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Basab

Hello friends,

I need some help: would you please tell me what exactly are the results a person can expect to get if he has vipareet raja yoga in his chart?
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|| Jaya Jagannatha ||

Namaskar,

This Yogam is not a welcomming Yoga.

A native got rise ( or got money ) due to someone else FALL.

It is like a wife got large amount of insurance money due to her
husband car accidental death.

Suppose a native Lagna is Kanya , Saturn is neecha in Aries.

Saturn is 5th and 6th Lord . Sat as 6 th lord , posited in the 8th house
will give Viparetha Raja Yogam. But sat as fifth lord , this will give bad results to the child.

Dustana lord ( 3-6-8-12 ) in another dustana house position is VPR.
This lord should be weak in navamsam .

Example : India's late Priminister P.V.Narasima Rao.

His lagna is Kanya mars got VRY . He got the Priminister post due to
Rajeev Gandhi's death . Fall of Rajeev Gandhi made him As PM.

late M.G.Ramachandran : Kanya Lagna , Mars in the 12 th House. VRY
Once he was shot and narrowly escaped.
After this shooting , DMK got landslide victory.

Later Karunanidhi fired him from DMK. He started his own political party
and in a single wave , he pushed down karunanidhi and became the CM of Tamil Nadu.

siva sarasalai
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Dear sivagnanalingam ji,

VRY has been intriguing me too, specially since learners like me have to rely on our own charts extensively for learning.

I have just completed my Ve dasha. I am a Ge lagna with Ve and Ma in 8th. (20feb1960 15:15 Mysore). Roughly first half was average. Second half was above average (ignoring Ve-ke which I presume was dasha chidra). But this was not at the cost of anyone else.

Classics say that first half results would be that of 5th house and second half would be that of 12th. I am not sure whether this can be attributed to VRY or the fact that Ve is considered auspicious as lord of 12th and the second half of MD had ADs of benefic/well placed planets.

I will be grateful if you can shed some light on whether VRY is the cause and if so what was the astrological trigger in my case.

CRS
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My 2 cents...(I think Siva has explained very well, thanks)

1. VRY is more poweful than Raja yoga sometimes. Again "it depends" is the key word.
2. 3,6,8,12 and the house it happens is very important.
3. See Obama's case. It is happening in first house and he is running Ju dasa. Ju owns a bad house in D9 (8th). JU also is in third from Cp...
4. See Sonia Gandhi's case - it is happening in fifth house. Mercury is third lord again for cancer lagna.
5. Both are ordinary people but third lord dasa gave them power. Here in Sonia's chart - it is in 5th house. Almost like a powerful Consultant, though she is not holding actual Govt post.
6. Focus on two lagnas (CN, CP) - See Mer and see Jup (for Cn, Cp lagnas respectively). A strong form of VRY is rare and seen only in extraordinary cases
7. See Al Gore's MER also to get clues.
8. See CN lagna people with MER in Scorpio -collect as many charts...and see if the dasa is running to see the level of rise...

Good luck..

[quote="Basab"]Hello friends,

I need some help: would you please tell me what exactly are the results a person can expect to get if he has vipareet raja yoga in his chart?[/quote]
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Hi,

After reading the abovementioned experiences of the learned astrologers, it only tells us that one can not and should not use VRY to justify the success or the miseries of the native. If the planets involved in VRY are to come in the form of MD or AD, then predictions can not be made with certainity. I request the learned to give their views on what is the use of such a rule as VRY?

regards
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Hi...I believe I have VY in my chart.

DOB: July 5, 1971
9:43pm
Manhattan, New York.

First husband died unexpectedly at age 27...and left me a large life insurance amount. Kinda scary how this whole thing is predicted. Does that mean my VY is cancelle now?

Also, can anyone tell me if I will be ok financially?
Thanks!
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Hi Nina,

So does the GKY relate to my first husband (who had died) or my second husband? I definitely think the VRY is from first husband. My second husband makes a decent income and I am home now for the last year and a half raising the kids. I also invest in the stock market on the side and have done moderately well...(at least not losing with this crazy economy).

Do you see anything that would indicate poverty and being poor in my future?
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|| Jaya Jagannatha ||

Very first , I slightly observed regarding your money matters but I didn't tell that.

First of all , Your Arudha lagnam is Kanya . From kanya rasi , the 11th house is Cancer. This cancer sign shows how you will get income.
This cancer sign is aspected by 5 planets ( Rasi & gragha Dristi ).

MORE IMPORTANTLY THIS CANCER SIGN IS THE 7TH HOUSE FROM YOUR LAGNAM. Seventh house is for spouse.

So you have the strong chances to get money from your 7th house significations.

