Mannat for marriage

[jelly29]

Dear Shilpa

What are the potential aberrations for marriage denial ?
Like in my the following person's chart

DOB : 16th oct 1983
12:10 pm
guwahati F

despite being very elegant ,pretty and approachable shes isnt married ..almost everything has been done to find a suitable alliance but some how things dont work out at the end..with my little understanding i could not find any major afflictions ..
strangle even her sister pretty elder to her isnt married..they both are working in IT companies and have good career ..however when it comes to marriage it seems like some sort of curse is working upon their family ..
P.S i have used the word curse for lack of any suitable word..
I dont have her sister's timing of birth..

Can you throw some light ??
Jelly

[ChandraLagna]

No curse. Likely marriage in April-May 2015.

She would've had possible affairs of the heart in 2011 and/or 2013.

[crysis_forever]

In the first sweep I could not figure out anything. But looking deeper cracks started to appear.

1.Lord of Happiness Jupiter is sitting in 12th house with Ketu and further Jupiter is in Vainasika Nk from Moon.

2.Budha is in Hasta and Hasta is vainasika Nk from Lagna and Budha is caught between Kuja and Shani.

3.Ravi who represents fortune after marriage is caught between Kuja and Shani.

4.Shani the kutumba lord sits in Swati whose lord Rahu is in 6th house.

The finishing touch is given by moon.

Moon sits in Dhanishta Nk, which has some disturbing traits.

"One peculiarity which is consistently ascribed to this Nakshatra is Marital Discord.It has been noticed that If Ravi and Budha are placed together in a Horoscope of Danishtha born people they remain unmarried." - Astroboy.


To conclude it may be delayed heavily or may be even denied.

[samjaff]

some striking features,
her lagna jupiter, sun , venus and mars are vargottama(occupies same position in rashi and navamsa)

saturn and mercury exalted in rashi chart and placed in own sign in navamsha.
all planets except jupiter occupies good position in rashi and navamsha.
She running jupiter dasha .So i believe the jupiter placement in 12 th house (being vargottama and in friendly sign ) of spirituality causes this delay.

[samjaff]

As lightlamp usually says we need to check non astrological reasons for delay of marriage.

some are
1. The expectation of the girl how her future husband should be.If it is high (like handsome rich well settled),then the probability is low.If she compromise on some parts then it will be fruitful.
2.In india mostly people search alliance within the same caste/community ,so again probability is getting reduced.
Most people won't search alliance outside of community even if their daughter reaches 30 years of age.
3.The girl attitude towards marriage if she is not interested how will she accept the proposal.
4.The astrology match ,again the probability is reduced.

I have seen many cases now days even though the horoscopes matches parents rejected alliance because of boy/girl family status is low even though girl is well educated and employed,the boy/girl has many sisters, boy lives in joint family ,the parents are dependent on boy/girl income, dowry etc.

One of my friend got married early at 25 , when i asked him what was his expectation about his future wife during that time of marriage,he just said the girl is a good girl and sister of my school friend that enough for me.In this case the boy is tall ,handsome ,well built and has good job whereas girl is very lean ,average looking , educated but unemployed.They are both leading a very happy life.

So we have to lessen our expectation and compromise on some factors when there are less proposals.
We should not blindly depend on astrology and wait for something to happen .Something we have to take from our sides too.

[shilpa]

Dear jelly 29,
-it's really not such a significant delay yet....

--and there is really not curse or denial...... unless the Birth time is off by about half an hour or so ?
is that possible ? How accurate is BT ?

regards

[jelly29]

Dear Shilpa

She claims the birth time to be accurate ...not a significant delay ofcourse ..i mean significantly girls really dont want to settle early these days due to career but in her case she has been trying but things haven't worked out ..
Do you see any major afflictions ?

Regards
Jelly

[Orange-Man]

Jelly,

I was checking her chart. There is no problem in respect to marriage in her chart, so it is quite surprising that in spite of trying, she is not being able to get married. She is running Jupiter-Mercury period since April 2012. Did she get into any relation any time in this period? I am asking this because this Mercury AD should give affair, if not marriage. Jupiter has also been in her 7th house in transit since the last 1 year, and she is running Jupiter MD, so it also indicates that. And since October 2013 chara dasha also showing the same thing: affair/marriage.

Basab

[jelly29]

Yes Basab

there was an affair but that didnt finally see into marriage ,infact the affair ran into years and then died off ...
first look at the chart doesnt show afflictions ..however yes when we already know the problem then we are more in a fault finding mode ...lets hope things improve for her and she finds an alliance at the earliest ..

Jelly

P.S thanks all for your inputs

[Saindhavi]

Jelly29,

Please tell them that love marriage may not be possible for her. She should go for an arranged marriage. Saturn is obstructing love marriage.

