It has been said in the ancient texts that mercury is two faced and acts benefic under the influence of benefic planets and acts malefic under the influence of malefic planets which is true.
Now what happens when moon is sitting in a Nakshatra ruled by mercury
The three Nakshatras governed by moon are
1. Ashlesha
2. Jyestha
3. Revati
Logic tells that the mind(moon) will also become two faced and hence the native cannot be trusted.
This is an interesting topic to discuss over. I will be happy if you learned astrologers share your view on it. Because we do come across a lot of people with these nakshtras. We would be one step ahead if we know how to manage people!
Regards,
Astrodude
Mercury - The two faced
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SuryaLagna
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What happens when mercury is conjunct with two planets, one benefic for the chart and the other malefic. How will mercury behave then?
Regards
SL
Regards
SL
'Successful people dont have friends, they only have competitors and enemies'
Hi SL,
Mercury is perfectly diplomatic.. As the title of this thread mentions, it is two faced.
It will perfectly co-ordinate with the two planets meaning that it will have both the shades of the good as well as the bad.
Now, This is why Moon is mercury's nakshatra is to be feared most of the times as the person will be unpredictable. I have personally come in contact with such personalities repeatedly in my life to confirm this with utmost confidence.
Regards
Astrodude
Mercury is perfectly diplomatic.. As the title of this thread mentions, it is two faced.
It will perfectly co-ordinate with the two planets meaning that it will have both the shades of the good as well as the bad.
Now, This is why Moon is mercury's nakshatra is to be feared most of the times as the person will be unpredictable. I have personally come in contact with such personalities repeatedly in my life to confirm this with utmost confidence.
Regards
Astrodude
@Astrodude:
Mercury being son of Moon (from hindu mythology), I believe he derives his quality of volatile under respective influence/aspects. Moon is friends with Mercury but for Mercury, moon is enemy. When Moon is in Ashlesha 16Cn40-30Cn00, he is in his own rasi, good dignity but loosing power as he is going away from favorite wife Rohini. And along with this, if Moon is 'not' associated with 12th house or 12th lord, i feel native would still have stable mind and would hold on his words/thoughts (with better placement of Jupiter).
But in Jyeshta 16Sc40-30Sc00, Moon is debilitated (Scorpio), which would make the native vulnerable.
In Revati 16Pi40-30Pi00, Mercury is debilitated (Pisces) and Moon is gaining power. So based on the house Mercury and Moon is related in a natives chart, the native would have better(not best) mind but poor intellect.
(As you already know, effects of other planets/houses should also be considered)
Regards.
Mercury being son of Moon (from hindu mythology), I believe he derives his quality of volatile under respective influence/aspects. Moon is friends with Mercury but for Mercury, moon is enemy. When Moon is in Ashlesha 16Cn40-30Cn00, he is in his own rasi, good dignity but loosing power as he is going away from favorite wife Rohini. And along with this, if Moon is 'not' associated with 12th house or 12th lord, i feel native would still have stable mind and would hold on his words/thoughts (with better placement of Jupiter).
But in Jyeshta 16Sc40-30Sc00, Moon is debilitated (Scorpio), which would make the native vulnerable.
In Revati 16Pi40-30Pi00, Mercury is debilitated (Pisces) and Moon is gaining power. So based on the house Mercury and Moon is related in a natives chart, the native would have better(not best) mind but poor intellect.
(As you already know, effects of other planets/houses should also be considered)
Regards.
@hector: The question was not about intellect. But abt the nature of the person only based on the placement of moon in the following nakshatras
and a sound argument based on what you have observed practically from other people's lives would be better instead of forming a theory.
and a sound argument based on what you have observed practically from other people's lives would be better instead of forming a theory.
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Mercury for me is worst malefic in chart being 3 and 6 lord. He is in same house as Venus and aspected by Jupiter but Saturn also. I've often wondered about mercurys role in my chart but do not know what to make of it.
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Dear Astrodude,
How about the reverse, Mercury in Moon's nk or Navamsha
Regards
SL
How about the reverse, Mercury in Moon's nk or Navamsha
Regards
SL
'Successful people dont have friends, they only have competitors and enemies'
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I am saying this comforts wise and finance wise.
Sorry,,,,This had to be posted else where
Sorry,,,,This had to be posted else where
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'Successful people dont have friends, they only have competitors and enemies'
Surya lagna,
Mercury in moon's nakshatra will be good and it also depends on where moon is sitting..
But the whole point is to know about the nature of the person- whether 2 faced or not.. nature will be decided by which nakshatra moon will be sitting in
Mercury in moon's nakshatra will be good and it also depends on where moon is sitting..
