Hi Learned Members
We have discussed this topic before in past post. I give you here the summary again. The one on the Sun and Moon is from Vic Di Cara. The other bhangas are from AIAC Volume 10 under Mars column. You can read it under the ISSU Website. I believe the website is under Saptarishis Astrology.
Just google.......AIAC Times Vol. 10 and you would be brought to the ISSU website and you can create an account there.
We know about Mahapurusha Yogas. They are caused by the planets (excluding the lights) in kendras either in their own or exaltation signs.
Now let's see the bhanga. The rationale for these please consult the respective websites.
From Vic Di Cara :
If Moon or Sun conjuncts the planet concerned that is causing the Mahapurusha Yoga, the yoga is nullified.
Now for the rest.
Cancellation of Mahapurusha Yoga where the planet concerned is in an exaltation sign in angles.
Mars exalted in angle - Saturn conjunction with Mars or Mars aspects Saturn
Mercury exalted in angle - Mercury conjunction with Jupiter or Jupiter aspects Mercury
Jupiter exalted in angle - Moon conjunction with Mars or Mars aspects Moon
Venus exalted in angle - Jupiter conjunction with Saturn or Saturn aspects Jupiter
Saturn exalted in angle - Venus conjunct Mercury (Venus cannot aspect Mercury except in divisional charts)
To be continued...............
Mahapurusha Yoga Bhanga : The Summary Again
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Cancellation of Mahapurusha Yoga where the planet concerned is in its own sign in angles.
Mars in Aires or Scorpio in angles - Moon or Venus or Saturn with Mars (ie. conjunction) or there is some aspect between one or more of Moon, Venus or Saturn with Mars
Mercury in Virgo or Gemini in angles - Venus or Jupiter with Mercury (ie. conjunction) or there is some aspect between one or more of Venus, Jupiter with Mercury
Venus in Libra or Taurus in angles - Venus or Mars with Mercury (ie. conjunction) or there is some aspect between one or more of Mars, Mercury with Venus
Notice because Mercury and Venus can never be more than 76 degrees apart, a lot of the Bhadra (Mercury) and Malavya (Venus) Mahapurusha Yogas are cancelled as a result.
Jupiter in Sagittarius in angles - Venus or Saturn with Jupiter (ie. conjunction) or there is some aspect between one or more of Venus, Saturn with Jupiter
Jupiter in Pisces in angles - Mercury or Saturn with Jupiter (ie. conjunction) or there is some aspect between one or more of Mercury, Saturn with Jupiter
Notice the bhanga for the Hamsa (Jupiter) Mahapurusha Yoga when Jupiter is Sagittarius and when Jupiter is in Pisces is different.
The rationale you can refer to the article as it is for the rest of the other criteria for the other bhangas.
Saturn in Capricorn or Aquarius in angles - Jupiter or Mars with Saturn (ie. conjunction) or there is some aspect between one or more of Mars, Jupiter with Saturn
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I have two Mahapurusha Yogas in my chart : one of Mars and one of Saturn.
Mars condition for cancellation is not there.
Saturn, yes, because the Moon is with Saturn. But :
Ketu conjuncts Saturn in its own sign which make Saturn strong. Moon and Saturn also participates in various other Yogas. And Saturn is strong by being retrogade. Can it compensate?
No, I don't think it could. In Jyotish nothing is cancelled UNLESS it is specifically mentioned in classics or some eminent astrologers has researched on the topic. The kindness of my Moon has overtaken the Sasha Yoga in my chart. In a way I am glad. Sasha Yoga can be quite cruel. I am not like that. The perseverance of Saturn, however, is not annihilated.
Best Regards
Hock Leong
Mars in Aires or Scorpio in angles - Moon or Venus or Saturn with Mars (ie. conjunction) or there is some aspect between one or more of Moon, Venus or Saturn with Mars
Mercury in Virgo or Gemini in angles - Venus or Jupiter with Mercury (ie. conjunction) or there is some aspect between one or more of Venus, Jupiter with Mercury
Venus in Libra or Taurus in angles - Venus or Mars with Mercury (ie. conjunction) or there is some aspect between one or more of Mars, Mercury with Venus
Notice because Mercury and Venus can never be more than 76 degrees apart, a lot of the Bhadra (Mercury) and Malavya (Venus) Mahapurusha Yogas are cancelled as a result.
Jupiter in Sagittarius in angles - Venus or Saturn with Jupiter (ie. conjunction) or there is some aspect between one or more of Venus, Saturn with Jupiter
Jupiter in Pisces in angles - Mercury or Saturn with Jupiter (ie. conjunction) or there is some aspect between one or more of Mercury, Saturn with Jupiter
Notice the bhanga for the Hamsa (Jupiter) Mahapurusha Yoga when Jupiter is Sagittarius and when Jupiter is in Pisces is different.
The rationale you can refer to the article as it is for the rest of the other criteria for the other bhangas.
Saturn in Capricorn or Aquarius in angles - Jupiter or Mars with Saturn (ie. conjunction) or there is some aspect between one or more of Mars, Jupiter with Saturn
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I have two Mahapurusha Yogas in my chart : one of Mars and one of Saturn.
Mars condition for cancellation is not there.
Saturn, yes, because the Moon is with Saturn. But :
Ketu conjuncts Saturn in its own sign which make Saturn strong. Moon and Saturn also participates in various other Yogas. And Saturn is strong by being retrogade. Can it compensate?
No, I don't think it could. In Jyotish nothing is cancelled UNLESS it is specifically mentioned in classics or some eminent astrologers has researched on the topic. The kindness of my Moon has overtaken the Sasha Yoga in my chart. In a way I am glad. Sasha Yoga can be quite cruel. I am not like that. The perseverance of Saturn, however, is not annihilated.
Best Regards
Hock Leong
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Notice Mercury and Venus cause each other's bhanga but Mercury +Venus is great in other ways as explained in my earlier post (even if you only accep things straight from the classics, the point about Mercury+Venus able to move mountains ie. a great combination per se, that is from the classics). And the bhanga from this article is also from the classics.
It goes to show there are many ways to look at greatness in Jyotish as in all other attributes. A Jyotisha who just concentrate on one specific pattern in the chart is putting blinkers on his eyelids. Of corse a good Jyotisha would assign weights to see which factor stands out in a chart and also the ability to rank the various factors in a chart in order of importance.
It goes to show there are many ways to look at greatness in Jyotish as in all other attributes. A Jyotisha who just concentrate on one specific pattern in the chart is putting blinkers on his eyelids. Of corse a good Jyotisha would assign weights to see which factor stands out in a chart and also the ability to rank the various factors in a chart in order of importance.
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Nice write-up,
I remember reading about these bhanga's before when doing random research in the past and I notice how many astrologers ignore these, or maybe are unaware of them.
For instance, I've seen many articles talking about Hitler's chart's Ruchaka yoga in aries, but it has the bhanga of being conjunct venus, it also gets saturn's 10th aspect on it too for further Bhanga...
Paul Newman has Jupiter in sagittarius in ascendant, but it's conjunct mercury+Venus(bhanga) and aspected by saturn, so bhanga according to this.
Shah Rukh Khan, Saturn in Aquarius in 7th, but has aspect of both Mars+Jupiter, which is listed as bhanga to Sasha yoga.
Narendra Modi with Moon conjunct mars, yet I still see people write on websites how he has Ruchaka yoga working in full force.
