[quote=Narayan post_id=264658 time=1531930019 user_id=1522]
These all can be understood but then why should one undergo somebody's bad deed of the past that too who belong to a different territory or one who is a stranger. How such a thing be seen? Eating normal food like rice or chapati being made byother person will take karmic backlog of that person? On what basis? Can u please kindly clarify?
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The link between karma and the planets
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Dear Hari
I dont think so it is a circular logic. If it goes on like that, one will keep on harming and will be born again and again, there will be no full stop.
I think it depends on how we react. If we retaliate and react, then may be it may continue but if we say enough is enough, I am paying for my sins and not curse him, then you dont want to take revenge so that stops. If you want revenge and he also wants revenge each thinking of the harm in previous janma there is no full stop.
It is difficult to be polite and calm and not take revenge for majority of people caught up in maya but may be at one stage one will do that to prevent rebirth.
May be it is indicated in his 12th house with ketu there and no drishti on 12th house?
I dont think so it is a circular logic. If it goes on like that, one will keep on harming and will be born again and again, there will be no full stop.
I think it depends on how we react. If we retaliate and react, then may be it may continue but if we say enough is enough, I am paying for my sins and not curse him, then you dont want to take revenge so that stops. If you want revenge and he also wants revenge each thinking of the harm in previous janma there is no full stop.
It is difficult to be polite and calm and not take revenge for majority of people caught up in maya but may be at one stage one will do that to prevent rebirth.
May be it is indicated in his 12th house with ketu there and no drishti on 12th house?
Some people say, it is Ketu in the 12th in Navamsa...
Narayan
Reading some post here via you it seems you are of the feeling that somebody else sin or paap is being transfered to another person and that person in question is doing this for last 23 years and the person on the receiving end is receiving it without there will...all that time...Is this you are telling or something else...
And for the time being till above question is sorted out...regarding karma I wish to say that....we CREATE our OWN karma....creation sustenance and dissolution is our own prerogative....circumstances and people are only the catalyst for US Individuals to give "karma" the desired shape...and this Shape and Form may be only via our own thought construct and viveka or WE Only Modify it(or not) wrt the catalyst being provided.....In both case its free will at work regarding the outcome with the "Ingredients" We choose(and we choose from what we know and have(also including past deeds(our very own))....and knowing spring forth from vivek and tarka what we call sattarka). So in the end its Us only....and no wireless transfer of karma takes place without it being passed by our firewall of our thoughts(and it have many ranges and we itself built it....no one else)....Final responsibilty is OURS...ONLY
Reading some post here via you it seems you are of the feeling that somebody else sin or paap is being transfered to another person and that person in question is doing this for last 23 years and the person on the receiving end is receiving it without there will...all that time...Is this you are telling or something else...
And for the time being till above question is sorted out...regarding karma I wish to say that....we CREATE our OWN karma....creation sustenance and dissolution is our own prerogative....circumstances and people are only the catalyst for US Individuals to give "karma" the desired shape...and this Shape and Form may be only via our own thought construct and viveka or WE Only Modify it(or not) wrt the catalyst being provided.....In both case its free will at work regarding the outcome with the "Ingredients" We choose(and we choose from what we know and have(also including past deeds(our very own))....and knowing spring forth from vivek and tarka what we call sattarka). So in the end its Us only....and no wireless transfer of karma takes place without it being passed by our firewall of our thoughts(and it have many ranges and we itself built it....no one else)....Final responsibilty is OURS...ONLY
Hariji,hari766 wrote: 18 Jul 2018 Narayanji,
We Hindus believe that, if you eat the food cooked by a person, you are eating his karmic backlog. Hence it is insisted that a person in the spiritual line should eat only such food that is cooked by a near and dear relative, like his mother or wife. Nowadays we eat a lot of packaged food, and in addition to the Taamasic inherent tendencies in the food, one never knows what kind of karmas were done by the person who prepared it!
It is not the karma but the vasanas which can be transmitted by food. Getting others vasana does not transfer prarabhdha or sanchita karma. It does affect ones thoughts and hence current/agami karma does get affected.
That's right.... but in Kaliyuga the vasanas are difficult to control....we are well nigh slaves to them.tejomaya wrote: 19 Jul 2018 Hariji,
It is not the karma but the vasanas which can be transmitted by food. Getting others vasana does not transfer prarabhdha or sanchita karma. It does affect ones thoughts and hence current/agami karma does get affected.
Vasanas ate nothing but one's own creation of the past and the present purposefully, creating more and more to be reaped in an unknown future I.e.agami. I don't want problems no matter whatever of my own seed, only want happiness in all births, will rub all my bad seeds on to others always and get things done. 
It's not yuga, it's the mind that matters and the seed in it. Mana Eva manuyshanam Karanam.....
It's not yuga, it's the mind that matters and the seed in it. Mana Eva manuyshanam Karanam.....
