Decode Brihaspati for me please! Anyone?

[Dhanusimha]

Disapproved again for lack of birth details. Appears I do not have permission to upload charts in .png .jpeg format? Or do I? Apologies to moderator. Newbie here.
Trying again with details as insisted, in written form

Date of Birth 8th Jan 1988, Gender - Male
Time : 6:23:23 am (Indian standard time)
Place coordinates
Latitude 20 : 42 : N
Longitude 86 : 47 : E

If you care to look at the chart. Jupiter has a prominent placement and carries a lot of designation with it. Namely, it's "Lagnesh", placed in Kendra and own house(pisces, Revati 4) in lagna chart while being "Atmakaraka". Now, Pisces also happen to be the "Arudha" lagna. Hence, Arudha lagna lord is also Jupiter.
Looking at the Navamsa Jupiter repeats it's position in Pisces. Hence "Vargottama" as well as that makes pisces "swamsa" and "karakamsa" in D9 and D1 respectively. Therefore, the lord of Karakamsa is Jupiter as well!
Key words associated with Jupiter are Lagnesh, Arudha Lagnesh (placed in AL), Karakamsa lord (placed in karakamsa), Atmakaraka, Vargottama=

Coming to questions
#1. When Atmakaraka is in Arudha. Is not it a contradictory placement? Atmakaraka represent my the purpose of the soul and hence the reason of rebirth. A true obscure self that needs to be confronted by the native. Whereas the Arudha is a facade. Based on popular perception of the native which might not be true.
#2. What's the point of Jupiter being so prominent in the chart with so many designations (and hordes of yogas and dosha) when I'm most probably not going to live through the Brihaspati MD? Is it like someone with all potential but unfortunate enough to not manifest it?
#3. It's about a Yoga named "Kalpadruma" yoga. In my awkward looking chart, Jupiter seems to be single handedly fulfilling all the necessary criteria! Is it possible/applicable?
Your kind participation in any of the 3 questions or in any further input will be most appreciated. Thanks

[Dr Neeraj]

Dear DS
Here are my observations:
1. Arudh means the maya associated with that house i.e. how other people will perceive the native. So AK in Arudh is ok, there are no contradictions.
2. First of all, why you feel you wont live upto the age of 64 (Jup MD will start then)?
With vargottam LL there are every chances that you'll live by then
Secondly, Every chart indicate the sum total of karma of a native in all lives lived so far. So in reality its not the chart for this birth (as people believe it) rather it indicate the patterns / tendencies the native has shown in previous life times.
The dasha pattern indicate the lessons that need to be learnt by native in present birth.
Where do you see anomaly in this entire system?
3. There are many yogas from Moon (Kemdrum is one of that) which give results on mental plane only. From your questions it seems such yogas are manifested properly in ur chart

Plz do not worry. Your chart is quite ok. Learn the lessons happily for which you have taken birth for and thank HIM in every situation.

God bless you
Neeraj

[Dhanusimha]

Thank you! Particularly the 2nd paragraph entirely validates the laws of karma in vedic astrology. Thank you for opening another window for me to look at the world in astrological perspective.

I have kemadruma and I'm aware of its manifestation in my life and fortunately I am able to embrace it as an essential yoga to carry on with life. However, I'm not sure if you wrote that to me about "Kalpadruma" for its not a moon related yoga specifically (or is it?) . From what I read, Kalpadruma or (Parijata?) Is when dispositor of Lagnesh is in own house and Kendra in both Lagna and Navamsa. In my case the dispositor of Lagnesh Jupiter is Jupiter himself (as Jupiter is in pisces) and is placed in Kendra (4th bhava) and again is in own rashi in Navamsa. No other planets are involved. I hope I have put it forth clearly this time.

[neelkumar]

in reality, jupiter is usually a spoilsport in charts in general..but by stubborn and petty astrologers, jupiter is portrayed as a saviour/shubh planet, because it makes their task of throwing darts in the dark easier and befool the native!

[Dhanusimha]

I can't comment on Jupiter being a spoil sport in General. I hardly have jyothish experience as you guys.
But it certainly does look like a spoiler in my chart. In a recent few conversations with some other learned members, I realized its also in Gandanta. I was initially skeptical to assume that Gandanta alone can do the damage but when I look back to 14/15th Aug 2015, the day I can certainly term as the black day of my lifetime, apart from expected AD PD of both the marakas, interestingly Jupiter in transit was exactly conjunct my natal moon that day!
Concept of AK is again misconstrued as beneficial and same goes for Vargottama. AK pays back the karma. (If it were really so good, you would not get rebirth in the first place, AK basically signifies spiritual failures of a soul aka sins) and Vargottama AK ensures the reddening of cheeks post slapping fest, lasts really long (sunny deols dhai kilo ka haath)
In one sentence, I must have been a real, I mean REAL pest in my last birth

[vedicmaths]

hi dhanusimha,

Moola dasa is used to understand the impact of soul level experience in the present life.
Irrespective of the basic nature of the planet, the past holds and punishes the soul , mostly
during its period.

