Hi,
Here's my birth details. pls help me to know if there's denial of marriage.
30-3-1984 6:25AM Chennai
Thank you.
Denial of Marriage?
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freesoul,
There will be difficulty, obstacles in getting married.
- Sujit
There will be difficulty, obstacles in getting married.
- Sujit
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If you have the right knowledge, EXACT predictions can be made. Astrology is an incredible tool for guidance, and one should take note of the energies of changing dasha lords.
If you have the right knowledge, EXACT predictions can be made. Astrology is an incredible tool for guidance, and one should take note of the energies of changing dasha lords.
@sujit ji, can you pls tell me what kind of obstacles? Will there be a difficulty finding a match or difficulty marrying the match if found?
@vedam ji, I haven't had any break in engagement. Just a promising proposal backed out.
@Lex ji, Would you pls take a look at my chart?
Thank you!
@vedam ji, I haven't had any break in engagement. Just a promising proposal backed out.
@Lex ji, Would you pls take a look at my chart?
Thank you!
7th Cuspal Sublord is Venus -
Venus is in star of Jupiter and in the sub of Mercury
Venus is in occupying 12th house and owner of 3rd and 8th. Jupiter is in venus star, so venus become weak significator of the houses that it occupies and owns.
Jupiter is in 10th house and owns 1st and 10th. Mercury is in 1st house. So Jupiter become full significator of 10th house only. Sublord of Venus is Mercury. Mercury is in 1st house and owns 4th and 7th. Saturn is in 7th house. So Mercury become weak significator of 7th. Starlord of Mercury is Ketu. Ketu is in 8th house. Ketu is in Sign of mars. Mars is in 8th and owns 2nd and 9th. Rahu is in 2nd. So mars is signifying 8th and 9th.
So venus signification
venus as planet - none
starlord jupiter - 10
sublord mercury - 1,4
starlord of sublord ketu - 8, 9
Houses that signifies marriage 7th(primary), 2nd and 11th house(supportive). In some cases 5th and 8th houses are also taken into consideration. However I think in this horoscope, only 8th houses is signified through ketu without any support from any other houses. Star and sub level negative houses of marriage 10 and 1 are appearing.
Also saturn is in 7th houses, causing punarphoo dosha... Overall I think marriage is not destine in this horoscope.
Venus is in star of Jupiter and in the sub of Mercury
Venus is in occupying 12th house and owner of 3rd and 8th. Jupiter is in venus star, so venus become weak significator of the houses that it occupies and owns.
Jupiter is in 10th house and owns 1st and 10th. Mercury is in 1st house. So Jupiter become full significator of 10th house only. Sublord of Venus is Mercury. Mercury is in 1st house and owns 4th and 7th. Saturn is in 7th house. So Mercury become weak significator of 7th. Starlord of Mercury is Ketu. Ketu is in 8th house. Ketu is in Sign of mars. Mars is in 8th and owns 2nd and 9th. Rahu is in 2nd. So mars is signifying 8th and 9th.
So venus signification
venus as planet - none
starlord jupiter - 10
sublord mercury - 1,4
starlord of sublord ketu - 8, 9
Houses that signifies marriage 7th(primary), 2nd and 11th house(supportive). In some cases 5th and 8th houses are also taken into consideration. However I think in this horoscope, only 8th houses is signified through ketu without any support from any other houses. Star and sub level negative houses of marriage 10 and 1 are appearing.
Also saturn is in 7th houses, causing punarphoo dosha... Overall I think marriage is not destine in this horoscope.
Regards,
Kiran Mahyavanshi
Kiran Mahyavanshi
Thank you @kimahy.
I'm Pisces lagna and aquarius moon.
I see few differences in planetary placements in your explanation. My mercury is in 2nd house (aries) and exalted retro Saturn is in 8th house (libra). Whereas Sun is in the 1st house (pisces), Rahu-Ketu in 3-9 axis (Taurus-scorpio).
And yes, Jupiter in its own house 10th (sagg) and Venus in 12th along with moon (aquarius).
I have also verified the time and placements from my handwritten horoscope when I was kid as well as recent system generated one. Can you pls check once again?
Thank you again for your time and effort!
I'm Pisces lagna and aquarius moon.
