ASTRO SONU JI DEV JI AND RAMANAN JI - REGARDING SIDDHAS

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Dear MohanJI,

I do not know from where u keep getting these questions. Actually, siddhas are not 18 in number at all. For convenience ppl have collected the names of 18 great souls and put them in a photograph for commercial use.

A person who has accomplished an achievement is called a siddha.

Infact, there are 8 bhagirmukha siddhis popularly called Ashta Aishwaryas namely, health, wealth, fame, good family and so on.

The same way there are 8 antharmukha siddhis called Ashtama siddhis namely, Isathva, Vasithva, Anima, Magima and so on.
That is why in olden days elders used to bless ppl with all the 16 blessings.

Once a person attains all these 16 then he is a great soul and if he transcends this he attains the 17th step. This is the stage of a true sannyasi who is not bothered about any type of power or comfort.

If somebody can transcend the ego of a man who has no cares in the world then he attains the lotus feet of God and that is the 18th step.

If u c in Sabarimala temple there will be 18 steps before u c the deity representing the states which a man has to transcend before coming face-to-face with the Material who made all this material.

So, a siddha is not an individual. It is actually a state.

The basic difference between a siddha and a sage is, a siddha accomplishes by shrinking and a sage accomplishes the same by manifestation.

A siddha attains a state of no ego and a sage a state of supra-ego.

Hope this clarifies.

Ofcourse, the names like Agasthiya, Ramadeva, Danvanthri, Valmiki are certainly siddhas. But, they are not restricted by any number. There may be any number of siddhas in the world whom we may not know.

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Ramanan ji, As always, It's a pleasure to read your posts. This one takes the cake. I like your Bit about ShabriMala's 18 steps. I also had the same question and then came to a simple and childish conclusion that 8+1= 9 and that 9 = 9 planets, Its only after we step on and cross the material comforts that these planets have to offer that we will be able to see God in all his glory. But your explaination made my day. Thank you.

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Dear Astroboy,

As usual its a pleasure to c u buddy. All the best!

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RAMANAN
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Another masterpiece by Ramanan. I am not allowed to put ji with Ramanan's name because he has asked me not to do so. But, actually he is my Vidya Guru. I learn so much everyday from his posts.

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Hi Sonu,

Come on we are friends. Y put 'ji' or 'guru' and have a distance.

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dear mohanji

u cud have asked me the same question directly. You dont know how bad is my typing.

Anyway, regards
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O' Ramana:

In short, those who are in bliss or one who is samadhi with Father Shiva and Mother Devi always can be called as a siddha, right?

Om Sri Sat chit Ramanayah namah.

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Some information I got on Siddhas:

A siddhar is one who has attained "Ashtama Siddhis". The ashtama siddhis are
as follows:
1.Anima (shrinking) -- Power of becoming the size of an atom and entering
the smallest beings.
2.Mahima (illimitability) -- Power of becoming mighty and co-extensive

with the universe. The power of increasing one's size without limit.
3.Lagima (lightness) -- Capacity to be quite light though big in size.
4.Garima (weight) -- Capacity to weigh heavy, though seemingly small size.

5.Prapthi (fulfillment of desires) -- Capacity to enter all the worlds from Brahma Loga to the neither world. It is the power of attaining everything desired.

6.Prakasysm (irresistable will) -- Power of disembodying and entering into other bodies (metempsychosis) and going to heaven and enjoying what everyone aspires for, simply from where he stays.
7.Isithavam (supremacy) -- Have the creative power of God and control
over the Sun, the moon and the elements and

8.Vasithavam (dominion over the elements) -- Power of control over King and Gods. The power of changing the course of nature and assuming any form.

Generally siddhars are considered to be super human beings who have defined age and other laws of nature to which all human beings are defined to. The historians of Alexander the great, spoke of the existence of a class of mystics called Gymnosophists in all countries from Egypt to India .These siddhars were found in Alexandria in as late as the fourth century A.D. There are 18 siddhars in the Tamil siddha tradition. Each of the siddhars had lived in varied places under different names. The following are most common names of the 18 siddhars. They are listed in the order of their time period.

1.Sri Agasthiyar Siddhar
2.Sri Pathanjali Siddhar
3.Sri Kamalamuni Siddhar
4.Sri Thirumoolar Siddhar
5.Sri Kuthambai Siddhar
6.Sri Korakkar Siddhar
7.Sri Thanvandri Siddhar
8.Sri Sundaranandar Siddhar
9.Sri Konganar Siddhar
10. Sri Sattamuni Siddhar
11. Sri Vanmeegar Siddhar
12. Sri Ramadevar Siddhar
13. Sri Nandeeswarar Siddhar
14. Sri Edaikkadar Siddhar
15. Sri Machamuni Siddhar
16. Sri Karuvoorar Siddhar
17. Sri Bogar Siddhar
18. Sri Pambatti Siddhar

These are some common popular names of siddhars, but as respected Ramanaji pointed out, there are 100s of siddhars who have not been known in all over the world. They are in generally souls who have become one with this universe by being in themselves.