But the whole point is to know about the nature of the person- whether 2 faced or not.. nature will be decided by which nakshatra moon will be sitting in
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Thank you. I believe it is in own Nakshatra (ashlesha) but enemy house.Astrodude wrote:will check soon and discuss about your chart..
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I am not sure what you mean by double faced...can you cite an example to which we can relate.
My moon is in Jyestha, only duality I feel is regarding understanding all reasons...that led to good decisions and bad decisions, and a bad habit of making assumptions
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My moon is in Jyestha, only duality I feel is regarding understanding all reasons...that led to good decisions and bad decisions, and a bad habit of making assumptions
Regards
Astrodude,
I know him as a member of LOVA...but my interaction with him was less(also I am gifted with an art of forgetfulness so it might take 2-3 weeks to put a handle on it
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Does duality means with standards?..One for some and then another for others?
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I know him as a member of LOVA...but my interaction with him was less(also I am gifted with an art of forgetfulness so it might take 2-3 weeks to put a handle on it
)Does duality means with standards?..One for some and then another for others?
Regards
@lifeline
Most people(not everyone,other planetary positions/influences also mater) with Mercury ruled nakshatra can change their decisions or go back on their commitment once they feel their purpose has been solved.
And to top it these people have illogical justifications for changing their stance and they dont feel that they are going back on commitment or were selfish in short they never feel they are wrong.
Most people(not everyone,other planetary positions/influences also mater) with Mercury ruled nakshatra can change their decisions or go back on their commitment once they feel their purpose has been solved.
And to top it these people have illogical justifications for changing their stance and they dont feel that they are going back on commitment or were selfish in short they never feel they are wrong.
Mercury tries to rationalize everything including human emotions, sometimes it can be beyond people's comfort zone but most of the time the rationalization makes perfect sense which is the awful thing about the world we live in. So don't go on judging people by their nakshatras because if you write off most people in the world as two faced then I am sure Mercury would agree that would be the most irrational and illogical thing to do.
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Agreed with Elipsis,
It more like there is a hunger for reason, which trumps the decision or weakens it.That could be the effect of Mercury.
Say: You were really expecting someone but he/she didnt show up, after which u decided to punish them. But then after hearing their side of the argument (which u need to hear), you find the reason to be genuine....this put breaks on the decision to punish...
A feeble attempt to show both moon and mercury at play
Regards
It more like there is a hunger for reason, which trumps the decision or weakens it.That could be the effect of Mercury.
Say: You were really expecting someone but he/she didnt show up, after which u decided to punish them. But then after hearing their side of the argument (which u need to hear), you find the reason to be genuine....this put breaks on the decision to punish...
A feeble attempt to show both moon and mercury at play
Regards
Since we are talking about naksahtras I would like to tell you how these naksahtras work in practice...the nakshatras in the zodiac are largely tuned according to their signs where as the nakshatras falling in two signs posses two distinct qualities which can be trouble at times. For example: Rohini has all of the qualities of the Taurus sign which is money, pleasures, wealth, family and comforts, this is what the star aims for in life. People born in rohini are emotional and extroverted and because Taurus is the second sign people born in this sign feel the need to express their emotions with others so they cannot keep a secret when they feel they are overwhelmed by some emotion. Now, lets see what the exact opposite sign does....Jyestha nakshatra is in the sign of Scorpio (8th sign), people born in this star are unemotional because their mind is overwhelmed by logic and reasoning (therefore moon gets debilitated) - this does not mean they are cruel but they are indifferent to human emotions as they feel they can see through everyone....so this sort of behavior is perfect for doctors, researchers, judges, psychiatrists, surgeons, soldiers, businessmen and bankers (probably). The 8th sign of scorpio is all about hidden things that are yet to be unraveled so it is a great sign for Mercury and Mars to operate. Also many scientists, artists and thinkers are born in this sign as its the best sign for discovering new things.
The Jyesta star which is ruled by Lord Indra has all of the qualities of being an emperor/leader.
1. 7 and 12 ruled by Venus - Pleasure seeker
2. 10 ruled by Sun - Kingly
3. 2 and 5 - wealth, virtue and intellect ruled by Jupiter
4. 8th and 11th by Mercury- highly practical friends and relations
5. 3rd and 4th by Saturn- strict and harsh family
Rohini is ruled by Brahma (creator) so its the materialism at the best.
1. 7 and 12 - secret pleasures, aggressive partners
2. 9th and 10th - materialistic profession, learning and virtues
3. 2 and 5 - practical family and children
4. 8 and 11 - inheritance and profit from community
5. 3rd - artistic expression
6. 4th - big palace, royal homes and parents
Two extremes of life, if planets are well placed one can really achieve all of that but the thing is we don't just want the mind to be tuned this way, we want the entire chart to be tuned as per moon's wishes. What you want and experience are two different things, most people don't get what they want so life becomes unbalanced which leads them to dedicate their entire lives in filling those gaps created by Moon.
