Astroboy ..SOSO....PLEASE REPLY ATLEAST ONCE...CAREER

[milredr]

Well Astroboy,

U dont have to surrender. Atleast not to destiny is predestined. Thats Basab's perspective. Not many of us would want to agree to this. However we can agree to disagree. On a lighter note, I am actually wondering if Basab is using his freewill to keep saying destiny is predestined:)(Basab i said on a lighter note, so u dont have to actually counter this). Anyway the point I am trying to make is, each one of us has their point of view and we neednt necessarily agree. Astroboy, u r doing a great job in responding to so many people. Lot of people actually find solace in what you have to say. Pl continue to do the good work and accumulate good Karma. TC.

Regards,

Milred

[chaks]

Yeah Astroboy, Milred's right. You are indeed doing a great job. If one needs to know everything in astrology (if ever there was one) before he dispenses with advice, then there won't be any point in the forum. We are all here to share what we know with others, learn, and develop our knowledge. If everybody keeps holding back their views just because he doesn't have full knowledge, we can't discuss anything or learn. The people asking for advice very well know that our opinions will be limited to our knowledge of the subject. Nobody can claim full knowledge of astrology and 100% successful predictions, not even professional astrologers. So keep going, give us your views and advise people. Don't hold back.

All the very best to you.

[sonali.shah]

Totally agree with Chaks and Milred. You are doing a great service on this forum. Please continue your great work and don't hold back. What surprises me is that people who believe that destiny is pre-destined are in an astro forum. That seems counter-intuitive to me, but then I am a dumb person with a neecha lagna, what do I know.

Regards,

SS

Yeah Astroboy, Milred's right. You are indeed doing a great job. If one needs to know everything in astrology (if ever there was one) before he dispenses with advice, then there won't be any point in the forum. We are all here to share what we know with others, learn, and develop our knowledge. If everybody keeps holding back their views just because he doesn't have full knowledge, we can't discuss anything or learn. The people asking for advice very well know that our opinions will be limited to our knowledge of the subject. Nobody can claim full knowledge of astrology and 100% successful predictions, not even professional astrologers. So keep going, give us your views and advise people. Don't hold back.

All the very best to you.

[astroboy]

Good day to you all,

Milred JI, Chaks JI and Sonali ji, Thanks a lot for your kind words. It means a lot to me. Thanks once again.

Sonali ji, If you are dumb, then I am retarded. . You have a very tricky horoscope. It makes sense both from the moon lagna and the asc. But i will analyse this horoscope purely from the lagna. , with the help of Yoga's.

Let us first see how Shukra get's his Neeecha Bhanga . There is real meaning to your Neecha Bhanga as we shall see, Shukra get's neecha bhanga in 4 different way's

1. The debilitated planet exchanges houses with its debilitation lord. (Budha)
2. The debilitated planet is associated with or aspected by its exaltation lord (Guru)
3. The exaltation lord of the debilitated planet is in a Kendra from Moon.(Guru)
4. The exaltation lord of the debilitated planet is in a Kendra from Lagna.

People talk about Rahu in the 3rd leading to a Raja Yoga. But why ? The answer lies in the true nature of Rahu. Rahu is the 3rd house. The 3rd house is a house of " self Improvement, great prowess, physicalstrength, perseverance power and the conscious mind."

Rahu is a man of greed. if Ketu is detachment then Rahu is Desire. Rahu is always working overtime, trying to receive validation in an entitled role for which He thinks he is qualified.
He wants everything to be his. When he sits in the 3rd he aspects the 9th house of "Affluence, Higher studies, foreign travel, crowning achievements and the acme of perfection." Rahu induces a frenzy to aim for the best. The person will use his "free will" to break the shackles and fetters imposed by the planets.

A Maha-Parivartana Yoga occurs when The Lagna lord exchanges houses with the 2nd lord, and the 5th lord, This combination promises wealth, status and physical enjoyments, plus beneficial influences from the houses involved. But since the lagna lord is Neecha the person has to use extreme effort to get the fruits promised by this yoga.

