Mercury+Venus : The Pair That Move Mountains

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Hi Learned Members

Just finish some sloakas (not ALL) of Jataka Parajata.

In it they talk about various combination of conjunction of planets : 2 planets, 3 planets, 4 planets etc. The one that is paraised SUERLATIVELY is the two planet conjunction of Mercury and Venus (when I say two, I mean two). It behooves of us to ponder why this is so.

Well Mercury and Venus are friends, but more important than that, they are the only Rajastic planets in the pantheon of planets. So when they combine in a house, the person make headways in this materialistic world. According to the book, the person rules kingdoms and all kinds of good benefits would accrue to him (but note, in classics they have various sections for delineating certain things, so other factors like I always said must also be taken into account).

Venus+Saturn only gives the highest order for work, but Mercury+Venus is the one that makes the most headway in this materialistic world of ours.

The book Jataka Parajata also mention about various combination of conjunction of planets in the 9th house. For that it is the Sattvic planets that hold sway and is not discussed in this post.

Now of all the charts, D-10 is the one that shows what a person can accomplish in this world. If you have the two planet conjunction pair of Mercury+Venus found in a house of D-10, predict, that the person would be highly successful in that kind of career or that aspect of the career.

Example : My D-10 has Aires rising with Mercury+Venus in the 4th house. Mercury rules the 6th house of employment and Venus rules the 7th house of business.

Education is my forte and I can either do it by opening up my company or seek service from an educational established firm. The 4th house in D-10 has special connotations also. In fact each house in D-10 has special connotations. For example, the 2nd house denotes your attractiveness as a debtor to secure the loan from the bank. The 7th house denotes the help you receive from your subordinates (7th is the 2nd to the 6th, it denotes the tools and resources of your subordinates to help you in the objectives of your profession) etc. For further details on this dimension of D-10, readers can refer to one of the earlier issues of Saptarishis Magazine.

Warmest Regards
Hock Leong

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Hi Rajitha

If Mars combine with Mercury+Venus then it is no more a two planet conjunction. Scan his other divisional charts to see whether he has ONLY these TWO planets conjunction especially the D-10. It could be due to this factor rather than the Rasi have the three-planet conjunction.

Still, a 3-planet conjunction involving Mercury+Venus would still have some effects of Mercury+Venus especially if they are close. But the purest and most powerful effect would be just Mercury+Venus ONLY.

Warmest Regards
Hock Leong

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Hi Rajitha

Another point I want to point out is the cancellation of the debilitation part.

Just having the debilitated planet (Mercury) placed together with an exalted planet (Venus) is not enough to cancel a debilitation. Here are the conditions acknowledged by classics to cancel debilitation :

1. If the lord of the sign occupied by a debilitated planet; AND
The lord of the exaltation sign of the debilitated planet be in a quadrant from
the Moon sign. Both the planets should be in quadrant from the Moon as per
following dictum:
“नीच ितो उािन यो मह ात त् िािशनथोिप तनाथः
स च लािद केवत राजा भवधे ािमकर् चबवत”
(Deva Keralam, Vol.II/86; Phala Deepika 7/26; Jataka Parijata 7/13)

2. If the lord of the sign occupied by the debilitated planet OR the lord of the
sign of its exaltation be in a square from the ascendant or the Moon (Phala
Deepika 7/29).

3. If the lord of the sign occupied by the debilitated planet and the lord of the
sign of its Exaltation are mutually in square to each other. (Phala Deepika
7/27)

4. If the debilitated planet is aspected by the lord of that sign. (Here only full
aspect is to be taken into account, including the special aspects of Mars,
Jupiter and Saturn). The aspecting planet should be exalted to give full
results.
“यिन र् ाशौ वततर् ेखचे रिाशीभने ूिेक्षते खटे ः” (Phala Deepika 7/28)

5. If there are planets in their signs of Debilitations but occupy their exalted
Navamsa OR benefic Shashtiamsa (60th part of a sign). This is as per verse 20
of Chapter Seven of Jataka Parijata given below:
“नीचतं ् ा ि िऽ चतमु हर् े ाः षयभं के शोभनभागयु ाः
तु रं ाँयशसमिता वा धरापितधािमकर् चबवत”
The native becomes fortunate after 33 or 35 years of age. (Deva Keralam,
Vol.II/87). This yoga on Cancellation of debility is known as Amrita Raja
Yoga and bestows prosperity, gold, jewellery, etc. (Deva Keralam, II/88).


