Complexities of Wealth VS Obstruction of Wealth - HELP!

[JadeDragon]

Hello Respected Members!

I desperately need some advise about my chart with regards to money. I have studied my own chart for years and have had three professional readings done. What I have learned in the process in terms of wealth potential in my chart is…

Positives :

*Chandra-Mangala yoga in 11th = supposed to be very favourable for capital wealth, regardless circumstances of birth
*Lord of 2nd bhava is 11th from itself
*Lord 8th in bhava 2 = supposed to be another capital wealth indicator

Negatives :

*Chandra-Mangala yoga (+ Shukra) is 12th from Lord 2
*Lord Surya 2 is in 12th bhava
*Malefic Shani casts 10th drishti onto 11th - Chandra-Mangala + Shukra

So I have been told several times that wealth is "promised" from my chart but were these astrologers looking deeply enough? I don't think so!

It seems to me that Shani's 10th drishti implies major delay or perhaps total obstruction of this wealth yoga. I also think that having lord 2 in the 12th is a BAD indicator as I think it implies DISSOLVED wealth even though it is 11th from itself (Lord 2).

I would LOVE for some experienced members to share their thoughts and advise on this.

Also, I would like to know does my chart show ANY chance of winning at lotteries? I know 2/8 + 5 has to do with lottery and luck. My 5th Lord is in the 11th in a powerful chandra-mangala yoga yet Ketu is in the 8th (this obstructs or opens chances??) and Lord 8 in 2 (Malefic lord = no chances???).

I was also looking at my D4 and D60 charts. In the D4 Lord 2 (Surya) is in the 12th. Chandra-Ketu in Simha are in 2 opposite Shani-Rahu in 8 = Lord of 8 in 8. 5th + 11th Lords = Parivarthamsha Yoga. 5th Lord MARS in the 11th casting drishti onto 2nd bhava.

I also noticed that Guru is debilitated here and is 6th from 2nd house and 8th from 2nd Lord.

I noticed both very negative and very positive wealth/bhagya aspects here. BUT which is stronger????

In the D60 chart Guru is also debilitated. When I look at this chart using Chandra Lagna (thanks to Shilpa for his awesome info on the D60!!!) I see that debilitated Guru is 2nd from Chandra (Chandra-Mangala in Dhanu = Lord Guru -> debilitated) so looks like there is some BIG karma regarding money. If I take my Lagna/birth time to be exact then I notice that Shukra owns both 2 and 9 houses and is placed in 11th with Surya in Karka = dispositor --> Chandra = 6th from.

What I find very interesting (yet confusing) is the fact that Shani is VERY malefic AND vargottama, in the 2nd house rasi and yet it is in its OWN SIGN = Aquarius in D4, D10 and D60. So it seems that on the level of larger karma the position of Shani is favourable YET on the physical manifestion level (D1, D9) it is VERY unfavourable. This is also the REVERSE for Guru - which is EXALTED in Lagna in rasi and is fairly strong in D9 BUT debilitated in D4 and D60.

WHAT TO MAKE OF ALL THIS? I have been a serious student of astrology for many years but it would be nice to have fellow astrologers and astrology enthusiasts to dialogue with!!!!

ANY INSIGHT will be GREATLY appreciated!!!!

Namaste

[chokra]

If you need any guidance, it would have been respectful to post your birth details for astrologers and senior members to provide you with appropriate information.

[JadeDragon]

Yes this is true Chokra. I was hoping to post an attachment of my chart to make it easier for others to see and respond but was unable to do so. My birth details are: June 22 1979 Born in San Giovanni Rotondo, Italy 7:55am

[karthik1984]

jade dragon, Your good time has started from January 2014. Jupiter Maha Dasha has started. Jupiter is exalted in Lagna. Best things you will get in this maha Dasha. Rahu Maha dasha from 1996to 2014 would have been average.

Keep your hopes ON as good things are bound to happen in this dasha.

To confirm more about Jupiter Maha Dasha, can you tell something about your father.

You must understand the good effects of the planets are experienced mostly in Maha dasha and then antar dasha.

