great orator.
There are thousand of other factors...but this is also the factor.

Even one yogakarka is minimum in gopuramasa can lift a chart..

[shilpa]

amsa bala of yogakaraka is the key differentiator...

See Obama's Sa...made him president of US and great orator.
There are thousand of other factors...but this is also the factor.

Even one yogakarka is minimum gopuramasa can lift a chart..

Look at the Amsabala of Sun for Bill Clinton
It is in Brahmalokamsa...the highest I have seen for any human to reach for any planet...in dasa-varga charts.

and look at the heights he scaled in the area that Sun signifies.......leadership on the world stage.

There are obviously many factors.....but amsabala is one of the heighest weightage factor if not the heighest

[Ghrishneswar]

One very interesting point is, despite having highes shadabala for Sun....
his father expired before his birth
step father was abusive alcoholic.
he went through scandal while in office and was about to be impeached.
No single factor can ever be absolute. If exaltation/moolatrikona of Sun in 10 D charts could not save Bill from these then debiliation of one planet also does not mean denial too.

Some one in this forum once said: Planets are like goverments...they take very quickly but do not give easliy.

Many factors have to be confirmed.

Debiliation of a yogakaraka in navamsa is one reason that can cause cancellation of yoga..

[shilpa]

One very interesting point is, despite having highes shadabala for Sun....
his father expired before his birth
step father was abusive alcoholic.
he went through scandal while in office and was about to be impeached.
No single factor can ever be absolute. If exaltation/moolatrikona of Sun in 10 D charts could not save Bill from these then debiliation of one planet also does not mean denial too.

Dear Grihneshwar,
He lost his father and he was impeached...true....but he got there, high up, American President for 8 years and a successful one, the Lewinsky affair notwithstanding .
A Brahmlokamasa generally gets you high up in the area it signifies, but doesn't guarantee you a trouble free life....but generally it does get you up there !!
Look at this individual June, 9, 1972; 11:55am; 80E55 and 26N51
Me is Devlokamasa and Ju in Simhasanamsa.......and he is a self made-multi-millionare, running multinational businesses.
An amasabala of 7 for any planet is very rare in Dasavarga systme....and it gets you up there, very high...in thearea that planet signifies.

omDebiliation of a yogakaraka in navamsa is one reason that can cause cancellation of yoga..

I would doubt this one as a blanket statement......If the amasabala is high in the Dasavarga charts, he will still reap postive fruits during from that yoga

[Ghrishneswar]

Gopuramsa - Occupying the same varga four times.

I am not denying final result...Sun is not only about power/leadership...
Sun also represents Father...The point is high amsa bala does not mean success/gooodluck in everything related to the planet. I see another side..despite not having father. good step father he achieved everything without support...that is where high amsa bala came onto picture.

debiliation of yogakaraka in navamsa can cause raj bhanga yoga..it is not generic..but it is one of the principles.
It is not a blanket statement. By the way is a planet is debiliated in navamsa its amsa bala would decrease..wouldn't it?

I am not jumping to conclusions so should all of us.
Thanks for your responses.

[shilpa]

debiliation of yogakaraka in navamsa can cause raj bhanga yoga..it is not generic..but it is one of the principles.
It is not a blanket statement. By the way is a planet is debiliated in navamsa its amsa bala would decrease..wouldn't it?

I am not jumping to conclusions so should all of us.
Thanks for your responses.

Dear Grishneswar,

debilitation does not decrease the amsabala.....it is counted as zero value towards the total amsa count ( and also towards Vimsopakha bala calculation)....but not a negative count.
Hence we can say a debilitated planet will not add to the amsabala....but doesn't take away from it either.

Further the whole purpose of BPHS proposing various groups of divisonal charts (and the Dasa-Varga is most prominent of them for allround life assesment).... is that we are not forced to jump to conclusions by the bad-placement of a planet in one or two charts.

Look at this example of this guy.....Aug 8th 1970; 7:51am; 80E55 and 26N51
Shani is debilitated in Rasi, is a bitter enemy to the ascendant Leo, spoils his house of fortune, the 9th...yet this guy has reported the Shani MD/AD/PD to be most profitable for growth and career.

and when I counted his amsa for Shani...it is in Gopuramsa !!

