Money - Case Study

[anuradha]

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[chavitarun]

Here is another case study for your point of mars in 2nd house.
In this case mars is in scorpio and hence only a functional neutral for libra ascendant and a killer (maraka)
it is deep combust from sun.
Moon is debilitated and dark in 2nd house too along with a mercury in enmical sign with enemies mars and moon

jupiter as karaka of wealth is in 8th house in enmical camp of taurus

he is my cousin - a multi millionaire with multiple properties and liquid wealth

november 22, 1976
4:30 am
bhiwani, india

sir

1. mars as a lord of wealth house in own sign is good for wealth.
2. jupiter as karak for wealth is aspecting 2nd house which is good.( viprit rajyoga planet's aspect)
3. jupiter as lord of 6th in 8th created viprit rajyoga
4. moon gets neech bhang
5. there is rajyoga kendra & Trikona lord ,moon , sun & mercury in wealth house.
6. sun is in its friend house.
7. further sun as lord of 11th income is in 2nd wealth house
8. saturn as lord of 4th in 10th aspecting own house - house of property, conveyances
9. in navamsha saturn lord of 4th is in own house.
10. lord of 11th sun is in own house in navamsha
11. mercury as lord of 11th house of D9 is in lagna in navamsha
12. moon is vaxing
13. mercury , lord of luck,has become stronger due to being vergottam

learned members pl. examine & correct

regards

[crysis_forever]

Case1 US Woman

1.Shukra is dead against the Lagna Lord Guru and is defeated in a planetary war by Shani.
2.Ravi,Lagna,Budha,Ketu are in Purvaashada lorded by Shukra.
3.A planet has to give the results of his Nk lord and notice how many planets are connected to Shukra.
4.All the mahadasa lord (Shani,Budha,Ketu and Shukra) which she faced in her life are connected to Shukra either by Nk or by conjunction.
4.Shukra finished her.

Case 2

1.Budha made him what he is.
2.Budha is mildly toast but there is Nk exchange between Shani and Budha,most importantly he got Budha at the prime time of his life.

[shilpa]

Dear F2F,


every chart delivers the net of postive yogas and negative afflictions.

and what are the afflictions here?

--lagna , sun and moon are the pillars of a chart.
lagna is afflicted by coinjuntion with Ketu and the otehr pillar sun is also in the first house conjunct with ketu ( and hence the aspect of Rahu).
That's a strong grahan / pitra doha.

so lagna is afflicted
surya is afflicted
and that is in the foudnation first house of the chart....and first house is badly afflicted....I stop short of calling it destroyed because lagna lord Jup is strong.

and all of that limits the fructification of the good yogas in the chart.

--in this specific case.....the native would lack the initiative / the drive to sieze the opportunities thrown by the good yogas in life.

--let's look at the 3rd pillar...the Moon....while OK placed is under the drishti of shani...we all know shani makes Moon shiver and freeze.

--the postive yogas....shani in swakshetra and mangal exalted are undoubtedly strong yogas...BUT they are bitter sworn enemies sitting toegther are tainting each otehr......a bit..their strengths are not all lost but their super powers only diminshed a bit in infight...asserting supremacy over the otehr in the house.

--and she ran the Ket MD at what will be the bang middle of life.
and Ket however well placed is a nusiance......and at worst can be a significant psycho-emotional negative.
and in this case Ket MD was acting out of the first house.....affecting entire spectrum of life.
and having to face a full Ket MD in the peak years of life is nothing but a karmik payback.

--While nodes exaltationa and debility is not really verifiable...Jupiter is undoubtedly and untainted, un-diminshed positive for the chart.

so it's not a bad chart and actually quite a good example of how afflcitions can diminish seemingly good yogas on surface.,

regards

[crysis_forever]

CASE 1

After much thinking,

I came to the conclusion that Jupiter inspite of looking pure, he is not pure.

If we look at shadbala break up we see that he has a negative drigbala of approx -39. It is not surprising that the Hamsa Yoga failed.

Couple that with the factors mentioned in above post of mine , it is easy to understand why she is leading an average life.

[crysis_forever]

1. I never said Shukra is dead. What I mean by dead against is , " shukra is a big enemy of Guru"

2.Shukra has lost the war and hence he is in a sad mood. Couple that with the point 1 above it is not surprising why Shukra has acted like that.

3.I give a lot of importance to shadbala breakup in the following order Sthana Bala>Drig Bala>Chesta Bala. The condition of Guru is sad at best. Never should a planet like Guru end up in such a state.

4.Guru has the ability to do good but he is egged severly to the point where he cannot act.

5.Notice that Shukra is also the 6th lord and is in a sad state, so in a sense shukra spoiled shani and every planet connecte d to him.

6.Factoring in Nk is not KP but it is regular stuff. A planet has to and will give the results of Nk lord without fail.

