The link between karma and the planets

[Narayan]

Dear Anupamji:


Thanks a lot for your good heart and for your kind help. You have given me an answer what I was looking for....So, thanks a lot.

One more thing, I have never ever seen a person like you in my life time...especially an astrological person being so profound on himself and looking and doing things after remaining on yourselves. Indeed you are a great soul!

Thanks, thanks, and thanks.

Narayan

[sachinwadhwa]

Respected Anupam ji,

1.

“However, logically Rama appears to be the incarnation of Rudra, the guru of Ravana.”

Interesting statement! Lord Shiva did come down to bhuloka as Hanuman to support the divine mission of protecting people from atrocities which Ravana may be doing in 3 lokas. Alternatively, we can also say that guru had come down as Hanuman to support the teaching of additional knowledge by vishnu to his pupil, which I think Ravana eventually did on his death bed. So he learnt it by paying for his life.

Also, when we say Vishnu = Shiva = Brahma and they are part of Ananta Parmatma, what difference will it make on whether Shiva comes or Vishnu comes. After all they are the same. Also, when a boon is given by god himself in one form (Shiva), the other form (Vishnu) will not overwrite it. However, when the good deeds are exhausted and the divine protection is gone, then parmatma (whose job is to balance good and bad) will do the balance. Example, Lord Krishna waited for shishupal to complete his 100 mistakes and once the boon was over, Krishna killed Shishu pal.
To ensure that this bhuloka continues to exist, Vishnu is responsible in a way to balance out the good and the bad. So Vishnu came down to bholka to fulfill his responsibility.

2.

We say Vishnu is Dashavtaar. Can you please provide any insight on the 10th avatar of Vishnu? I knew till 8th in form of lord Krishna and learnt from you about the 9th avatar as Ramakrishna Paramhansa.

Regards

[lovacrs]

Dear Rajithaji,

[quote]There are many miracles that happened in Mahabharat.
Draupadi getting the saree when she was disrobed is by Lord Krishna.

The birth of Pandavas through the grace of different Gods is a miracle.

Krishna holding the mountain with his little finger as a child is a miracle. [/quote]

Sri Krishna coming to the rescue of Draupadi the way it is described is certainly super human. But my fundamental question is right at that time there would have been hundreds and thousands of Draupadi's being disrobed by bad men around the World. Protecting the honour of a woman can very well have been done by any of God's agent. For e.g, if HE had commanded, could Bheeshma not have prevented this?

While all other epics sound like management (by GOD) by exception, only Mahabharath sounds like direct management.

Sri Krishna had no role to play in birth of Pandavaas. As for Goverdhan parvat, I certainly agree. My questions were limited to the Mahabharath part.

CRS

[sachinwadhwa]

Respected Anupam ji,

1.
“Now things are seeming to be believable for me again which I accepted with some reluctance on my part till date.”

I think you edited your previous post to include this sentence. We would love to know what makes you shed your reluctance and start believing again.

2.
“He must surpass all the incarnations of all the previous yugas because the demand of the energy would be very high. We can refer him only god instead of Avatar.”

I think I haven’t understood the meaning of “what kind of God appears at the end of kalpa when he has to wind up all the human karmas of all the previous yugas”. According to our discussions, Ananta parmeshwar is divine energy. Every avatar (or incarnation) comes down to bhuloka with amount of energy required to strike a balance. If this is end of 4 yugas, then the amount of energy required may be multiple folds than any other avatar in the past. End of the day it would still be part of Ananta parmatma like any other previous ones. What quantum of energy will decide whether we call the divine energy as god or an incarnation?

3.
“When I say go inside it does not mean to go and start searching god as if we are locating some missing thing lying hidden. In all reality I mean to say understand yourself what you are and how this present personality came into being. Like someone can be doctor, the other can be engineer, scientist etc. etc. “
“Locate the reason of everything by taking into consideration the laws of these creation.”

On physical plane, when we try to do it we are unable to reach to the correct conclusion. It is only through divine guidance we can reach to the right conclusion.
For example, say a person is facing a challenge in achieving something. On physical plane, we may think that this is due bad karmas of previous birth or current birth. However, on spiritual plane, we may have a different conclusion based on seeing the past karmic births and pattern. Once we come out of the illusion created by maya only then we can reach to the correct conclusion.
We can understand the law of creation through meditation and belief in god. Please correct me if I haven't understood it correctly.

