A peculiar doubt about Shani - please clarify

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Nora wrote: 16 Jul 2018 3. I agree saturn's aspect on venus is there and on 11th as well but somewhere I read that saturn's malefic effects mellows down after one is 35 years. Besides, she is a huge devotee of Hanuman and Shani upasaka. In fact, in one of her discourses she said that both are her sons. So, my point is when there is utmost devotion like this, I'm sure things can go unpredictable (in a good way too)
Saturn's 3rd aspect on a house represents where the native has to put a lot of effort with proper planning to make it happen or make that house function properly. Without effort, the native cannot get gains/results related to that house.

e.g. If Saturn is in 5th house, then, a lot of efforts (physical/mental energy) must be put in
7th house areas - like one to one public/social communications. Native needs to do one to one communication to achieve his/her goals. He/she has to think/focus on every person separately.

Saturn's 10th aspect on a house shows the areas/fields in which the native desires the results/outcomes.

e.g. Mohandas Gandhi ji -
Libra lagna,
Saturn was lord of 4H (country), and 5H (love)
Saturn was in scorpio, a fixed (determined) sign, a soul healing sign, occult sign.
Saturn was in 2nd house (values), indicates he gave much value (love) to his country
Saturn aspected 4th house and 11th houses.
He put his efforts for his own country (4th), and finally achieved his independence (11th) goal. Since Saturn was a benefic planet for Libra lagna, his efforts produced the desired outcome. Moon also got Saturn's 10th aspect with 19° orb. That's why frequently, He had experienced much much mental pain.

The statement - 'effects mellows down after one is 35 years' - is wrong
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Spirituality and devotion always give good results.
Nora wrote: 18 Jul 2018 So, my point is when there is utmost devotion like this, I'm sure things can go unpredictable (in a good way too)
Correct.
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Thanks for the detailed explanation Astrostar...I shall read it up...what about the aspect of Jupiter and Mars( Yogakaraka) on Saturn? It's good right? It takes away the malice of Saturn to a large extent at least on the 5th house

And waiting for your replies for the remaining 2 questions thanks in advance

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Nora-It Looks odd that everyone mis-understood the saturns role in our lives.one should not forget the stanch truth about saturn. He is the only one that gives spirituality,meta physical things to us.He gives viraktha nature.His aspects on houses means a lot.Think on it deeply. saturn teaches lessons.Very rarely [with other planets-PAC's]he bestows material comforts. saturns palced drekkona in chart decides the benific pereoids /malefic pereoids in saturns 19 years maha dasa.

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Yup Joyd Ji I agree that none is like Shani.
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I'm glad that I born when Moon is in Saturn's constellation Pushyami. In my birth chart Saturn is in Aquarius 8th from Cancer Moon. Saturn as 10th, 11th lord exalted in 7th in Paraashara Drushti Kona (D-3) chart. But its dispositor Venus is debilitated in 6th. But not in Somanatha D-3 :P :lol: . My entire Saturn dasha was terrible! It was more than 16 & half years after balancing. Saturn thought me so many lessons!
Saturn is indeed great

Shani is known as Karma phala daata!
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Yes spirit...he is the karma phala daataa...I' was hooked to the serial on TV and the kid who played Shani is adorable

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Nora wrote: 16 Jul 2018 4. Regarding donations you said 2nd lord sun is in 8th I agree but he is aspecting his own house (end house) won't this guarantee some kind of wealth? Also, some expert in this forum said that parivartana yoga is seen in Navamsa and in Rahu and Guru antaras around 2024-2028 will be the time she'll receive donations from abroad too. Do you not think that this prediction is valid?
A house gets weakened if aspected by malefic planets, or if natural or functional malefic planets are situated in it. A house gets weakened if its lord is posited in 8 or 12 house from lagna. If house lord is strong, then automatically, its house gets strength.

Sun lord of 2nd, in 8th house means, Sun's position is not good, and so the house is weakened.
But, Sun 8th lord is connected to 6th house, according to KP system. So getting donations is in her fate.

2nd house degrees are 9°. Mercury, 3rd lord, is closely aspecting this 2H.
In navamsa chart, Mercury 9th lord, is in 3rd house with Rahu.
3rd house means help. Mercury with Rahu indicates foreign help.

In Sign chart, Rahu is in 9th house. Rahu represents Jupiter, lord of 6th.
So Rahu sub-period will be good for getting donations.

I cannot say the above prediction is invalid.
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Good explanation Astrostar...thanks...now just one last question remaining...this native is teaching yoga/meditation/spirituality etc..and ok perhaps donations etc are seen in her chart...but my question is will her future career be in service to God/humanity/spirituality?

Because the native has a PhD in psychology subject (due to Mercury in 8th and 12th moon?), speaks several languages (probably due to Mercury in 8th and Mars and Saturn connection?) , worked in hospital (also moon in 12th confirms this?)...so, it could be that she may take up a regular job based on her previous qualifications right? we were told that she has renounced her qualifications and is doing service to God from age 27 or something but I'm wondering if this is going to be the young woman's career for the next 50 years? So, does her D10 chart show anything relating to spiritual career?

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Nora wrote: 13 Jul 2018 Hi all

I've met a bunch of astrologers who are split in their views about the following statement

"In Shani Mahadasha, out of 19 years, Shani gives bad effects for first half (9.5 years) and gives good effects for second half (remaining 9.5 years)"

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Dr BV Raman in his "Autobiography of a Vedic Astrologer" writes that, if Saturn is a yoga karaka from chandra lagna, he will give good effects for the first half of his dasha (irrespective of lagna) and bad effects in the second half. He says it is as per a dictum, but doesn't go into the details.
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Hi Hari that's interesting is it possible to see the yogakaraka of Chandra lagna in JHora? Can you pls guide me to see it?

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Spiritual career -

spiritual houses - 4,8,12
interest - 5H
mental inclination (natural tendency to act/feel) - 3H
belief - 9H
career/path - 10H
service - 6H
self-involvement = 1H
achievement - 1,11 houses
spiritual practice - order of importance - Jupiter, Saturn, Ketu
emotional devotion - Moon, Neptune, Venus
additional support - personal planets - Sun, Moon, Merc, Venus

Chart interpretation -

5, 10 lord Mars in Aries -
Planets in Aries, show a karma with self, personality karma, a character karma, an identity karma, etc.

Ketu in 3H (mental concentration), aspected by Jupiter -
would show a karma with the mind, psychological karma, natural inclination to spirituality, etc.

Saturn in 5H -
karma related to yoga, meditation, creativity, healing, etc.
aspecting 11H - karma related to groups, friends, goals, directions, etc.

Sun (soul) in 8H -
karma related to transformations, etc.

Rahu (obsession) in 9H -
karma related to philosophy, freedom, religion, justice, travel, sharing of knowledge, preaching, etc.

Moon in 12 -
karma related to fighting with the secret enemies of mankind; etc.

yes. Planets are related to spiritual path in her chart.
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Nora wrote: 24 Jul 2018 Hi Hari that's interesting is it possible to see the yogakaraka of Chandra lagna in JHora? Can you pls guide me to see it?

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I have not seen yoga karakas listed in Jhora. Perhaps I am mistaken, as it is very versatile and I have not gone through many of it's options yet. If I come across anything in Jhora, I will let you know.
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Ok Hari...I think it's listed in the yogas on Jhora.

It lists all yogas and yogakaraka too in the description of the yogas.

But for Chandra lagna we have to do mnual calculation or it shows for that also? I think we must select moon in the drop down list for lagna. Right?

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Thanks astrostar and Joyd ji
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