I see few differences in planetary placements in your explanation. My mercury is in 2nd house (aries) and exalted retro Saturn is in 8th house (libra). Whereas Sun is in the 1st house (pisces), Rahu-Ketu in 3-9 axis (Taurus-scorpio).
And yes, Jupiter in its own house 10th (sagg) and Venus in 12th along with moon (aquarius).
I have also verified the time and placements from my handwritten horoscope when I was kid as well as recent system generated one. Can you pls check once again?
Thank you again for your time and effort!
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joyd
There is a life between sep-9th and oct-19th of 2019.If it miss means Mer-mer-mer[10-10-20 to 27-10-20 and also 3-11-20 to-24-11-20] and mer-mer-venus[1-3-24 to 29-3-24 and also 7-1-25 to 10-1-25] will give marriage.Late marriage seen.saturn in debilitation delaying marriage event.Mer-saturn are marriage giving planets in this chart.These planets under mutual aspect and in 2-12 axis in navamsa.Hence causing the delay in the event but not denying it.
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it will be difficult to get married as ve sa mo connection is there also ve between luminaries also ma with ke
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r u in govt concern/teaching line?
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Marriage before you turn 35 is ruled out for the following reasons -
1) Sun near lagna as the 6th lord for pisces lagna
2) Saturn moves to 7th in chalit chart, also Saturn aspects Mercury who is lord of 7th
3) Exchange of houses between Venus and Saturn fortifies both the planets but places Moon under Saturn effect. This was Mars has to travel all around the horoscope to reach Venus - delayed marriage as per Nadi astrology principles. Saturn influencing Moon this way gives 1 miss on relationship front where you may believe you are on the right track but things do not materialize for some reason. In 2017 you were running Saturn - Rahu, Rahu is in Moon nakshatra and is in Jupiter sub lordship (1 10) so things have played out this way
4) Lagna lord debilitated in D9 chart
Marriage causing planets become Saturn and Mercury primarily followed by Venus. Saturn unable to give marriage in his MD since chart structurally denies timely marriage, hence marriage to happen in Mercury MD which begins in late 2020. Mer - Mer or Mer - Ketu to result in marriage, from transit I see better chances occurring during Mer - Ketu period (around mid of 2024).
Rahu - Ketu are not only exalted but also vargottama in chart. Ketu is with Mars who becomes a big benefic for Pisces lagna and signifies house 2,9. Ketu (2 8 9) is in Saturn nakshatra (7 11 12) and sub lordship of Rahu (2 3
. Mercuty signifies 1,4,7 or 2,4,7 depending on how one casts bhav chalit chart.
However I see some problems in married life which you will need to manage well. Mercury is hemmed between malefics Sun & Rahu. Mars in Scorpio and influenced by Ketu is in Kendra to Venus and Moon making you very assertive and dominating in relationship matters. Lagna lord of D9 going to 4th sign in D9 shows tendency to insist on upper hand in relationship and marriage. Mars placed in 8th house in D9 is the planet that can cause most problems/break in marriage though he is 9th lord in D1.
@ Kimahy - As per JHora I see that 7th Cusp Sub Lord is Ketu who is indicating promise of marriage. How does Venus become sublord of 7th cusp?
1) Sun near lagna as the 6th lord for pisces lagna
2) Saturn moves to 7th in chalit chart, also Saturn aspects Mercury who is lord of 7th
3) Exchange of houses between Venus and Saturn fortifies both the planets but places Moon under Saturn effect. This was Mars has to travel all around the horoscope to reach Venus - delayed marriage as per Nadi astrology principles. Saturn influencing Moon this way gives 1 miss on relationship front where you may believe you are on the right track but things do not materialize for some reason. In 2017 you were running Saturn - Rahu, Rahu is in Moon nakshatra and is in Jupiter sub lordship (1 10) so things have played out this way
4) Lagna lord debilitated in D9 chart
Marriage causing planets become Saturn and Mercury primarily followed by Venus. Saturn unable to give marriage in his MD since chart structurally denies timely marriage, hence marriage to happen in Mercury MD which begins in late 2020. Mer - Mer or Mer - Ketu to result in marriage, from transit I see better chances occurring during Mer - Ketu period (around mid of 2024).
