Hi Learned Members
I believe I found this Yoga under Wikipedia section on Raja Yogas.
To get the full benefits of a natural benefic in the Ascendant, the said natural benefic must be conjuncting ANY PLANET WHETHER NATURAL BENEFIC OR NATURAL MALEFIC.
I have Venus conjuncting Rahu in the Ascendant. Yes, I do have opportune moments to enjoy Venusian staff like the arts and jewelry.
Best Regards
Mac Khoo Hock Leong
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Hi Learned Khoo,
Wikipedia is not a source unless its citing a real text.
But assuming it is a real Yog, always know that if a text is talking about another "planet" then that planet is never a node. Because Rahu-Ketu are not planets, they are shadow-planets. The text will specifically mention if Rahu-Ketu can be considered. If its not mentioned then by default they are not considered.
This is Astrology 101.
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Wikipedia is not a source unless its citing a real text.
But assuming it is a real Yog, always know that if a text is talking about another "planet" then that planet is never a node. Because Rahu-Ketu are not planets, they are shadow-planets. The text will specifically mention if Rahu-Ketu can be considered. If its not mentioned then by default they are not considered.
This is Astrology 101.
Thank you
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For Wikipedia, they invite writers who are specialised in their areas to write including anything pertaining to Vedic culture. So I believe the writer has reference to scriptures in his mind, although the soutce is not revealed because the writing style is casual to cater for the general layman.
The other point you make did cross my mind.
Anyway I always consider during the node's dasa, the node would masquerade as the ruler of the sign in which it is in. So precepts like these when it talks about any planet, it still works for a node.
Unless the dictum is specfic about each planet on certain stance, like digbala for various planets, then you cannot drag in the node as they assume different planets in different signs, and they are placed in different signs in different charts.
The other point you make did cross my mind.
Anyway I always consider during the node's dasa, the node would masquerade as the ruler of the sign in which it is in. So precepts like these when it talks about any planet, it still works for a node.
Unless the dictum is specfic about each planet on certain stance, like digbala for various planets, then you cannot drag in the node as they assume different planets in different signs, and they are placed in different signs in different charts.
In soft subjects one should be very wary taking reference from unknown sources. Even if the source claims they are using learned members, one must get the actual reference. This is because we all know how people are making up their own rules and interpretations of actual texts. This is why a major chunk of Internet Astrological articles are useless (and potentially harmful).
But like I said earlier such Yogas need a real planet to form. A node conjunct a planet may give what you said you are getting (ornaments etc.) but that is not the Yog that was cited. Its something else.
But like I said earlier such Yogas need a real planet to form. A node conjunct a planet may give what you said you are getting (ornaments etc.) but that is not the Yog that was cited. Its something else.
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Khoo it is funny to read and apply wiki yogas.They are not at all dependable ones.A native having jupiter-saturn in his ascendent still in sevier struggles till date.where the wiki yoga working here?BPHS mentioned that rahu+venus conjunction will leads to association with a washer woman and one haunted by spirits or such native prone to suicides..please dont depend on them..
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There are a couple of reasons why the good effects is related to my Venus in the Ascendant with Rahu. They can be separated into two categories, one related to the subject of the thread and one related to the conventional Parasara dictum.
Category related to the subject of the thread
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The main yoga is as stated in the Wikipedia.
When we make a prayer to the planets, we do so for all NINE planets. So we should respect Rahu and Ketu as full fledge planets. So like I mention earlier, if the Yoga does not name a specific planet, Rahu and Ketu should also be considered.
Barrack Obama has Jupiter+Saturn in the Ascendant. He did well, although there are some specific other factors which make his pair of planets do well as well, like Jupiter receiving a Neecha Bhanga from Saturn. Jupiter is also retrogade making it exceedingly strong (although the Neecha Bhanga may have cancel out the good effects somewhat - here there are actually two cancellation effects, one Neecha Bhanga and one retrogade which may dampen each other). Jupiter is also digbala and Saturn in its own sign.
Venus+Rahu is good in certain houses just like Mars+Rahu. Venus+Rahu is good in the 1st house.
Venus and/or Jupiter are best placed in the 1st, Most seasoned astrologers admit that including Nikhil and a member from this blog (forgot her name but she has a salutation of Dr.). An ancient king has BOTH Venus and Jupiter in the 1st, making him exceedingly rich.
The Ascendant is a place of effort and general fortune. If given even a modicum of good luck with a natural benefic there, the person is able to tap on the good fortune and use it to his advantage if there is also another planet conjuncting it. The second planet acts as a tool.