Regards

[Ghrishneswar]

debilitation does not decrease the amsabala.....it is counted as zero value towards the total amsa count

Agreed. I meant it does not add. It does not make it -ve.

Shilpa, I am especially concerned about navamsa..not other divisional charts or even debiliation is rasi.
You are giving me examples of rasi debiliation.

I do not treat navamsa at par with other D charts. Compare 2 people with same amsa bala for a yogakaraka planet..do you think one with debiliation in navamsa fare better that one with debiliation on other D chart say D3 other things being equal.
This is all I am trying to say.

Neecha Navamsa
Next interesting principle is about Navamsa called also Dharma-amsa. Karaka of this amsa is
Vishnu and any neecha Graha here indicate adharma which afflicts bhagya of native. This lack
of bhagya stops one from Royal position and favour. Chandra Kala Nadi clearly “says” that
neecha grahas in Navamsa are very adverse and if there is choice between these two Vargas
namely Rasi & Navamsa, neecha-graha are better seen in Rasi as Navamsa indicate result and
phala which is most importants in fructation of events.

Please read this article if you get a chance:

http://docs.rohinaa.com/raj-bhanga.pdf

The rest I leave up to you to decide. I have nothing more to say.

[shilpa]

debilitation does not decrease the amsabala.....it is counted as zero value towards the total amsa count

Agreed. I meant it does not add. It does not make it -ve.

Shilpa, I am especially concerned about navamsa..not other divisional charts or even debiliation is rasi.
You are giving me examples of rasi debiliation.

I do not have a D-9 example and hence I give you the next best which is a D-1 chart

I do not treat navamsa at par with other D charts. Compare 2 people with same amsa bala for a yogakaraka planet..do you think one with debiliation in navamsa fare better that one with debiliation on other D chart say D3 other things being equal.
This is all I am trying to say.

I fully understood the first time what you were trying to say.
In Dasvarga analysis if i remember right, D1 gets 3 points, D9 and all other charts get 1.5 points and D60 gets 5 points. There was a post on this from astroboy quoting BPHS.
So D1 is the most important chart, still according to BPHS
However this is weigthing system applies when calculating Vimsopakha Bala.

However when counting amsa according to BPHS and also it's interpretaions by PVRao the amasa bala is just the summation of the amsa count in all the charts


Neecha Navamsa
Next interesting principle is about Navamsa called also Dharma-amsa. Karaka of this amsa is
Vishnu and any neecha Graha here indicate adharma which afflicts bhagya of native. This lack
of bhagya stops one from Royal position and favour. Chandra Kala Nadi clearly “says” that
neecha grahas in Navamsa are very adverse and if there is choice between these two Vargas
namely Rasi & Navamsa, neecha-graha are better seen in Rasi as Navamsa indicate result and
phala which is most importants in fructation of events.

Please read this article if you get a chance:

http://docs.rohinaa.com/raj-bhanga.pdf

The rest I leave up to you to decide. I have nothing more to say.

Right Navamsa has it's value and usages .
But as explained above when looking at collections of one fo the 4 groups of divisonal charts for Vimsopaka bala calculations.... D1 is highest weighted.
and when counting amsa bala all charts count for one amsa each with no weightagesand

and here is the text from BPHS

"
17-19. Vimshopak Bal. The Shad Vargas consist of Rāśi, Hora, Dreshkan, Navāńś, Dvadashāńś and Trimshāńś. The full Bal for each of the divisions, respectively, are 6, 2, 4, 5, 2 and 1. This is the Vimshopak Bal, relating to Shad Varg division. Adding the Saptāńś to the Shad Vargas, we get Sapt Varg, the Vimshopak Bal for which is 5, 2, 3, 2½, 4½, 2 and 1. These are gross strengths, while subtle ones should be understood by exact positions.
20. Add Dashāńś, Shodashāńś and Shashtiāńś to the said Sapt Varg Divisions to get the scheme of Dasha Varg. The Vimshopak Bal in this context is 3 for Rāśi, 5 for Shashtiāńś and for the other 8 divisions 1½ each."

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