Conflicting views on yogakaraka's capability for Taurus Lagn

[foxjupiter]

Dear All,

Though Sani is a trinal and an angular lord for Taurus ascendant (thus fulfilling criteria to be yogakarak), some classics do suggest Sani's incapability to give results on its own.

Though, B.V.Raman has disqualified this veiw and strongly agrees on Sani being a Yogakarak.

Appended are the Birth-chart details of a person born in the same ascendant.
He is around 79 years old now.

DOB : 24-4-1932
TOB - 8:50am
Long : 76E39'00
Lat : 12N18'00

Asc - Taurus
Sun - Aries (Exalted)
Moon - Scorpio (Jyeshta) (Debilitated, With Neech Bhang due to Venus aspect)
Venus - Taurus (Own house, Malavya Yoga)
Mars - Pisces
Mercury - Pisces (Debilitated)
Jupiter - Cancer (Exalted)
Saturn - Capricorn (Own house)
Rahu - Pisces
Ketu - Virgo

Though having Malavya yoga, own house yogakaraka in the 9th, he lived a simple life.
Worked as a Govt Servant in the accounts section of forest dept, Owned just a two wheeler moped, had a medium own house (sold now), gets a good pension, wife died around 5 years ago.

Note : Exalted functional malefic Jupiter in 3rd aspects Moon, Saturn, Mars, Mercury & Rahu.
Only Sun, Venus & Ketu are free from Jupiter aspect.

Request members to share views on the same.

Best Regards...

[Nitin21]

location city ? timezone ?

[foxjupiter]

Location : Near Mysore in Karnataka

[Nitin21]

Saturn MD did not occur in his life. Moreover, the shadbala of Saturn is mere 381. Secondly in navamsa Saturn is debiliated. So, the fructification of Saturnian periods would not be as effective.

To summarize, merely being a yogakaraka does not qualify to be an outright benefic. The planetary strength needs to be there and strength in divisional charts needs to be seen too. OTherwise, the native gets ordinary results only. Second thing to keep in mind is to see if such yogakaraka is also a badhakesh and that it is not afflicted by Rahu, Gulika or 6th lord. Else some negativity must be expected due to badhaka effects.

Hope this helps.

Regards
sonu

[foxjupiter]

Hi astrosonu,

Appreciate your view points on the chart.

The Shadbala score is average according to my feel (not too low), but, as you said Sani MD did not occur which is a strong point.

The light on being Badhakesh also adds to the lesser fruit reaped.

Similarly for example take an Aquarius lagna, with badhakesh Yogakarak Venus yuti Ketu in the 9th (own house Tula) opposing 6th lord Moon yuti Rahu (Mesha).

Now, here the results should be the other way round.

I think a super benefic like Venus in such a placement in 9th would deliver all the good of the 4th & 9th house while at the same time mitigate the ill effects of Moon yuti Rahu

[b]Please Note: I have again put a query on a fixed lagna with an ownhouse Badhakesh opposing a functional malefic (Moon yuti Rahu here).[/b]

Opinions are welcome

[Nitin21]

No it is even worse because Venus as badhaka associates with moon which is 6th Lord. Also the nodes come into aspect because of this which is doubly diabolical. So, there are issues related to relationship with father OR his health or some kind of a curse(small or big).

However, the yogakaraka effects will continue to thrive.

Regards
Sonu

Hi astrosonu,

Appreciate your view points on the chart.

The Shadbala score is average according to my feel (not too low), but, as you said Sani MD did not occur which is a strong point.

The light on being Badhakesh also adds to the lesser fruit reaped.

Similarly for example take an Aquarius lagna, with badhakesh Yogakarak Venus yuti Ketu in the 9th (own house Tula) opposing 6th lord Moon yuti Rahu (Mesha).

Now, here the results should be the other way round.

I think a super benefic like Venus in such a placement in 9th would deliver all the good of the 4th & 9th house while at the same time mitigate the ill effects of Moon yuti Rahu

Please Note: I have again put a query on a fixed lagna with an ownhouse Badhakesh opposing a functional malefic (Moon yuti Rahu here).

Opinions are welcome

[astroboy]

Good day to you Fox Jupiter,

I want to make a point here that, Malavya Yoga did not make or break the man, Instead just saved him. Note that the man had a government Job. A big achievement in those days.

See the chart from a bird's eye view,

2nd and 5 th lord is debilitated.
Guru is exalted no doubt, but as the lord of the 11th his house lord Chandra is in debilitation thus robbing him of power. Chandra is further jacked because he is in Budha's nakshatra. Guru is in debilitation in the Navamsha.
Budha is finished because he is with 2 Malefics.
Navamsha Chandra is damaged because Shani the Rashi lord is debilitated in the Navamsha
Yogakaraka Shani is in Chandra Nakshatra. Chandra is debilitated In a debilitated Nakshatra.