Category related to Conventional Parasara Astrology
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A node in a kendra, if conjuncting a planet ruling a kendra/kona, gives Raja Yoga. If the planet is in its own sign or exalted, the effect is more powerful (this second point is not from Parasara but from Shilpa experience). And of course if a Yogakaraka is aspecting this pair of planets, it becomes exceedingly good.
Something About Suicidal Tendencies (Add in the Last Minute)
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See the link below.
http://jyotish.ws/wisdom/happiness.html
I have a lot of factors pertaining to happiness.
Brihat Jataka - Jupiter aspects the Moon in Navamsa - will enjoy happiness and long life
Sankata Nidhi -
If the 4th lord is in the 1st house, the native will be learned and happy throughout his life.
If the 4th lord is in an angle or trine, with strength, then happiness is sure to exist for the native. For this point, one must look at the position of the 4th lord in D-30 and D-9. Venus is exalted in Pisces in the 11th in D-30. Venus is in Libra in its own sign in 3rd in Navamsa PLUS Venus is mainly aspected by its friends.
(Mercury and Saturn) via the square aspect.
My Venus+Rahu in 1st is a Raja Yoga (as explained earlier) aspected by Mars, the Yogakaraka (as explained earlier). Mars also equates with happiness (see below).
Brihat Jataka - Jupiter in Aquarius
Sanketa Nidhi - Mars=happiness and Mars is a Yogakara for a Cancer Ascendant
Saravelli -
Moon in the 2nd house in my Navamsa gives happiness, money and friends
Moon conjunct Venus in the 1st house gives great happiness - my Venus is in Cancer in the 1st, aspected by the Moon directly
I am a person full of happiness......I love what life is offering me.
Best Regards
Mac Khoo Hock Leong
Category related to the subject of the thread
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The main yoga is as stated in the Wikipedia.
When we make a prayer to the planets, we do so for all NINE planets. So we should respect Rahu and Ketu as full fledge planets. So like I mention earlier, if the Yoga does not name a specific planet, Rahu and Ketu should also be considered.
Barrack Obama has Jupiter+Saturn in the Ascendant. He did well, although there are some specific other factors which make his pair of planets do well as well, like Jupiter receiving a Neecha Bhanga from Saturn. Jupiter is also retrogade making it exceedingly strong (although the Neecha Bhanga may have cancel out the good effects somewhat - here there are actually two cancellation effects, one Neecha Bhanga and one retrogade which may dampen each other). Jupiter is also digbala and Saturn in its own sign.
Venus+Rahu is good in certain houses just like Mars+Rahu. Venus+Rahu is good in the 1st house.
Venus and/or Jupiter are best placed in the 1st, Most seasoned astrologers admit that including Nikhil and a member from this blog (forgot her name but she has a salutation of Dr.). An ancient king has BOTH Venus and Jupiter in the 1st, making him exceedingly rich.
The Ascendant is a place of effort and general fortune. If given even a modicum of good luck with a natural benefic there, the person is able to tap on the good fortune and use it to his advantage if there is also another planet conjuncting it. The second planet acts as a tool.
Category related to Conventional Parasara Astrology
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A node in a kendra, if conjuncting a planet ruling a kendra/kona, gives Raja Yoga. If the planet is in its own sign or exalted, the effect is more powerful (this second point is not from Parasara but from Shilpa experience). And of course if a Yogakaraka is aspecting this pair of planets, it becomes exceedingly good.
Something About Suicidal Tendencies (Add in the Last Minute)
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See the link below.
http://jyotish.ws/wisdom/happiness.html
I have a lot of factors pertaining to happiness.
Brihat Jataka - Jupiter aspects the Moon in Navamsa - will enjoy happiness and long life
Sankata Nidhi -
If the 4th lord is in the 1st house, the native will be learned and happy throughout his life.
If the 4th lord is in an angle or trine, with strength, then happiness is sure to exist for the native. For this point, one must look at the position of the 4th lord in D-30 and D-9. Venus is exalted in Pisces in the 11th in D-30. Venus is in Libra in its own sign in 3rd in Navamsa PLUS Venus is mainly aspected by its friends.
(Mercury and Saturn) via the square aspect.
My Venus+Rahu in 1st is a Raja Yoga (as explained earlier) aspected by Mars, the Yogakaraka (as explained earlier). Mars also equates with happiness (see below).
Brihat Jataka - Jupiter in Aquarius
Sanketa Nidhi - Mars=happiness and Mars is a Yogakara for a Cancer Ascendant
Saravelli -
Moon in the 2nd house in my Navamsa gives happiness, money and friends
Moon conjunct Venus in the 1st house gives great happiness - my Venus is in Cancer in the 1st, aspected by the Moon directly
I am a person full of happiness......I love what life is offering me.