You are right. However, with spiritual practice, vasanas can be destroyed - its easier to do that than to deal with prarabhdha karma. Many of the vows or rules followed by sadhakas are to create new vasanas/destroy the old ones. Yama/Niyama of Hatha yoga also help us to not continue with the cycles of action-reaction that karma creates.hari766 wrote: 22 Jul 2018 That's right.... but in Kaliyuga the vasanas are difficult to control....we are well nigh slaves to them.
Joyd:Dev-1-What about undergoing suffering without choice due to others negative karma of the past though the person or his family who is undergoing has nothing to do with the one of the past in any manner./Here a point to note is that, that person and his family is having no wrong doings of the past and he or she has been absolutely taken for or cracked in all respects without any mercy . It is to such extent that their whole family is ruined because of the latter.
How can we confirm that a person/family has not done anything negitive knowingly or unknowingly in the past through the chart ?
just for clarification sake i am asking the above question.can you throw your views on it briefly ?
joyd.
I think there is some connection from the past, otherwise such things wont happen.
When we can talk of attraction between a boy's and girl's horoscopes from the position of mars, venus etc, why not show connection between these two families or two individuals from the two families showing a strong connection. It could be a retaliation for the past deeds.
Can you explain if astrology can help here?
Dear joyd
As far as I am concerned, there is no past relation or past connection whatsoever as I have studied it myself in depth. Only me, I.e. my antaryami, self realized people and gods know it. Not others, I.e. who are in senses. Some family people in the past have done extreme bad karmas in the past and some good family people involving me is undergoing . Naturally it will not happen like that but then it has happened and it still is running on,believe it or not. He is cruelly giving pain and taking on the innocents saying that I do not want bad deed results of the past which he himself has done in the same manner. His mind is cunning as a fox and cruel. He to the society is a very good person though inside, in mind, is totally a different person, a fox, animal related behavior which the society does not know.
As far as I am concerned, there is no past relation or past connection whatsoever as I have studied it myself in depth. Only me, I.e. my antaryami, self realized people and gods know it. Not others, I.e. who are in senses. Some family people in the past have done extreme bad karmas in the past and some good family people involving me is undergoing . Naturally it will not happen like that but then it has happened and it still is running on,believe it or not. He is cruelly giving pain and taking on the innocents saying that I do not want bad deed results of the past which he himself has done in the same manner. His mind is cunning as a fox and cruel. He to the society is a very good person though inside, in mind, is totally a different person, a fox, animal related behavior which the society does not know.
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coffeeday
Dear Narayan ,
some times it happens due to a strong and very powerful curse given by a virtuous soul for a wrong done to that soul and which runs for generations .
some times it happens due to a strong and very powerful curse given by a virtuous soul for a wrong done to that soul and which runs for generations .
Dear coffeeday
The thing is he does not want any punishment whatsoever concerned no matter whatever he does to whomsoever concerned of his own deeds, but then always expects pleasures always in all births. It is not only curse, but there are several bad karmas in the past including cheating, harming several people, looting ones own hard earned money etc..Etc..For ones own selfish gains, but then he is remaining in somebody's place for nearly two decades without undergoing any punishment whatsoever. The house owner where he is remaining and his family has been cruelly taken for.
The thing is he does not want any punishment whatsoever concerned no matter whatever he does to whomsoever concerned of his own deeds, but then always expects pleasures always in all births. It is not only curse, but there are several bad karmas in the past including cheating, harming several people, looting ones own hard earned money etc..Etc..For ones own selfish gains, but then he is remaining in somebody's place for nearly two decades without undergoing any punishment whatsoever. The house owner where he is remaining and his family has been cruelly taken for.
Narayan:
There are several people like this in kaliyuga. We should be very careful to keep satsanga and not be carried away by such people since they would act as a good person, that would be overacting, we should identify that. We get cheated but after experience we need to learn the lesson and get smarter.
There are several people like this in kaliyuga. We should be very careful to keep satsanga and not be carried away by such people since they would act as a good person, that would be overacting, we should identify that. We get cheated but after experience we need to learn the lesson and get smarter.
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coffeeday
Now a days we come across many fake babas , gurus and swamijis and even in ordinary day to day life we come come across many people who cheat us , hurt us and exploit us . surprisingly the more close they are the more they hurt . In some cases even if we realise their nature we can't avoid them due to some obvious reasons . we have to take it in our stride thinking that it is the result of past births' karmic carry forward. Badhaka sthana , badhakadhipathi , planets posited in badhakasthana could give some clue to this .
I would humbly request all respected people to kindly give insights to my humble queries.