John Travolta, saturn exalted in 4th, but has venus conjunct mercury in 8th.
Etc.
Anyway, like you said about your own yoga's bhanga(saturn's), the planet can still be very powerful and positive for the person, even if not a mahaparush yoga. I find some astrologers treat it like if the PMY planet is bhanga then the planet isn't so great anymore, which is wrong I believe.
I know family members with PMY planets that are bhanga but they're doing wonderfully in regards to the what else the planet represents and flourished during it's mahadasha.
So if someone is reading this and finds they're yoga is "cancelled", don't worry. A true MPY is very rare.
I remember reading about these bhanga's before when doing random research in the past and I notice how many astrologers ignore these, or maybe are unaware of them.
For instance, I've seen many articles talking about Hitler's chart's Ruchaka yoga in aries, but it has the bhanga of being conjunct venus, it also gets saturn's 10th aspect on it too for further Bhanga...
Paul Newman has Jupiter in sagittarius in ascendant, but it's conjunct mercury+Venus(bhanga) and aspected by saturn, so bhanga according to this.
Shah Rukh Khan, Saturn in Aquarius in 7th, but has aspect of both Mars+Jupiter, which is listed as bhanga to Sasha yoga.
Narendra Modi with Moon conjunct mars, yet I still see people write on websites how he has Ruchaka yoga working in full force.
John Travolta, saturn exalted in 4th, but has venus conjunct mercury in 8th.
Etc.
Anyway, like you said about your own yoga's bhanga(saturn's), the planet can still be very powerful and positive for the person, even if not a mahaparush yoga. I find some astrologers treat it like if the PMY planet is bhanga then the planet isn't so great anymore, which is wrong I believe.
I know family members with PMY planets that are bhanga but they're doing wonderfully in regards to the what else the planet represents and flourished during it's mahadasha.
So if someone is reading this and finds they're yoga is "cancelled", don't worry. A true MPY is very rare.
s dear khoo,
sir, see mindlessly people are applying this one
now please see BPHS
in chapter 44 - combinations for penury - sloka 4 - see the importance given to the Moon.
also the same Parashara gave a whole chapter on lunar yogas. please see chapter 39. at one point of time adhi yoga is spoken about - and yet you believe in Vic dicara . the next chapter is of the solar yoga. that is chapter 40.
the point is - it is sad that people don't realise that the Moon and the sun form alternative lagnas.A yoga which forms from the Moon and the sun lagnas + the lagna = tremendously strong. The Moon is a very very important lagna. any yoga forming from the moon lagna and the lagna will always be very strong If you people can understand that - things will be better in the Jyotish world.
WHEN THE BODY (LAGNA) THE MIND (MOON) AND THE SOUL (SUN) EXPERIENCE A YOGA - THE YOGA IS FULFILLED.
sir, see mindlessly people are applying this one
BPHS has a sloka which says that when the sun and the Moon are with the panchamahapurasha causing graha the Panchamahapurasha yoga is null and void. I am aware of this sloka. vic dicara just took one sloka and applied it mindlessly. till now nobody knows that it is there in BPHS. last time one person mr mahadev came and attacked me - but he never gave this sloka. if he know what he was talking about he should have given me this sloka and I would have had a debate with him.by Khoo Hock Leong » 19 Feb 2015 03:01
Hi Learned Members
We have discussed this topic before in past post. I give you here the summary again. The one on the Sun and Moon is from Vic Di Cara.
now please see BPHS
in chapter 44 - combinations for penury - sloka 4 - see the importance given to the Moon.
also the same Parashara gave a whole chapter on lunar yogas. please see chapter 39. at one point of time adhi yoga is spoken about - and yet you believe in Vic dicara . the next chapter is of the solar yoga. that is chapter 40.
the point is - it is sad that people don't realise that the Moon and the sun form alternative lagnas.A yoga which forms from the Moon and the sun lagnas + the lagna = tremendously strong. The Moon is a very very important lagna. any yoga forming from the moon lagna and the lagna will always be very strong If you people can understand that - things will be better in the Jyotish world.
WHEN THE BODY (LAGNA) THE MIND (MOON) AND THE SOUL (SUN) EXPERIENCE A YOGA - THE YOGA IS FULFILLED.
In my chart Saturn is in 0°54' Aquarius in 7th house & recieves aspect of Venus. Its position remains same in Bhava Chart but it goes into 6th house in KP chart & recieves aspect of Mars & Jupiter. No other condition is satisfied. Does this mean this MPY is cancelled?
yesterday what means my wife is trouble for me so half ony I am posting ah. kindly you see down ah mine,
now what means - Khoo sir you are taking your horoscope and telling this is not there and that is not there and all nicely you are doing that one. but my humble request is what you know? kindly you take 5 horoscope where moon or sun or both is with a panchamahapurasha forming yoga. Then you put vici dici sloka and see if yoga is there or not.
CLOSE YOUR EYES AND THINK
For scorpio lagna if kuja is with sun can we be able to say there is no ruchaka yoga?
for aries lagna if kuja is with Moon can we be able to say Ruchaka yoga is not there?
for meena lagna if Guru is with Moon can we be able to say Hamsa yoga is not there?
for kanya lagna if moon is with budha in lagna can we be able to say Bhadra yoga is not there?
for Tula lagna if shani is with the Moon in the lagna can we be able to say that sasa yoga is not there?
for Tula if venus is with Moon can we be able to say that Malavya yoga is not there?
what a
one horoscope I will tell - it is belong to deputy commissioner of police I.P.S.( law and order) Karnataka cadre serving in a commisionarate in Karnataka. sad is what means I cannot be able to put the data why means if he is caming to know I put means he will kick me with his boot ah.
for him - scorpio lagna. Mars in the lagna + sun in the lagna. ruchaka yoga is 1st class. Kuja is not a combust. how he is means . he is not caring for commissioner also. one day I am going for jolly ride with him. what means one procession is there - then some peoples is throwing stone. within 2 minutes there is riot like situation ah. situation is what means police is vastly out numbered by the mob. that is the classic story of the indian police ah. mob is 1000 and police is 100. what he is doing you know? he is taking on baton and swinging and charging at the mob ya. one man against 50 + peoples. seeing him, other police peoples are also charging. until then other police are hiding on top of the coconut tree. he is not caring for anybody. one day he told one MLA - don't bark like street doggy - go build one toilet and inaugurate it. don't interfere in my work. hahahaha MLA is shocking.
so many IPS officer I sawn in my life. But this man is having the personality and dignity of a police officer. normally IPS officer don't carry weapon. they have one assistant sub inspector with a weapon always with them. This man - he is having ASI with a weapon and also he is also carrying a weapon. one day he is asking in my opinion what is the best gun to buy? I told you buy walther PPK -L. super it is. so he is having his own pistol and also having department issue. he is having super knowledge of weapons and we are sitting and talking about many weapons now and then. can we able to tell ruchaka yoga is not there sir? if I tell for him like that for you ruchaka yoga is not there means he will put me in the lock up and kick for me.
now where his vici dici is getting this? which version of BPHS is having this? for sure the Santanam / GS Kapoor version of the BPHS is not having this. But one version (specially used by Parashara light software is having it) where it came from I don't know.
what all is there on the internet if you see means we have take a rope and find a fan to hang ourselves. if we start to clean up the internet of all the rubbish that is there in jyotish means one whole kali yuga we will need. vici dici is telling something - that is spreading on the internet. You are also quoting. that is spreading again sir. it is a wrong. one in English they are telling - keep repeating a lie - it becomes the truth eventually. please test these things on 5 other horoscopes - you will find that what ever vici dici is telling is a wrong.
simply to talk it is easy. but when you apply vici dicis crazy dictum - it will fail the test. You want proof? kindly see down ah
thank you.