Best Regards
Mac Khoo Hock Leong
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Two other factors of happiness related to dashas :
Brihat Jataka - If at the start of any planet's dasha or bhukti the Moon is in Sagittarius or Pisces - honour, wealth and happiness will come.
In the start of my Saturn dasha, the Moon was in Pisces.
Sarvalli - Moon in Gemini = happiness
This is a more general dictum and it applies regardless of which dasha is operating. Hence we can apply it also when a dasha is operating and the Moon is in Gemini (ie. a general main dictum applying to a specific condition which covers the salient points of the general main dictum).
In the start of my Jupiter bhukti, the Moon was in Gemini.
Best Regards
Mac Khoo Hock Leong
Brihat Jataka - If at the start of any planet's dasha or bhukti the Moon is in Sagittarius or Pisces - honour, wealth and happiness will come.
In the start of my Saturn dasha, the Moon was in Pisces.
Sarvalli - Moon in Gemini = happiness
This is a more general dictum and it applies regardless of which dasha is operating. Hence we can apply it also when a dasha is operating and the Moon is in Gemini (ie. a general main dictum applying to a specific condition which covers the salient points of the general main dictum).
In the start of my Jupiter bhukti, the Moon was in Gemini.
Best Regards
Mac Khoo Hock Leong
Mac 
If you want to believe that Rahu-Ketu should be considered then you can do so. But the texts are clear on on the principle. Rahu-Ketu need to be specifically mentioned if they are to participate in a Yog. That's Astrology 101 for you.
If you want to believe that Rahu-Ketu should be considered then you can do so. But the texts are clear on on the principle. Rahu-Ketu need to be specifically mentioned if they are to participate in a Yog. That's Astrology 101 for you.
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Ok, the 7 principal planets exclude Rahu and Ketu.
But my Venus + Rahu is still a Raja Yoga for the yoga that specifically mention the nodes as discussed above.
But my Venus + Rahu is still a Raja Yoga for the yoga that specifically mention the nodes as discussed above.
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On the other hand, if the yoga talks about malefics (and not planets), Rahu and Ketu are automatically included, and they then must be specifically excluded.
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Dear Khoo please provide your birth details.
ategory related to Conventional Parasara Astrology
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A node in a kendra, if conjuncting a planet ruling a kendra/kona, gives Raja Yoga. If the planet is in its own sign or exalted, the effect is more powerful (this second point is not from Parasara but from Shilpa experience). And of course if a Yogakaraka is aspecting this pair of planets, it becomes exceedingly good.
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just read this-
Lord Rama has 5 exalted planets too.Leave that aside.Tell me what happens if lord of the 4th house exalted in any chart/what is your prediction?
coming to own house point-
i studied IAS and taken charge as collector. I will be respected when i'm out side my house[own house]i.e in my office or in public or in some meetings only but for my family i am an ordinary father -husband-grand father and so on only i am not a collector at my home.Try to apply this to a planet which sits in his own house.
If a planet aspects his own house its said to be good not a planet in his/her own house.
Regarding the experience point of view-one should apply or use any astrological principle at least on 50 charts and then say,it is my tested experience and not on few charts..
Last but not least,try to avoid analysing your own and family members charts.It gives a wrong prediction always..
regards/joyd
ategory related to Conventional Parasara Astrology
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A node in a kendra, if conjuncting a planet ruling a kendra/kona, gives Raja Yoga. If the planet is in its own sign or exalted, the effect is more powerful (this second point is not from Parasara but from Shilpa experience). And of course if a Yogakaraka is aspecting this pair of planets, it becomes exceedingly good.
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just read this-
Lord Rama has 5 exalted planets too.Leave that aside.Tell me what happens if lord of the 4th house exalted in any chart/what is your prediction?
coming to own house point-
i studied IAS and taken charge as collector. I will be respected when i'm out side my house[own house]i.e in my office or in public or in some meetings only but for my family i am an ordinary father -husband-grand father and so on only i am not a collector at my home.Try to apply this to a planet which sits in his own house.
If a planet aspects his own house its said to be good not a planet in his/her own house.
Regarding the experience point of view-one should apply or use any astrological principle at least on 50 charts and then say,it is my tested experience and not on few charts..
Last but not least,try to avoid analysing your own and family members charts.It gives a wrong prediction always..
regards/joyd
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I forgot to mention also from the list above from Saravalli which
I have :
The planet conjuncting the Moon would bestow complete happiness. In my case it is Saturn.