Whether you get it or not doesn't really matter because either way you are going to lose as its a trap set by your moon sign. Which is also why you often hear people say things like mind control, meditation etc...that is when you go past the immaturity of your mind and truly set out seek control of your life only then you'll begin to appreciate the beauty of life as it is and not through some fake emotions generated by your nakshatra.
Regards
The Jyesta star which is ruled by Lord Indra has all of the qualities of being an emperor/leader.
1. 7 and 12 ruled by Venus - Pleasure seeker
2. 10 ruled by Sun - Kingly
3. 2 and 5 - wealth, virtue and intellect ruled by Jupiter
4. 8th and 11th by Mercury- highly practical friends and relations
5. 3rd and 4th by Saturn- strict and harsh family
Rohini is ruled by Brahma (creator) so its the materialism at the best.
1. 7 and 12 - secret pleasures, aggressive partners
2. 9th and 10th - materialistic profession, learning and virtues
3. 2 and 5 - practical family and children
4. 8 and 11 - inheritance and profit from community
5. 3rd - artistic expression
6. 4th - big palace, royal homes and parents
Two extremes of life, if planets are well placed one can really achieve all of that but the thing is we don't just want the mind to be tuned this way, we want the entire chart to be tuned as per moon's wishes. What you want and experience are two different things, most people don't get what they want so life becomes unbalanced which leads them to dedicate their entire lives in filling those gaps created by Moon.
Whether you get it or not doesn't really matter because either way you are going to lose as its a trap set by your moon sign. Which is also why you often hear people say things like mind control, meditation etc...that is when you go past the immaturity of your mind and truly set out seek control of your life only then you'll begin to appreciate the beauty of life as it is and not through some fake emotions generated by your nakshatra.
Regards
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Hi, I am vrichika lagna and have mars, mercury & ketu in lagna. My jupiter is in gemini and venus in sagitarius, moon in makara and saturn in kumbha. Mercury being in lagna along with mars & ketu and also aspected by saturn.
What will be its role being the lord of 8th and 11th house. How will mercury dasa pan out?
Appreciate if you provide your insights for me to understand the role of planets and also my future. Thanks, Ravi
What will be its role being the lord of 8th and 11th house. How will mercury dasa pan out?
Appreciate if you provide your insights for me to understand the role of planets and also my future. Thanks, Ravi
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Hi, If one is born in jyeshta nakshatra and if the lagna is also vrichika will mercury be beneficial planet? and if Mercury is in twelfth house will then the moon behave differently? Thanks, Ravi
[quote="elipsis"]Mercury tries to rationalize everything including human emotions, sometimes it can be beyond people's comfort zone but most of the time the rationalization makes perfect sense which is the awful thing about the world we live in. So don't go on judging people by their nakshatras because if you write off most people in the world as two faced then I am sure Mercury would agree that would be the most irrational and illogical thing to do.[/quote]
Every person living in this world has two faces. That is a fact. Doesnt matter whatever nakshatra the moon sits in. If you spend some time introspecting about yourself, then you'll come to know. But humans as we know are emotional creatures.And that is how they are meant to be. When I specifically mentioned that Mercury is two faced in this thread, it was because it is called as two faced in some of the ancient stories of the planets.
And listen.. Next time you tell someone not to judge people based on their Nakshatras, make sure that person doesn't know about Astrology. Because Astrology is all about judging based on the planet's positions. If you don't know that already, I suggest you change your perspective now itself and learn this. Because this forum is dedicated to astrology and the discussions will be based on that. Astrology is a cold blooded science. It shows you the exact reality. If you don't want people judging based on the chart, then you got no business posting about astrology here. 'Coz astrology is all about Judging!
Every person living in this world has two faces. That is a fact. Doesnt matter whatever nakshatra the moon sits in. If you spend some time introspecting about yourself, then you'll come to know. But humans as we know are emotional creatures.And that is how they are meant to be. When I specifically mentioned that Mercury is two faced in this thread, it was because it is called as two faced in some of the ancient stories of the planets.
And listen.. Next time you tell someone not to judge people based on their Nakshatras, make sure that person doesn't know about Astrology. Because Astrology is all about judging based on the planet's positions. If you don't know that already, I suggest you change your perspective now itself and learn this. Because this forum is dedicated to astrology and the discussions will be based on that. Astrology is a cold blooded science. It shows you the exact reality. If you don't want people judging based on the chart, then you got no business posting about astrology here. 'Coz astrology is all about Judging!