Regards

[sachinwadhwa]

Respected Anupam ji,

1.
Who are Brahma Rakshas? How many of them? 1 Brahma raksha = 18 crore gods. Are Rakshas manifested in Human form? When God is coming in human form then I guess the raksha would also be in human form.

2.
“He has taken a new decision. But when he took it? 5 years back?????”

I don’t think so. It would have been an observation for entire kalpa. However, towards the end if god does not fix it, the world would become unmanageable mess. So he wants to fix it to start afresh. The coming Kalpas would be better than this one.

Regards

[sachinwadhwa]

Respected Anupam ji,

“That was what he wanted to convey as his gravest blunder. But god did blunder that was the thing which put me at my wits end but as the theory goes form cannot be without deficiency in one way or the other.”

1. Soul has a free will to do what it wants, based on the thoughts / desires originating from them.
2. A Brahma raksha in kali yuga would obviously have negative thoughts creating problems for all other souls, making others life worst.
3. Parmatma’s has the supreme authority on any other thought, as souls / Brahma raksha have originated from his very thought.

Based on the above points, I would like to say that, in Kali yuga, the dharma is at its lowest level which means Adharma at its highest level. It's impact on the free will of the souls is that the souls also get a tendency for materialistic desires at any cost. If an ordinary soul can get such a negative tendency, imagine what can a Brahma raksha do. To me Brahma Raksha is a store house of negative energy.

Positive side of Brahma raksha thought is that though Ravana was a Brahma raksha, he eventually reached to a much better spiritual level through gradual progression. Also, one more positive side is that Braham Rakshasas are also worshipped like Kal Bhairava. So Brahma raksha has both positive and negative sides. Therefore, the Brahma raksha concept was not a blunder at inception of thought. The thought could have been to balance both positive and negative energy and have souls travel / experience both energies.

In my personal opinion (physical plane), god could have avoided it "Na Bhuto Na Bhavishayati", provided he would have shown his desire to fix the imbalance when the indicator started tilting on a negative side, as compared to today’s state where eventually things have become worst.

Like parents allow their children to roam freely in the house and do what they want to do, similarly god would have allowed souls / Rakshasas to do things based on their free will. Now, like children do the mess at home, similarly souls / Rakshasas have created a mess in this world. Once the parents(God) sees it, they do the cleaning and scold / punish the children (souls / Rakshasas). That’s all. So I won’t term it as a blunder and think more like wait and watch situation for God before he takes a decision to manifest. If he would have taken a decision earlier, then he would have send an avatar.

Eventually, it is his will and like always I bow my head in front of the omnipresent master.

Regards

[Narayan]

Dear Anupamji:

"He will do everything whatever you have written. That is only I can say very precisely. He has given me some evidences as well that he can do them all but of course on subtle level just to make me confirm."

Were you talking about Sathya Sai Baba in Puttaparthi?

Om Sai Ram

Narayanan

[Narayan]

Dear Anupamji:

It sounds very strange to me. In fact, very very strange to me. Can't understand the "yet" to appear God?? Bhagavata says about Kalki only, but that will happen at the end of Kalpa only is what Bhagavata says. I mean Kaliyuga is to be of 4,35,000 human years of which only near to 5000 years is over. Still, an amazing whopping years are present ahead. We are only in the first pada of Kali yuga.

So, you are saying that God will be coming down to earth, that also in India? If so, when is your intution saying it will happen? It is going to happen in 2012? Anupamji, are you pinpointing "Baba" as a Guru only? Does he not serve this mankind universally? So if Baba is not God, do you think that just human persons can just talk and be practical about pure love? Nobody can do things which Baba does and Baba is expecting nothing in favor. He has helped human kind a lot which the others Gurus have not done.

Om Sai Ram

Regards


Narayanan

[Narayan]

Maheshji:

"But, at the right moment, suddenly He may get inspired (some thing like enter or awaken) in some one of His choice and also takes some followers".