Rahu - Ketu are not only exalted but also vargottama in chart. Ketu is with Mars who becomes a big benefic for Pisces lagna and signifies house 2,9. Ketu (2 8 9) is in Saturn nakshatra (7 11 12) and sub lordship of Rahu (2 3
. Mercuty signifies 1,4,7 or 2,4,7 depending on how one casts bhav chalit chart.However I see some problems in married life which you will need to manage well. Mercury is hemmed between malefics Sun & Rahu. Mars in Scorpio and influenced by Ketu is in Kendra to Venus and Moon making you very assertive and dominating in relationship matters. Lagna lord of D9 going to 4th sign in D9 shows tendency to insist on upper hand in relationship and marriage. Mars placed in 8th house in D9 is the planet that can cause most problems/break in marriage though he is 9th lord in D1.
@ Kimahy - As per JHora I see that 7th Cusp Sub Lord is Ketu who is indicating promise of marriage. How does Venus become sublord of 7th cusp?
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@Joyd, Thank you! I'm glad to know some life is still out there for me. ☺
I have couple of questions-
1) My saturn is exalted and retro in my birth chart. But you have mentioned debilitated saturn is delaying marriage. Are you talking about debilitated saturn in navamsa?
2) In navamsa, saturn is in 4th and mercury in 5th. But why have you mentioned 2-12 axis ?
I'm pretty new to astrology, excuse if my questions are silly and basic. Appreciate your effort and time.
@astro dr anjna, Thank You! Will it be difficult to find a match or difficult to marry if match found?
I'm a classical dancer. I perform as well as teach dance. Dance is my passion, so I have quit my 8 yrs of IT job at US and came back to India to take dance as my full time. Now applying for PhD in classical dance.
@Joyd, Thank you! I'm glad to know some life is still out there for me. ☺
I have couple of questions-
1) My saturn is exalted and retro in my birth chart. But you have mentioned debilitated saturn is delaying marriage. Are you talking about debilitated saturn in navamsa?
2) In navamsa, saturn is in 4th and mercury in 5th. But why have you mentioned 2-12 axis ?
I'm pretty new to astrology, excuse if my questions are silly and basic. Appreciate your effort and time.
@astro dr anjna, Thank You! Will it be difficult to find a match or difficult to marry if match found?
I'm a classical dancer. I perform as well as teach dance. Dance is my passion, so I have quit my 8 yrs of IT job at US and came back to India to take dance as my full time. Now applying for PhD in classical dance.
@sammyho, Thank you for the analysis and explanation.
You said Mars in D9 can cause break in marriage; May I ask which planet can help me to manage well and overcome the issues; which planetary position would help me to suppress Mars effect to reasonable extent and hold the marriage and love?
Truly Appreciate your time and effort!
You said Mars in D9 can cause break in marriage; May I ask which planet can help me to manage well and overcome the issues; which planetary position would help me to suppress Mars effect to reasonable extent and hold the marriage and love?
Truly Appreciate your time and effort!
@freesoul. I have casted KP chart. In this planet position are calculated from Bhav Chalit(Cuspal Chart) and not rasi chart, hence the difference.
@sammyho148 - I dont use Jhora as it is not a KP specific software. I have derived this chart using KPstarone. Maybe you want to check Jhora settings specific's for KP.
Even with Astrosage.com, I'm getting venus as 7th Cuspal Sublord
@sammyho148 - I dont use Jhora as it is not a KP specific software. I have derived this chart using KPstarone. Maybe you want to check Jhora settings specific's for KP.
Even with Astrosage.com, I'm getting venus as 7th Cuspal Sublord
Regards,
Kiran Mahyavanshi
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@ Kimahy
I get what you are saying. I need to change to KP ayanamsa in JHora to a do a KP reading, once I change this 7th cusp sub lord changes to Venus.
Say if the 1,10 combination had not arrived through the 7th cusp sub lord analysis and you had neutral houses coming up (without any of 2 7 11 being signified) - would you have still said marriage denied or does that mean there is possibility of marriage?
I get what you are saying. I need to change to KP ayanamsa in JHora to a do a KP reading, once I change this 7th cusp sub lord changes to Venus.
Say if the 1,10 combination had not arrived through the 7th cusp sub lord analysis and you had neutral houses coming up (without any of 2 7 11 being signified) - would you have still said marriage denied or does that mean there is possibility of marriage?
