Kendrapati dosha question
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AstroRaman
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I think its the "True Node / Mean Node" setting which is placing Rahu in 8th / 7th respectively..
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Khoo Hock Leong
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GNE :
Sometimes in astrology, a lot of factors get enmeshed with one another.
Your Jupiter in Capricorn in 8th, means the ruler of positive houses goes into a Dusthana, technically it should be bad. But then there is a theory about Dusthanas that a debilitated planet there gives rise to a Raja Yoga whether 3rd, 6th, 8th or 12th.
Now 8th is 2nd to the 7th which means the maraka of the 7th ie. failure of matters pertaining to the 7th gets a turnaround and you get success. And also Jupiter is a friend to Mercury ie. to the Lagna and Lagna Lord and you get all round general success. Plus Jupiter is a great natural benefic. 8th is also 11th to the 10th which can destroy the10th - gains hard to come by because 8th is a dusthana and 11th of a bhava does destroy that bhava besides giving gains. Again because of Jupiter debilitation in the 8th and ruling the 10th, 10th will come up tops.
Note there is an article by Michael Laughrin on how to evaluate neecha planets for different Ascendant types and for different planets.
This means the kendrapathi dosa of a natural benefic gets eclipsed by the various factors enumerated.
Your friend with Jupiter in Sagittarius by right should be good since it is a Mahapurusha Yoga. Why is it bad?
One reason could be that Jupiter is in a house opposite its digbala house. But that should not cause so much agony.
Have you analysed the drekkanas? According to Michael Laughrin, the 1st drekkana of Sagittarius usually gives bad results. Planetary ruler there (by sign and by 1st drekkana) only makes it worse. It is an armed drekkana so the theme of violence is there like being abused by others. It depicts a centaur stopping on its way to hermitage to look at his treasure. Sagittarius denotes half man and half chaturped. So the person is estopped from completing his karma properly in this current lifetime.
Plus it coincides with Moola Nakshatra where the ruler is ketu. This is ketu's last nakshatra so it can you take you to the top of the world or the depths of the ocean depending on ketu's placement in the chart. And for a Gemini Ascendant, Jupiter rules the 10th as well. Also 7th is the 10th of the 10th. So the workplace or career theme comes into play.
Anyway I am not saying your friend is having Jupiter in the 1st drekkana of Sagittarius. Just telling you a lot of factors in astrology can come into play.
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Khoo
Sometimes in astrology, a lot of factors get enmeshed with one another.
Your Jupiter in Capricorn in 8th, means the ruler of positive houses goes into a Dusthana, technically it should be bad. But then there is a theory about Dusthanas that a debilitated planet there gives rise to a Raja Yoga whether 3rd, 6th, 8th or 12th.
Now 8th is 2nd to the 7th which means the maraka of the 7th ie. failure of matters pertaining to the 7th gets a turnaround and you get success. And also Jupiter is a friend to Mercury ie. to the Lagna and Lagna Lord and you get all round general success. Plus Jupiter is a great natural benefic. 8th is also 11th to the 10th which can destroy the10th - gains hard to come by because 8th is a dusthana and 11th of a bhava does destroy that bhava besides giving gains. Again because of Jupiter debilitation in the 8th and ruling the 10th, 10th will come up tops.
Note there is an article by Michael Laughrin on how to evaluate neecha planets for different Ascendant types and for different planets.
This means the kendrapathi dosa of a natural benefic gets eclipsed by the various factors enumerated.
Your friend with Jupiter in Sagittarius by right should be good since it is a Mahapurusha Yoga. Why is it bad?
One reason could be that Jupiter is in a house opposite its digbala house. But that should not cause so much agony.
Have you analysed the drekkanas? According to Michael Laughrin, the 1st drekkana of Sagittarius usually gives bad results. Planetary ruler there (by sign and by 1st drekkana) only makes it worse. It is an armed drekkana so the theme of violence is there like being abused by others. It depicts a centaur stopping on its way to hermitage to look at his treasure. Sagittarius denotes half man and half chaturped. So the person is estopped from completing his karma properly in this current lifetime.
Plus it coincides with Moola Nakshatra where the ruler is ketu. This is ketu's last nakshatra so it can you take you to the top of the world or the depths of the ocean depending on ketu's placement in the chart. And for a Gemini Ascendant, Jupiter rules the 10th as well. Also 7th is the 10th of the 10th. So the workplace or career theme comes into play.