To illustrate look at this,
http://www.vedicforum.com/birth-charts- ... epression/

and look at the post written by TC followed by diljeet.singh's response. You will have your answer.

[crysis_forever]

No, I wont have. I would have predicted trouble with 2nd house significations but I could not have predicted to this extent.

1.In my opinion, Drig Bala is the net benefic/malefic aspect a planet receives. So , dont you think guru is receiving more malefic aspect. Does not a malefic aspect taint a yoga.

2.Planet Age Alertness (D-1) Mood (D-1)
Venus Baala (infant) Swapna (dreaming) Deena (sad), Vikala (crippled), Khala (mischievous)

See the condition of shukra, aint he in a bad mood.

3.I learned astrology from astroboy ji's and P Srinivas Rao ji's posts here on LOVA. I have seen them using Nk at times. so, I thought it is a part of Parashara. Infact, it is now that I know that they are part of KP.

[karthik1984]

F2F, in the 2nd chart , it is clearly indicated that the native will be well off. As 2nd house stands for family, wealth related planets being placed in 2nd house has made him a born rich person.

But lagna lord and career lord are not that good.

So difficulty in terms of personalty and career.

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f2f ji,

April 18, 1979
2:30 am
bhiwani, india

This individual, has he got any severe problem with feet?

regards
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[karthik1984]

f2f, about the recent birth details you have posted , marriage would have been difficult or death of a spouse or health related issues , spouse would have been richer than this native . Career would have been good , and related to communication and speech . Good spokesperson . His health and personalty would have been average to poor due to lagna lord Saturn trapped in 8th house along with Rahu. Eye related problem ??

[karthik1984]

Karthik - agreed on both counts.

generally I like planets in 1,4,5,7,9,10

2 and 11 can give some dhan yogas but in general otherwise are not good placements...especially 2nd as it is a maraca house and also 2, 6, 8, 12 houses are least connected with lagna and planets here don't influence lagna at all...EXCEPT mars in 6th with a direct drishti on lagna

in the horo - 3 malefics in Kendra and no benefics in Kendra or trikona!

Saturn in 10th house if in aries, cancer, leo or scorpio will give lots of issues even if yoga karaka and a massive delay in career and if lord of 10th weak, like in this case moon is debilitated and dark and with malefics...

Mercury as 9th lord in 2nd is giving dhana but in a watery mute sign, with malefics mars and sun and a debilitated moon and hence is afflicted pretty bad and he talks less too (mercury as speech karaka affliected in 2nd house in a mute sign)

planet of morality Jupiter in enmical sign of venus in the worst 8th house and retrograde- will magnify the dhan yogas in 2nd house being karaka for 2nd house but will cause low morality issues...mind karaka moon debliated and with dark, nodes afflicting lagna..

venus as lagna lord in kama house of 3rd where usually it makes the person lazy and lusty

exchange of 3-8

F2F,

Agreed with your analysis. Very well put up points u have made . Debilitated moon would given instability. Yes, Saturn causes great delay if it is in 10th house. Saturn may be the best planet for that lagna and also powerfully posited in 10th house , it definitely gives great delay. In my Opinion Saturn should be weak and not in important houses as it delays that house results. Career is very important for every individual , any delay in career will hamper his confidence to a large extent. Even the Great Amitabh Bachchan got success at the age of 31 yrs. Saturn did not spare even him.

[samjaff]

this is an uncle of mine
november 14 1962
chennai

this chart is somewhat similar to chart mentioned at the beginning.In this case the saturn aspects debilated mars in 8th house and venus in 11 th house in own sign.in addition saturn conjucts ketu.

Can someone predict his financial status as of now?
I will tell you the real financial status later.

[samjaff]

sorry forgot to post tob 8:30 am

[karthik1984]

Hi Karthik-

The native is a lady

Yes she had lots of problems in marriage. Got divorced from an abusive husband (who wasn't richer than her though)
sun/ Jupiter she got divorced (Jupiter is exalted in 7th house!) sun is exalted in 4th house!

career has been below normal due to marriage and health issues

she got multiple sclerosis diagnosis due to heavy stress in a bad marriage and was on heavy medication for many years due to which her health and job suffered badly

In Moon MD, she was able to marry again and health is now better

although career is still not great due to big breaks in between

with an exlated Jupiter, direct and non combust in the 7th house...many astrologers used to predict a perfect married life which was opposite of the reality!

she had got married in venus/ mercury (quiet early at age 20) and even back then i had predicted the marriage wont last

7th lord in 12th and 12th in 7th
shraapit yoga in 8th house in enmical sign of sun

sun as 8th lord exalted....venus is good exalted but in rashi sandhi and 6/8 from MK house... in the 3rd house of non Kendra/ kona. bhaagya lord is debilitated and partially neech bhang
moon-jup in 6/8 usually never good

but most of all Saturn and rahu in 8th took the toll on health and gave sudden reversals in life in career and health

sun MD was pretty nasty overall

Thanks a lot f2f for the detailed feedback. Good predictions from you.