I have :
The planet conjuncting the Moon would bestow complete happiness. In my case it is Saturn.
But you also forgot that Moon is in sleeping state because its in an inimical sign + Lajjit avastha because of being with Saturn + Vikala (crippled) because of being with a malefic + Kshudita because of being with Saturn. The Houses, occupied by a Planet in Kshudhita are destroyed. Not to mention Moon is in child avastha. All this is directly from BPHS.
You can check the sub-states to see the quantification but why do that when we can talk our way around it.
You can check the sub-states to see the quantification but why do that when we can talk our way around it.
A node in Kendra[1,4,7,10] conjunct or aspected by a Trilone Lord[ 1, 5, 9] is a Rajyoga. A node in trikone[1,5,9] conjunct or aspected by Kendra lord[ 1, 4,7,10] is a Rajyoga. Lagna is both Kendra and Trikone.A node in a kendra, if conjuncting a planet ruling a kendra/kona, gives Raja Yoga. If the planet is in its own sign or exalted, the effect is more powerful (this second point is not from Parasara but from Shilpa experience). And of course if a Yogakaraka is aspecting this pair of planets, it becomes exceedingly good.
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just read this-
A person should not be too honest. Straight trees are cut first and honest people are screwed first.
“Reasoning with a drunkard is like
Going under water with a torch to seek for a drowning man.”
“Reasoning with a drunkard is like
Going under water with a torch to seek for a drowning man.”
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joyd
No just mere conjunction and aspect of a trine or kendra lord or node never gives Raja yoga.For a rajayoga these planets must aspected by a another[third] kendra or kona lord.such rajayoga formed by the aspect of another kendra lord is more powerful than a kona lord.Wise astrologers who knows the inherent nature of a kendra and kona can easily guess the cause for it.we are ignoring the basics and fundamentals in astrology always.I am once again stressed in giving rajayogas ,the involvement of another kendra or kona lords help is must without any doubt..
regards/joyd
regards/joyd
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No just mere conjunction and aspect of a trine or kendra lord or node never gives Raja yoga.For a rajayoga these planets must aspected by a another[third] kendra or kona lord.such rajayoga formed by the aspect of another kendra lord is more powerful than a kona lord.Wise astrologers who knows the inherent nature of a kendra and kona can easily guess the cause for it.we are ignoring the basics and fundamentals in astrology always.I am once again stressed in giving rajayogas ,the involvement of another kendra or kona lords help is must without any doubt..
regards/joyd
A person should not be too honest. Straight trees are cut first and honest people are screwed first.
“Reasoning with a drunkard is like
Going under water with a torch to seek for a drowning man.”
“Reasoning with a drunkard is like
Going under water with a torch to seek for a drowning man.”
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joyd
coming to your point reg nodes.They never give rajayoga as you stated in our classic but they just give only good results.Nodes are not involved in any kind of rajayogas.Nodes capable of giving very good results independently[not rajayogas again].If it is correct look at Aries ascendent once.
Aries-If ketu combines either with moon[5th lord] or venus in kendras or in kona's gives the worst results.
Gemini-In such combination only rahu dasa gives good results but the planet conjunct with Rahu gives the reverse affect and totally smashes the native in his dasa./ketu venus conjunction gives very bad results.
Cancer-Rahu-moon combo in kendra-konas gives bad results.
Only few examples are given here.The rest one can judge with their concentration..
regards/joyd
Aries-If ketu combines either with moon[5th lord] or venus in kendras or in kona's gives the worst results.
Gemini-In such combination only rahu dasa gives good results but the planet conjunct with Rahu gives the reverse affect and totally smashes the native in his dasa./ketu venus conjunction gives very bad results.
Cancer-Rahu-moon combo in kendra-konas gives bad results.
Only few examples are given here.The rest one can judge with their concentration..
regards/joyd
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coming to your point reg nodes.They never give rajayoga as you stated in our classic but they just give only good results.Nodes are not involved in any kind of rajayogas.Nodes capable of giving very good results independently[not rajayogas again].If it is correct look at Aries ascendent once.
Aries-If ketu combines either with moon[5th lord] or venus in kendras or in kona's gives the worst results.
Gemini-In such combination only rahu dasa gives good results but the planet conjunct with Rahu gives the reverse affect and totally smashes the native in his dasa./ketu venus conjunction gives very bad results.
Cancer-Rahu-moon combo in kendra-konas gives bad results.
Only few examples are given here.The rest one can judge with their concentration..
regards/joyd
A person should not be too honest. Straight trees are cut first and honest people are screwed first.
“Reasoning with a drunkard is like
Going under water with a torch to seek for a drowning man.”