Your jupiter is 3rd and 12 lord and also Darakaraka . This jupiter is joined wth the Kendhira lord Moon . This Moon is entirely 7th lord.
. Jupiter is darakaraka. 7th lord joining with a Dustana Lord a kind of VRY ( as Jupiter and Moon got close connection )

When Jupiter and Moon together they exchange some sort of powers between them ( to generate money ). Don't get doubt about this .

Because jupiter gets exalated in Moon's house cancer.

This Guru Chandra Yoga is in Bhadaka Isthanam.

Your Upa pada lagnam is Libra .

Where did you meet your first husband ? in the working place ?
An engineer ? dealing with large machines ?

Ok From Your Upa pada lagnam in the second house NEECHA MOON.
Earlier I replied to a member that if neecha planet is second from the Upa pada lagnam , then husband is finished.

( for 2nd marriage another UP lagnam that is good. )

In navamsam 7 lord Venus in 8 House ( problems /income --from 7th 8th is 2nd ) .

During venus Vim dasa all things happened. Venus in the 6 H . from 7th it is in 12 house - vanishing house.

In 1998 July Sagit / Can naraya dasa started. I think bad period started
with VRY.

( few additional pointers I didn't write as no time )

siva sarasali
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Hi there again Siva!

I met first husband at work. He died Jan 1998. I know you said my bad time started with VRY...and I was devastated at the time he died! BUt to be honest...he was not a nice person...not an honest person...and unfortunately, I have to say his passing away was the best thing to happen to me. He was a control freak and I had no freedom. From his death, I gained money...but I also gained my Independance and became my own person. And my second husband is a wonderful, honest, hard working man - and an open minded person who was willing to marry a widow with a child. So, I consider it to be fortunate. I guess it's always good for the mind to make lemonade out of lemons handed to them in life.

However, do you see in my chart that I will be financially ok for the future?
Thanks again for your help!
chess

Nina, Siva,

Interesting conversation. I have VRY with Ve in the 6th and lord of the 8th (Pisces Ascendant). Moreover, I am running Ve Mahadasha since 1992 and it ends in 2011. I have not really seen a particular gain in an abrupt manner but it has been a gradual gain. There are still around 2 years to go and if something happens, will let you know folks.

One thing though Ve period has been constant up and down for health. From accidents, paralysis, slip discs and getting normal again, you name it. I don't know if it is any reflection of VRY or just purely Venus in 6th.

I am actually looking forward to end of this period!

Regards,
Chess

[quote="dishiva"]Hi there again Siva!

I met first husband at work. He died Jan 1998. I know you said my bad time started with VRY...and I was devastated at the time he died! BUt to be honest...he was not a nice person...not an honest person...and unfortunately, I have to say his passing away was the best thing to happen to me. He was a control freak and I had no freedom. From his death, I gained money...but I also gained my Independance and became my own person. And my second husband is a wonderful, honest, hard working man - and an open minded person who was willing to marry a widow with a child. So, I consider it to be fortunate. I guess it's always good for the mind to make lemonade out of lemons handed to them in life.

However, do you see in my chart that I will be financially ok for the future?
Thanks again for your help![/quote]
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|| Jaya Jagannatha ||

dear Chess,

When I read the first line that Venus in 6 H ..... Then I thought some thing going to hppen to your health too.

six house venus is considered as Maranakaraka Isthanam. The lordship houses will suffers. (venus's Natural signs Libra and taurus will suffers ).

libra is your 8 th house. and 3rd house is taurus.

This MKS is very effective bad Yoga. Secondly more importantly , this venus must be weak in navamsam. ? If got strength , then won't give VRY.

Venus in leo = less worrying nature. / marriage partner from a well to do family. Body is little bit weak.

Yesterday from 9:30 PM till to-day , now 7:13 Pm , I didn't sleep due to this useless astrology. :wink:

take it eassy

siva sarasalai.
chess

Siva,

Get some sleep! Sleepless in "wherever you are" is not going to make life easy :) . Good point about Venus in Navamsa. Venus in Navamsa is actually in 9th and in Taurus its own sign, maybe that is why i don't see the effects of VRY and maybe that also explains why I am not dead yet!

Kind of give some take some situation with Venus.

Regards
Chess

[quote="sivagnanalingam"]|| Jaya Jagannatha ||

dear Chess,

When I read the first line that Venus in 6 H ..... Then I thought some thing going to hppen to your health too.

six house venus is considered as Maranakaraka Isthanam. The lordship houses will suffers. (venus's Natural signs Libra and taurus will suffers ).

libra is your 8 th house. and 3rd house is taurus.