[JadeDragon]

Hello karthik1984 ,

Thanks for the prompt reply. I have certain software that tells me that Jupiter Dasa will start in June this year not January. So this is confusing. I use Shri Jyoti Star. I have been told by many astrologers that Guru will be very auspicious time but I don't know... because it is debilitated in D60 and also in D4 varga. To answer your question, my father died of cancer is August 2009. Our relationship was very difficult. He was a very good person but had many problems. My mother separated from him when I was young this was also gave him much problems. He was spiritual, philosophical and intelligent but he had emotional problems, anger, many problems inside and with his family (in his birth country) and with my mother and myself and my brother. Guru is Lord of 6th so I suspect this plays a role in the negative manifestation of effects?

[JadeDragon]

To add to my reply, I would like share something about how my finances and work have been in Rahu Maha Dasa. In January 2008 I began Venus bhukti (Rahu-Venus) and got a very high paying job in another province in my country. I had to travel out west. I was working as an esthetician/beautician but also as a waitress and house Keeper in a rustic luxury lodge for tourists. These tourists were very well off financially. The downside was I had problems with my boss. In fact, EVERY employee (except for one girl from Europe) had problems working for her. She was a very unfair, unkind, terrible person to work for. The work for very long and hard at times. I only worked at this job for 6 weeks. Then I went back home.

Then I went to work for someone else and also had a very high paying position but again many hours. I worked this job and saved a lot of money for 3 months and then I moved into a new apartment in June. I also began working from home part time and then began making so much more money. In my life I have made the MOST money from in 2008 - Present Time. Sometimes, business has been slow and not very much money coming in and other times I would make a huge amount of money in a few days. It was always up and down but overall I have made the most money than I ever have in my life in the last few years. In the past my income was very small and I had financial problems my whole adult life. But I would get monies from other sources like 5, 000 bursary from college or from father and other family and unexpected places. So when you say that my Rahu dasa was average I would have to disagree from my said experience. I just hope Guru dasa is much much better!!

[kappy]

My thoughts.

1. Jupiter in lagna is excellent but can make native lazy wrt pursuit of material happiness. Note use of the word "pursuit" and how this is inconsistent with Jupiter's nature. There is an age-old debate as to whether benefics in kendras or malefics in kendras are better for financial progress. Malefics make you struggle and knock you down BUT at the end you are supposed to come out a better person. Benefics on the other hand tend not to nurture that "killer instinct" which we need to gain material success in the Kali Yug.

2. Saturn placement is not auspicious - in enemy sign and inimical relationship with Lagna Lord. Worthwhile studying why Saturn is unfavorable to Chandra Lagna and apply this knowledge to remedies.

3. Saturn's 3rd aspect hits 4th house - pushes native away from home - may also cause native to be hostile towards place of birth -impacts mother, happiness, real estate etc.

4. Saturn's 10th aspect hits H11 - 10th aspect hits hard - impacts the benefic yoga caused by its two enemies (mars/moon). This is sometimes not a bad thing b/c Chandra Mangala Yoga indicates earnings thru unscrupulous means, catering to base needs - this does not sit well with Saturn.

5. Venus is well placed but Badhaka for Chandra Lagna. So obstacles of a Venus nature - relationships hinder progress but may also be a source of gains.

Suggest Saturn remedies (cannot stress this enough..) - make good use of Jupiter Dasa (avoid being lazy) - also consider whether chosen career is capable of providing desired wealth in current form.

Hope that helps
Kappy

[karthik1984]

Hello karthik1984 ,

Thanks for the prompt reply. I have certain software that tells me that Jupiter Dasa will start in June this year not January. So this is confusing. I use Shri Jyoti Star. I have been told by many astrologers that Guru will be very auspicious time but I don't know... because it is debilitated in D60 and also in D4 varga. To answer your question, my father died of cancer is August 2009. Our relationship was very difficult. He was a very good person but had many problems. My mother separated from him when I was young this was also gave him much problems. He was spiritual, philosophical and intelligent but he had emotional problems, anger, many problems inside and with his family (in his birth country) and with my mother and myself and my brother. Guru is Lord of 6th so I suspect this plays a role in the negative manifestation of effects?

