Vargas are NOT to be read as Rashi

[ChandraLagna]

Anuradha -

As an admin, I have deleted personalized references made by both you, and another poster, right in this thread. However, as any other student of astrology, I have my views, which I have expressed earlier in this thread and elsewhere.

As a student of astrology, I have one question to ask, and this for the third time, so hopefully you have an answer. This is in the spirit of discussing astrology, not as a moderator compromising neutrality.

Assume Jupiter at Aries 29 deg and Moon at 11 Deg taurus, i.e. they are 12 deg away. Hence moon and Jupiter form Shakata yoga.

Now in Navamsa Jupiter gets placed in Sagittarius navamsa and Moon in Aries navamsa, so now in Navamsa "chart", Jupiter aspects Moon via 5th drishti.

But in reality, there is one jupiter, one moon and now you are claiming that jupiter is casting aspect 12 deg away.

If this aspect of 12 deg in zodiac, or rasi cannot happen, then Jupiter cannot aspect Moon in Navamsa "chart". Simple. Please find any flaw in this simple math and dont quote any texts or University professors.

[anuradha]

Mr Moderator, Please see the references I provided if they do not say regarding the aspect in navmansha? Kindly reconfirm from the owner of site. In Indian system we take the aspect in all divisional charts. At least you should read those references.

[ChandraLagna]

No, they do not. Out of about 50 ancient and medieval texts on astrology, there is little controversy on signs, planets, aspects, yogas, karakatwas, etc, and there is one obscure sloka which is mis-translated and this is the authoritative reference on aspects in Navamsa!? Sorry, does not fly.

Please answer the math question above.

[anuradha]

I do not want to reply you biased views. Ask Mr Paul why he is using aspect in D-9. Please give the proof that it is mistranslated.

[rathore]

Anuradha ji, It doesn't matter what you assume about my views. It doesn't matter what Ramchandra says. The rubber hits the road when one gets it translated for themselves. Maybe you are just scared to find out?

Lex ji, yes no point in debating with ignorants but this thread is making sure that more people are aware to not follow bigger ignorants and therefore apply their own brain.

So here is something for any reader with any views to process:

It was Saturday in a native's dasamsa with Amavasya tithi because the Moon was combust in dasamsa. In Drekkana it was Purnima tithi and Hora had Chaturdasi. Maas, Nakshatra and Vara were also pretty much different across each Varga 'chart'.
(Principle broken: There is only one Tithi, Maas, Nakshatra etc. and not separate Tithis, Maas etc. in D charts)

Both luminaries were aspected by a 'Direct' Saturn being 7th from Sun.
(Principle broken: Planets cannot be in direct motion in seventh from Sun)

In Drekkana planets were jumping five signs at a time but their aspects were not jumping 5 signs.
(If aspects were relevant in D3 shouldn't they too jump by 5 signs? Principle broken: Common sense).

Any many more ....

[anuradha]

Post by rathore » 03 Sep 2017, 22:22

Anuradha ji, It doesn't matter what you assume about my views. It doesn't matter what Ramchandra says. The rubber hits the road when one gets it translated for themselves. Maybe you are just scared to find out?

Lex ji, yes no point in debating with ignorants but this thread is making sure that more people are aware to not follow bigger ignorants and therefore apply their own brain.

So here is something for any reader with any views to process:

It was Saturday in a native's dasamsa with Amavasya tithi because the Moon was combust in dasamsa. In Drekkana it was Purnima tithi and Hora had Chaturdasi. Maas, Nakshatra and Vara were also pretty much different across each Varga 'chart'.
(Principle broken: There is only one Tithi, Maas, Nakshatra etc. and not separate Tithis, Maas etc. in D charts)

Both luminaries were aspected by a 'Direct' Saturn being 7th from Sun.
(Principle broken: Planets cannot be in direct motion in seventh from Sun)

In Drekkana planets were jumping five signs at a time but their aspects were not jumping 5 signs.
(If aspects were relevant in D3 shouldn't they too jump by 5 signs? Principle broken: Common sense).

Any many more ....

True ignorant . I am happy to be ignorant with K.N.R, PVR, Ranchandra Pandey, Madhkant Jha.

[ChandraLagna]

@ Anuradha - I am asking you, why you use aspects in navamsa. How is my math biased? Is it not elementary math?

Convince me that there is indeed 12 deg aspect of Jupiter and we'll talk about similar examples in D3, D4, D6, D10, D30, D60, D150 till we reach a point that a planet ultimately casts aspects right from 1 deg all the way to any degree we want to. One just has to take the right divisional and the planet will cast aspect at that degree.

[rathore]

[quote=anuradha] True ignorant . I am happy to be ignorant with K.N.R, PVR, Ranchandra Pandey, Madhkant Jha.
[/quote]

Yes that's all I am saying.
Just make sure you start using PVR's PP Ayanamsa now. He also uses conditional dashas in Divisions, so you can latch onto that as well. Because you know that's just amazing.

[anuradha]

Please give just one correct prediction here

[rathore]

Please solve just one simple mathematical riddle given by ChandraLagna.

[Nitin21]

So here is something for any reader with any views to process:

It was Saturday in a native's dasamsa with Amavasya tithi because the Moon was combust in dasamsa. In Drekkana it was Purnima tithi and Hora had Chaturdasi. Maas, Nakshatra and Vara were also pretty much different across each Varga 'chart'.
(Principle broken: There is only one Tithi, Maas, Nakshatra etc. and not separate Tithis, Maas etc. in D charts)

Both luminaries were aspected by a 'Direct' Saturn being 7th from Sun.
(Principle broken: Planets cannot be in direct motion in seventh from Sun)

In Drekkana planets were jumping five signs at a time but their aspects were not jumping 5 signs.
(If aspects were relevant in D3 shouldn't they too jump by 5 signs? Principle broken: Common sense).