The Ruchaka yoga is intensely powerful be cause he is in Budha's nakshatra and is strong in the shad bala. (Budha and Kuja are compound Friends here ) This Kuja casts his aspect on Chandra as well as the lagna. This is why I used the word intense. Kuja induces a extraodinary desire for sports and fitness, everything becomes a challenge and a "must win" situation is created in the natives mind. The person thus driven will use her "free will" to prove to her self that she is the best. Lagna lord when debilitated induces the person with a extraodinary need to prove to herself that she is the best. Morale is at a all time low but free will comes into play and the person will use it to boost her morale up day in and day out.

As far as sucess and wealth goes a Kalanidhi Yoga is produced when Jupiter is located in the 2nd or the 5th house, occupying the signs of Mercury and Venus. This yoga is strong because Guru aspects the 11th house of income. The person is wealthy, learned, virtuous, healthy, undaunted and given to sensual pleasures. Remember that this yoga is blemished due to the presence of a Neecha planet in the house producing the yoga. But its not Null and Void because Guru is simultaniously participating in the Neecha Bhanga Raja yoga.

Your Ill health is due to the Dainya Parivartana Yoga caused by the 6th house lord exchanging houses with the the 2nd lord. this leads to persistent trouble from opponents, and ill health.

Trust this help's

[Basab]

Astroboy and Milredr,

I remember reading in one of Vaughn Paul's articles, that there are two school of thoughts in regard to karma and destiny: one of action and one of surrender. If I get the article, I will post the link here.

[astroboy]

Sonali ji, and Milred JI, and Chak's ji.

For every 10 good yoga's I can show u 15 rotten yoga's in your horoscopes . I know all of you have gone to extraodinary length's to achieve sucess. I have a debilitated budha in the 3rd house and that lord is again debilitated in the lagna. Only i know the effort i have put to study astrology. It's sheer hard work and dedication that has got me here. It's like this, Suppose I have a yoga to travel abroad, Is it going to land on my lap without me getting a visa ? Dont I have to first put in a effort to secure a visa ? See a engineer has the free will to decide if he wants to be a pilot or stay on the ground, A barber has no free will to decide this, for no matter how hard he tries he is restrained by fate. It would be stupid of me to think I can get a degree in quantum physics considering both planets of education are fused. Looking at a horoscope shows you your area of strength and weakness. God is Kind, he gave us this science so that we can look into it and say " this is what my limitations are and these are my strength's let me concentrate on this." I know I am mediocre when it comes to astrology, But I try hard everyday by using my free will to learn this wonderful subject.

Thank's once again.

[Basab]

You have always had the last word Basab Ji. well you are the man. I surrender

Astroboy,

I am sorry, I am trying to impose my views on you and everyone else here. I have been trying to get over this trait of mine with my freewill since long, but then, no success yet. But then, I will not defend it, saying this, that it's my destiny, though it is nothing else but that. Hope, I am not confusing you again. Hehe... Anyway, don't bother about what I say. You are doing a great job, giving readings to people here and helping them. Keep it up!

[Basab]

Sonali,

You wrote:

Dear Basab,

If you believe destiny is pre-destined, then can you take a look at my chart?

And then, you wrote:

What surprises me is that people who believe that destiny is pre-destined are in an astro forum.

In the first post you say that I should check the chart because I believe, "destiny is predestined" and in one of your later posts in this same thread, you wonder why someone with that belief (you are very clearly pointing at me) is being in this astrology form at all. I am very much surprised by the way you change your view about something. Maybe, if I had answered your question, you would not have made the second statement. Anyway, everyone is free to share their thoughts.

[sonali.shah]

Dear Basab,

The first statement was made because several people who only go by the charts (forgetting that a chart only shows probability, not destiny) indicate a very tough time for the life I have led so far, where as only the opposite has been true. That's where I think my free-will has come into play. That was why the first statement was made and a reading was asked. I wanted to make it evident that I've used my free will, nothing more, nothing less.

The second statement was directed towards people (and you are in that group of people) who believe that destiny is predestined. It amuses me that such people would be part of forum that deals with astrology. But everyone is entitled to their opinions, likes, and dislikes. So I am just expressing my opinion here which I am entitled to.