This MKS is very effective bad Yoga. Secondly more importantly , this venus must be weak in navamsam. ? If got strength , then won't give VRY.

Venus in leo = less worrying nature. / marriage partner from a well to do family. Body is little bit weak.

Yesterday from 9:30 PM till to-day , now 7:13 Pm , I didn't sleep due to this useless astrology. :wink:

take it eassy

siva sarasalai.[/quote]
chess

Siva,

Get some sleep! Sleepless in "wherever you are" is not going to make life easy :) . Good point about Venus in Navamsa. Venus in Navamsa is actually in 9th and in Taurus its own sign, maybe that is why i don't see the effects of VRY and maybe that also explains why I am not dead yet!

Kind of give some take some situation with Venus.

Regards
Chess

[quote="sivagnanalingam"]|| Jaya Jagannatha ||

dear Chess,

When I read the first line that Venus in 6 H ..... Then I thought some thing going to hppen to your health too.

six house venus is considered as Maranakaraka Isthanam. The lordship houses will suffers. (venus's Natural signs Libra and taurus will suffers ).

libra is your 8 th house. and 3rd house is taurus.

This MKS is very effective bad Yoga. Secondly more importantly , this venus must be weak in navamsam. ? If got strength , then won't give VRY.

Venus in leo = less worrying nature. / marriage partner from a well to do family. Body is little bit weak.

Yesterday from 9:30 PM till to-day , now 7:13 Pm , I didn't sleep due to this useless astrology. :wink:

take it eassy

siva sarasalai.[/quote]
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I read the thread. In our chart we have also VRY. Can u tell me is it strong VRY in our chart? my wife has 8th lord and 6th lord exchanging eachother house. Will it be powerful when dasha comes? I have 8th lord in 12th house, 12th lord is in 6th house while 6th lord is in Ascendent in natal chart but 6th lord placed in 12th house in Chalit chart. Is it called VRY? What are the effects of it during our lifespan?

following is my detail.

DOB : 09th March, 1980
POB : Ahmedabad, Gujarat, India
TOB : 08:10pm

Following is my wife's detail

DOB : 13th November, 1981
POB : Jaipur, Rajasthan, India
TOB : 06:11 pm
Basab

Hello Nina,

Thank you so much for writing about vipareet raja yoga. I have not read your post yet, but I will soon and am sure will learn a lot from it as always. Thank you once again; I appreciate it very much.
Basab

Hello, Siva, CRS, Mssharma and Anupamji,

Thank you everyone for writing about this yoga. I will participate in the discussion, with my little knowledge, very soon.
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Hi All Learned Members,

DoB 07/07/1949
TOB: 09:07
Rajkot India.

I am leo lagna with Lord of 8th house Jupiter in 6th house. Currently Running Moon Mahadasha with Jupitar Sub period fron Nov 7th 2009 to 7th March 2011. Does this will give any effect due to VRY?

Thx
Basab

Lovarcs,

I think the second half of the Venus period was better for you than the first half because you got better sub-periods in the 2nd half.
Basab

[quote="anupam1968"]For example my father got appointment letter to join a very prestigious company in the Md of his VRY just after the death my grandfather but this pattern does not apply in my case.[/quote]

Anupamji,

If you don't mind, I would like to have your father's birth details once again as I have lost it. And would also like to know the period and the sub-period in which your father got his first job. There are a couple more thing I would like to ask you: does vipareet raja yoga works always or most of the times at the least?
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In my case 3/6 L ME is in 8H Scorpio. I had JU-ME period between 2000-2002. I had only FALL and there was no raise. In fact I did not have any job all those 2 years and that was the only time in my life, I did not have a job. I started working when I was 20 even before I got my Engg results and I had very successful career till 2000 Nov when I migrated to US.

That period was worst part of my life and it still haunts me.
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It looks like we both me and my wife have Vipareet raja yoga on our charts, what does it mean? Are we going to loose something to gain success.

Thanks,
Varma
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looks like this chart is VRY.

8th Lord Sun in 6H. 12th Lord Jupiter is in 8H.

July 3, 1980, 21:00 Hours IST, Kollam, Kerala, India.

thanks
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Dear Basab,

[quote]I think the second half of the Venus period was better for you than the first half because you got better sub-periods in the 2nd half.[/quote]

Perhaps as sivagnanalingam ji said VRY is not effective if any of the planets are strong. In my case 6th lord Ma is exalted in 8th. But that still does not answer why VRY did not get activated in Ve (12th lord in 8th) MD.

CRS
Basab

CRS,

I don't have an answer to that. I have seen in many cases VRY working and in many cases not working, so I am not sure about how to see when it will work and when it will not, or maybe how it works because it maybe is like this that it works differently in different charts.
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