When the 27 nakshatras are the moon's wifes - when the dasha is started from the moon - how can that same Moon damage and cancel a pancha mahapurasha yoga? Please think sir.
now what means - Khoo sir you are taking your horoscope and telling this is not there and that is not there and all nicely you are doing that one. but my humble request is what you know? kindly you take 5 horoscope where moon or sun or both is with a panchamahapurasha forming yoga. Then you put vici dici sloka and see if yoga is there or not.
CLOSE YOUR EYES AND THINK
For scorpio lagna if kuja is with sun can we be able to say there is no ruchaka yoga?
for aries lagna if kuja is with Moon can we be able to say Ruchaka yoga is not there?
for meena lagna if Guru is with Moon can we be able to say Hamsa yoga is not there?
for kanya lagna if moon is with budha in lagna can we be able to say Bhadra yoga is not there?
for Tula lagna if shani is with the Moon in the lagna can we be able to say that sasa yoga is not there?
for Tula if venus is with Moon can we be able to say that Malavya yoga is not there?
what a
one horoscope I will tell - it is belong to deputy commissioner of police I.P.S.( law and order) Karnataka cadre serving in a commisionarate in Karnataka. sad is what means I cannot be able to put the data why means if he is caming to know I put means he will kick me with his boot ah.
for him - scorpio lagna. Mars in the lagna + sun in the lagna. ruchaka yoga is 1st class. Kuja is not a combust. how he is means . he is not caring for commissioner also. one day I am going for jolly ride with him. what means one procession is there - then some peoples is throwing stone. within 2 minutes there is riot like situation ah. situation is what means police is vastly out numbered by the mob. that is the classic story of the indian police ah. mob is 1000 and police is 100. what he is doing you know? he is taking on baton and swinging and charging at the mob ya. one man against 50 + peoples. seeing him, other police peoples are also charging. until then other police are hiding on top of the coconut tree. he is not caring for anybody. one day he told one MLA - don't bark like street doggy - go build one toilet and inaugurate it. don't interfere in my work. hahahaha MLA is shocking.
so many IPS officer I sawn in my life. But this man is having the personality and dignity of a police officer. normally IPS officer don't carry weapon. they have one assistant sub inspector with a weapon always with them. This man - he is having ASI with a weapon and also he is also carrying a weapon. one day he is asking in my opinion what is the best gun to buy? I told you buy walther PPK -L. super it is. so he is having his own pistol and also having department issue. he is having super knowledge of weapons and we are sitting and talking about many weapons now and then. can we able to tell ruchaka yoga is not there sir? if I tell for him like that for you ruchaka yoga is not there means he will put me in the lock up and kick for me.
now where his vici dici is getting this? which version of BPHS is having this? for sure the Santanam / GS Kapoor version of the BPHS is not having this. But one version (specially used by Parashara light software is having it) where it came from I don't know.
what all is there on the internet if you see means we have take a rope and find a fan to hang ourselves. if we start to clean up the internet of all the rubbish that is there in jyotish means one whole kali yuga we will need. vici dici is telling something - that is spreading on the internet. You are also quoting. that is spreading again sir. it is a wrong. one in English they are telling - keep repeating a lie - it becomes the truth eventually. please test these things on 5 other horoscopes - you will find that what ever vici dici is telling is a wrong.
simply to talk it is easy. but when you apply vici dicis crazy dictum - it will fail the test. You want proof? kindly see down ah
how important is the Moon in a horoscope? vici dici must think before he comes up with a nonsense. What is Saravali telling about the Moon you know sir?Saravalli - chapter 35 sloka 115
Should Mercury be exalted and be with conjunction along with the Moon the native will rule over Magdha the ichor of whose elephants will spread perfume to all corners of the world.
sloka 120
If Jupiter occupies cancer along with the Moon the subject will rule over Kashmir.
finally Saravali is delivering the killer strokechapter 39 sloka 3
The raja yoga in the horoscope are only for name sake if the Moon is weak
therefore i kindly request you not to spread vici dici's crazy dictum. we are only helping him spread lies. the moon is very very important in the horoscope. When the panchamahapurusha causing graha is with the Moon - the yoga becomes abundantly strong. please remember this. Also remember - The moon is a alternative lagna.in sloka 18 it says - if Jupiter occupies Capricorn in the ascendant and if the moon is not in Cancer the native will become miserable just as a pennyless lewdster in the house of a courtesan.
thank you.
When the 27 nakshatras are the moon's wifes - when the dasha is started from the moon - how can that same Moon damage and cancel a pancha mahapurasha yoga? Please think sir.
dears members of this forum and Khoo sir kindly you please look at this horoscope ah
here 3 panchamahapurasha yoga is there. is he king? no. is he minister? no. he is a nothing. he is just ordinary library man. why it is became like this? because kuja and shani is with moon and sun ah? no. that is not the reason. is it because kuja aspects guru / guru aspects kuja / shani aspects guru? no. that is not the case ah.
look close means - lagna lord is combust 99 percent by the 8th lord sun who is debilitated. Guru is in the nakshatra of Saturn and kuja is in the rashi of Saturn. Saturn the lagna lord is like chicken kabab. total roast he is. more what means dispositor shukra is in mrityu bhaga. this is only enough. full game is over.
like this we must see. friends if guru is in lagna of dhanur it is a hamsa yoga. if moon comes there - that guru will be damaged. why? because moon is the pure 8th lord. 100% we can say in this case - moon is afflicting guru. Same you take meena lagna - guru in lagna - moon in lagna. now moon is 5th lord. Can we say that there is no hamsa yoga here? please you think ah.
thank you .
here 3 panchamahapurasha yoga is there. is he king? no. is he minister? no. he is a nothing. he is just ordinary library man. why it is became like this? because kuja and shani is with moon and sun ah? no. that is not the reason. is it because kuja aspects guru / guru aspects kuja / shani aspects guru? no. that is not the case ah.
look close means - lagna lord is combust 99 percent by the 8th lord sun who is debilitated. Guru is in the nakshatra of Saturn and kuja is in the rashi of Saturn. Saturn the lagna lord is like chicken kabab. total roast he is. more what means dispositor shukra is in mrityu bhaga. this is only enough. full game is over.
like this we must see. friends if guru is in lagna of dhanur it is a hamsa yoga. if moon comes there - that guru will be damaged. why? because moon is the pure 8th lord. 100% we can say in this case - moon is afflicting guru. Same you take meena lagna - guru in lagna - moon in lagna. now moon is 5th lord. Can we say that there is no hamsa yoga here? please you think ah.
thank you .
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Very interesting and good questions you bring up Howzat,
Though I wait for khoo's response since you're mostly talking to him only, as is his thread.
But I just had to join in and say that I was thinking this many times that who knows if any of these MPY cancellations are even true, until we test them on many charts.
For Malavya yoga, I have it (venus in pisces in 10th), but jupiter is aspected by saturn....
however saturn is retrograde, and the aspect is wide orb from jupiter, but also in bhava chart saturn moves bhava's and is no longer aspecting - I know this is not how we look at charts (bhava chart aspect), but what I'm getting at is, perhaps my malavya isn't completely cancelled, maybe just lessened. Whereas someone with saturn conjunct jupiter, or saturn's aspect within like 3-1 degree from jupiter would have it cancelled more.