Any many more ....

There you go with logic rathoreji. loved reading your contents

[anuradha]

Irrelevant , just lobbying

[rathore]

You can think of it as lobbying but really the world is an amazing place and it puts people in their place sooner or later. And that is exactly what is happening here.

Maths anyone?

[anuradha]

Truth do not require the support of a moderator et al. Please show you art of prediction

[rathore]

Please show your mathematical skills. Show your 'asking someone about a translation' skill and lastly show your 'call the Venkateshwar' press skill. These skills are much easier, you know. Just saying.

I don't want to rain on your prediction parade but now that you keep repeating yourself I shall state this publicly: Many a members have shared with you (YES YOU) real charts but imaginary events. And lo and behold you explained them away as if they were real events. LOL

[anuradha]

don't want to rain on your prediction parade but now that you keep repeating yourself I shall state this publicly: Many a members have shared with you (YES YOU) real charts but imaginary events. And lo and behold you explained them away as if they were real events. LOL

Funny so you take the feedback from them Just dare to predict not delete the predicted part

Please show your mathematical skills. Show your 'asking someone about a translation' skill and lastly show your 'call the Venkateshwar' press skill. These skills are much easier, you know. Just saying

Imaginary book

[rathore]

Funny you did the D 'chart' dance and explained away imaginary events on real charts. Not kidding, that happened with you EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.

Just like how someone very knowledgeable explained away Sachin's life with the wrong birth chart.

The above cases are not just failed predictions anymore, they raise questions on the very validity of the person explaining things away. Someone can show them Trump's chart one day and say why is this person so poor and they will explain it away. Another day, some chart but asking them: why is this person so rich? And they shall explain it away. In their mind they will be convinced in both predictions. That's the level of ignorance these clowns are at.

Call the Venkateshwar press using a keypad. Oh wait, you are not good with Math so you wouldn't know how to dial. My mistake. Carry on.

[anuradha]

Just like how someone very knowledgeable explained away Sachin's life with the wrong birth chart.

The above cases are not just failed predictions anymore, they raise questions on the very validity of the person explaining things away. Someone can show them Trump's chart one day and say why is this person so poor and they will explain it away. Another day, some chart but asking them: why is this person so rich? And they shall explain it away. In their mind they will be convinced in both predictions. That's the level of ignorance these clowns are at.

Call the Venkateshwar press using a keypad. Oh wait, you are not good with Math so you wouldn't know how to dial. My mistake. Carry on.
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It requires the good heart to respect the senior person like Sh K.N Raoji[who will be 86 years old next month] even if he used the incorrect chart in case of Sachin. I understand you fully now when you try to make mockery of him. It requires a good upbringing to respect the elders. Best way to be hundred percent correct in predicting is not to predict . If given any prediction delete it later .

Re: Saturn MD - in own 11H
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Post by Caliber » 31 Aug 2017, 09:39

You are 100% correct Anuradha ji. Hopefully no more changes. I can't afford any more changes.

Imaginary feedback

[rathore]

Let's not get into who respects who because we all know how respectful you are. So let's not get into upbringing.

Keep doing your tukkabaazi with explaining away wrong events on correct charts. That is just plain awesome. And keep making unwarranted remarks about me. Love that you made a mockery out of yourself in public. Sorry it happened through my hands.

[tylorechandra]

This does not look like a serious discussion forum where thoughts are shared and analysed with an open mind.

TKC

[anuradha]

Re: Vargas are NOT to be read as Rashi
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Post by rathore » 04 Sep 2017, 07:15

Let's not get into who respects who because we all know how respectful you are. So let's not get into upbringing.

Keep doing your tukkabaazi with explaining away wrong events on correct charts. That is just plain awesome. And keep making unwarranted remarks about me. Love that you made a mockery out of yourself in public. Sorry it happened through my hands.
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Commentators keep doing that and player do not mind

[anuradha]

Yes, 3.33 degrees in the physical plane (rasi) are mapped to 30 degrees in navamsa. But, once you are seeing navamsa, it is silly to consider it as 3.33 degrees. It is now 30 degrees.

As 3 deg 20 min Aries to 6 deg 40 min Aries is mapped to Taurus, will one say that Taurus has a length of 3 deg 20 min? It still has 30 degrees.

Don't conflate degrees in rasi and divisions.

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Narasimha
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[tylorechandra]

That is precisely the point I tried to make when I wrote about perceptual changes needed and to view the aspects as relating to amsas of planets rather than the planets themselves. Good there is at least one person with an open mind here.

In any case, and this is just as a casual information, I use aspects in Vargas in my consultancies sine I believe in my own perceptions.

TKC

[rathore]

Haha you mind or you don't mind, you are the laughing stock

Good you are writing to PVR. Please tell him to come to this thread and defend his response. I will put him in his place as well, for that non-sensical response.

Lol where do these make believe concepts of 3 degrees 20 minutes mapped to 30 degrees come from?
I guess that means every Varga is running a different Panchang. The same planet can be direct in D1 but retro in D9. Trimsama "chart" never gets to Eclipse as the nodes are together. Apply some elementary thought dude.

[anuradha]

In any case, and this is just as a casual information, I use aspects in Vargas in my consultancies sine I believe in my own perceptions.

TKC

Please do not share this otherwise people here will attack you to change your perception.And call you a tukkebaaz.