Please kindly understand "He never takes any followers nor he is interested in anyone following him." But he is here only for the poor souls like all of us who are trapped in the world of Samsara dont knowing where to swim. It can be called "It is actually we follow him, rather than he following you." He always gives right steps towards right direction to reach the ultimate goal of human life, that's all. Moreover, he takes a form just to restructure rightness and dharma.

When you are ardently calling upon him with true bhakti and devotion, he is answering through your prayers and he confirms your belief and stands by you, that's all. "It does not mean he takes followers."

This is what even Lord Krishna does when he is about to start back his journey to Vaikunta after leaving his mortal body once his purpose is over here in this earth. Then, Uddhava, an ardent and a great great devotee of Lord Krishna, starts crying that he cannot live with him and he cannot go alone to Vaikunta. It is then the Lord himself adores his true bhakti towards him and consoles him and also gives the "Tatvopadesha" in Bhagvatham of 11th Adhyayam. The world, its nature, and so on....

Om Sai Ram

Regards,

Narayanan

[Caliber]

Dear All learned members,

I love what Anupamji says.

In my humble opinion, God will not be born as a human. God is neither he nor she. I do believe God took Human avatar's earlier. Now in this era of Technology, God does not have time to start life from child hood.

When I see a ocean wave, I do see God in it. For me a TSunami is God.

If you see the pattern in the past year or so, lot of bad is happenning. It could be ELNino effects. No rains in Iraq, floods in Vietnam, a village submerged in Taiwan due to Typhoon. Several earth quakes in Indonesia. Drought in India, Floods in Andhra. Millions of forest acreage burnt in California.

I do not know if what Mayan preached about Dec 21, 2012 will happen or not, but several changes are taking place now. I do not believe World will end on Dec 21, 2012.

God bless you all.. Srini

[moksha line]

It is easy to say that our karma decides the placement of the planets in our horoscope but who is deciding the karma?? At this point we again stuck in the vicious circle. As we know karma emanates from gunas and these gunas are being affected continuously by planets to prod us to do a specific karma only to retribute us further on. It is all so enigmatic and seem to be a quite confused hypothecation.

Okay somebody may say that our first karma made all the hell broke loose but the question remains who decided the first karma of mine naturally planets because I have had under their influence all the time as soon as I came upon this earth. This is complete predestination without any space for my will at all. At this stage it is a harsh truth that karma or destiny nothing is in my hands. The wheel goes on on its own. That was why our sages were able to forsee the future for coming thousands of years.

So, till the time we do not try to go beyond the planets we end up to nothing. So, rather discussing why planets are here in a specific position it will be more prudent to think about our very innate nature which is different individual to individual. Once we understand this innate nature then only we can understand the mystery of karma and destiny and these planets. Before that everything is fixed like an immoveable rock. So, in nutshell planets are deciding karmas and karmas are again deciding the position of planets in every horoscope. This is vicious circle nothing else.

This is so true!

[moksha line]

My SIL and my wife are a big enigma to me. It is very obvious that God meant something bad to my wife. Both of them born in the same house - one very beautiful, fortunate, wealthy, lucky, etc. She has Jupiter in her 2nd house(Sagittarius) and is running Jupiter dasha !!!!!
As expected, she is minting money. Whatever she touches becomes gold.

But, she is always scheming and trying to bring down my wife in every possible way, etc. Even her parents favour her more compared to my wife.

My wife is exactly opposite. She has to fight and struggle for every simple thing but she is very kind and innocent and never even dreams of anything wrong to anyone. She has KSD in her horoscope.

So, assuming my SIL had good karma from last life and my wife had bad karma, it is tough to believe this since I presume that the basic character of a person carries over from one life to another.

Another example is my mother who struggled all her life for everything and believe me and I am not biased, she has not done anything wrong but helped everyone in her life.

And, where does the present karma take over?

Kindly clear my confusion on this.