But now before someone says "no sorry, the sloka says it's cancelled",
I ask - what are the results of malavya yoga ?
Because to many people that have met me personally, and astrologers that have done readings on skype, they all said I have the yoga.
Your story of the police officer made me think of this, where even though his chart shows a "Cancellation" with sun conjunct, he seems to you to display the effects of having a true strong Ruchaka yoga.
Besides myself not being married or dating a woman at the moment , I do feel I have all malayva yoga's qualities - but it's one thing for me to say it myself, like I said, literally every astrologer who has met me agreed after talking to / seeing me. I even have the "thin waist" like a woman (shaped) that is mentioned in the BPHS, and sparkling teeth (have had people notice it from across rooms saying humorously are my teeth fake? - they are not. just very shiney/white).
Plus do art, and many other venus things but I don't want to get into it all myself right now.
So if malavya is cancelled, then is simply venus exalted conjunct my lagna lord doing (mercury) doing these effects?
And as for the no wife part, that I believe is due to free will (have not been looking) and my damaged/weak 7/7th lord and saturns aspect on it all, delaying things + navamsa issues,etc...
Anyway,
I usually don't like to post about myself but your police officer example was something I was talking to other astrology friends of mine about(in real life, not online).
Basically the thought that "what if someone displays results of a yoga in the chart, but the chart shows it has some cancellation on it? - but what if the cancellation isn't something that is widely accepted or in BPHS? Could it be some "currupt" information that just seems to be truth because it's found online? If there was no internet would this information be accepted by astrologers? "
In the end I think the word "bhanga" / "cancellation" is too harsh...instead, certain factors perhaps only just dilute effects of MPY.
Like jupiter with sun in pisces lagna, may be diluting the hamsa yoga a good 75% or so.
but Jupiter with 9th lord sun in Sagittarius lagna maye only dilute it 25% or less. etc.
but of course, I don't know for sure.
And good point made on using moon as alternative lagna....as if a MPY conjunct moon is cancelled, then that is also saying MPY can only happen in houses 4-7-10 from moon lagna.
Though I wait for khoo's response since you're mostly talking to him only, as is his thread.
But I just had to join in and say that I was thinking this many times that who knows if any of these MPY cancellations are even true, until we test them on many charts.
For Malavya yoga, I have it (venus in pisces in 10th), but jupiter is aspected by saturn....
however saturn is retrograde, and the aspect is wide orb from jupiter, but also in bhava chart saturn moves bhava's and is no longer aspecting - I know this is not how we look at charts (bhava chart aspect), but what I'm getting at is, perhaps my malavya isn't completely cancelled, maybe just lessened. Whereas someone with saturn conjunct jupiter, or saturn's aspect within like 3-1 degree from jupiter would have it cancelled more.
But now before someone says "no sorry, the sloka says it's cancelled",
I ask - what are the results of malavya yoga ?
Because to many people that have met me personally, and astrologers that have done readings on skype, they all said I have the yoga.
Your story of the police officer made me think of this, where even though his chart shows a "Cancellation" with sun conjunct, he seems to you to display the effects of having a true strong Ruchaka yoga.
Besides myself not being married or dating a woman at the moment , I do feel I have all malayva yoga's qualities - but it's one thing for me to say it myself, like I said, literally every astrologer who has met me agreed after talking to / seeing me. I even have the "thin waist" like a woman (shaped) that is mentioned in the BPHS, and sparkling teeth (have had people notice it from across rooms saying humorously are my teeth fake? - they are not. just very shiney/white).
Plus do art, and many other venus things but I don't want to get into it all myself right now.
So if malavya is cancelled, then is simply venus exalted conjunct my lagna lord doing (mercury) doing these effects?
And as for the no wife part, that I believe is due to free will (have not been looking) and my damaged/weak 7/7th lord and saturns aspect on it all, delaying things + navamsa issues,etc...
Anyway,
I usually don't like to post about myself but your police officer example was something I was talking to other astrology friends of mine about(in real life, not online).
Basically the thought that "what if someone displays results of a yoga in the chart, but the chart shows it has some cancellation on it? - but what if the cancellation isn't something that is widely accepted or in BPHS? Could it be some "currupt" information that just seems to be truth because it's found online? If there was no internet would this information be accepted by astrologers? "
In the end I think the word "bhanga" / "cancellation" is too harsh...instead, certain factors perhaps only just dilute effects of MPY.
Like jupiter with sun in pisces lagna, may be diluting the hamsa yoga a good 75% or so.
but Jupiter with 9th lord sun in Sagittarius lagna maye only dilute it 25% or less. etc.
but of course, I don't know for sure.
And good point made on using moon as alternative lagna....as if a MPY conjunct moon is cancelled, then that is also saying MPY can only happen in houses 4-7-10 from moon lagna.
dear friends, now I am putting one horoscope. once in a life times only such horoscope is came. so much is there to learn from this one. it is a very very rare horoscope ah. kindly you see down
before that - one Mr Ernst Wilhelm is making a drawing of Shani. Kindly you see that one ah
any resemblance is there ah with this gentlemans?
now see his horoscope
here you see. Kuja is with Moon. Can we be able to say that he is not having Ruchaka yoga? He was a I.P.S. officer (commission 1964 west Bengal cadre) - then the prime minister of India is herself choosing him to be chief of Intelligence Bureau. He was adviser to the prime minister of India on matters related to state intelligence and security. he was part of the security entourage of the former Prime Minister. he took voliantry retirement and became an advocate in the supreme court. he returned to his home town to look after his father who was blind. He was a Batchelor through his life and was a ardent devotee of Vishnu, who for years prayed at the Padmanabha swamy temple thrice a day, and lived by eating Naivedyam from the temple.
in 2009 he did the unthinkable. He filed a petition that culminated in the dramatic opening of the temple's vaults, uncovering a treasure that some estimate is worth over Rs.1 lakh crore. It has turned Kerala's largest temple into what could be the world's richest place of worship. It has electrified a state that accounts for nearly 20 per cent of India's annual gold consumption of 936 tonnes. And it has raised complicated questions of ownership.
Sundararajan was part of a seven-member panel formed by the Supreme Court that entered and inspected the six vaults around the sanctum sanctorum.
Now here what means see the horoscope closely. Kindly see how much of influence if there of Shani in this chart. 7 Grahas out of 9 are influenced powerfully By Shani. The lagna is in Pushya nakshatra. See the strength of the neechabhanga of Shani. See the exchange between Kuja and Shani.
My request is what means - kindly don't take all this new age "tatwas" invented by "new age astrologers". stick to the basics. no two horoscopes are the same. Each horoscope is different. never go to make a prediction / or assessment - unless the person the horoscope belongs to, gives you a through history of his life. See - a doctor will take a persons entire medical history before he makes a diagnosis. even the best doctor in the world will ask " may I know what the problem is". mental doctor is asking one full gone case mental patient - what is happening to you? I asked doctor - if he is knowing what is happening to him will he come ah to see you? what a
. doctor is telling that is the protocol. what a .
