Karma theory

[spidey]

Dear Mylilangel,
Long time no see ?
Whatever I am going to write here is based solely on what I have read and whatever little I have observed
IMHO , there is no simple or one-size-fits-all answer possible for the question you are asking.

Destiny and free-will are inter-linked and there is no distinct dividing line from the eyes of a layperson like us.
Similary I believe Karma is just karma , good and bad are the labels we attach to them because they cause us inconvenience or happiness as the case may be.

Because there are almost always two parties involved in a karma , I feel it is not possible to say whose good or bad karma any action is. And then if you start thinking deeper , anything that you feel is good might turn out to be bad eventually and vice versa..and this loop is endless.
I feel the only way to understand life is to look at it like a fixed deposit ... you invest some karmas and then you reap what you sow after the stipulated time. Whatever we sow gets reaped by us with compound interest. There is no good or bad in this (this is not my example ; I just heard this in a seminar and I am reproducing it here) ... I somtimes find it easier to understand life using this concept...sometimes , remember

I hope I made some sense in the rant above


Let's also wait for contributions from seniors ... they would be able to explain this better.

Thanks and regards,
Spidey

[vox]

No spidey, I think you assessed the situation. There are simply too many variables. I've been pondering this so much I was going to put up a page with questions pointing to the dilemmas.
I think in the west, for those who've pondered the issue and are at the same time not influenced by mainstream religion, the consensus is that karma is...what we make it. Rather, what WE think or feel it to be...
If so, be sure to work on that innate sense of guilt!

I think it is the case however. It is all up to us. Oh yes, there is corroboration in the Tibetan Book of the Dead which states that one can cleans themselves even at the very last breath. It's all a matter of belief and or perception. It goes on to say that Any and All phantasms one might encounter (in the bardo) are one's own creations.

So as with traditional forms of magick, it is really all in the mind (of the operator).

Here's an example scenario that has made me wonder;

A combat vet. They may fall in to two schools; voluntary or by draft.
So say a chap enlists voluntarily to then see severe action on the front...
He's killed hundreds with his automatic.
As we know these days, wars are in fact funded and initiated by the top bankers and associated interests. So in fact, we've a history of the common man being abject dupes for the elites but that's another story - in some ways.
So this vet, in fact, killed people for the profits of an already fat parasite. He wasn't quite aware of this fact however and he simply wanted to stay alive (once the firing started and all the propagandist reasons fell apart).
Should he be held accountable for those deaths? Now what if those same deaths were from within an army truly hell bent on destroying the world? That he felt - had no choice - it his sovereign duty to protect his home?
In these cases, it simply seems obvious there isn't some god or cosmic council making judgment calls.

And there are obviously infinitely more complex scenarios. So I think it's mostly - as per the Book of the Dead - our own condition and self perception (mainly) at the hour of death.

Now the one major apparent paradox that's been bothering me is the track record of the elites. You know it, or should. Note how they are still there in power after all these centuries. Karma? I think they know something (about karma) the common man doesn't.

And get this, Tibet. We all know what happened when China peeked over the Wall. Now what kind of karma allowed China to take over Tibet!? Wasn't the latter All about living for good karma?

Seems obvious the true doctrine as been corrupted or co-opted by religion.

And what about you (or me) here today? While you are reading this thousands are literally starving to death. We should be out there doing something about it. We're all fucking guilty of something; especially if "karma" works the way they say it does.

Excellent quote in the bible by Cain, "Am I my brother's keeper?"

IF SO, Many, are truly fucked. But we don't think it's the case. Another reason being is that we live in...a food chain. I really don't think survival and food chains has much to do with karma.

The only contention is...that man is (supposedly) evolving - tho we've been devolving for some time now. Meaning, Man's role is to become more spiritual. So we can see how the idea of karma exists.

Another; take any person born into the $ystem. As we know, or should, the economic system is corrupt through and through. It's exploitation via imposed debt for one. So, we've a (good) person literally born in to a scenario where they are victimized as soon as they get their SSN etc.

Karma is everywhere. It's got to simply refer to action-reaction. The ethics (consequences of) came later by religious speculations and control methods.

Perhaps.

Mark

ps. spidey, ever hear of people smoking spider web? i hear it has some hallucinogenic properties. haven't tried it but am curious. i'm sure it would give one a headache at the least.