Mr. A, Mr.b, Mr.c, Mr.D, Mr E and Mrs. E totally belonging to a different past and territory entering into the place of Mr. F and living in place related to Mr. F without the knowledge of mr. F, who is in no way related to their past. These people have totally cheated Mr. F who is having a pretty good account in the past itself of punya, but then Mr. F is being taken for cruelly along with his family based on somebodys horoscope and these people are running their show. When Mr. F came to know that he is being victiMized for their bad deeds, nearly 22 years have passed by spoiling his life and family by nuts and bolts especially using negative forces. Now it is 23 years 6 months and 20 days.
Here the above Mr a, b, c, d, e and Mrs. E is saying that it will count as punya for Mr. F in the next birth.
In what way it will count as punya for Mr. F can anybody put any insights please as Mr. F is in no way related to any of them as it will be in their respective accounts is I believe at first hand. Secondly, The above mentioned people karmic things have gone to such extent that some getting a human body is going to be difficult. Thirdly, Mr. F has no connection with their karmic accounts and he/she is undergoing everything without choice being victimized without reacting as he/she is a very common human being.
With respect to the above, can anybody put hindsight as to in what way it will be counted as punya for Mr. F?
Mr. A, Mr.b, Mr.c, Mr.D, Mr E and Mrs. E totally belonging to a different past and territory entering into the place of Mr. F and living in place related to Mr. F without the knowledge of mr. F, who is in no way related to their past. These people have totally cheated Mr. F who is having a pretty good account in the past itself of punya, but then Mr. F is being taken for cruelly along with his family based on somebodys horoscope and these people are running their show. When Mr. F came to know that he is being victiMized for their bad deeds, nearly 22 years have passed by spoiling his life and family by nuts and bolts especially using negative forces. Now it is 23 years 6 months and 20 days.
Here the above Mr a, b, c, d, e and Mrs. E is saying that it will count as punya for Mr. F in the next birth.
In what way it will count as punya for Mr. F can anybody put any insights please as Mr. F is in no way related to any of them as it will be in their respective accounts is I believe at first hand. Secondly, The above mentioned people karmic things have gone to such extent that some getting a human body is going to be difficult. Thirdly, Mr. F has no connection with their karmic accounts and he/she is undergoing everything without choice being victimized without reacting as he/she is a very common human being.
With respect to the above, can anybody put hindsight as to in what way it will be counted as punya for Mr. F?
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coffeeday
If a person is wronged with out any fault on his side . the punya of the person who is doing that injustice gets transferred to the person who is being wronged .Matter can never be destroyed , but can be transferred and so the sins of the wronged person go to the wrong doer . This is the law of natural justice. NO body is free from sins because a human birth takes place only when the account has got debits and credits . Even though some one may seem to be an embodiment of virtues , this is not the first birth and definitely not the last one
That person at the time of his birth does not have any punyam at all. He after penance did came to know that he has extreme rahu and ketu doshas of extreme bad deeds from the past itself and he ran away from It into another strangers place without his knowledge to escape from punishment of both materialistic and spiritualustic and rubbed all his bad deeds to that stranger and his family. He with his sanskar of the past birth is hiding and taking on the innocent one or ones. He totally and totally ruined, still contnuing, not even the gods are helping the innocent one or ones.
That person was in store for Punyam had he undergone the bad deed results at his end for at least 40 years without even opening the lips. Moreover, there is no sinful account as of such for the wronged one by gods grace as he is using, abusing, victimizing, controlling, using negative forces and giving pain, using bad mouthing, taking ones own hard earned money, affecting whole gross, giving bad name in society as the gross is only seen to the society people of the third party, trying to make unconscious, disturbing antaryami of another person and so on and on, the list is endless, hard to describe in words. He in fact used all his powers of penance to ruin in all aspects the stranger.
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coffeeday
How does any one know whether a particular person has any punya at the time of birth or not ? How can any one rub all his bad deeds on another ? It is very strange to think like that because it is against the law of divine justice . For every effect there is a cause and every cause has an effect . with out this equation of cause and effect nothing takes place either in the physical plane or metaphysical plane or more definitely in SPIRITUAL PLANE . Rahu and kethu may make one to go through many problems but not this sort of rubbing bad deeds unless the stranger did all that to the native in question . in the past lives .
Based on his horoscope is the first answer and in depth analysis. Yes, it is extremely strange and hardly heard of till date, but it has happened like that and still continuing on.
Asastra vihitham goram.....yaha sasthra visirjya vrathathe......Says githa.
Regards
Asastra vihitham goram.....yaha sasthra visirjya vrathathe......Says githa.
Regards
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coffeeday
Astrology is a divine science .But in this age where human intelligence is tampering with every thing , even that subject also got tampered . Even the best of astrologer's can not said to be perfect in his deductions and interpretations . How can any one deduce that an in depth analysis basing on the data provided is made . Astrology as of now is a science of tendencies and at the most a possibility of certain thing happening could be indicated . Declaring in no uncertain terms that a conclusion is correct is the height of ignorance .
