An unconventional Alliance

[rajji]

Boy DOB- 17th may 1988 at 9.30am , Chennai India.
Girl DOB- 19th September 1984 at 2.45am , Hyderabad India.

Respected Members,
Here is a brief background about the alliance
Both are in love with each other.
Both of them do not mind not having children by choice.
Both of them not talking to their respective parents.
The boy is interested to live together as he does not believe in the institution of marriage.Marriage he says, should no longer be considered to have an essence or nature but is a mere social convention, imposed by the society as an arrangement by the couples parents which is no longer so today. And since most of the Marriages That he has come accross have failed, so owing to it he will never take a leap of faith by doing something he does not firmly believe in.

The Girl on the other hand is a firm believer of marriage considers it to be the most sacred union between a man and a woman.Though she is against pomp and splendour, all that she wants is a low key Register Marriage, which the boy is
not ready to consider as it is just a peice of paper for him.The girl on the oter hand hates to just live together.
The girl and the boy know very well they belong to each other and have shunned other prospects.
Both of them are staying separately but still longing for each other.

Will it work out in anyway?
If so, in which way would it possibly be?
Thanks a lot for your Interest.

[subramanianp]

7th and 8th (from Lagna and Moon) in the Girls chart has no afflictions,where as in the Boys chart 7th from Lagna and 8th from Moon has Saturn placed.
Please advise the girl not to select this Boy.

[rajji]

Subramanian Sir,

For your kind information, I am the girl in question.
As it is a Fixation there is no turning back for us.
Would marriage be a problem or living together?
What complications could arise from the said placement?

Regards,
Rajji.

[subramanianp]

When afflictions to the 7th and 8th are only in the male chart,It indicates that in married life,the boy will keep enjoying and the girl will keep sacrificing her pleasure in order to make the relation survive.
Astrologically I dont recomment.
All the best.

[rajji]

Subramanian Sir,

I have also read that shani in the 7th or 8th from moon or lagna could delay marriage considerably..is it so?
I don't think there is any way out for me other than to express my affections through loyal servitute with my neecha sukra, moreover, it being an atmakaraka.

Best Wishes,
Rajji.

[subramanianp]

You are leaving no room for an advise.
Doesn't matter,but please note that,
An half doctor kills the patient.
all the best.

[Lex]

Hi Rajji...

Let's understand Vedic astrology, any marriage by means of holy fire or agni during mantra recital, where 33000 crores devattas comes and blesses married couple, that part can be easily seen in Geolithical chart.
Even older or younger to bride , Groom's characters can be predicted

In your case, you being a Girl older to him by 4 years, unknown gotras etc

I am surprised , you are in relation ship with him and wants to be live in relation ship, and now you are seeking Vedic astrology councelling

Are you feeling Guilty or Is this your Relationship?

[rajji]

Respected Members,

As you can see, that is precisely why I was, as a matter of fact, begging the question.
As both of us are at a standstill point owing to our predicament, for reasons beyond our control,
This thread serves as a food for thought for me. All contributions are welcome.
Pertaining to the above points,
The recent verdict by the Supreme Court ruled in favour of live-in relationships by granting it the status quo to that of a Legally binding marriage.In case of any rebuttal, a heavy burden lies on the party who seeks to deprive it of its legal origin.

So, why cant the girl for whom tying the nupital knot is not that important but a generic legal agreement is, in that case why cant she just stay together when it is backed with complete legal support by the highest body of justice, irrespective of the so called piece of paper?
She also knows for a fact, that his 7th shani can only grant him an elder, a widow or a divorcee as his life partner and to top it all,He is yearning for unconditional Love, owing to his shani casting drishti on the houses of his parents, spouse and the self.

If Astrology is the study of man’s response to planetary stimuli then is it wise for me to act upon it or against it?
Does this celestial influence leave room for a debilitated planet to make a moral choice whatever be the context?

The puzzles seem to fit astrologically for the two us as in psyche mirrors cosmos...yet we are apart.
Hope I made my stance clear. I should have posted in the study section to clear the confusion.

Best wishes,
Rajji.

[Lex]

Respected Members,


The recent verdict by the Supreme Court ruled in favour of live-in relationships by granting it the status quo to that of a Legally binding marriage.In case of any rebuttal, a heavy burden lies on the party who seeks to deprive it of its legal origin.



Best wishes,
Rajji.