For me, astrology is only about probability. The position of the planets and the dashas only show probability...whether the chance of an event occurring is high or low. If I go buy a lottery ticket when my 2nd lord , 9th, and 11th lord are super-happy, my chances of winning increase. But nothing will happen, if I don't go and buy that ticket. You get what I am aiming at? If astrology were to be a perfect science, then we would be seeing predictions with a 100 percent accuracy, which rarely ever happens.

I want to close the loop here (and I hope you agree ), otherwise it will only lead to an infinite discussion as I don't agree with you and you don't agree with me. So no hard feelings.

-SS

Sonali,

You wrote:

Dear Basab,

If you believe destiny is pre-destined, then can you take a look at my chart?

And then, you wrote:

What surprises me is that people who believe that destiny is pre-destined are in an astro forum.

In the first post you say that I should check the chart because I believe, "destiny is predestined" and in one of your later posts in this same thread, you wonder why someone with that belief (you are very clearly pointing at me) is being in this astrology form at all. I am very much surprised by the way you change your view about something. Maybe, if I had answered your question, you would not have made the second statement. Anyway, everyone is free to share their thoughts.

[Basab]

Sonali,

I feel really tempted to write a long reply to your post, but then, I am not going to do that. Maybe, I am using my free will here, or maybe, it is God's will. Anyway, I agree, we should not argue about this. Thanks for clearing up your point. And my apologies for misunderstanding you.

[milredr]

Hey basab, to add to all the above, saying whatever one wants to say, shoving ones opinion down everybody's throat, and saying its one's destiny to say all this, comes across as sheer arrogance and not destiny to me. Now one may not b arrogant at all, but if that's how one is perceived its bad karma for the person. Secondly ur statement about not giving advise with half baked info was extremely in bad taste. I clearly tht u were telling astrboy that. Though u said u meant it in general, its not fair on anyone as the people who come here and advise spend their time n energy to give some solace to the other people. Now if I write all this to u n then say sorry basab, won't u stil feel bad. Let's not get personal and let's not impose our views on others. Regards milred

[Basab]

Hey basab, to add to all the above, saying whatever one wants to say, shoving ones opinion down everybody's throat, and saying its one's destiny to say all this, comes across as sheer arrogance and not destiny to me.

Milredr,

I will just quote a few lines from one of my previous posts in this thread, addressed to Astroboy, and you will realize that you are falsely accusing me. I hope you will not accuse me with this line again after reading the following lines that I am going to quote from my previous posts here in this thread:

It is not good to give the excuse of destiny for every misake you make, for every flaw in your nature, for all you weaknesses. Yes, it is destined no doubt, but encouraging a thought, which defends your weakness, your flaws is not something good.

Astroboy,

I am sorry, I am trying to impose my views on you and everyone else here. I have been trying to get over this trait of mine with my freewill since long, but then, no success yet. But then, I will not defend it, saying this, that it's my destiny, though it is nothing else but that.

I have made it very clear here, as you can see, that I don't justify any wrong WITH THE EXCUSE OF DESTINY, even when I feel, it is that.

Secondly ur statement about not giving advise with half baked info was extremely in bad taste. I clearly tht u were telling astrboy that. Though u said u meant it in general, its not fair on anyone as the people who come here and advise spend their time n energy to give some solace to the other people. Now if I write all this to u n then say sorry basab, won't u stil feel bad.

See, before telling Astroboy or anyone, I was pointing the finger at myself because I too have given free readings here just like Astroboy has given. (You may not know because you have joined this forum even less than an year back.) And, I have almost stopped giving reading to people now because I have realized this that I don't know astrology that well to give predictions, because I myself am a very big victim of wrong predictions given by an amateur astrologer, whom I believed, being very young then, and so I know, how it feels when something positive told to you as per your birth chart doesn't work out that way. It feels terrible to be given some hope and that hope turning to dust because the astrologer was not correct in his prediction, and makes you really angry when you get to know that the astrologer was an amateur one. And then, if you give negative prediction to someone, it is even worse, because it will keep you scared for a long time till that period passes, and you realize, that it was never supposed to be negative, and the prediction given was wrong as the astrologer was an amateur. Can the amateur astrologer compensate for the fear that got on the person when there was nothing to worry about? I have read about people who get depressed that they have a bad chart because an astrologer has said that, and later on it is learned that the astrologer was wrong.