Based on the above combinations, you would also notice that planet in its fall but retrogading is not considered by classics to have its debilitation cancelled as voiced earlier also by AstroBoy when he replied to one of the forum members' queries.

Warmest Regards
Hock Leong

[spidey]

Dear Khoo,
I happen to have this Mercury + Venus combination in my 3rd house(Capricorn) in my Rasi chart . Mercury is my AK and Venus is my PK.
Mercury is my 8th and 11th lord , while Venus is my 7th and 12th lord.

Cheers,
Spidey

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Hi Everyone

I am currently reading Uttarakalamritam another classic and they do say that planets in retrogade and it its fall sign do get its debilitation cancelled and equals in strength to an exalted planet.

This is covered under Khanda 1, Section II under Sloaka 6. Let me quote the verse to you in full.

Sloaka-6. When a planet is retrograde in his motion, his strength is smilar to that when in his exaltation If a planet is conjoined with a retrograde planet, his strength is 1/2 a Rupa. If a planet be retrograde in his motion while in his exaltaion house, he gets only his (Neechabala), ie. nothing. IF A PLANET BE RETROGRADE WHILE IN HIS DEBILITATION HOUSE (OF "FALL"), HIS STRENGTH IS SIMILAR TO THAT WHEN IN HIS EXALTATION. A planet in conjunction with another planet who is in exaltation gets 1/2 a Rupa. When he is associated with another who is in his debilitation, he gets nothing, a planet if he be in conjunction with malefics who are his friends, or with benefics who happen to be his enemies, gets only 1/2 a Rupa.

So this is another condition for cancellation of debilitation.

Warmest Regards
Hock Leong

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Hi Spidey

I have the Mercury+Venus combination in my 3rd house of Saptiamsa (D-7). As indicated in my earlier post on D-7, this divisional chart also indicates the creativity in the person. In this case it is my writing.

Warmest Regards
Hock Leong

[digitsoftime]

Hi Rajitha

Another point I want to point out is the cancellation of the debilitation part.

Just having the debilitated planet (Mercury) placed together with an exalted planet (Venus) is not enough to cancel a debilitation. Here are the conditions acknowledged by classics to cancel debilitation :

1. If the lord of the sign occupied by a debilitated planet; AND
The lord of the exaltation sign of the debilitated planet be in a quadrant from
the Moon sign. Both the planets should be in quadrant from the Moon as per
following dictum:
“नीच ितो उािन यो मह ात त् िािशनथोिप तनाथः
स च लािद केवत राजा भवधे ािमकर् चबवत”
(Deva Keralam, Vol.II/86; Phala Deepika 7/26; Jataka Parijata 7/13)

2. If the lord of the sign occupied by the debilitated planet OR the lord of the
sign of its exaltation be in a square from the ascendant or the Moon (Phala
Deepika 7/29).