We are aware Judiciary has passed the verdict on Live in relationship, but your question was regard to astrology
Consent of parents for a marriage becomes Dharma Karma, Father gives a Kanyadhan to potential groom, Bride's father in that marriage ritual program with Vedic rites wished and blessed by Devattas.
All couples married has to get a marriage certificate, that is the Law

If mother delivers a kid, she need not go to Judiciary to get a verdict that She is the mother of that Kid ( unless there is an issue), only a Birth certificate of doctor will suffice to get a legal document

[rajji]

Hi Lexx,

Since i happened to see your response much before your editing it out, which raised so many questions.Though i wont be addressing them here, Ill just stick to the topic. I am very glad to know you are well versed not only in the subject of Vedic Astrology but also the fact that you are a strict adherent of vedic rituals and the Shastras that govern it.Being an Indian, I am unable to grasp your right of authority on it, either astrologically or judicially, for the simple fact that you seem to take pride not just by advocating your law as the only law and also that you take immense pleasure by deeming the rest of us fit to be called outlaws and charlatans.
So, Lets talk about being an indian, I am indian and an advocate of free speech and opinions.I am an adherent of Indian Judiciary as well as Indian Astrology, well aware of the fact that the term vedic astrology is a misnomer. Indians can be orphans, can come from broken families, can be destitude, filthy rich, infidels, adulterers etc.They are basically Human Beings with some good and bad traits, nevertheless, they do make it a point to strive for righteousness and godliness but never for perfection knowing well that perfection is God's business. So, to imagine that your preconceived notion that the old hindu law is an integral part of indian astrology and still rules the roost in the present changing times is mind boggling to me. If that's the case here. Please let me know.

[Lex]

Law of the land supersedes everything that includes religion astrology etc.
Astrology is a science, Vedic constituted by our Sages in Treta yuga.

As Bollywood films or for that matter anyone in relationship will not seek counseling for astrology for marriage. If couple wants to go through Vedic ritual process, horoscopes are matched through Vedic... Starting point of matching Gotra. Gotra same..becomes Sister and brother( I see in online forum, so called Vedic folks see only data but Vedic analyst doesn't bother to ask Gotra), I am not sure , has uppercourt gave verdict on same Gotra marriage...

In a marriage of couple of maternal side relative, most of the time Charts not matched, Gotra here will be different

Everyone in this land, has freedom of Expression, that is our Constitution principles.

[ChandraLagna]

Hi Rajji...

I am surprised , you are in relation ship with him and wants to be live in relationship, and now you are seeking Vedic astrology councelling
Are you feeling Guilty or Is this your Relationship?

Dear Lex,

Many quereists that come to ask questions on the forum are often confused, angry, hurt or some state of emotional disarray. The person answering any question needs to have empathy, and tolerance of human foibles. Being judgmental is easy, but not helping much.

Respected Members,

If Astrology is the study of man’s response to planetary stimuli then is it wise for me to act upon it or against it? Does this celestial influence leave room for a debilitated planet to make a moral choice whatever be the context?

The puzzles seem to fit astrologically for the two us as in psyche mirrors cosmos...
yet we are apart. Hope I made my stance clear. I should have posted in the study section to clear the
confusion.

Best wishes,
Rajji.

Dear Rajji,

One always has the choice of attempting to, if not succeeding in doing what is right, despite what the chart says...else every act can always have the excuse - I only did what I did because my chart forced me to!

We are aware Judiciary has passed the verdict on Live in relationship, but your question was regard to astrology
Consent of parents for a marriage becomes Dharma Karma, Father gives a Kanyadhan to potential groom, Bride's father in that marriage ritual program with Vedic
rites wished and blessed by Devattas.
All couples married has to get a marriage certificate, that is the Law

If mother delivers a kid, she need not go to Judiciary to get a verdict that She is the mother of that Kid ( unless there is an issue), only
a Birth certificate of doctor will suffice to get a legal document

[/quote]

Dear LEx,
Please stick to astrological guidance..this meandering all over will result in endless discussions not helping the querist to know any answer. Just read your own post again...does it in anyway help Rajji?

Hi Lexx,

either astrologically or judicially, for the simple fact that you seem to take pride not just by advocating your law as the only law and also that you
take immense pleasure by deeming the rest of us fit to be called outlaws and charlatans.
.

Unless he actually called you that, Rajji, isn't this putting words in his mouth? if he did write such words, but later erased them, he realized the error of his ways, so please let go and dont bring it back.