Now, I think it is more unfair to those people who are the victims of wrong predictions than those who give those predictions. I don't think it is the right thing to indulge in something which is wrong (morally incorrect), giving prediction to people when the person himself is an amateur astrologer, and you are doing that--encouraging something which is wrong. Now, if the person wants to give predictions, he should at least, mentioned this that his prediction can always be wrong because he is still learning. And about pointing out my mistakes, you definitely should do that if I am doing something wrong and should not care whether I feel bad or not--I will appreciate that very much. It is wrong to keep quite when a person is doing mistake thinking this that the person will get hurt.

[chaks]

I am tempted to write a long post too but most of it would be in the path that is already treaded, so ill desist.

Astroboy, your knowledge, hard work and dedication are there in your posts for all to see. If anybody has read your posts he will agree with that. Astrology is not an exact science as Sonali rightly points out and most of it boils down to one's judgment in the end and everybody's prone to some judgmental errors. You have done remarkably well so far. Don't let small differences of opinion affect you. Keep up your good work.

[Nitin21]

Dear Indyan,

Let's first try to understand the root of this. Who controls destiny ? It's the lord. What are the qualities of Lord ? He is Anadi, omnipotent, omnipresent and an embodiment of love. Lord is pure Satva guna. And Although, the almighty controls the tamas and Rajsik, these are not part of his Gunas. He merely controls it. Lord also controls the bad things via Kali. Kali is completely under Gods control.

Now, if we say that everythign is predestined, then obviously life seems like a mechanical movie. And God is neither MAhesh Bhatt nor Subash Ghai. He does not derive pleasure from such mechanical movies. So why would the Lord picture such a mechanical sequence ?. Life is not mechanical at all.

Secondly, if we say destiny is predestined, then why some people are happy and some are sad. Is God partial ? NO. Partiallity is not a quality of God. So, he is not the one who would give AIDS to someone and a perfectly healthy life to someone else. So, this is also ruled out.

What's left ? KARMA ?

When we do something, there is a result of it. Let's assume that a person in the lifespan of 50 years spent nearly 25 years of life doing charity, helping needy, worshipping Parents and nitya sadhana of the Lord. Rest 25 he spent eating flesh, evading taxes, killed someone in an accident, uprooted a few trees etc. How is this karmic balance to be achieved. Everything will not result in the judgement in this same birth. So, the good and bad deeds he committed will have an impact on next life he takes. He will have to pay for good and bad deeds in the next life. But then does the mechanical part start now ? Will only the past be experienced in this birth ? Then what is the purpose of us taking birth here ?

Well, we pay for past birth good and bad deeds that are fixed and predestined. But at the same time we again generate new karmas that will overcome or extend the past good and bad deeds and multiply the good and bad effects in future. this is not predestined. This is free will. And that's how we overcome issues in current life with remedies prescribed in vedic texts. Even the worst sins of life have a prayashchita if done with penance and pure heart. Shukracharya got his eye back with his penance towards Shri Vishnu.

Lord is not hard hearted. We must never feel the partiality and biasness because it is our own karma. Infact, Lord is the one who guides us through. the people who take his shelter get guided and those who do not continue with the misdeeds. Who would want to give away the golden opportunity to be at the feet of the almighty who can help us purify and resurrect our samskaras and karmas, which otherwise we are bound to follow in a mechanical way ?.

That's the reason, we must never doubt God. You make your own destiny. And destiny is made from the Karma you attach to yourself. But that does not mean Lord has no control over it. It simply means that whatever you act the reaction of the same is under the control of God and we are all subservient to him.

Hope this helps.

Regards
Sonu

PS : If destiny is predestined (I think its too) then it means nothing is good and nothing is bad.Coz anything and everything is destined, If we feed a beggar is also destined and if we murder anyone is also destined then how come we are culprit or holy person? Due to KARMA? Free will ? or something else?

[sonali.shah]

Dear Basab,

No need to apologize. All is well

-SS

Sonali,

I feel really tempted to write a long reply to your post, but then, I am not going to do that. Maybe, I am using my free will here, or maybe, it is God's will. Anyway, I agree, we should not argue about this. Thanks for clearing up your point. And my apologies for misunderstanding you.