3. If the lord of the sign occupied by the debilitated planet and the lord of the
sign of its Exaltation are mutually in square to each other. (Phala Deepika
7/27)

4. If the debilitated planet is aspected by the lord of that sign. (Here only full
aspect is to be taken into account, including the special aspects of Mars,
Jupiter and Saturn). The aspecting planet should be exalted to give full
results.
“यिन र् ाशौ वततर् ेखचे रिाशीभने ूिेक्षते खटे ः” (Phala Deepika 7/28)

5. If there are planets in their signs of Debilitations but occupy their exalted
Navamsa OR benefic Shashtiamsa (60th part of a sign). This is as per verse 20
of Chapter Seven of Jataka Parijata given below:
“नीचतं ् ा ि िऽ चतमु हर् े ाः षयभं के शोभनभागयु ाः
तु रं ाँयशसमिता वा धरापितधािमकर् चबवत”
The native becomes fortunate after 33 or 35 years of age. (Deva Keralam,
Vol.II/87). This yoga on Cancellation of debility is known as Amrita Raja
Yoga and bestows prosperity, gold, jewellery, etc. (Deva Keralam, II/88).


Based on the above combinations, you would also notice that planet in its fall but retrogading is not considered by classics to have its debilitation cancelled as voiced earlier also by AstroBoy when he replied to one of the forum members' queries.

Warmest Regards
Hock Leong

Hi Hock Leong,

Nice post. Do these cancellation rules apply to Navamsa and other divisional charts?

sincerely,
Sunny

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Hi Sunny

Yes, it does.

Also note the additional cancellation due to the retrograde of the planet - see my recent post in this thread. After the one you highlighted.

Warmest Regards
Hock Leong

[Iluvmyindia1]

Hi Khoo,

Thanks for a detailed post which helps me understand despite me being a novice (just basic understanding).

I just checked my D-10 (Aqu Asc) and found that my Mercury is posited in 9th house in Libra, and Venus in 3rd house in Aries.
In that respect, they are aspecting each other by 7th house.

So, here is my question: Do aspects also count or does it necessarily have to be Mercury+Venus combination in D-10 chart?

Thanks//rr

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Hi Sakura

Basically it is best to just stick with conjunction of 2 planets. If it is a three planet conjunction, there is a separate sloaka for a three planet conjunction etc.

Also the specific planet in question also counts.

What I told Rajitha, the effects are actually quite minimal although there may be some.

So just stick with Mercury+Venus only.

Warmest Regards
Hock Leong

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Hi Iluvm

Conjunctions are given a separate sloakas in classics precisely because they are powerful. So aspects are aspects and conjunctions are conjunctions.

Also bear in mind depending on whether the planet is a malefic or benefic, the effects of aspects and the effects of conjunctions (which is a placement of two or more planets in a house and hence it is classified as a house effect), is found in the different periods of the mahadasa and bukti ie. initial, middle or towards the end.

Warmest Regards
Hock Leong

[astroboy]

Good day to you Khoo xiānsheng,

Wonderfull post. You really do have a flair for writting I must admit.

You wrote,

I am currently reading Uttarakalamritam another classic and they do say that planets in retrogade and it its fall sign do get its debilitation cancelled and equals in strength to an exalted planet.

I approach this combination with extreme caution. Like Uttara Kalamitram, Phaladipika also state's that a debilitated but Retrograde planet is equivalent to a exalted planet. But this statement is often misundestood to be the literal truth. This would also means that a exalted planet when Retrograde become debilitated. I have seen that this is not the case in reality. Yes Retrograde planets are strong, But a debiliated Malefic owning bad houses when retrograde becomes strong and will give strong malefic effects by acting like a Debilitated malefic. I still hold that a debilitated Retrograde Malefic will not act like a exalted planet. A Benefic planet who is Retrograde and exalted and who own's good houses will still give good result's.

Phaladipika often does not bother to make clear unambiguous statements. This malady has been carried over in the case of Retrograde planets also.



My 2 cent's


Best regard's

[astroboy]

These are the details of Katie holmes who has a Exalted Retrograde Guru in her Lagna. she ran her Guru AD in the MD of shukra from march 2004 - Nov 2006 in which time she landed her self with Tom Cruise and married him, had her daughter Suri Cruise and also acted in "Batman Begin's". Guru being Retrograde and exalted did her no harm in the least but only propelled her top the top. Note that 2 MahaPurusha Yoga's ( Hamsa and Malavya ) were in Full steam at the time.