Law of the land supersedes everything that includes religion astrology etc.
Astrology is a science, Vedic constituted by our Sages in Treta yuga.
( I see in online forum, so called Vedic folks see only data but Vedic analyst doesn't bother
to ask Gotra), I am not sure , has uppercourt gave verdict on same Gotra marriage...

In a marriage of couple of maternal side relative, most of the time Charts not matched, Gotra here will be different

Everyone in this land, has freedom of Expression, that is our Constitution principles.

Hi Lex,

Law of the land is temporal and created by Man for man. While it is supreme for the land and the moment, remember that the very fact that laws keep changing means that as man realizes new circumstances and social mores come into existence, the law needs to be updated to keep up. What was illegal a few years ago may be perfectly legal today.

Coming to Astrology, it does not fit the definition of science used in strict meaning of the word. For anything to be called scientific,the results of any analysis or experiment must be repeatable, no matter who conducts an experiment. As we both know, no two astrologers can even come close to conclusions, let alone methods of analysis. Yes, it can be called as our legacy from Rishis and it is our limitation of not understanding or applying it, yet as it is practised today, it does not fit the definition of Science.

Coming to chart matching on forums, the role is just limited to matching charts, not act Purohit in terms of Gotras, mantras, marriage pandals' vastu. Let us understand the context of the forum and restric answer to the appropriate level.

I request both of you to either come back to the topic at hand, or allow another astrologer to respond.

[Caliber]

Dear Chandra,

Very matured answer and God bless you. I have my 7th Lord Venus debilitated in 6th House. I am married at 29 and there is not one day we do not fight only due to Ego. But we love each other a lot. I hope this will answer one of the Questions that Rajji has.

Male: Nov 11, 1964, 17.20 Hrs, Guntur.

[Naitikjani223]

So lets begin from date(s) of birth you have given,

-You are Cancer ascendant and your boy is Gemini ascendant, both ascendants are in 2/12 Position - Not favorable.
-Your Moon in Gemini and his Moon in Taurus, again Moon sign ascendants are in 2/12 position.
-The most concerned point in your horoscope is your Venus, signifactor of relationship and marriage is neech, this indicates there might be some setbacks in relationships.
-Your Moon is also placed in Rahu's Nakshatra and this will create lot of illussion and confusion in your mind when it comes to decision making.

You are running Jupiter dasha till mid 2016, who rules 6th house in birth chart and in Nakshatra of Ketu, who is agent of Mars ( lord of 5th & 10th), hence Jupiter won't give you marriage till mid 2016. then you will have Saturn period for 19 years, but the point here is that as per bhava chart placements, majority of planets signifying decent and stable married life. Your 7th ruler Saturn in 5th house in transit pinpointing 7th house and this has made you serious on marriage matter in this relation.

Your boy is running Rahu period till early 2017 and then he will have Jupiter period, his 7th ruler. Except Sun and Moon, majority of his planets are strong significator 6th, 8th and 12th houses based on his bhava chart and Nakshatra lord placement. You know him better, but planets and majority time period of his life indicate that he has/will have very aggressive nature.

Every girl at one stage in life needs security and commitment in relationship and marriage is the only way to confirm that, your thinking is no different then that and I am completely agree with you. Even if you convert this relation into marriage, Sacrifices will be there up front for you first to get marriage going. Even though I would say chances of your boy to agree for marriage are minimal, but since you know your relationship better - Its your call.

God bless you !

[ChandraLagna]

Dear Caliber garu -

Thank you for writing here, and giving your valuable perspective. Your chart and post tells a lot.

[vedicmaths]

Hi Rajji,

I will confine to the charts.

Both of you will be running the periods of Ak during 2016.
Both of you have venus under stress. There are other astrological factors too,
which indicate the possibility of stress in married life.

If both are committed to each other, one of you could scale down to get the relationship moving.
I would suggest a quick 'think' about your children and their future, in case you prefer to live together.

truly,
vedicmaths

[rajji]

I have no personal vendetta towards anybody including lex sir.
I would like to talk to Mr chandra lagna sir personally.
How do I send him a message?

[subramanianp]

Dear Rajji
Lot of people posted diff; views on your topic.
Initially I also did ,but stopped when the topic found deviating.
With due respect to the person whom you are in love with, let me share my view with you.
I never ever want to hurt your feelings.
Any person in true love with you must compromise certain demands from you.
If not done now ,do you think that after marriage when you both live together he will be respecting your views???
Please kindly do a self analysis on this issue.
Forget about astrological analysis.
Hope my earlier posts have not hurt your feelings.
If so excuse me.
All the best.