[Basab]

Sonali,

It's not "All is well", but "Aal izz well". Hehe... By the way, are you into shares? I can't remember correctly, but I think, it was you who had said sometime back that you were into shares. And do pass me your birth details if it's not a problem: I would like to check your chart, to understand it: whether it was free will or God's will: the reason for your success in life. Lagna lord debiliated doesn't always mean failure in life. 10th house of career and 9th house of fortune and 11th house of achievements and a lot of things should be checked. And then, lagna lord can be strong in the navamsha, which will give it some strength.

[kyos]

[Basab]

Just read these few para's, which I am quoting from Chapter 21 (We Visit Kashmir), of the book, "Autobiography of a Yogi" by Paramhansa Yogananda (http://www.crystalclarity.com/yogananda/chap21.html), and think it over, whether destiny is predestined or not?

'Master was curious about the strange little red fruits. He bought a basketful and offered it to Kanai and myself, who were near-by. I tasted one berry but spat it hastily on the ground.

"Sir, what a sour fruit! I could never like strawberries!"

My guru laughed. "Oh, you will like themin America. At a dinner there, your hostess will serve them with sugar and cream. After she has mashed the berries with a fork, you will taste them and say: 'What delicious strawberries!' Then you will remember this day in Simla."

Sri Yukteswar's forecast vanished from my mind, but reappeared there many years later, shortly after my arrival in America. I was a dinner guest at the home of Mrs. Alice T. Hasey (Sister Yogmata) in West Somerville, Massachusetts. When a dessert of strawberries was put on the table, my hostess picked up her fork and mashed my berries, adding cream and sugar. "The fruit is rather tart; I think you will like it fixed this way," she remarked.

I took a mouthful. "What delicious strawberries!" I exclaimed. At once my guru's prediction in Simla emerged from the fathomless cave of memory. It was staggering to realize that long ago Sri Yukteswar's God-tuned mind had sensitively detected the program of karmic events wandering in the ether of futurity.'

[There are many stories of wonderful predictions like the one stated above in the book, "Autobiography of a Yogi" (by Paramahansa Yogananda) and also in many other books, which I have read. I also know of stunningly accurate predictions in case of people I know, and that's the reason I say "destiny is predestined". It's not this, that I have a fascination for that line, or it's mere stubbornness on my part, which makes me think that way. And I am not forcing people to believe this. I am just sharing one of those wonderful stories of predestined destiny and trying to make a point. You can always ignore it; no one has to believe in this predestined destiny theory if they don't want to.]

[purohits]

Dear Respected Astrologers,

Could you please take a look at my chart and indicate whether i wil ever use my free will?
15/10/1971, 4.30PM, Hyderabad, India.

May be i am making a choice to believe destiny is pre-destined and one may say that every one has a choice - freewill or beleiving otherwise. Possibly, i am using the same freewill to believe the pre-destinty

I am a die hard believer in "destiny is pre-destined" as of now.

Thanks & Regards

Sridhar

[Nitin21]

Dear Sridhar,

the word is "FREE-WILL". how can it be visible in a pre-destined chart ?

Regards
Sonu

Dear Respected Astrologers,

Could you please take a look at my chart and indicate whether i wil ever use my free will?
15/10/1971, 4.30PM, Hyderabad, India.

May be i am making a choice to believe destiny is pre-destined and one may say that every one has a choice - freewill or beleiving otherwise. Possibly, i am using the same freewill to believe the pre-destinty

I am a die hard believer in "destiny is pre-destined" as of now.

Thanks & Regards

Sridhar

[purohits]

AstrosonuJi,

Agreed. and confused.

Best wishes.

Sridhar

[purohits]

Just wanted to share this:

Some of the tradtional astrologers I know dont even entertain prediction or frequent use of horoscopes for making decisions/activities except for religious purposes. They just suggest that to pray god and carry on.

Even my guru doesnt allow me to bring up my horoscope for questions( i am not learning astrology from him).

Now, in theory i am given by my guru the required mantra japa overcome issues that i am facing. But, for various reasons including health, time, my own laziness i am not able to do it to the extent required. This has been the case for quite some time.