18 12 1978 @ 21:32 @ Toledo Junction Ohio./ Lagna is Cancer @ 29.11

[astroboy]

This is the Horoscope of a person who has a debilitated Malefic who is Retrograde. October 08 1970 @ 4.25 AM @ Palgat India

Subject Has Yogakaraka Mar's in the Lagna with a Well placed Shukra. But Shani has Not given him anything special In his AD's . The Native lack's what I would term " The element of Luck " because both 5th and the 9th house are afflicted. There are 12 Raja Yoga's in the horoscope and that has saved him a great deal. Here Shani own's 2 bad houses , The 6th and the 7th , A maraka house. Even if we, For arguement sake consider Shani to be exalted because he is Retrograde in his debiliatation house, There is little good you can expect from him. His malefic intention is curtailed because of Guru's aspect.

[rrr1519]

Dear Khoo, Astroboy,

I have Venus+Mercury in 11th house in Aries in Navamsha.

Is this combination an auspicious one even if it is in Navamsha?

Regards
RRR

[Dev]

My elder sister has mercury and venus in the second house, exalted mercury and neecha bhanga venus, and all she knows is music. She has done her MPhil in music and has given several concerts including music academy and has guided several students in India in the past and is guiding students in Canada and US now. I also have mercury and venus but they are also with other 5 planets and I also give concerts but not to her extent. I have a profession of my own. May be the difference is because she has exclusively the needed combination of budha and sukra for music but I have others along with them. Her sukra is exalted in amsa.

Dev

[map]

Hi cjappuji,

DOB: July 25, 1965
POB: Jodhpur India
Latitude 26 N 17 Longitude 73 E 01
TOB: 7:30 am

how about this native's marriage and children?

regards
map

[map]

Hi cjappuji,

Yes.

regards
map

[map]

Hi cjappuji,

DOB: July 25, 1965
POB: Jodhpur India
Latitude 26 N 17 Longitude 73 E 01
TOB: 7:30 am

is the native a practicing advocate or a legal counsel for a bank?

regards
map

[hiimnotcool]

Hi sir,

can you post the result of the other 3,4,5 planet combinations for forum members to read?

I have mercury, venus and mars in 4th house with Aries asc.

[p.stranger]

Hi Khoo
I am having this combination in D-10 in 6th house . only mercury & venus are there in leo in 6th house . Is it good if it occurs in 6th house ?

Regards-
Pradeep

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Hi astroboy

Thanks for the insight. It looks like Saptarishis Magazine is of the same opinion of you as well since they did not bring in this factor for cancellation ie. planets in its fall in retrogression and your examples are also edifying.

Agree with you.

Warmest Regards
Hock Leong

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Hi Iluvm

Another thing I want to clarify about this post on how to incorporate aspects.

Now we know Mercury+Venus is a powerful Rajastic combination. But even for non-Sattvic activities like writing a book, some planets are better at it, in this case being the Moon (for iedas and imagination) and Jupiter (for quality of thought). So if they cannot combine with Mercury and Venus as conjuncting planets, how to incorporate the power pair (Mercury+Venus) and Moon+Jupiter so that the person becomes a fantastic writer?

This is where dispositorship or aspects can come into the picture. Like my Mercury+Venus is in Pisces in D-7 in the 3rd house of writing. It is disposited by Jupiter so Jupiter comes into the picture. Moon is the Ascendant in D-7 so this is another way how other planets can come into the picture.

If on the other hand, Moon or Jupiter were to participate in the conjunction, then the Rajastic element would be watered down.

So same with all other non-Sattvic activities like cooking, singing etc. Mercury and Venus alone does not mean they can completely master all subjects. They only give the necessary Rajastic push.

For Sattivic activities eg. conjuncting in the 9th house, as I have already mentioned earlier conjuncting of Sattvic planets would hold sway.

So in astrology, we have to juggle the factors so that better judgements can be made.

Warmest Regards
Hock Leong