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Dear Rajithaji:

Siddhars means not persons who just lived in the past, but they are souls who are always there in the present, past, and future. See, you and me are seeing this world with this naked eye. As a common human being, you neither I, cannot understand or see anything beyond common man's perceptions or ideas....please first of all clearly understand this phenomena. Only with a divine eye, can one understand things and not with naked eyes. That's why scientists are finding new things on a daily basis up in the space, like they have discovered a new galaxy up in the space and found out new planets etc and they take pride in that and it is the mere foolishness they are thinking they have discovered because they have not seen it before. The same planet they wont find some time later and might discover another new thing.

The same way, siddhars are always there as a soul, but as a soul, they wont create panic in this vibhuti of almighty unless they are provoked to do so because they are always in Ananda or bliss. They do not try to do this or that for themselves...but they always try to do one thing, that is to be in the bliss always and nothing else. The rest of the siddhis they have with them is just to use it as and when needed and not to merely use it as a slave of mind like common human beings do. Siddhars are souls who are beyond mind and panchaboothas and panchaindriyas and they are one who have become one with Lord Shiva and Mother and hence, they cannot be spotted by naked eyes. There are very high phenomenoas and strange things going on in this world on a daily basis always which the naked eyes of you or me cannot spot or our mind cannot receive such things.

So, my point of saying is this "do not describe things according to your perception or a common human being perception." Please visit Sathuragiri.com. There are 18 siddhars who are worshipping both inside and outside Lord Shiva and Devi with their 1000s and 1000s of years old body. If you are lucky, you can see them if you go there...otherwise, you wont see anything. I hope you understand what I am telling. The same way, there are lots of siddhars residing all over the world, but they do not come out into the world and will say "I am a siddhar, I have supernatural powers nor will say I have been doing worship of Lord Shiva and Devi in Prathyaksha" Still there are siddhars residing in dense forests in Thiruvannamalai and other hillock areas plus around the globe. It is all experience....how would you describe that experience?

You might be aware of an incident which happened in Thiruvannamalai last year, whereby one person did saw a siddhar nearly. As he was trying to catch a glimpse of the siddhar in his mobile phone, the siddhar just flew into the sky like a rocket saying "jai shiva" and disappeared. In fact, major daily newspapers in India carried that news and all major media players as well.

If you have divine eye, u will be absolutely stunned to see so many strange phenomenas going in this world which poor common fellows cannot neither understand by any of their means, like with mind, intellect, perceptions. A huge Maya is going in this world. The problem we common human being are having is we are trying to align everything according to our perception and the vastness of our mind, but unfortunately it is not the reality. Reality is something else. Today, if you go to Kailash-Manosarovar and if u stay at night in Manosarovar, in early morning at around 3-3:30 a.m., sometimes you might be able to see Saptha Rishis coming to bath in Manosarvoar from Kailas up above with some bell sounds. Some have seen a vapor like 7 forms coming from up above with bell sounds and dipping in Manosarovar and again moving up and disappearing. If you say, it is not there, it is ur bad luck that u are not able to experience and those who have experienced it "it means they are fortunate" It is like one who says God is not there, how u can prove to him/her that God is there? It has to be experienced by him/her so that he/she believes.. Till that time, he/she will keep on arguing that God does not exist.

One must transcend the mind which is the monkey to know every fact.

Lord Krishna tells to Arjuna "not to try to estimate my infinitness or Vibhuti" and Arjuna praising the lord in the sloka "Na Anthyam Na Madhyam.......Pashyami Tvam Viseshwara Vishwarupa" meaning no beginning, no middle, or end. Oh my lord, i am seeing you everywhere, in each being, you being the lord of all worlds. Though Arjuna described it in words, I feel sometimes the words are not enough. Experience, experience, and be the experiencer and nothing else. In short, "everything is a state of experience"

Like a ignorant scientist if you want to explore, you will just keep on exploring with no ends searching into the moon, sun, galaxy, and space :D .

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Dear RajithaJi,

IMO, Its the design of Time & Space, that "collectively we perish, individually we stand tall". Its all about individual's(soul) goal/growth and not a collective goal, though it might appear so.

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Rajithaji:

"Narayanji,
The siddas you mention, I doubt anyone would have now. I think they are all a thing of the past. But, it is amazing that humans could do such things.
Just imagine if someone could do it now. They would wreak havoc in today's world."

It is possible, you can also have that all siddhis if you are able to open up the 7 chakras inside you which lies inside the astral body. Not the body you are talking from. But, you need a guru who can help or guide you to channelize the energy properly. Once it is set, then you can be yourself or you can practice yourself, but till that time one really need an expert to guide.

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There are several names of siddhars that have appeared and who have been popular only within the town or may be state. They have done wonders but they have been noy so popular outside. They naturally do not want fame but it comes naturally to them. There are several of them from southern places in Tamilnadu for example

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Hi Dev,

Which part of southern Tamil Nadu? I wonder why they are only praised in Tamil culture.
Can you explain more?