Also note there is a Mild Kemadruma Yoga to Nullify the Malavya yoga because there are no planets in a kendra from Lagna, and Moon is in debilitation with no planets in the 2nd and the 12th from Moon.

Trust this helps,

[foxjupiter]

@ Astrosonu

Yes, Yogakarak's association with the Nodes and also being associated by the 6th lord does result is some issues as you have mentioned.

The -ve = The native and the father live separately with strained relations between.

The +ve = "Yogakaraka results continue to thrive", the native's father worked abroad and is very Rich. Native (24yrs) has finished MBA, lives in a palatial house with all the comforts and also has been abroad many a times.

Now, in a similar way, if we take Leo lagna with Yogakarak Mangal placed in the own house 9th and aspected by functional exalted malefic Sani from the 3rd, how would the results turn out? Lets assume Sani and Mangal are not aspected by any other planet nor have any conjunction.

Would love to keep inputs coming into this thread.

Best Regards.....

[foxjupiter]

@ Astroboy

Greetings Astroboy.

Sure your Bird's eye view of the chart supplements a lot.

Mercury's debilation in association with 2 first rate malefics is a big NOTE. Also Saturn's debilitation in Navamsha.

Now I have 2 queries for both Astrosonu & Astroboy.

1)Did functional malefic Jupiter's aspect on Moon, Mars, Mercury, Rahu & Saturn deny any better result? (Note : Saturn is opposing Jupiter, while Rahu & Jupiter aspect each other)

2)Is it necessary for the Mahadasha of the well placed planet to happen for realising the results??? Isnt an auspicoius placement of a planet in a chart likely to hold the good results throughout life?? ( For ex : The Aquarius Asc native with Venus in 9th, though with Nodes & opposing Moon, His Venus MD gets over this year )

Keep adding...

Best Regards...

[harinath.nitw]

As i told earlier in some other post...

For Taurus Ascendant.......

Saturn... when placed in 4th, 6th, 7th and 10th....... will give raja yoga...

When placed in 2nd and 8th... will give normal yoga...

When placed in 1st, 5th and 9th.... first 9 years troubles and normal yoga.........

When placed in 3rd, 11th and 12th.... no yoga.........

With Sun and Mars.... no yoga in any house.... Only negative results......

With Jupiter and Moon yoga depends on the house that they posited.....

With Venus and Mercury.... yoga will be more....

[shilpa]

Dear All,

Though Sani is a trinal and an angular lord for Taurus ascendant (thus fulfilling criteria to be yogakarak), some classics do suggest Sani's incapability to give results on its own.

Though, B.V.Raman has disqualified this veiw and strongly agrees on Sani being a Yogakarak.

Appended are the Birth-chart details of a person born in the same ascendant.
He is around 79 years old now.

DOB : 24-4-1932
TOB - 8:50am
Long : 76E39'00
Lat : 12N18'00

Asc - Taurus
Sun - Aries (Exalted)
Moon - Scorpio (Jyeshta) (Debilitated, With Neech Bhang due to Venus aspect)
Venus - Taurus (Own house, Malavya Yoga)
Mars - Pisces
Mercury - Pisces (Debilitated)
Jupiter - Cancer (Exalted)
Saturn - Capricorn (Own house)
Rahu - Pisces
Ketu - Virgo

Though having Malavya yoga, own house yogakaraka in the 9th, he lived a simple life.
Worked as a Govt Servant in the accounts section of forest dept, Owned just a two wheeler moped, had a medium own house (sold now), gets a good pension, wife died around 5 years ago.

Note : Exalted functional malefic Jupiter in 3rd aspects Moon, Saturn, Mars, Mercury & Rahu.
Only Sun, Venus & Ketu are free from Jupiter aspect.

Request members to share views on the same.

Best Regards...

--2nd lord of dhansthan is debilitated in the 11th house the Laabstahn....and the 5th house of wealth/ fortune gains is afflicted by Ket sitting in it.

--Further the 3rd Lord of social gains, communications siblings is debilitated in the 7th house whihc rules not only marriage but the ability to forge business partnerships.

--These placements terribly reduce the wealth generation potential of the native....5 out of 12 houses badly afflicted...and 3 are Dusthans anyway.

--INSPITE of 5 bad houses...., exalted Jupiter, ascendant Venus in it's own house and shani in the own house, exalted sun in the 12th would have ensure life of fullfilment....no shortage, severe, sacrcity or catostrophe in life, a good religious / spiritual sense.

--a chart of extremes....and sucess is judged not by where a man stands at the end....but how much journey he traveressed in his life.
or in other words...how much he rose relative to his start point.

what was the start point in life of this gentleman is also important to look at.
In totality i see planets delivering as much as they should.

Regards

[Hina]

Saturn, badhakesh is in its own house in 9th. Now, would not that nullify almost all yogas?