I am asking - what is wrong in astrologer asking the queriest background? in medicine doctor are dealing with only health. in astrology we are dealing with an entire life. from birth to death. yet we are never asking what the back ground of the queriest is. this is the reason we make stupid assessessments and became asses in the process. what the person is doing with his/her free will we don't know. better to ask no.
in this horoscope - some people might say sun exaltation is cancelled because Saturn is there. but when we see the event of this mans life - can we able to tell his sun is debilitated ah? people will hit for us with a chapal. frank to frank I am asking - can we be able to say that Moon is cancel for the ruchaka yoga? what a . we cannot be able to say that one friends. if we say means then we are biggest fools. I am not analysing more this horoscope why means here all persons are competent to make assessment. why he did not get a marry -answer if there in front of you all only. kindly you see one by one. His ruchaka yoga was so strong - he died in front of the temple only.
Another what means panchamahapurasha yoga effect is given in almost all texts. BPHS is very short description of effects. but if you see more and more texts and compile the effects mentioned - you will be able to judge the yoga better.
again my request - see in internet peoples who are making website and forum lists in [No Personal Contact Details on Public Forum] and all, they are writing one two sensational untrue bull S&^it story and nonsense to make their web site sensational. when they are writing nonsense, peoples are reading that. more people read means better Search engine optimisation. this is a dirty game peoples are playing - abusing jyotish in the process. please you don't go for this type of website ah.
before that - one Mr Ernst Wilhelm is making a drawing of Shani. Kindly you see that one ah
any resemblance is there ah with this gentlemans?
now see his horoscope
here you see. Kuja is with Moon. Can we be able to say that he is not having Ruchaka yoga? He was a I.P.S. officer (commission 1964 west Bengal cadre) - then the prime minister of India is herself choosing him to be chief of Intelligence Bureau. He was adviser to the prime minister of India on matters related to state intelligence and security. he was part of the security entourage of the former Prime Minister. he took voliantry retirement and became an advocate in the supreme court. he returned to his home town to look after his father who was blind. He was a Batchelor through his life and was a ardent devotee of Vishnu, who for years prayed at the Padmanabha swamy temple thrice a day, and lived by eating Naivedyam from the temple.
in 2009 he did the unthinkable. He filed a petition that culminated in the dramatic opening of the temple's vaults, uncovering a treasure that some estimate is worth over Rs.1 lakh crore. It has turned Kerala's largest temple into what could be the world's richest place of worship. It has electrified a state that accounts for nearly 20 per cent of India's annual gold consumption of 936 tonnes. And it has raised complicated questions of ownership.
Sundararajan was part of a seven-member panel formed by the Supreme Court that entered and inspected the six vaults around the sanctum sanctorum.
Now here what means see the horoscope closely. Kindly see how much of influence if there of Shani in this chart. 7 Grahas out of 9 are influenced powerfully By Shani. The lagna is in Pushya nakshatra. See the strength of the neechabhanga of Shani. See the exchange between Kuja and Shani.
My request is what means - kindly don't take all this new age "tatwas" invented by "new age astrologers". stick to the basics. no two horoscopes are the same. Each horoscope is different. never go to make a prediction / or assessment - unless the person the horoscope belongs to, gives you a through history of his life. See - a doctor will take a persons entire medical history before he makes a diagnosis. even the best doctor in the world will ask " may I know what the problem is". mental doctor is asking one full gone case mental patient - what is happening to you? I asked doctor - if he is knowing what is happening to him will he come ah to see you? what a
. doctor is telling that is the protocol. what a .I am asking - what is wrong in astrologer asking the queriest background? in medicine doctor are dealing with only health. in astrology we are dealing with an entire life. from birth to death. yet we are never asking what the back ground of the queriest is. this is the reason we make stupid assessessments and became asses in the process. what the person is doing with his/her free will we don't know. better to ask no.
in this horoscope - some people might say sun exaltation is cancelled because Saturn is there. but when we see the event of this mans life - can we able to tell his sun is debilitated ah? people will hit for us with a chapal. frank to frank I am asking - can we be able to say that Moon is cancel for the ruchaka yoga? what a
. we cannot be able to say that one friends. if we say means then we are biggest fools. I am not analysing more this horoscope why means here all persons are competent to make assessment. why he did not get a marry -answer if there in front of you all only. kindly you see one by one. His ruchaka yoga was so strong - he died in front of the temple only. Another what means panchamahapurasha yoga effect is given in almost all texts. BPHS is very short description of effects. but if you see more and more texts and compile the effects mentioned - you will be able to judge the yoga better.
again my request - see in internet peoples who are making website and forum lists in [No Personal Contact Details on Public Forum] and all, they are writing one two sensational untrue bull S&^it story and nonsense to make their web site sensational. when they are writing nonsense, peoples are reading that. more people read means better Search engine optimisation. this is a dirty game peoples are playing - abusing jyotish in the process. please you don't go for this type of website ah.
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Was reading a book "light on life" astrology by Hart de Fouw and Robert Svoboda, two astrologers I first heard about from old forum member on here "astroboy".
anyway I noticed in the example chart section Hitler + Albert Einstine's charts are two of the examples...
and with both, the authors spoke on and on about their Mahaparush yogas, Ruchaka for hitler and Malavya for Einstine. With no mention of them being cancelled due to conjunction with sun (and jup/saturn association for einstine too).
So they are two astrologers who clearly also ignore these Bhanga's....
Oh and they even mentioned Hamsa yoga from Hitler's Chandra lagna....but Jupiter is conjunct moon there in sagittarius...
(they did mention it was weaker though for other reasons, I forgot at the moment. Explained almost everything in his life thanks to his Ruchaka yoga...)
anyway I noticed in the example chart section Hitler + Albert Einstine's charts are two of the examples...
and with both, the authors spoke on and on about their Mahaparush yogas, Ruchaka for hitler and Malavya for Einstine. With no mention of them being cancelled due to conjunction with sun (and jup/saturn association for einstine too).
So they are two astrologers who clearly also ignore these Bhanga's....
Oh and they even mentioned Hamsa yoga from Hitler's Chandra lagna....but Jupiter is conjunct moon there in sagittarius...
(they did mention it was weaker though for other reasons, I forgot at the moment. Explained almost everything in his life thanks to his Ruchaka yoga...)
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finding it disrespectful that khoo hasn't responded to howzat one bit.
so someone disagrees with you and you just ignore them? does the learned member not deserve a response?
so someone disagrees with you and you just ignore them? does the learned member not deserve a response?
I notice that happens a lot, hiimnotcool.
And I was thinking the same thing...which is partially the reason I "bumped" the thread up with the previous message.
but then I figured, like all astro "disagreements" on here from any member, it's 99.99% going to just be a case of "sorry no, I'm right and you're wrong" back and forth, sadly.
Let us hope this time it's different.
Otherwise I'm inclined to agree with Svoboda and others that there is no Bhanga, since in my opinion and if I "had" to choose - I feel their astro knowledge trumps Vic's.
Mostly based on looking at charts of people I know (+myself) with MPY's, yet they are "bhanga"...however the people seem to display the qualities of the MPY in spades.
But of course I can be wrong, and I actually do look forward to having my mind changed (If my feelings are incorrect). But what I want is something that makes me understand why I'm wrong, and not just have to "agree" reluctantly because the astrologer said "trust me, you're wrong".
And I was thinking the same thing...which is partially the reason I "bumped" the thread up with the previous message.
but then I figured, like all astro "disagreements" on here from any member, it's 99.99% going to just be a case of "sorry no, I'm right and you're wrong" back and forth, sadly.
Let us hope this time it's different.