Marriage possible anytime after June 2014, going upto 2015.

[samjaff]

dear jelly29,
if you have just posted her chart details alone and asked about how is her marriage life or timing of marriage, i believe you would have got different answer.If you would have posted the query 4 years back and asked for timing of marriage ,most will predict the marriage will occur in jup-mer period as mercury is 7th lord and it is exalted in rashi and own sign in navamsha. Since you already mentioned her marriage is delayed ,every one tries to find reasons for it.
I have seen in many cases if that chart planet position is good and if the result is delayed, i could see people try to blame nakshatra it is sitting on and even though it is sitting on good nakshatra and if result is delayed then they will talk abt gulika and divisional charts.

So the problem is we cannot make any prediction just by reading jyotish text.We have to study lots of horoscopes.Only experience will help in the field of astrology.

The reason i asked you abt non astrological factors is i am new to this forum and i am trying to learn astrology,i couldn't find any astrological reason for her delay.

her horoscope is somewhat similar to my father ,same saggittarius lagna , mercury the 7th lord and 10 lord exalted in virgo, jupiter sun in leo mars in aquaricus .In my father case he got married at 27,but his professional life was a failure because of his own actions.He is not doing any work and sitting idle in house for past 10 years.point to note is he is under mercury mahadasha for past 10 years.The problem he is not willing to go to job and he doesn't care about the family.i often thinks his time of birth is wrong.but he has birth certificate where timing is noted from hospital registry.

Lets pray and hope for both she and her sister gets married soon:)

[Orange-Man]

Jelly,

The chart is good for married life, and she should get married this year only if we go by what the chart has to say.

Basab

[Saindhavi]

Samjaff,

If Jelly29 had said a few years ago that this native had a love affair and asked about her marriage, Jelly would have been told that love marriage was not possible for this native because of Saturn.

But Saturn was supposed to give this result to her, that is why this query was not asked a few years ago.

Can you share your father's birth details?

[jelly29]

Thanks for ur inputs ; true astrology at times works best when taken in a retrospective perspective ..her career is not at its best even neither has she done very well in her academics though I see in her chart an exalted 10 th lord ..infact her career took quite sometime to take off..so I am not sure whether blaming the nakshatra or blaming Lagna lordz position will justify the events..
P.S her expectations are not for any love marriage..she wants a decent partner to settle though the place from where I rather we come love marriage is what most people go for ; I am also pretty sure she has kept her expectations grounded.
I will definitely keep the forum informed on any development that happens ; between any remedies
Thanks
Jelly

[Orange-Man]

Jelly,

It is really very surprising that she was not that good in studies. The only explanation for it could be she didn't get favourable planetary periods. She got first the major period of Rahu, which is placed in the 6th house in her chart, and now running the major period of Jupiter, which is in the 12th house in her chart. A bad planetary period can't give the results promised in the chart to the full extent.

Basab

[anuradha]

Moon[ 8L karka for 4H, 25.28 deg] in 2H[family] and Mercury[ 7L, 10L, 18.38 deg] in 10H, are in Mrityu Bhag.

[Orange-Man]

The reason i asked you abt non astrological factors is i am new to this forum and i am trying to learn astrology,i couldn't find any astrological reason for her delay.

her horoscope is somewhat similar to my father ,same saggittarius lagna , mercury the 7th lord and 10 lord exalted in virgo, jupiter sun in leo mars in aquaricus .In my father case he got married at 27,but his professional life was a failure because of his own actions.He is not doing any work and sitting idle in house for past 10 years.point to note is he is under mercury mahadasha for past 10 years.The problem he is not willing to go to job and he doesn't care about the family.i often thinks his time of birth is wrong.but he has birth certificate where timing is noted from hospital registry.

Samjaff,

Looking for non astrological factors when you can't make sense of a chart is as much an excuse as finding some reason in a chart somehow when it doesn't make sense. As you are new to astrology, I will give you a piece of advice: when you are not being able to understand a chart, just accept it that you are not understanding it, and you have to learn more to understand it, than trying to find some reason or the other to fit it with the person's life, or worse, trying to find non-astrological factors.

Your father's chart is very interesting. Yes, I agree that he has got a strong 10th house, but instead of blaming him for his not working, blame the planets, I will say, because I have seen similar 10th house, like your father has, and the excuse of not trying can't be given in their cases as they have put their best efforts always and still putting efforts, but have consistently failed so far. So in your father's chart, I am sure, there are some astrological reasons behind why he is not wanting to do a job, which you will, I am sure, get to know if you spend 20-30 years in astrology and see a few thousand charts in that period. Coming to conclusion before having that much of experience that a chart is not making sense would be insensible, I will say.