“Reasoning with a drunkard is like
Going under water with a torch to seek for a drowning man.”
Joyd,
Nodes do give rajyogas. I remember at least two rajyogas from classical texts that requires a node to be either in 4th house or in 6th house while certain planets are in certain positions. So they are involved in not only raj yogas but all kinds of yogas.
Nodes do give rajyogas. I remember at least two rajyogas from classical texts that requires a node to be either in 4th house or in 6th house while certain planets are in certain positions. So they are involved in not only raj yogas but all kinds of yogas.
Can anyone please tell me the rationale behind the bold statement?
I just want to arrive upon how the raj yoga actuates.
Thanks,
I just want to arrive upon how the raj yoga actuates.
Thanks,
joyd wrote: 07 Sep 2017 Dear Khoo please provide your birth details.
Category related to Conventional Parasara Astrology
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A node in a kendra, if conjuncting a planet ruling a kendra/kona, gives Raja Yoga. If the planet is in its own sign or exalted, the effect is more powerful (this second point is not from Parasara but from Shilpa experience). And of course if a Yogakaraka is aspecting this pair of planets, it becomes exceedingly good.
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regards/joyd
Man can do whatever he wills, but he can never will what he wills.
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Joyd,
Nodes do give rajyogas. I remember at least two rajyogas from classical texts that requires a node to be either in 4th house or in 6th house while certain planets are in certain positions. So they are involved in not only raj yogas but all kinds of yogas.
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Happy to read your answer.what i request you first is-please define the actual meaning of 1-raja yoga/2-yoga- and an/3- ordinary yoga.If you can find any rajayoga given by nodes,please post its details. i feel still the above mentioned 3 categories of yogas have indepth meaning.First define them in your angle.once again i am confident that nodes cant give rajayogas.THEY ARE BEST IN GIVING good yogas and ordinary yogas.
please try to post those two rajayogas from classical texts that requires a node to be either in 4th house or in 6th house while certain planets are in certain positions. i mean either you can mention the classic name-sloka number or you can post those texts directly here in this thread sir..
regards/joyd
Joyd,
Nodes do give rajyogas. I remember at least two rajyogas from classical texts that requires a node to be either in 4th house or in 6th house while certain planets are in certain positions. So they are involved in not only raj yogas but all kinds of yogas.
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Happy to read your answer.what i request you first is-please define the actual meaning of 1-raja yoga/2-yoga- and an/3- ordinary yoga.If you can find any rajayoga given by nodes,please post its details. i feel still the above mentioned 3 categories of yogas have indepth meaning.First define them in your angle.once again i am confident that nodes cant give rajayogas.THEY ARE BEST IN GIVING good yogas and ordinary yogas.
please try to post those two rajayogas from classical texts that requires a node to be either in 4th house or in 6th house while certain planets are in certain positions. i mean either you can mention the classic name-sloka number or you can post those texts directly here in this thread sir..
regards/joyd
1. If a node is in 6th or 8th while Venus is in Lagna, an excellent raj yog is formed.
2. If 4th house has a node and Lagna has Sun, Mercury and Venus the native obtains unobstructed welfare and vast lands with wealth.
3. If the depositors of Moon, Jupiter, Venus and Rahu are in kendras from Moon or Lagna, the native will be blessed with learning, wealth and numerous attendants.
4. The native will enjoy a supreme position if Venus and Rahu are in 7th house and are Vargottam.
At least some of the above are Raj yogas.
Yogas (all kinds) that need a node to form are scattered across many a text.
2. If 4th house has a node and Lagna has Sun, Mercury and Venus the native obtains unobstructed welfare and vast lands with wealth.
3. If the depositors of Moon, Jupiter, Venus and Rahu are in kendras from Moon or Lagna, the native will be blessed with learning, wealth and numerous attendants.
4. The native will enjoy a supreme position if Venus and Rahu are in 7th house and are Vargottam.
At least some of the above are Raj yogas.
Yogas (all kinds) that need a node to form are scattered across many a text.
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rathore..
you are not given the answer for my first thing in my rply to you.
"what i request you first is-please define the actual meaning of 1-raja yoga/2-yoga- and an/3- ordinary yoga?" After your reply for this question ,i will respond very clearly and deeply on your latest reply on rajayogas that you are mentioned.
regards/joyd
you are not given the answer for my first thing in my rply to you.
"what i request you first is-please define the actual meaning of 1-raja yoga/2-yoga- and an/3- ordinary yoga?" After your reply for this question ,i will respond very clearly and deeply on your latest reply on rajayogas that you are mentioned.
regards/joyd