Otherwise I'm inclined to agree with Svoboda and others that there is no Bhanga, since in my opinion and if I "had" to choose - I feel their astro knowledge trumps Vic's.
Mostly based on looking at charts of people I know (+myself) with MPY's, yet they are "bhanga"...however the people seem to display the qualities of the MPY in spades.
But of course I can be wrong, and I actually do look forward to having my mind changed (If my feelings are incorrect). But what I want is something that makes me understand why I'm wrong, and not just have to "agree" reluctantly because the astrologer said "trust me, you're wrong".
Respected members,
My Saturn is in 7th house in Aquarius in my D-1 chart at 0°54' as well as in Bhava Chart. My Moon is in 4th house debilitated but goes in 5th house in my Bhava Chart. In my KP chart Saturn moves into the 6th house.
Does this mean my MPY is cancelled. Please explain this to me?
My DOB is 22/09/1993 03:16 a.m Asansol, W.B India.
Please help me out.
My Saturn is in 7th house in Aquarius in my D-1 chart at 0°54' as well as in Bhava Chart. My Moon is in 4th house debilitated but goes in 5th house in my Bhava Chart. In my KP chart Saturn moves into the 6th house.
Does this mean my MPY is cancelled. Please explain this to me?
My DOB is 22/09/1993 03:16 a.m Asansol, W.B India.
Please help me out.
PV1993,
Seems your worried about your MPY because of the low degree of saturn - and seeing how it shifts in bhava chart or KP cusp chart...
Well, unfortunately I don't have the exact answer, but I would assume you need not worry - as not only does many celebrity charts with MPY have those planets shift houses in the cusp or bhava chart, yet most of all astrologers agree they still have the MPY - best example as it's similar to yours in degrees is Narendra Modi. Who's MPY causing mars is at 0.56' degrees and many agree he has MPY.
No I dont think yogas get cancelled if planets shift in bhava/kp chart...otherwise many articles and books from professional astrologers all need re-writing, and they need to use bhava/kp charts instead of the regular rasi. ....which isn't the case. So that tells me, that no your yogas that shift houses aren't cancelled. perhaps "tweaked" effects in some way, but that wasn't the question (Im not going to get into assuming what exact effects happen with a yoga that shifts in cusp charts..) point being, you have MPY as far as I'm concerned,
and if anyone disagree's then they're saying Modi also doesn't, aswell as other celebrities I've seen who's yogas shift in bhava/kp! So if that is true (that they are cancelled) then I say "who cares" then, as you're in good company with many great successful people who had planets involved in yogas shift in the kp/bhava chart!
Seems your worried about your MPY because of the low degree of saturn - and seeing how it shifts in bhava chart or KP cusp chart...
Well, unfortunately I don't have the exact answer, but I would assume you need not worry - as not only does many celebrity charts with MPY have those planets shift houses in the cusp or bhava chart, yet most of all astrologers agree they still have the MPY - best example as it's similar to yours in degrees is Narendra Modi. Who's MPY causing mars is at 0.56' degrees and many agree he has MPY.
No I dont think yogas get cancelled if planets shift in bhava/kp chart...otherwise many articles and books from professional astrologers all need re-writing, and they need to use bhava/kp charts instead of the regular rasi. ....which isn't the case. So that tells me, that no your yogas that shift houses aren't cancelled. perhaps "tweaked" effects in some way, but that wasn't the question (Im not going to get into assuming what exact effects happen with a yoga that shifts in cusp charts..) point being, you have MPY as far as I'm concerned,
and if anyone disagree's then they're saying Modi also doesn't, aswell as other celebrities I've seen who's yogas shift in bhava/kp! So if that is true (that they are cancelled) then I say "who cares" then, as you're in good company with many great successful people who had planets involved in yogas shift in the kp/bhava chart!
In Mansagari a verse suggests how luminaries modify Mahapurush yogas. However Mansagari is a later day compilation so this maybe a later idea or observation.
Translation: When Mars etc. (Mercury, Jupiter, Venus, Saturday) are in Kendra in exaltation and conjunct with Sun or Moon then they don't make the native a king. They however give good results in their Dasha.
Rathore
Translation: When Mars etc. (Mercury, Jupiter, Venus, Saturday) are in Kendra in exaltation and conjunct with Sun or Moon then they don't make the native a king. They however give good results in their Dasha.
Rathore
Thank you GNE for the reply. My MPY seems quite strong as Saturn is exalted in D-9 , it is strong in the Shodasvargas, it occurs from both Moon & Lagna and to top it off it recieves benefic aspect of its great friend Venus.
The only problem is............. Saturn MD starts for me in 2093.
Since Saturn is my 7th lord and Venus aspects it and both are strong in my navamsha, do you think my wife is gonna affect me hugely?
NOW COMING BACK TO THE TOPIC, I have read the article on MPY bhanga in Saptarishis astrology. The author seems to have utillized the shlokas from Mansagiri and Devakeralam to create this concept. Without exhaustive testing considering all factors as howzat mentioned it won't be possible to dish it out as an acceptable theory.
The only problem is............. Saturn MD starts for me in 2093.
Since Saturn is my 7th lord and Venus aspects it and both are strong in my navamsha, do you think my wife is gonna affect me hugely?
NOW COMING BACK TO THE TOPIC, I have read the article on MPY bhanga in Saptarishis astrology. The author seems to have utillized the shlokas from Mansagiri and Devakeralam to create this concept. Without exhaustive testing considering all factors as howzat mentioned it won't be possible to dish it out as an acceptable theory.
dear friends I am taking long time down load that AIAC Volume 10 ah. finally I am doing that one. before I give commentary on this
http://lightonvedicastrology.com/vedic- ... aha-yuddha
Here Vaughn Ji is clear
the examples used
Pamela Anderson
Mother Theresa (data doubtful)
walter Mondale
Karl Marx
Judd Hirsch
So - to show Panchamahapurasha yoga bhanga - they used the horoscope of a sex symbol known world wide, a saint and Nobel laureate, a vice president of the united states of America, a man who virtually defined and invented socialism, and finally a multiple award winning Hollywood actor.
then they say that these people have a yoga bhanga. -
firstly let me talk about vici dici ditum - sun and moon is cancelling pancha mahapurusha yoga. GNE ji has told about Svoboda and light on life. Our very own Mr Vaughn Paul ji has told about hitler -by Khoo Hock Leong » 19 Feb 2015 03:01
The other bhangas are from AIAC Volume 10 under Mars column. You can read it under the ISSU Website. I believe the website is under Saptarishis Astrology.
Mars exalted in angle - Saturn conjunction with Mars or Mars aspects Saturn
Mercury exalted in angle - Mercury conjunction with Jupiter or Jupiter aspects Mercury
Jupiter exalted in angle - Moon conjunction with Mars or Mars aspects Moon
Venus exalted in angle - Jupiter conjunction with Saturn or Saturn aspects Jupiter
Saturn exalted in angle - Venus conjunct Mercury (Venus cannot aspect Mercury except in divisional chartsommentary on this
http://lightonvedicastrology.com/vedic- ... aha-yuddha
Here Vaughn Ji is clear
now I will came to the other cancellation as in AICC times volume 10.It should be noted that Venus is also closely aspected by Saturn in addition to being conjunct with Mars. Mars additionally increases in strength due to being in a ruchaka mahapurusha yoga. Both Mars and Venus are involved in multiple raja yogas and dana yogas with Mercury, the Sun and Saturn. These are factors that do play into the effect of Mars and Venus.
the examples used
Pamela Anderson
Mother Theresa (data doubtful)
walter Mondale
Karl Marx
Judd Hirsch
So - to show Panchamahapurasha yoga bhanga - they used the horoscope of a sex symbol known world wide, a saint and Nobel laureate, a vice president of the united states of America, a man who virtually defined and invented socialism, and finally a multiple award winning Hollywood actor.
then they say that these people have a yoga bhanga. -
Your welcome, and yes if saturn is exalted in d9 as well, + other shodasvargas, that only helps the MPY...
shame about the MD in 2093. ...though planets in saturn's nakshatra, or the planet that is saturn's nakshatra lord could give some effect of the MPY during it's MD and saturn AD.