Anyway I am not saying your friend is having Jupiter in the 1st drekkana of Sagittarius. Just telling you a lot of factors in astrology can come into play.
Best Regards
Khoo
Hey Khoo, thank you many times for that reply.
Oh and AstroRaman, good observation, I believe you're right. Thats why rahu was changing signs.
Khoo,
I too have read about the debilitated planet in 3,6,8,12 giving possible raj yoga (back when researching into my jup placement and wondering why it didn't seem to give much negative effect to me)
Very interesting what you wrote about the position of it, being 2nd to 7th and 11th to 10th and how due to being debilitated in sort of helps the 7/10th (the other houses eventually come out on tops..)
Makes sense to me based on how my jupiter dasha went (10th not so damaged, and 7th in a career / partnership sense was good. ...though no romance/marriage, but that could be due to other factors in my chart causing me to not really care for it at that time and being more career focused).
I will search for this article by Michael Laughrin. Neecha planets are the most interesting to me, as they seem to hold hidden potentials in most charts. (like celebrities with 2-3 neech planets, etc...)
Most of all, like I said - my jup looks "Destroyed" at first glance to the untrained astrologer...but then they are often puzzled as to why my jupiter dasha brought very little negative, and how it was actually seemed to bring raj yoga (promoted quickly on jobs, given leadership positions,etc)
My friends jupiter is indeed in the 1st drekkena, yes.
very eye opening, I keep forgetting to check things like the drekkana's. ..
And most of the bad relationships he's had did become somewhat violent (well, more just threats and arguements with woman that resulted in dishes being thrown/broken,etc. one woman threw a plate at his head...)
In business he told me about how his other close friend at the time and him had a falling out that turned into a big wrestling match basically (fight).
fitting of this violent description you wrote about this drekkana.
Anyway, lots of nice tidbits, thank you
Oh and AstroRaman, good observation, I believe you're right. Thats why rahu was changing signs.
Khoo,
I too have read about the debilitated planet in 3,6,8,12 giving possible raj yoga (back when researching into my jup placement and wondering why it didn't seem to give much negative effect to me)
Very interesting what you wrote about the position of it, being 2nd to 7th and 11th to 10th and how due to being debilitated in sort of helps the 7/10th (the other houses eventually come out on tops..)
Makes sense to me based on how my jupiter dasha went (10th not so damaged, and 7th in a career / partnership sense was good. ...though no romance/marriage, but that could be due to other factors in my chart causing me to not really care for it at that time and being more career focused).
I will search for this article by Michael Laughrin. Neecha planets are the most interesting to me, as they seem to hold hidden potentials in most charts. (like celebrities with 2-3 neech planets, etc...)
Most of all, like I said - my jup looks "Destroyed" at first glance to the untrained astrologer...but then they are often puzzled as to why my jupiter dasha brought very little negative, and how it was actually seemed to bring raj yoga (promoted quickly on jobs, given leadership positions,etc)
My friends jupiter is indeed in the 1st drekkena, yes.
very eye opening, I keep forgetting to check things like the drekkana's. ..
And most of the bad relationships he's had did become somewhat violent (well, more just threats and arguements with woman that resulted in dishes being thrown/broken,etc. one woman threw a plate at his head...)
In business he told me about how his other close friend at the time and him had a falling out that turned into a big wrestling match basically (fight).
fitting of this violent description you wrote about this drekkana.
Anyway, lots of nice tidbits, thank you
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Khoo Hock Leong
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Yes, the other thing about the centaur is that he is looking over articles for sacrificial rites. This means the person's goals usually do not bear results. They are sacrificed to the altar.
The main theme however is that when an armed or serpent drekkana coincides with a dreadful nakshatra like mula, the drekkana becomes very bad. Plus this particular drekkana has imagery related to failure.
The main theme however is that when an armed or serpent drekkana coincides with a dreadful nakshatra like mula, the drekkana becomes very bad. Plus this particular drekkana has imagery related to failure.
Has all seemed to come true to him.
All business attempts have ended in failure and him making enemies... in fact I had to boot him from one of my work endeavors before too.
Though we remained friends , after a few weeks of awkardness.
He has 3 kids, though no contact with the mothers anymore (unmarried) but he has the kids with him. So the "kids" aspect of jupiter has come to fruition with him at least.