Jade Dragon , thanks for the feedback. Look at the 2nd house and 2nd house lord. So heavy disturbances in Family life which made you suffer. 2nd house is for family. Two malefic and enemy planets are in 2nd house. And 2nd house lord Sun himself has gone to the 12th house which is an evil house. So disturbances were bound to happen in family. Your parents got separated at a young age.

Leave about divisional charts , as they are time sensitive. Jupiter must do good to you.

For most of the softwares Jupiter Maha dasha started from January/February 2014 itself.

[karthik1984]

To add to my reply, I would like share something about how my finances and work have been in Rahu Maha Dasa. In January 2008 I began Venus bhukti (Rahu-Venus) and got a very high paying job in another province in my country. I had to travel out west. I was working as an esthetician/beautician but also as a waitress and house Keeper in a rustic luxury lodge for tourists. These tourists were very well off financially. The downside was I had problems with my boss. In fact, EVERY employee (except for one girl from Europe) had problems working for her. She was a very unfair, unkind, terrible person to work for. The work for very long and hard at times. I only worked at this job for 6 weeks. Then I went back home.

Then I went to work for someone else and also had a very high paying position but again many hours. I worked this job and saved a lot of money for 3 months and then I moved into a new apartment in June. I also began working from home part time and then began making so much more money. In my life I have made the MOST money from in 2008 - Present Time. Sometimes, business has been slow and not very much money coming in and other times I would make a huge amount of money in a few days. It was always up and down but overall I have made the most money than I ever have in my life in the last few years. In the past my income was very small and I had financial problems my whole adult life. But I would get monies from other sources like 5, 000 bursary from college or from father and other family and unexpected places. So when you say that my Rahu dasa was average I would have to disagree from my said experience. I just hope Guru dasa is much much better!!

Jade Dragon, money will not be a issue for you. Look at the 3 planets in 11th house. 11th house stands for income, wealth.

So, your Venus sub period was good in terms of finance and wealth as Venus is in its own house of 11th house. . Also if you look at the chart as a whole , money will never be an issue due to the 11th house.

Why i said Rahu must have been average is because it is in its enemy house along with saturn. So Rahu is basically unhappy and created problems with regards to 2nd house.

Jupiter is well placed. Though your father might have been far from you but he did help you money wise, so its a good sign and also a confirmation that Jupiter Maha dasha will be good to you.

[mevishal85]

Jade,

Below are some of my comments and observations:
1. Exalted Ju of Pashyami makshatra of (4th pada)sitting at Lagna makes you wise and charming and so on..........very good
2. It has aspects on your 5,7 and 9 house and I hope you know very well and all they denote..........again very good
3. No enemy planet or malefic planet is looking at TRINE houses, only highly capable JU is influencing them ..........very much rare.
4. MA/MO/Ve/JU is looking@5H helping them to take very right decisions and very right time and I think you heared it earlier also that "LIFE IS ALL ABOUT CHOICE AND DECISIONS". If you look at successful people's chart you will see that how cosmic energy helps them to take right decisions at right time and they perform exceptionally well for them as well as for society also.
5. MA/MO/VE@11H will give you luxry when they have their periods.
6. It may be tough to you to hold the money due to SU and ME@12H. Definitely it may give you sudden expenditures and losses if you will not be able to maintain balance specially in terms of finance.
7. You must be fond of luxry a lot.
8. RA/SA friends in 2nd house.....good to have sudden money/gain.
9. Being through JU mahadasha when you have potential in your body/mind/circumstaces...very good........As per my observation before its end you will definitely do something extraordinatry.
9. Last but not the least will send you an article by Nikhil stating JU mahadasha benefits/consiquencesses if it comes to a person when he/she is young/not old.

Few examples are: Emperor Vikramaditya,Emperor Asoka,Emperor Chandragupta Maurya,Emperor Akbar,Emperor Qianlong,Queen Elizabeth,King Krishna Raj Wadiyar of Mysore,King Bhumibol of Thailand etc. Just go through their JU position in the birth chart and how was the period of JU mahadasha for them.