[quote="elipsis"]Since we are talking about naksahtras I would like to tell you how these naksahtras work in practice...the nakshatras in the zodiac are largely tuned according to their signs where as the nakshatras falling in two signs posses two distinct qualities which can be trouble at times. For example: Rohini has all of the qualities of the Taurus sign which is money, pleasures, wealth, family and comforts, this is what the star aims for in life. People born in rohini are emotional and extroverted and because Taurus is the second sign people born in this sign feel the need to express their emotions with others so they cannot keep a secret when they feel they are overwhelmed by some emotion. Now, lets see what the exact opposite sign does....Jyestha nakshatra is in the sign of Scorpio (8th sign), people born in this star are unemotional because their mind is overwhelmed by logic and reasoning (therefore moon gets debilitated) - this does not mean they are cruel but they are indifferent to human emotions as they feel they can see through everyone....so this sort of behavior is perfect for doctors, researchers, judges, psychiatrists, surgeons, soldiers, businessmen and bankers (probably). The 8th sign of scorpio is all about hidden things that are yet to be unraveled so it is a great sign for Mercury and Mars to operate. Also many scientists, artists and thinkers are born in this sign as its the best sign for discovering new things.
Regards[/quote]
When you say that people having their moon in Jyestha Nakshtra are unemotional, you are entirely wrong!
Because every human being in this world have emotions and people who have their moon in Scorpio are also 'extremely' emotional. Just that their mind works differnt from the way a Taurus moon person's mind works.
Jyestha makes the person to be extremely logical! Now this does not make the person bad as long as the moon is safe from malefic afflictions. But the person will be a first rated opportunist no matter what. Meditations or self- realization or whatsoever. The person will be selfish because that is what logic is all about. They don't think from their hearts or whatever is the line that they usually saw.
Emotions are still there. Do not mess with their temper or else you will regret it. But the emotions are of a selfish nature.
Regards
Regards[/quote]
When you say that people having their moon in Jyestha Nakshtra are unemotional, you are entirely wrong!
Because every human being in this world have emotions and people who have their moon in Scorpio are also 'extremely' emotional. Just that their mind works differnt from the way a Taurus moon person's mind works.
Jyestha makes the person to be extremely logical! Now this does not make the person bad as long as the moon is safe from malefic afflictions. But the person will be a first rated opportunist no matter what. Meditations or self- realization or whatsoever. The person will be selfish because that is what logic is all about. They don't think from their hearts or whatever is the line that they usually saw.
Emotions are still there. Do not mess with their temper or else you will regret it. But the emotions are of a selfish nature.
Regards
You are entitled to your opinions, I don't really speak for anyone. I just share my views which are neutral and applicable in any scenario, so I don't frame my views to validate my prejudices but whatever made you think that logic is about being selfish? I mean even a kindergärtner will be able to sort that one out..so you see you are leaning more towards the emotional side than the rational with your arguments.Astrodude wrote: When you say that people having their moon in Jyestha Nakshtra are unemotional, you are entirely wrong!
Because every human being in this world have emotions and people who have their moon in Scorpio are also 'extremely' emotional. Just that their mind works differnt from the way a Taurus moon person's mind works.
Jyestha makes the person to be extremely logical! Now this does not make the person bad as long as the moon is safe from malefic afflictions. But the person will be a first rated opportunist no matter what. Meditations or self- realization or whatsoever. The person will be selfish because that is what logic is all about. They don't think from their hearts or whatever is the line that they usually saw.
Emotions are still there. Do not mess with their temper or else you will regret it. But the emotions are of a selfish nature.
Regards
Again, you are hopelessly off the track...good luck.Coz astrology is all about Judging!
Regards
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Astro
You are right on the fact that astrology is a science but its a subtle one...not hardcore like physics...
2 and 2 doesnt make 4 here...it can make anything especially when other affects are hidden..
Everyone having moon in jyestha might have those qualities but the affects differ the quantification...
Logical doesnt make person selfish.
On another note, I have Mars and Rahu in lagna along with moon in jyestha...but i rarely do get angry and I use logic to subside that anger...it has helped me from tight situations...
Perhaps the double face of Mercury is related to the hidden emotional side and the extrovert logical side...I dont tend to show my emotional side as logically it isnt correct
?
Regards
You are right on the fact that astrology is a science but its a subtle one...not hardcore like physics...
2 and 2 doesnt make 4 here...it can make anything especially when other affects are hidden..
Everyone having moon in jyestha might have those qualities but the affects differ the quantification...
Logical doesnt make person selfish.
On another note, I have Mars and Rahu in lagna along with moon in jyestha...but i rarely do get angry and I use logic to subside that anger...it has helped me from tight situations...
Perhaps the double face of Mercury is related to the hidden emotional side and the extrovert logical side...I dont tend to show my emotional side as logically it isnt correct
?Regards