In your case, jupiter dasa ran from jan - 2007 to jan 2014. You can see moola dasa in "other dasas"
tab in jhora.

There are some more tight links during the period you have mentioned above. tr.Moon was in exact 8th
from your natal Sun, tr.Sun was in exact kendra from natal jupiter as well as opposite to natal venus.

You may note Venus is in exact eleventh from your natal jupiter, which is your Ak. Eleventh is a strong
argala. Venus has certainly played its worst part by intervening in the affairs of the soul through relationships.
The 3/11 placement of these planets in rasi get transposed to 1/7 in navamsa. The 7th house from any rasi
happens to be the dwara through which one has to interact with the world. So this placement compels the AK
to undergo its life experiences through a deblitated venus placed in " down to earth " earthy sign virgo.

How to come out of this ? I know it is easier said than done... You have to bring in a total change in the way
you move with the outside world... once again this would pressure on the soul refusing to budge... the more
the refusal, the more the willingness of the AK to undergo its past deeds.

truly,
vedicmaths

[neelkumar]

Hi Dhanusimha,

First thing's first - don't say you might have been a pest in past life - just blame it on Jupiter. And also, I don't quite believe in past life or reincarnation et al stuff - it that were true, there wouldn't have been population increase - rather a constant number of souls and just recycling happening. For me to believe in something, science needs to be in it and not anything abstract. Even if I am to go with recycling - the souls would have be scattered and inter-mixed so much that it would have been impossible to find the essence of how it was in previous life!

Now, coming back to Jupiter - one interesting thing that I have experienced is that the real Jupiter (how villainous it can be) will only come to fore, during it's own Jupiter Mahadasha. It might camouflage itself during Antardashas, or PDs, giving the impression to mediocre astrologers and the naive masses that Jupiter is good.

I have always maintained that if your preceding 2 Mahadashas - that's Mars MD, and especially Rahu MD have been 'moreorless' good, then be prepared for a devastating Jupiter Mahadasha.

Finally, Rahu, Ketu, Saturn, and the conveniently-so-called-natural-malefics may give bad results but then you can recover from those with time and effort..but..if Jupiter hits you, the damage is permanent - no recovery.

My sympathies to all who are having or had or will have a bad Jupiter Mahadasha.

[Dhanusimha]

Hi Neel,
Good point regarding population increase and intermixing of soul and not believing in it. That entirely deem the basic philosophy of astrology as invalid, for you.
Science through the first law of thermodynamics also says that "matter or energy can neither be created nor be destroyed, hence the sum total of matter or energy ever existed or shall ever exist in future is constant".
And since we discussing an esoteric matter, where we are talking about things like Soul (which is invalidated again by science) , we must acknowledge that soul neither has a gender nor a genus. Again existence of soul outside an organism, need not stay as an individual. (The concept of soul pool, and our very own romantic soul mate, twin flame theory or matches are made in heaven cliche. In simpler philosophical language, our actions are largely in sync with people we love)

Perhaps that explains how it is possible theoretically. Since I can not give you a practical demonstration, my Saturn agrees with you, while I do not.
Science resembles the description of Saturn. Skeptical, logical and with boundaries everywhere. Expansion is based on proven traditional knowledge, which is hard to shake off. There is no existence of belief, faith, intuition.
On a side note - I somehow intuitively feel (I am not arguing over it, it's merely an intuitive idea ) that all these planetary alignments represent our own unique genetic combinations.
And lastly,
I did not blame anything on Jupiter nor do I categorize any planet as good or bad, I consider them emotionless entities who do what they are supposed to do.
Regards

[Dhanusimha]

Hi again Vedicmaths sir! How are you doing?
I love your way of describing simplest yet most important concepts of astrology in a vivid way! Like 7th being the door of soul.
I agree that I need a complete overhaul to sustain personal relationships, but the very thought of it makes feel helpless. (No ego here, I can't even if I want to) And even if I do, none of my old relationships have any life left in them. For whom should I do it?
I agree what Neel has to say about Jupiter's damage being permanent.
I can't put it to words....at times, I feel like a baby in the cradle. I gotta start again from scratch. My history becomes invalid! The enormity of the task saps optimism. Recalling events that took place 11 years back forcing me to painful process of individualism and now, asking me to reverse it? It's so cruel!
But could this not be an indicator that I must direct my energy elsewhere and not in any personal relationship dynamics?

[neelkumar]

i tend to partially agree with your viewpoint in your last para.
Souls are nothing but energies.
planets are chemical compositions affecting earthlings at various levels - emotional, physical, etc.. from varing distances, degrees, angles, demographically, psychographically.
in a nutshell, energies affecting energies..with chemistry, maths, geometry, geology, biology (protein ~energy), geography, etc. - hence science.