@jigkoshti, @Sujit, @vedam33, @joyd, @astro dr anjna, @samyho148,
As per your analysis, marriage is not denied in my chart. I came to know sade sati starts for me in Jan 2020. Will this have a negative impact on the possibilities of getting married during this period?
@kimahy, I'm not aware of KP chart. Thank you for explaining.
As per your analysis, marriage is not denied in my chart. I came to know sade sati starts for me in Jan 2020. Will this have a negative impact on the possibilities of getting married during this period?
@kimahy, I'm not aware of KP chart. Thank you for explaining.
@sammyho148...
As per KP reader volume 2 - The planet is the source, constellation(starlord) indicates nature of the result and the sublord is the deciding factor whether the matter is favorable or not.
example - for Marriage -
7th Cuspal Sublord - Mercury
Mercury as a planet - 3
Starlord Sun- 2 5 8
Sublord Jupiter - 6 4 1
In the above example - starlord is signifying the event (2nd house) .Sublord Jupiter is denying the event because of 6 and 1 signification. Event will not materlise.
7th Cuspal Sublord - Mercury
Mercury as a planet - 3
Starlord Sun - 6 4 1
Sublord Jupiter - 2 11
In the above example - starlord is denying the event, but sublord jupiter is signifying 2,11 so marriage will happen.
Mercury as a planet - 3
Starlord Sun - 2 11
Sublord Jupiter - 7 9 4
Here in above example - Starlord and sublord both are signifying positive hosues for marriage 2,7,11 in this case the planet Mercury is strongly signifying marriage event.
Mercury as a planet - 3
Starlord Sun - 2 11
Sublord Jupiter - 3
In the above example - Sublord Jupiter is signifying neutral houses, then the event will happen as starlord sun is signifying marriage related houses. In this case strong Dasa/Bhukti/Anatra is needed for the event to materliaze.
Mercury as a planet - 3
Starlord Sun - 4
Sublord Jupiter - 3
In the above case, marriage will not happen as neither starlord nor sublord is signifying any positive houses.
I go one step ahead and consider starlord of sublord(which is as per 4 step theory). In this if sublord denies the event, however if sublord's starlord signifies the event, then the event will marterlize and vice versa.
Hope the above example helps u.
As per KP reader volume 2 - The planet is the source, constellation(starlord) indicates nature of the result and the sublord is the deciding factor whether the matter is favorable or not.
example - for Marriage -
7th Cuspal Sublord - Mercury
Mercury as a planet - 3
Starlord Sun- 2 5 8
Sublord Jupiter - 6 4 1
In the above example - starlord is signifying the event (2nd house) .Sublord Jupiter is denying the event because of 6 and 1 signification. Event will not materlise.
7th Cuspal Sublord - Mercury
Mercury as a planet - 3
Starlord Sun - 6 4 1
Sublord Jupiter - 2 11
In the above example - starlord is denying the event, but sublord jupiter is signifying 2,11 so marriage will happen.
Mercury as a planet - 3
Starlord Sun - 2 11
Sublord Jupiter - 7 9 4
Here in above example - Starlord and sublord both are signifying positive hosues for marriage 2,7,11 in this case the planet Mercury is strongly signifying marriage event.
Mercury as a planet - 3
Starlord Sun - 2 11
Sublord Jupiter - 3
In the above example - Sublord Jupiter is signifying neutral houses, then the event will happen as starlord sun is signifying marriage related houses. In this case strong Dasa/Bhukti/Anatra is needed for the event to materliaze.
Mercury as a planet - 3
Starlord Sun - 4
Sublord Jupiter - 3
In the above case, marriage will not happen as neither starlord nor sublord is signifying any positive houses.
I go one step ahead and consider starlord of sublord(which is as per 4 step theory). In this if sublord denies the event, however if sublord's starlord signifies the event, then the event will marterlize and vice versa.
Hope the above example helps u.
Regards,
Kiran Mahyavanshi
Kiran Mahyavanshi
freesoul : you really want to get married? Age wise, lot of time gone by. replies from astros are negative, and you said this is first marriage. We cannot deny all this but real question is what do you want?
Mars in ashtam in main chart, Saturn in ashtam in navamsh. Both cause disturbed relations- all type of relation, not just marriage. Sun is in lagna, but is not llord of it (you are not Leo ascn.) THis also not desirable WHY? Becaue it causes ego in your mind. You may not feel or realise , but others see you as egotistic and of course by looking at 7 house, Sun spoils it. Chart by itself is not bad (otherwise you would not be US-return, talented and very smart) but some difficulties are normal .