One more thing I will say in reference to your observations about why a lot many people stays unmarried till late: the points you have made are very much true. I completely agree with them, but the thing is our actions are the results of our thoughts, and our thoughts are dictated by the planets. So when a person is making a fuss about their life partner and so remaining unmarried till late, that kind of thinking is due to the influence of the planets in their birth chart, nothing else.

Different kind of thoughts are planted in our minds by the planets in accordance with their placements in our charts, and we act as per those thoughts and think that we are doing things as per our own wills, not realizing that our wills are in control of the planets.

All said, if you still believe that it is the non astrological factors, which are responsible for people staying unmarried till late, and that's a choice they make, then forget astrology and destiny and believe in free will. I respect such people, who believe completely in free will, even though their belief is opposite to mine, because they stand by what they believe in. They don't waste their time on checking birth charts. They believe in making their own destiny. But to talk about free will, and then, start checking birth charts is not done, my friend. Make your mind on what you want to believe in: destiny or free will. As they are as different as chalk and cheese and can't be mixed together.

Basab

[Orange-Man]

Jelly,

I want to draw your attention to one thing... her whole chart changes in 1-2 minutes difference as her ascendant is in last degrees of Saggitarius. And taking the other ascendant, her birth chart shows problems in respect to marriage and problems in respect to career also, which was there as you have mentioned.

Basab

[jelly29]

Yeah Basab

This mite very well be possible ..just as i mentioned that her academics has never been as promised by an exalted mercury with sun in 10th house ..though now shes working with an IT company after doing her mca in 2009 ....and problems in marriage ..if it stretches beyond 30 its suffice to label as problematic ...

can you throw some light on the changed ascendant and chart ?

[Orange-Man]

Jelly,

You have mentioned that the girl is elegant and pretty. I am really doubtful if someone will be that if Saturn aspects their ascendant, which is the case if we take Saggitarius as the ascendant. But if you take Capricorn as the ascendant, yes, that being the sign of Saturn, shouldn’t make one that either, but then, Moon becomes placed in the ascendant, and Moon gives one beauty and elegance. So it makes sense more, her having Capricorn ascendant.

You are saying that she has studied MCA, which is technical education, and her running the period of Rahu in the 5th house of education from Capricorn, if we take that as her ascendant, shows her having technical education. 5th lord in the 8th house shows education not happening up to one’s expectations, but Mercury exalted in the 9th house, Jupiter aspecting the 5th house, and Rahu exalted in the 5th house should have given her good education, I will say.

Her affair not working out also makes sense then as her 5th lord of love falls in the 8th house, which is a negative house and very capable of breaking a relation. Her Mercury AD not giving marriage also makes sense as it doesn’t stay the 7th lord anymore.

Ascendant lord exalted in 10th house will give her a good career, no doubt, but it will come after struggle and delay, Saturn being the karaka of those things. And 10th lord in 8th house can mean being a victim of office politics or breaks in career. 10th lord being with 11th lord is not that bad, though.

Jupiter-Ketu period can give her marriage, both being connected to the 12th house in the chart. Jupiter MD running and Jupiter transiting to the 7th house from the ascendant and the Moon next month also gives hope of marriage.

Now, I am not sure if it is Capricorn ascendant that she has, as it is very difficult to find out the correct ascendant for a person, unless he is a very experienced astrologer, but I am saying that it can be possible as we see that Saggitarius ascendant is not making sense in her case.

Basab

[jelly29]

This is definitely interesting ....looking at the chart from a different angle altogether ...

but certainly i wont be able to comment ...

[jelly29]

Yes Basab ...
Well said free will and destiny are like chalk n cheese which can't be mixed together ...such true words

[Orange-Man]

Jelly,

When I was checking her chart, it didn't make sense at all with what you said about the person, so at that time I thought of checking her ascendant degree if it changes with a little time difference, and my guess turned out to be right as it indeed was changing with a time difference of a minute or two, so I checked the chart with the other ascendant, and it made more sense, taking into consideration what you had said. But still I can't say for sure that her ascendant is different as everything maybe will make sense with the ascendant she has with the birth time you have given to someone who has a deep knowledge of astrology and an experience of many years in birth chart reading.

Basab

This is definitely interesting ....looking at the chart from a different angle altogether ...

but certainly i wont be able to comment ...

[Orange-Man]

Thank you, Jelly.

Basab

Yes Basab ...
Well said free will and destiny are like chalk n cheese which can't be mixed together ...such true words

[jelly29]

Just an update on this front...her marriage has been fixed year end or early Jan ..the guy is younger to her and its a love marriage...spouse younger ..are there such combinations in her chart??
P.s thanks to all

Jelly