I ask my guru, could you please do something about this? Any mantra or something? He said get lost

Question is how do i kick-start the engine? Answer - use freewill. In theory fine, but everyday i resolve to use it but end up not using it. Whats the way ahead?

I will keep trying harder to use the freewill and only hope that i will succeed one day.

Thanks & Regards

Sridhar

[Nitin21]

Whenever and where ever you are keep chanting "Shri Venkateshaya namah". This does not require any initiation from a Guru or any specific guidelines to follow. Try visit a punya nadi and take 3 times bath for 3 consecutive days there. Leave your clothes there that you used to take bath in. Return home and start your activities as prescribed by your Guruji. You shall see a difference.

Even if you cannot do above. Just chant "Shri Venkateshaya Namaha" all the time with the heartfelt desire to start japas that your Guruji has prescribed. I guess this should be simple for you.

Just wanted to share this:

Some of the tradtional astrologers I know dont even entertain prediction or frequent use of horoscopes for making decisions/activities except for religious purposes. They just suggest that to pray god and carry on.

Even my guru doesnt allow me to bring up my horoscope for questions( i am not learning astrology from him).

Now, in theory i am given by my guru the required mantra japa overcome issues that i am facing. But, for various reasons including health, time, my own laziness i am not able to do it to the extent required. This has been the case for quite some time.

I ask my guru, could you please do something about this? Any mantra or something? He said get lost

Question is how do i kick-start the engine? Answer - use freewill. In theory fine, but everyday i resolve to use it but end up not using it. Whats the way ahead?

I will keep trying harder to use the freewill and only hope that i will succeed one day.

Thanks & Regards

Sridhar

[purohits]

Dear Astrosonuji,

Thanks a ton for this. I will do as suggested.

Best wishes.

Sridhar

[Basab]

Just wanted to share this:

Some of the tradtional astrologers I know dont even entertain prediction or frequent use of horoscopes for making decisions/activities except for religious purposes. They just suggest that to pray god and carry on.

Even my guru doesnt allow me to bring up my horoscope for questions( i am not learning astrology from him).

I feel the same way Purohits. When I started learning astrology, all my attention would be on my own chart, and it made me very much dependent on it. Though, I never took decisions on the basis of my birth chart, I would always think of my life in terms of the planetary periods I was running and was going to run in the future, like, the present sub-period was bad and the next, after 2 years, was good, etc. It was always wrong, as per my logical mind, to be so much dependent on my birth chart, but my struggles were the reason. I used to consult a lot of astrologers too. But now, I have stopped that. Neither do I consult astrologers, nor do I take any interest in my birth chart. I hardly check my birth chart, and I am glad, I am off it. If only when something significant happens in my life, I will check my chart, to understand the astrological point, which will help me in my learning of the subject.

I feel, one should not depend on astrology or on the predictions made. One should always look at things in a practical and logical way, and make decisions after evaluating a situation logically—not astrologically. Yes, “destiny is predestined”, and whatever is destined will happen, but then, let destiny do its own work, and you do your own work. That is my belief. I always say “destiny is predestined”, not to defend my faults, my weaknesses, my wrongs, but to accept it, when my efforts don’t pay, when every step I take is full of struggles and obstacles, when problems keep coming in from all sides, when people humiliate me.

"Destiny is predestined" is not something I say to give excuse for my problems but to grow more endurance. “Destiny is predestined” is my spiritual way of looking at the same quote: “What cannot be cured must be endured”. One has to grow his endurance, and one needs some logic behind why he should accept his suffering, why he should accept his failures, his difficulties, and this wisdom, that everything is happening as per God’s will, that everything is happening as per destiny’s order, makes you accept it more easily. I don’t think there is anything wrong in accepting things when they are not going your way. Life is not about winning always, sometimes, we need to learn to lose, and accept it gracefully.

The quotation, “Destiny is predestined” has also taught me to be patient. When things are going wrong after repeated efforts, we just lose patience and get frustrated, but if we believe that there is a time for everything and nothing happens before that time, that gives us hope that maybe time will change for us one day, when our hard work will pay, when the struggles will be less.

That is all I wanted to say about my belief in "Destiny is predestined", which these days has become a line people tag me with but don't know what I really mean when I say it.