[karthik1984]

f2f, In amitabh"s chart, Saturn aspects 10th house from 4th house. It could have given results in the form of transits or pratyantar dashas during the Jupiter Maha Dasha. Amitabh faced loads of setbacks and Humiliation till 1972-73.By the time he was 31-32 yrs old and that too in film industry. Whereas Rajesh Khanna and Dharmendra got easy success and were happy.

In my opinion Saturn gives good things in his period but he tests the native like no other planet. He is very strict.

Imagine if saturn would have dominated sachin"s chart, he would have got chance in Indian cricket team after his age of 30 yrs.....

Sun and mars gave sachin success as early as 15 yrs . Basically Saturn delays , tests the native. It is my strong opinion that Planet other than Saturn must control career and marriage house, then he will get quick and easy success.

[karthik1984]

F2F, Agreed with your analysis and points

[Bhimaparakrama]

Some comments for case 1:

Let us look at the moon first, as any raja yoga depends largely on the moon.

1.)The moon is alone, no planets conjunct or 2-12 from it. This weakens it. The only aspect it has is the malefic aspect of shani.
2.)Moon is 8th lord placed in 11th.
3.)Both rashi and navamsha dispositor of moon is venus. Venus looses in graha yuddha to saturn, feeling bad and defeated plus in the house of the victor, saturn is in its own house. In Navamsha, venus is debilitated conjuct shani and ketu. This is a kind of Tapaswi yoga in the navamsha, albeit more of a forceful one, it is forced upon the native.
4.) moon in vishakha nakshatra, Jupiter seemingly strong. Let us check Jupiter then.

The state of Jupiter:
1.)Jupiter is significantly weakened by Kendradhipati Dosha. It is a benefic lording a kendra, and is in a kendra. This is a nono.
2.)Jupiter is aspected by saturn, thereby severly afflicting it.
3.)We See, that saturn is in full control of the moon. It aspects the moon directly. It is conjunct with the moon's rashi dispositor in both rashi and navamsha, and defeats it in graha yuddha, furthermore it directly aspects the moon's nakshatra dispositor. Hence moon is fully tainted.
4.)Jupiters is in revati. Mercury is also weakened by kendradhipati dosha, as it is itself in a kendra, plus it is vakri, hence cannot provide consistency. These effects weaken Jupiter immensely. An untainted Hamsa yoga in itself would make the native sore to incredible heights, but Jupiter is weakened very much as described. And the all important moon is fully controlled by shani.

But Shani could give material blessings, indeed it is the karmakaraka (Just take a look at Bill Gates's or any other famous king, most of them have a very strong saturn):
1.)He is conjuct by dire enemy mars, who recieves strength, being exalted, in the nakshatra of 9th lord sun, who is posited in lagna.
2.)Add to that, shani is in the nakshatra of mars.
3.)Shani as 3rd lord in 2nd (i.e.) 12th from 3rd, indicate a lack of drive or determination, this is amplified by 3rd house natural karaka mars being exalted in 12th from 3rd.

So in effect, Jupiter is not as strong as it seems, moon is very much weakened and completely afflicted by shani, rendering the raja yogas, and dhana yogas weak.

[chavitarun]

[quote="fluid2finance"]Hi Bhimaparakamra,


on Jupiter though, I feel Saturn's aspects rarely spoil Jupiter. They are relatively friendly (if not just neutrals) I have seen that Saturn's aspect on Jupiter or vice versa kind of betters both of them. This I think is because they balance each others energies and too much of any one energy is not good In my opinion

I feel when Saturn and Jupiter aspect one house in a horoscope, those results remain in focus all through the life of the native....

best
f2f


D.O.B. 30.7.1989, female 17.20PM , Beawar(Raj.)

native has Saturn in Lagna
Rahu in third
Jupiter ,moon in 7th house
Sun Mercury in 8th house
Venus, ketu & mars in 9th house

will it be good if both saturn & jupiter aspect each other in this horo . what if maleficity of saturn as lord of 2nd & 3rd house will be reduced or jupiter will be tainted???

regards

[huien1]

[quote="karthik1984"]f2f, In amitabh"s chart, Saturn aspects 10th house from 4th house. It could have given results in the form of transits or pratyantar dashas during the Jupiter Maha Dasha. Amitabh faced loads of setbacks and Humiliation till 1972-73.By the time he was 31-32 yrs old and that too in film industry. Whereas Rajesh Khanna and Dharmendra got easy success and were happy.

In my opinion Saturn gives good things in his period but he tests the native like no other planet. He is very strict.

Imagine if saturn would have dominated sachin"s chart, he would have got chance in Indian cricket team after his age of 30 yrs.....