Even venus MD-saturn AD , since venus aspects it you said, which means it must be mutual (venus only aspect 7th from..or conjunct). Or did you mean venus aspects only in d9, but even still then that period could likely bring romance/marriage then.
Yes I would assume this shows your wife is going to affect you quite a bit, with 7th lord in own sign....then again, most wives affect people hugely, as they are the wife. Depends on what you meant by 'affect'...
But thats probably best to ask in another thread, as not to derail this from MPY's...
also I'm not at all a relationship-chart expert. It's one of my least studied topic (wife/marriage)
And I agree on the MPY bhanga articles, I've seen them before too....but do still question if they are legit or not.
As firstly, we'd have to test the concepts out on a variety of charts. I never agree with fully accepting some "rule" especially if it's from a website and not a classic text , without testing it out first.
Because like Howzat said, there's been many examples of people that have such Bhanga but seem to have MPY acting in full effect still.
I use myself as example too with malavya yoga...(I have sat / jup aspect...so it's "bhanga" apparently),
but yet I've had other astrologers who I've spoken to in 'real life' (skype..) say without a doubt that I have malavya working for me...
So causes me to go : "hmm...needs further testing"
shame about the MD in 2093. ...though planets in saturn's nakshatra, or the planet that is saturn's nakshatra lord could give some effect of the MPY during it's MD and saturn AD.
Even venus MD-saturn AD , since venus aspects it you said, which means it must be mutual (venus only aspect 7th from..or conjunct). Or did you mean venus aspects only in d9, but even still then that period could likely bring romance/marriage then.
Yes I would assume this shows your wife is going to affect you quite a bit, with 7th lord in own sign....then again, most wives affect people hugely, as they are the wife.
Depends on what you meant by 'affect'... But thats probably best to ask in another thread, as not to derail this from MPY's...
also I'm not at all a relationship-chart expert. It's one of my least studied topic (wife/marriage)
And I agree on the MPY bhanga articles, I've seen them before too....but do still question if they are legit or not.
As firstly, we'd have to test the concepts out on a variety of charts. I never agree with fully accepting some "rule" especially if it's from a website and not a classic text , without testing it out first.
Because like Howzat said, there's been many examples of people that have such Bhanga but seem to have MPY acting in full effect still.
I use myself as example too with malavya yoga...(I have sat / jup aspect...so it's "bhanga" apparently),
but yet I've had other astrologers who I've spoken to in 'real life' (skype..) say without a doubt that I have malavya working for me...
So causes me to go : "hmm...needs further testing"
No actually I meant Saturn is in 7th in Aquarius & Venus in Leo in D-1 & mutually aspect each other whereas Saturn is in Libra & Venus in Taurus in Navamsha.
I agree that MPY might not be fully be bhanga but may be diluted. Since many cases & probabilities emerge like my own & ones mentioned by howzat, I believe the bhanga may be just another form of dilution.
Also a point that is to be noted that BPHS generally lists the maximum benefic/malefic effects of yogas that can occur, so I believe a true MPY devoid of diluting factors is truly a rarity.
I agree that MPY might not be fully be bhanga but may be diluted. Since many cases & probabilities emerge like my own & ones mentioned by howzat, I believe the bhanga may be just another form of dilution.
Also a point that is to be noted that BPHS generally lists the maximum benefic/malefic effects of yogas that can occur, so I believe a true MPY devoid of diluting factors is truly a rarity.
Dear Khoo,
A conjunction of Moon with exalted Mars in Kendra will nullify the Ruchika Mahapurusha Yoga ? I had a consultation with Vaun Paul Manley Ji few months back for my son who had this conjunction in his 4th house. He says that the boy has a strong Ruchika Yoga ? Do you think the Ruchika Yoga is strong because of some other reason in his chart ?
I feel he also seems to have a powerful Raja Yoga with the conjunction of 10L & 9L with Rahu in Kendra , 7L & 9 L with Rahu in Kendra. A Maha Parivartana Yoga between Sun and Saturn in the 5th and 11th houses. A NBRY of Jupiter in Kendra.
DOB - Feb/21/2009
TOB - 23:50
POB - Hackensack, NJ , USA
Thanks & Regards
Aravind
A conjunction of Moon with exalted Mars in Kendra will nullify the Ruchika Mahapurusha Yoga ? I had a consultation with Vaun Paul Manley Ji few months back for my son who had this conjunction in his 4th house. He says that the boy has a strong Ruchika Yoga ? Do you think the Ruchika Yoga is strong because of some other reason in his chart ?
I feel he also seems to have a powerful Raja Yoga with the conjunction of 10L & 9L with Rahu in Kendra , 7L & 9 L with Rahu in Kendra. A Maha Parivartana Yoga between Sun and Saturn in the 5th and 11th houses. A NBRY of Jupiter in Kendra.
DOB - Feb/21/2009
TOB - 23:50
POB - Hackensack, NJ , USA
Thanks & Regards
Aravind
Aravind, no offense but did you read the other replies in the thread besides the first few post from Khoo?
because your answer is there among the whole thread...
but long story short it's basically: " everyone disagrees with everyone... khoo says something, someone else says something else, a third astrologer says another things.."
your sons Ruchaka yoga is there if you believe Vaughn Paul, or its not if you believe these articles.
There's no 100% answer here, I mean why ask Khoo if you heard from Vaughn Paul? No offense to Khoo, I just mean one astrologer will say something different.
So you ask Khoo, he'll give his answer, but then you could go and ask Howzat, or maybe go get a reading from KN Rao , etc... and they'll say different things than the first astrologers.
So the reason Vaughn Paul said ruchika is strong, is because Vaughn paul believes it's strong.
Not because of some other reason due to bhanga. Vaughn paul clearly doesn't believe in then bhanga (based on articles he's written too).
Those other yogas are great anyway, so ruchika bhanga or not, your sons chart looked positive.
because your answer is there among the whole thread...
but long story short it's basically: " everyone disagrees with everyone... khoo says something, someone else says something else, a third astrologer says another things.."
your sons Ruchaka yoga is there if you believe Vaughn Paul, or its not if you believe these articles.
There's no 100% answer here, I mean why ask Khoo if you heard from Vaughn Paul? No offense to Khoo, I just mean one astrologer will say something different.
So you ask Khoo, he'll give his answer, but then you could go and ask Howzat, or maybe go get a reading from KN Rao , etc... and they'll say different things than the first astrologers.
So the reason Vaughn Paul said ruchika is strong, is because Vaughn paul believes it's strong.
Not because of some other reason due to bhanga. Vaughn paul clearly doesn't believe in then bhanga (based on articles he's written too).