Rajitha,

I think I have an answer to your confusion. Just by seeing the character traits of your wife and your SIL it can be said who is a more advanced soul, i.e., who has more good karmas to her credit. Someone with a good nature, like your wife's, must be a more advanced soul than someone with a nature like your SIL's. Now, the point is, why is your wife suffering more than your SIL? Well, the reason is, your wife has chosen to suffer more in this life so as to wipe out her negative karmas faster, i.e., suffer more than is due to her, as her goal is attaining moksha. Your SIL on the other hand being a less advanced soul has no hurry in wiping out more bad karmas than what is due to her in this life as her goal is enjoying the luxuries that her good karmas of her previous life has to offer and not attaining moksha. It's not my own theory, but something I have read in a book that sometimes advanced souls bring more suffering on themselves than it's due, just to speed up their cycle of birth and rebirth, in order to get moksha early. The same applies to your mother's case: she is more interested in speeding up the cycle of her birth and rebirth and attaining moksha than enjoying this present life.

So, suffering more also means clearing more of one's negative karmas? Can you explain more on this?

[moksha line]

Rajita Ji,

I used to be highly violent and arrogant in my previous births but today I am not but of course deep inside some traces are still there. I used to be highly expressive and vocal but today I am just opposite so character changes birth by birth according to circumstances and experiences but basics never change they just change their external manifestation. Like a butcher of past births becomes surgeon when he evolutes. Today I am highly sensitive about self respect and do not endure a single derogatary remarks towards me but I have also learned to respect everybody also no matter what is his age. So, basics are there but they have refined. My root of violence inspired me today to stand for a weak that is what I have done so many times.

In nutshell, if I used to be very ruthless in my past births I change when I confront the same cruelity towards me. This change stops me to do bad karma again and then the retribution of past gone ages started coming to me in fragments because they are already ripe and want to be exhausted to clear them off completely for giving me a fresh start again to move on in more advanced direction.

I gave the example of Vimalananda here how he was being tortured mentally by his foster daughter terribly but he adopted the measure of non reaction because according to him every karma follows you for seven births. Since seven births he was murdering this lady and now in this birth the same pattern was repeating to force him to murder her again. He knew that it was his seventh birth relates with this karmic pattern and he has to break it anyhow unless he has to die at her hands for coming 7 births again. Someone has to break this pattern unless wheel goes on moving unabatedly. So, a murderer has become Aghori in this birth and was dealing with wine,non-vegetarian food and woman to get realisation. So, you see basic never changes. His all characteristics took him on the path of tantra when he evoluted.

So, today if I am being spiritual it does not mean that I was a sadhu or very good man in all of my past births. I could be womaniser or mere drunkard but when the time goes by I may refine this pattern and will come on tantra path. Then all of my remaining karmas will start exhausting themselves as they used to be in the past but in the past I exhausted them and recollect them again due to my ignorance. Today I am just clearing them off instead of collecting them again. That is the big difference.

If you want to read some good books to understand what really spirituality is I may suggest you two books. Conversations with God by Neale part 1 and second one is Aghora which is nothing but the autobiography of an Aghori with a pseudo name Vimalananda. It is written by an American, Robert svoboda, who was just like a disciple of this man. Robert svoboda is a very well known personality in USA.

I am getting the books to read

[moksha line]

Mahesh Ji,

I cant tell you the when this yuga will end. I am just joining all the threads what that relative of mine got in his readings and what I got 4 years back. Both are echoing same things. So, there must be some meaning attached to it. I got the information in 2007 that soon the world start going to change after 5 years now Rajita ji told me during that time that 2012 is a world wide phenomena. Frankly speaking I did not know anything about this 2012 phenomena in 2007 it was only after Rajita ji told me that I searched it on the net and found startling informations. So, there was nothing in my sub conscious region when I got the information about 2012. It also confirms that there is something ahead which we don't know.

As far as future is concerned if you can understand the past why not future births can be foretold. But who will confirm that just like past births cannot be confirmed. As I told many a time here that I predicted future just by seeing the past so future births also can be predicted. But the future of this birth can be validated but not the future births because we have nothing to demonstrate. If I tell someone by seeing his karmas that he has no next birth how I can prove that. It will be a futile exercise. So, it is better to experiement with the future of this present birth and be sure that in the same way future births can also be predicted.

My question is this - Can we tell whether this is the last birth of a person by looking at a person's horoscope?