Sun and mars gave sachin success as early as 15 yrs . Basically Saturn delays , tests the native. It is my strong opinion that Planet other than Saturn must control career and marriage house, then he will get quick and easy success.[/quote]

Karthik - I loved Sachin's reference but Saturn MD made Roger Federer the god of tennis if I remember correctly, so Saturn doesn't delay the results always but I agree that success comes after hardwork and perseverence with Saturn.

[karthik1984]

Huien, thanks for your opinion. I have correct details of both amitabh and sachin. I am not sure about roger federer birth details. Can you give the details of any known person who has faced saturn MD at an early stage and was successful.

[huien1]

Sorry Karthik, I don't have cases of successful persons. Will let you know if I come across.

[harinath.nitw]

Dear f2f,

in the Case 2, that you mentioned as rich guy..

his wife should have extremely strong chart and she should get strong periods in Ketu and Venus periods..

if possible.. may i see her chart..

[Smacky]

The concerned person will have high income and high expense. Expenses are seen from twelfth house, in the bhav chalit chart Both Mer & Ketu move to 12th house and Mars is the owner of the sign in 12th house. So basically, Mer, Ket(Rahu) & Mars show expenses. However, if you carefully observe in the chart all the 9 planets are connected to Mer, Ket(Rahu) or Mars through either sign or star or sub. Hence, for any running nakshatra dasha, 12th house will show its effect and therefore, high expenses and little savings.

Also, Venus the primary karaka for marriage signifies 1, 6 & 10th houses for the native. Hence, Marriage is not promised in the chart. The person can however marry in during periods of favourable planets.

Thanks,

This friend of mine has worked in a decently good job but has not saved much at 50

she is unmarried with no kids but still wants a decent retirement some day. In the USA, you can live a little bit of social security you get from govt after retirement qualification age when a citizen which helps along with your personal savings

If you consider rahu in gemini as exalted or atleast own house then she has 5 out of 9 planets in exaltation or mooltrikoana or own house and none in dusthana - 6/8/12!

2nd lord is in 2nd house with exalted 5th lord and 11th lord making a strong textbook dhana yoga
from arudha lagna - 2nd lord is exalted in 11th from arudha pada with 11th lord from arudha lagna in own house with friend venus

here are the details-

january 9, 1964
7:28 am
Buffalo, NY, USA

Good case study

[Smacky]

This person will have excellent Venus mahadasha full of gains. However, Ve-Sat & Ve-Mer will be bad for career & family life, a fall from grace maybe. Ve-ke will pick him up again, so no worries after that.

Following Su & Mo mahadasha are excellent too, Excellent prarabdh for this soul.

Thanks,

2nd lord is in 2nd house with exalted 5th lord and 11th lord making a strong textbook dhana yoga
from arudha lagna - 2nd lord is exalted in 11th from arudha pada with 11th lord from arudha lagna in own house with friend venus

As per Madhyaprashari, Mars in 2H is the the destroyer of wealth.

Anuradha-

Here is another case study for your point of mars in 2nd house.
In this case mars is in scorpio and hence only a functional neutral for libra ascendant and a killer (maraka)
it is deep combust from sun.
Moon is debilitated and dark in 2nd house too along with a mercury in enmical sign with enemies mars and moon

jupiter as karaka of wealth is in 8th house in enmical camp of taurus

he is my cousin - a multi millionaire with multiple properties and liquid wealth

november 22, 1976
4:30 am
bhiwani, india

[adity]

This friend of mine has worked in a decently good job but has not saved much at 50

she is unmarried with no kids but still wants a decent retirement some day. In the USA, you can live a little bit of social security you get from govt after retirement qualification age when a citizen which helps along with your personal savings

If you consider rahu in gemini as exalted or atleast own house then she has 5 out of 9 planets in exaltation or mooltrikoana or own house and none in dusthana - 6/8/12!

2nd lord is in 2nd house with exalted 5th lord and 11th lord making a strong textbook dhana yoga
from arudha lagna - 2nd lord is exalted in 11th from arudha pada with 11th lord from arudha lagna in own house with friend venus

here are the details-

january 9, 1964
7:28 am
Buffalo, NY, USA

Good case study

Interesting Horoscope. Some obsevations - while the 2nd lord is in his own house, he is in a graha yuddha with the 6th lord. A war is never good. Must have bought a house with a big loan? or some other debt for which money goes. Also 2nd lord is with the 12th lord who is exalted. Must have spent a lot on luxuries and repaying debt for the same. Must have had affairs and splurged on boy friends? 2nd lord is in the nakshatra of an exalted 12th lord. 11th lord is debilitated in the navamsha. Overall you cannot say this person does not have money. Has had a good life. 8th lord in the 11th house not good. This horoscope is a mix of both good and bad.

Regards