Lets discuss personality and behavior. Suggestion - try change yourself, modify behavior. Become pleasing and attractive, very desirable. As mercury is lord of 7, you appear intelligent, sharp-minded educated to prospective groom. Buddhijivi. And they ask internally, can I handle her?? I think you should not do PhD now , wait til you get married in the next Mercury dasha. With PhD may be even more difficult. See its called "marrriage market" and you must do clever marketing of yourself. I tried to paint a optimistic , positive picture. Just because more hurdles are there, means more effort needed to overcome.
Pratik
Mars in ashtam in main chart, Saturn in ashtam in navamsh. Both cause disturbed relations- all type of relation, not just marriage. Sun is in lagna, but is not llord of it (you are not Leo ascn.) THis also not desirable WHY? Becaue it causes ego in your mind. You may not feel or realise , but others see you as egotistic and of course by looking at 7 house, Sun spoils it. Chart by itself is not bad (otherwise you would not be US-return, talented and very smart) but some difficulties are normal .
Lets discuss personality and behavior. Suggestion - try change yourself, modify behavior. Become pleasing and attractive, very desirable. As mercury is lord of 7, you appear intelligent, sharp-minded educated to prospective groom. Buddhijivi. And they ask internally, can I handle her?? I think you should not do PhD now , wait til you get married in the next Mercury dasha. With PhD may be even more difficult. See its called "marrriage market" and you must do clever marketing of yourself. I tried to paint a optimistic , positive picture. Just because more hurdles are there, means more effort needed to overcome.
Pratik
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joyd
@fsl-yes in navamsa.count from the planet house to planet house placed not as you count from lagna or moon or sun.
joyd.
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Hello New2Vedic... yes I want to get married. The reason I posted the question is that I want to get married but if the chart denies it, I dont want to get desperate abt getting married and stall my life looking for prospects. That's not going to bring any fruits into my life, may even push me into depression.
Since a promising proposal from 2017 didn't work I have no idea what I can do from my end and that's when I thought May be marriage is not destined for me.
WHY I want to get married? - I feel happy and relaxed when I'm in a relationship and for me marriage is a strong bond that deeply strengthens the relationship.
WHAT will I do if marriage is not destined? - Not everyone gets everything they wish for in their life. Though it's bitter, it IS the truth and I have to accept it.
Like you said I haven't realised I'm egoistic. I never hesitate to ask apologies or initiate a conversation. I do realize I lead life in my own terms but I also realize I had no problem to change them when I liked someone in the past. Anyway, I will try to work on myself if that's going to bring positive changes on relationship front.
Btw my PhD application has been accepted. I'm doing it only to gain in depth knowledge, not to add a degree to my name, not to indicate a peer that I'm smarter in some way than them.
@joyd ji.. Thank you for your explanation. I have to say its amazing to know a chart can be analyzed in so many different ways.
Since a promising proposal from 2017 didn't work I have no idea what I can do from my end and that's when I thought May be marriage is not destined for me.
WHY I want to get married? - I feel happy and relaxed when I'm in a relationship and for me marriage is a strong bond that deeply strengthens the relationship.
WHAT will I do if marriage is not destined? - Not everyone gets everything they wish for in their life. Though it's bitter, it IS the truth and I have to accept it.
Like you said I haven't realised I'm egoistic. I never hesitate to ask apologies or initiate a conversation. I do realize I lead life in my own terms but I also realize I had no problem to change them when I liked someone in the past. Anyway, I will try to work on myself if that's going to bring positive changes on relationship front.
Btw my PhD application has been accepted. I'm doing it only to gain in depth knowledge, not to add a degree to my name, not to indicate a peer that I'm smarter in some way than them.
@joyd ji.. Thank you for your explanation. I have to say its amazing to know a chart can be analyzed in so many different ways.
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joyd
fsl-Your birth thidhis lord is Jupiter. From your 4th he is in 7th and from 7th ,he is in 4th. Your 7th lord mercury also trines such well place Jupiter in your chart. so both love and happiness assured from marriage .such Jupiter is placed in 11th from natural karaka venus[3-11 axis].so it’s good Oman. So via thidhis lord wise too marriage is promised.
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