Those other yogas are great anyway, so ruchika bhanga or not, your sons chart looked positive.
howwzzat sir
Your responses always have something for me to learn from͵ no matter whether you agree or disagree with the OT. As a mere learner I am not persumptous to discuss this topic at your level. But I would like to know your thoughts on one point - Whether we can confirm MPY with the presence or absence of other distinguishing marks in the body. Just FYI - In one of the threads elipsis ji had mentioned something like - a person with bhadra MPY would have a thick mole on the thigh or knee. I found it interesting as I have Sagi lagna with mercury exalted in 10H.. and I do have a big mole - BUT actually below the right ribs almost at the waist level. Similarly whether palmistry etc can reliably indicate the yoga / bhangas..?
Your responses always have something for me to learn from͵ no matter whether you agree or disagree with the OT. As a mere learner I am not persumptous to discuss this topic at your level. But I would like to know your thoughts on one point - Whether we can confirm MPY with the presence or absence of other distinguishing marks in the body. Just FYI - In one of the threads elipsis ji had mentioned something like - a person with bhadra MPY would have a thick mole on the thigh or knee. I found it interesting as I have Sagi lagna with mercury exalted in 10H.. and I do have a big mole - BUT actually below the right ribs almost at the waist level. Similarly whether palmistry etc can reliably indicate the yoga / bhangas..?
dear hari 766, and all my other friends,
before I am answering your question, I am firstly wanting to write about the Manasagari text. In the Manasagari text that I am having, the translator is quoting the sloka for bhanga and giving the example of our ex prime minister P.V.Narasimha Rao to illustrate a Mahapurasha yoga bhanga.
In the same book, The same learned translator ignore the sloka pertaining to the Bhanga, and gives the example of Adolf Hitler to show how the Ruchaka yoga is working.
In this forum, once before I had a debate with one Har Har Mahadev, whose only purpose seems to have been to fight with me, ignoring reality and logic. When we come to Hitler's chart we must understand one point very clearely - no astrologer in his sane mind will dare to say that Hiter did not have a Ruchaka yoga - because the result is glaring in front of our eyes even after decades of his death.
Mr mahadev is having one argument - why hitler's mahadasha of Kuja yield bad results? her we must understand one point -
Hitler's kuja is associated with all the three dusthana lords + the badaka lord Ravi. Another important point - This Kuja is in a war with the lagna lord and the 8th lord Shukra. in kuja dasha if kuja does not give the effect of the dusthana lords that are associated with him - what other effect will he give my dear friends? that simple we must think.
Dr B.V. Raman states that Hitler had a strong Ruchaka Mahapurasha yoga, and he goes on to explain why he went to jail during Kuja dasha.
If you see hitler's dasha scheme means you will see that he went through Venus / sun / Moon / mars / and Rahu Mahadashas. The foundation to his rise was sent in the dasha of Mars. Nobody can deny that. It is only people who want to argue for the sake of argument that say that hitler's kuja dasha was bad.
why I am telling this means - the translator of Manasagari has taken Mr Narasimha Rao's horoscope and committed the same fatal mistake of assuming a yoga bhanga - when actually - the situation and the reason is very different.
The horoscope of Shri P V Narasimha Rao, ex-Prime Minister of India (Birth time 12:49’ LMT) is given below. He was born on the 28th of June 1921 at 12:49′ PM LMT (Local time) in Karimnagar, India (Long:79E09′, Lat:18N26′).
what is the reality if ask means - reality is like this. Budha who is giving the M.P.Y. in the 10th bhava is sitting with the 3rd and 8th lord Kuja + the pure 12th lord Ravi. Both are digbala please note. Thus their propensity to do even is great. Still he is became the prime minister of India and ruled for 5 years. friends kindly close your eyes and think for a minute ah - can we say that the Bhadra mahapurasha yoga is not there? Here please note - the Bhadra mahapurasha yoga is there from all three lagnas - namely the udaya lagna / Chandra lagna / surya lagna.
one special about bhadra yoga what means - this yoga is came only for Meena, mithuna, kanya, and dhanur rashis. Now I will answer Hari 766
sir, see for example, for hamsa yoga - His legs will have the markings of a conch, lotus, fish and ankusha. see sir, the text is often using bombastic words and description. we cannot be able to take into consideration fully that one. in later texts, the physical description of person having the yoga is kept aside and the other effects of the yoga is spoken about. So we cannot be able to bank on physical description mentioned for mahapurasha yogas.
before I am answering your question, I am firstly wanting to write about the Manasagari text. In the Manasagari text that I am having, the translator is quoting the sloka for bhanga and giving the example of our ex prime minister P.V.Narasimha Rao to illustrate a Mahapurasha yoga bhanga.
In the same book, The same learned translator ignore the sloka pertaining to the Bhanga, and gives the example of Adolf Hitler to show how the Ruchaka yoga is working.
In this forum, once before I had a debate with one Har Har Mahadev, whose only purpose seems to have been to fight with me, ignoring reality and logic. When we come to Hitler's chart we must understand one point very clearely - no astrologer in his sane mind will dare to say that Hiter did not have a Ruchaka yoga - because the result is glaring in front of our eyes even after decades of his death.
Mr mahadev is having one argument - why hitler's mahadasha of Kuja yield bad results? her we must understand one point -
Hitler's kuja is associated with all the three dusthana lords + the badaka lord Ravi. Another important point - This Kuja is in a war with the lagna lord and the 8th lord Shukra. in kuja dasha if kuja does not give the effect of the dusthana lords that are associated with him - what other effect will he give my dear friends? that simple we must think.
Dr B.V. Raman states that Hitler had a strong Ruchaka Mahapurasha yoga, and he goes on to explain why he went to jail during Kuja dasha.
If you see hitler's dasha scheme means you will see that he went through Venus / sun / Moon / mars / and Rahu Mahadashas. The foundation to his rise was sent in the dasha of Mars. Nobody can deny that. It is only people who want to argue for the sake of argument that say that hitler's kuja dasha was bad.
why I am telling this means - the translator of Manasagari has taken Mr Narasimha Rao's horoscope and committed the same fatal mistake of assuming a yoga bhanga - when actually - the situation and the reason is very different.
The horoscope of Shri P V Narasimha Rao, ex-Prime Minister of India (Birth time 12:49’ LMT) is given below. He was born on the 28th of June 1921 at 12:49′ PM LMT (Local time) in Karimnagar, India (Long:79E09′, Lat:18N26′).
what is the reality if ask means - reality is like this. Budha who is giving the M.P.Y. in the 10th bhava is sitting with the 3rd and 8th lord Kuja + the pure 12th lord Ravi. Both are digbala please note. Thus their propensity to do even is great. Still he is became the prime minister of India and ruled for 5 years. friends kindly close your eyes and think for a minute ah - can we say that the Bhadra mahapurasha yoga is not there? Here please note - the Bhadra mahapurasha yoga is there from all three lagnas - namely the udaya lagna / Chandra lagna / surya lagna.
one special about bhadra yoga what means - this yoga is came only for Meena, mithuna, kanya, and dhanur rashis. Now I will answer Hari 766
sir, see for example, for hamsa yoga - His legs will have the markings of a conch, lotus, fish and ankusha. see sir, the text is often using bombastic words and description. we cannot be able to take into consideration fully that one. in later texts, the physical description of person having the yoga is kept aside and the other effects of the yoga is spoken about. So we cannot be able to bank on physical description mentioned for mahapurasha yogas.