[krishnapb]

@moksha line; book: "Past Life Astrology: use your Birthchart to understand your Karma" by JUDY HALL " throughs life on this

If you want to know abt Vimalanada u can read Law of Karma by Robert Svoboda

[krishnapb]

@moksha line; book: "Past Life Astrology: use your Birthchart to understand your Karma" by JUDY HALL " throughs life on this

If you want to know abt Vimalanada u can read Law of Karma by Robert Svoboda

[hari766]

There are lots of insights in this thread, hence I am pinging for further inputs...

[Narayan]

What about undergoing suffering without choice due to others negative karma of the past though the person or his family who is undergoing has nothing to do with the one of the past in any manner. Have anyone heard about it till date. Usually everybody will have their cake only. The person who undergoes others negative deed though has a relatively good account of punya bala from the past but then he or she and his or her family has been victimized due to the mindset of the papi as he or she does not want to undergo bad accounted result.

Here a point to note is that, that person and his family is having no wrong doings of the past and he or she has been absolutely taken for or cracked in all respects without any mercy . It is to such extent that their whole family is ruined because of the latter.

How can it be seen?

Expecting your kind reply

Narayanan

[joyd]

Dev-1-What about undergoing suffering without choice due to others negative karma of the past though the person or his family who is undergoing has nothing to do with the one of the past in any manner./Here a point to note is that, that person and his family is having no wrong doings of the past and he or she has been absolutely taken for or cracked in all respects without any mercy . It is to such extent that their whole family is ruined because of the latter.

How can we confirm that a person/family has not done anything negitive knowingly or unknowingly in the past through the chart ?

just for clarification sake i am asking the above question.can you throw your views on it briefly ?

joyd.

[Dev]

Narayanan
You talk of suffering without choice due to others negative karma of the past.
It is possible you did not do anything to him at all in this birth but probably you caused him pain in previous janmas. Otherwise why would he cause such pain to you without you committing sins now or hurting him?
I have tried to help some and they in reply cheated back. This too I have to take it in that manner. We may be OK now but we know not much about the past.

Dev

[Narayan]

Dear dev

This person totally is a stranger to me and my family who is totally unconnected in the past, I am very sure about it. As told earlier it is selfish bound as he does not want to undergo his own bad deeds of the past birth. He is of the opinion that he wants always pleasures or happiness in all births always no matter whatever sins he or she does. He always wants his bad deeds to be undergone by a stranger or others but alwpays expects only happiness in all births.

This is mainly with regard to me but then he plays with my family members also for the last 23years and five months saying his own explanations and versions.

[hari766]

Narayanan
You talk of suffering without choice due to others negative karma of the past.
It is possible you did not do anything to him at all in this birth but probably you caused him pain in previous janmas. Otherwise why would he cause such pain to you without you committing sins now or hurting him?
I have tried to help some and they in reply cheated back. This too I have to take it in that manner. We may be OK now but we know not much about the past.

Dev

Dev ji

This looks like a circular logic. I cause pain to you in this janma, because you caused me pain in a previous janma, because I caused pain to you in the janma previous to that, because...........

[hari766]

Narayanji,
We Hindus believe that, if you eat the food cooked by a person, you are eating his karmic backlog. Hence it is insisted that a person in the spiritual line should eat only such food that is cooked by a near and dear relative, like his mother or wife. Nowadays we eat a lot of packaged food, and in addition to the Taamasic inherent tendencies in the food, one never knows what kind of karmas were done by the person who prepared it!

[Narayan]

These all can be understood but then why should one undergo somebody's bad deed of the past that too who belong to a different territory or one who is a stranger. How such a thing be seen? Eating normal food like rice or chapati being made byother person will take karmic backlog of that person?How?I don't think so.

[Narayan]

it's always donts or forbidden things which brings karmic backlog i.e. bad or negative karma. If somebody has undergone somebody's fortune, it's that much only can be seen pertaining to that nature, nothing more than that, for that time period. But in this scenario, somebody entering into somebody's territory, that too a stranger and talKing and doing all kind of nonsenses, including harming, virtually killing that person without killing and influencing his family and society and saying everything is correct is something I can't understand. I have never ever heard about nonsenses ever in history, I.e. undergoing sinful deeds of others and taken for.