And by the way, I searched for a while and no luck finding the Michael Laughrin article on how to evaluate neecha planets for different Ascendant types. I found a site by him with articles of wisdom but none matched that. ?
Anyway, thanks again
All business attempts have ended in failure and him making enemies... in fact I had to boot him from one of my work endeavors before too.
Though we remained friends , after a few weeks of awkardness. He has 3 kids, though no contact with the mothers anymore (unmarried) but he has the kids with him. So the "kids" aspect of jupiter has come to fruition with him at least.
And by the way, I searched for a while and no luck finding the Michael Laughrin article on how to evaluate neecha planets for different Ascendant types. I found a site by him with articles of wisdom but none matched that. ?
Anyway, thanks again
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Khoo Hock Leong
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GNE :
The articles on Michael Laaughrin's website are those articles he sieved out as 'best' from his newsletter. He used to sieve out about 70% but after a makeover I think in 2010 (I got a survey from him on what I like to read), a lower percentage of articles make it to this site.
Subscribe to his newsletter. But there will be no retroactive copies available. Your access for the editions of the newsletter start at the point of your subscription.
The one on the neecha bhanga : it was I think in last year's newsletter.
The one on the drekkana : this year's newsletter there is a full article on drekkana (just past). The one mentioning about 1st drekkana of Sagittarius was mentioned in passing within a past article talking about some other thing. This article is about 2-3 years back which may or may not be in the article database but difficult to search because it is talking about some other thing.
Both topics above were not written by Michael Laughrin himself but his two able assistant female Jyotish writers (and I think his students) who are now qualifued Jyotishas. One of them went on to further study under Naendra...something - a famous Indian astrologer.
So just try to subscribe the newsletter. The two ladies are excellent Jyotishas and the latter one has a website of her own.
The articles on Michael Laaughrin's website are those articles he sieved out as 'best' from his newsletter. He used to sieve out about 70% but after a makeover I think in 2010 (I got a survey from him on what I like to read), a lower percentage of articles make it to this site.
Subscribe to his newsletter. But there will be no retroactive copies available. Your access for the editions of the newsletter start at the point of your subscription.
The one on the neecha bhanga : it was I think in last year's newsletter.
The one on the drekkana : this year's newsletter there is a full article on drekkana (just past). The one mentioning about 1st drekkana of Sagittarius was mentioned in passing within a past article talking about some other thing. This article is about 2-3 years back which may or may not be in the article database but difficult to search because it is talking about some other thing.
Both topics above were not written by Michael Laughrin himself but his two able assistant female Jyotish writers (and I think his students) who are now qualifued Jyotishas. One of them went on to further study under Naendra...something - a famous Indian astrologer.
So just try to subscribe the newsletter. The two ladies are excellent Jyotishas and the latter one has a website of her own.
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Khoo Hock Leong
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By the way Michael Laughrin and the two ladies and presumably Naendra who I think is also Michael Laughrin's guru - yes the teacher introducing his own teacher to the student - take both Rahu and Ketu as exalted in Scorpio.
As far as they are concerned, the nodes cast such a blind spot in our chart for us to tackle the world and ourselves successfully, that only Scorpio, the most occult of all the signs, can handle them successfully.
So both nodes cannot be exalted at the same time in a chart. If one is exalted, the other must be debilitated. This gives rise to two different kinds of spiritualists in the world. One of the Rahuian kind and other the Ketuian kind.
As far as they are concerned, the nodes cast such a blind spot in our chart for us to tackle the world and ourselves successfully, that only Scorpio, the most occult of all the signs, can handle them successfully.
So both nodes cannot be exalted at the same time in a chart. If one is exalted, the other must be debilitated. This gives rise to two different kinds of spiritualists in the world. One of the Rahuian kind and other the Ketuian kind.
Ah, yes, I did think after checking his site more that he didn't save every newsletter...as there didn't seem to be enough there. Figured I missed the debilitated planets for each ascendant one. I subscribed to his newsletter while I was there.
I'd assume the two ladies are trustworthy jyotishas especailly if selected by Michael , and I'd assume he has a brief check over what they write in the newsletter too.
Thanks for letting me know about him.
I did notice an article on the site mentioned Rahu/ketu exalted in scorpio...at first I thought it was a typo and he meant just ketu (then rahu exalted in taurus), but like you said here, it did seem they took both as loving scorpio.