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Dear Sunny
Siddhar is a tamil word. There were many who have lived near Madurai, Pudukottai, Karaikudi and so on. One echil samiyar lived till few years back near Pallattur. Some have ashrams also built by others who come and stay there for peace of mind. They are suppose to be living there even after they are gone. Haridas giri swami went into jalasamadhi. Even Sadasivabrahmendral, Tyagaraja, Diskshitar and Syamasastri are siddhapurushars. Many Siddhars lived throughout India, in Himalayas and so on. Since they dont aspire for fame, only some are known who are noticed by others, It may be due to their horoscopes. Anyway it is the highest state and they are worthy of worship everywhere and when we constantly even visit their ashrams, it will do a lot of good to may be, destroy our karmas too.

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Dear Sunnyji:

Siddhars are those who have attained the state of Shiva or one who have become one with Shiva. They are not visible to naked eyes of human beings with which we are seeing the world now. They possess as told earlier Ashtma Siddhis-viz the 8 siddhis. They are already in peace. They mostly reside nearby some hillocks of Lord shiva and devi, mostly in some terrain forests. When i say, they reside, they can reside with a body or without a body. They are beyond time and space always immersed in Shiva himself. If they wish, they can appear before you in any form, even in the form of dog they can appear.

Sunnyji, they are known in tamil culture mostly as far as I know. I do not know why. They are not particularly restricted to any particular part in Tamilnadu, but if you are interested, you may find in and around the hillocks of Thiruvannamalai, in and around Kanchipuram, Pazhani, Tiruchendur, and so on.

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Devji,
U have any information on the samadhi location of echil saamiyaar? I hail from that region.

Many famous South Indian temples have samadhis of siddhars. for ex. Tirupati, Palani, Tiruchendur, Marundeeswarar(Thiruvanmiyur), Kalahasthi. I think, more than anything, its their samadhis that make these temples powerful.

Tiruvannamalai is reputed to have a college of siddhars permanently residing in the mountain and it seems they do Giripradakshina in reverse direction. There is reference to this in Ramana Maharishi's talks with his disciples. He was also visited by siddhars in animal forms for darshan.

Interestingly, presently a renunciate is residing in Tiruvannamalai called Mukkupodi Saamiyaar who goes Giripradakshina in reverse direction. He looks like a beggar. They disguise themself to avoid crowds.
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Dear Kandhan:

Yes, his ashram is in between the Kottaiyur and Kandanur road and it is in an interior location which does not have proper bus facilities. It is better to get off at Kottaiyer and take an auto from there, it is not far but it is a zig zag way.

Yes as you said, Tirupati, Palani, Tiruchendur, Marundeeswarar(Thiruvanmiyur), Kalahasthi do have the samadhis nearby that make these temples powerful.

Tiruvannamalai is of course very well known and that is why Rajnikanth, Ilayaraja etc are frequent visitors and their spiritual upliftment is visible for all. Yes. they disguise themself to avoid crowds, it is true because they dont need praise or crowd or followers since they have forgotten "I" and merged with lord spiritually.

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Hi Dev

Can u please ashram(s) or samadhis or siddars or any that are around tirupati,kalahasti that make these temple so powerful so that when I go nexttime I can visit other than main temple(shrine).

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Dear Venkat:

This Kandan may be able to reply. He talked of Tirupati, Kalahasti and so on and he may probably be able to give the addresses.

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Dear Venkat,
Tirupathi it is Konganar and his samadhi cannot be traced easily. It is inside a forest far away from the main temple. and Kalahasti it is Kannappa naayanaar and that temple also is not the one which is at the back. It is a seperate shiva temple a couple of kilometers away on top of a hillock.

Trust this helps.
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Venkat:

Kannappa Nayanar is a separate shrine, behind Kalahasti temple. Behind the temple, there are some steps which goes upwards where Kannappa Nayanar was given darshan in prathyaksha by Lord shiva and Devi when he was about to donate his second eye to Lord. It was a very calm and peaceful place. The shrine there is not always open. There is a small pond inside Kannappa Nayanar shrine. Only 1 or 2 person can only enter into the shrine at the same time as there is that much space only. From that shrine, up above, u can see the whole of Kalahasti. The shrine opens at various times according to the wish of the priest as they do not do much puja and all there. So, the priest comes early in the morning there and after performing small puja, leaves back to the main sanctorum down below.

Unless you are good at meditation, u cant experience any other thing other than just the idol.

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Thankyou Very much Dev,Ramanan,Narayan.

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Dev ji

my knowledge is only hearsay. As Ramanan Sir has pointed out, its almost impossible to locate the samadhis of the traditionally known 18 siddhas. Of the lesser known siddhas, i saw a small structure near Marudeeswarar temple designated as Samadhi of Valmiki(different from author of Ramayana) and have also seen samadhis of Moovar(three siddhas) inTiruchendur. Pamban Swami's jeeva samadhi is also in Thiruvanmiyur. Bogar's(Palani) samadhi is supposed to be located at the base of the hill.

Regarding Tirupati I hear that Konganar had also installed a powerful Dhana yantra in the temple. Hence it attracts so much money.

There is well documented samadhi site of Sri Svayamprakash Brahmendra Avadhuta Swami at Sendamangalam Murugan Temple near Salem for those interested.

Will auto drivers be able to take me to the samadhi if I mention the name or should I need to mention the exact locality?
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