Which is interesting, as I have rahu in scorpio in D9, and some astrologers have told me it's terrible/debilitated...
Makes sense in scorpio, ... and funny enough before I started doing more research into astrology, when I first was reading about what Rahu and Ketu were all about, I thought to myself "seems they'd be best in scorpio".
This was years ago when I was coming from tropical astrology.
Would the rahuian kind of spiritualist be more about new/trend breaking types of things and ketu is more traditional?
(in a spiritual sense)
anyway perhaps this is off topic... I assume it's best to wait until you (possibly) post a thread about the revelation that Rahu/ketu are exalted in scorpio.
(unless you did already of course)
I'd assume the two ladies are trustworthy jyotishas especailly if selected by Michael , and I'd assume he has a brief check over what they write in the newsletter too.
Thanks for letting me know about him.
I did notice an article on the site mentioned Rahu/ketu exalted in scorpio...at first I thought it was a typo and he meant just ketu (then rahu exalted in taurus), but like you said here, it did seem they took both as loving scorpio.
Which is interesting, as I have rahu in scorpio in D9, and some astrologers have told me it's terrible/debilitated...
Makes sense in scorpio, ... and funny enough before I started doing more research into astrology, when I first was reading about what Rahu and Ketu were all about, I thought to myself "seems they'd be best in scorpio".
This was years ago when I was coming from tropical astrology.
Would the rahuian kind of spiritualist be more about new/trend breaking types of things and ketu is more traditional?
(in a spiritual sense)
anyway perhaps this is off topic... I assume it's best to wait until you (possibly) post a thread about the revelation that Rahu/ketu are exalted in scorpio.
(unless you did already of course)
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Khoo Hock Leong
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I too have Rahu in Scorpio in D9 conjuncting Mars in the 64th Navamsa from the Adcendant which is not as potent as 64th Navamsa from the Moon and hence not so much pain.
I use intense logic of Mars to quicky digest various sources of Vedic lore and come up with true principles (because of D9). Some pain is involved in the process but Mars in its own sign make the process easier. 4th house where Scorpio is tenated in Navamsa shows established scriptures.
Yet Rahu is disposited by the Moon in D1which is with Ketu and Saturn in Capricorn in its own sign. Ketu is moving towards Scorpio by travelling backwards. So D1 which show our tangible goals show that my aim in mind is towards the ultimate truth of God whatever principles I have come up with with my powerful Rahu in Scorpio in D9.
Scorpio is tenated in the 5th Bhava in D1 and the natural ruler of the 5th is the Sun, the source of all ultimate truth.
I use intense logic of Mars to quicky digest various sources of Vedic lore and come up with true principles (because of D9). Some pain is involved in the process but Mars in its own sign make the process easier. 4th house where Scorpio is tenated in Navamsa shows established scriptures.
Yet Rahu is disposited by the Moon in D1which is with Ketu and Saturn in Capricorn in its own sign. Ketu is moving towards Scorpio by travelling backwards. So D1 which show our tangible goals show that my aim in mind is towards the ultimate truth of God whatever principles I have come up with with my powerful Rahu in Scorpio in D9.
Scorpio is tenated in the 5th Bhava in D1 and the natural ruler of the 5th is the Sun, the source of all ultimate truth.
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KP dosha lord in Kendra along with another Kendra lord, then what will be the result. Suppose Scorpio lagna, Venus is in 4(Aquarius) along with 4th house lord Saturn. HERE Venus is afflicted with KP dosha and is with a Kendra lord and also in Kendra house.
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DEAR SIRelipsis wrote:Understand what this dosha actually does instead of going about what maybe the better placement. This dosha has never been clearly looked by anyone, although it has been suggested that having powerful yogas will cancel out kendradipati dosha. In my own experience, a planet in the kendra only affects the personality, it does not cause any event outside of yourself even during its maha dasa - this applies to any planet in kendra. The kendras houses are nothing but different dimensions of your personality,they tell you how you represent yourself in different walks of life but that itself isn't enough to create a satisfactory event in your life, this is actually the dosha. But, when a kendra lord mingles with other planets such as trikona or upachya lords then you can notice variations of different events challenging you in many ways, that's one way to get rid of the dosha.
TO CONTINUE ON THIS,I WANT TO ASK IF SOMEBODY HAVING MIDHUNA LAGNA,AND JUPITOR PLACED IN MEENA RASHI,AND SATURN PLACED IN KANYA RASHI,THEN PLEASE LET ME KNOW THE EFFECT OF JUPITORS KENDHRADHIPATYA DOSH AND SATURN ROLE IN THIS.AS JUP IS 7TH&10TH LORD OCCUPYING 10TH HOUSE,THE HAMSA MAHAPURUSHA YOGA WILL RISE,SO THE ABOVE SAID DOSHA WILL CUT DOWN THE YOGA OR HAMSA YOGA WILL DOMINATE THE DOSHA?AND PLEASE LIGHTEN ME ABOUT SATURN ROLE IN THESE TWO ISSUES OF YOGA AND DOSHA.....
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I don't think there is Mahapurusha yoga for your chart. Give me the birth details.
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Dear Elipsis,
As you said 3rd house from kendra to be looked at and in my case Jupiter is in 4th house in my chart and jupiter is lord of 6th house with ketu in 6th house. How does it impact ? As I can say my Jupiter Antardasha in Ketu dasha is worst part of my life hell financial problems so is this due to Jupiter being in Kendra and ketu in 6th house which is 3rd from 4th ? Also my Venus is lord of 4th house situated in 9th house which is again Jupiter house. So may is it the reason why I am not seeing any good effects although my Venus Dasha started. Nothing changed.
My Date of Birth details:
19-May-1982
Time: 11:06 am
Place: Vizianagaram
Andhra pradesh
India.
Many Thanks,
Sagiloyal
As you said 3rd house from kendra to be looked at and in my case Jupiter is in 4th house in my chart and jupiter is lord of 6th house with ketu in 6th house. How does it impact ? As I can say my Jupiter Antardasha in Ketu dasha is worst part of my life hell financial problems so is this due to Jupiter being in Kendra and ketu in 6th house which is 3rd from 4th ? Also my Venus is lord of 4th house situated in 9th house which is again Jupiter house. So may is it the reason why I am not seeing any good effects although my Venus Dasha started. Nothing changed.
My Date of Birth details:
19-May-1982
Time: 11:06 am
Place: Vizianagaram
Andhra pradesh
India.
Many Thanks,
Sagiloyal
dear sirelipsis wrote:I don't think there is Mahapurusha yoga for your chart. Give me the birth details.
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i will try to get birth details.but mean while please let me know for midhuna lagna if jup placed in meeana rashi,y cant we say it is maha purusha yoga?apart from this please lighten me about kd dosha and saturn role...
tq sir....
If Jupiter is with a functional benefic planet then the yoga will be more effective otherwise the yoga only affects the behavior of the person, it makes them behave very nicely at workplace.viswada wrote:dear sirelipsis wrote:I don't think there is Mahapurusha yoga for your chart. Give me the birth details.
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i will try to get birth details.but mean while please let me know for midhuna lagna if jup placed in meeana rashi,y cant we say it is maha purusha yoga?apart from this please lighten me about kd dosha and saturn role...
tq sir....
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There is parivarthana between Venus and Jupiter so at some point Jupiter will change its priorities - when the parivarthana activates the challenges will be less intense as the 3rd house from Pisces is occupied by Sun and Mercury. At present, Jupiter's main challenge will be to face past-life results in the workplace as the 6th house indicates past life with regard to karma. It can be good or bad depending on what you did..... Ketu gave the results of past life and there is nothing much you can do about it, ketu periods will be similar to what you faced.sagiloyal wrote:Dear Elipsis,
As you said 3rd house from kendra to be looked at and in my case Jupiter is in 4th house in my chart and jupiter is lord of 6th house with ketu in 6th house. How does it impact ? As I can say my Jupiter Antardasha in Ketu dasha is worst part of my life hell financial problems so is this due to Jupiter being in Kendra and ketu in 6th house which is 3rd from 4th ? Also my Venus is lord of 4th house situated in 9th house which is again Jupiter house. So may is it the reason why I am not seeing any good effects although my Venus Dasha started. Nothing changed.
My Date of Birth details:
19-May-1982
Time: 11:06 am
Place: Vizianagaram
Andhra pradesh
India.
Many Thanks,
Sagiloyal
Venus dasa on the other hand will be moderately good you just have to be patient.
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