Enjoy and Stay blessed,
Vishal Devedi

[JadeDragon]

Hello Kappy,

Thank you, I appreciate your input! Yes I realize the power of Saturn's hand in creating great difficulty and blockage with respect to the 11th house. I have been very aware of how these planetary energies been working within myself and how they manifest in my life. The most negative and challenging energies have been Saturn vs Venus and Saturn vs Sun, meaning that in my own personality I have had conflict regarding Saturn's values vs Venus's values and Saturn's values vs Sun's values. Even though Saturn and Venus are friends, the conflict arises because Venus is essentially all about sensuality, beauty, wealth, luxury and creativity and Saturn is all about service, hard work, discipline, self-control, simplicity, ascetic type behaviours, self-denial, restriction or sacrifice, etc. So Saturn is throwing its strong, harsh 10th aspect onto the Venus values/energy of the 11th house and from what I have read it harms the full fructification of that house. I personally know that it doesn't completely deny or destroy it but it definitely seems to reduce it and create more conflict within it. Also, with regards to the Saturn vs Sun energy and values. I have had blocks in my creativity, self-doubt, stage-fright, phobias in speaking or performing in public, etc because the energy of Shani blocks the drive of Sun to shine. Saturn is also tamasic and dark and the Sun is sattwic and bright so these energies also have a conflict inside of me. I must mention again that its really interesting to see Shani in strength in the D60 chart, which is supposed to be the root cause for our karma's. And yet, in the manifest physical these restrictions are very real. Also, don't know what to make of the Saturn vargottama situation. Some astrologer says it cancels evil effects while others say it strengthens it. As far as the remedial measures are concerned, I have been pondering over this. Not sure what will be best for me. It seems that it is not ideal for me to wear a Shani stone as Saturn is lord of 8. I was thinking about reciting one or two Shani mantra's every Saturday for a 108 days, perhaps doing a liquid diet on Saturdays, as I cannot do a dry fast because of blood sugar issues. Also thought about helping the homeless, maybe even a shani puja. Any suggestions?

Skye

[JadeDragon]

Dear karthik1984 ,

I have learned about the divisional charts but not in full detail. However I have a very good understanding regarding some of the vargas charts. I am aware of the time sensitivity issue as well. As for the Jupiter Dasa you say started in Janurary. I think something is wrong with that information. I have two very good jyotish software 1.) Shri Jyoti Star and 2) Gorvani Jyotish studio. As you probably know our Vimshotarri Dasa begins at birth with the Moon nakshatra's ruling planet. So I began my Sun dasa at birth because Krittika is my moon nakshatra…. so along those lines I have grown up and experienced the Moon dasa, Mars dasa, Rahu dasa, and according to the both these software and past astrologers I have consulted with I will be entering my Jupiter Dasa in June 21 2014. I am still in Rahu/Mars. Im not sure what software you are using? Either way, it does not 'feel' like Jupiter has begun yet… Thank you once again for your input. It has helped.

Skye

[JadeDragon]

Hello mevishal85,

Thank you kindly for your input, very positive indeed.

Skye

[kappy]

Also, with regards to the Saturn vs Sun energy and values. I have had blocks in my creativity, self-doubt, stage-fright, phobias in speaking or performing in public, etc because the energy of Shani blocks the drive of Sun to shine.

Self doubt is due to Saturn's aspect on your moon and moon already being placed with a malefic (Venus). On plus side Venus maleficity is not that high b/c it is a natural benefic. Chandra lagna have it a bit hard...other Lagna's can rely on Lagna lord and Moon for emotional matters, but for Chandra Lagna is all based on the Moon.

Saturn is also tamasic and dark and the Sun is sattwic and bright so these energies also have a conflict inside of me.

There should be no conflict. You are Chandra Lagna and should strive towards attributes of the Sun/Moon/Mars/Jupiter. Saturn will try his hardest playing mind games with you on this point and creating self doubt, so empower your Mars to combat this influence.

Also, don't know what to make of the Saturn vargottama situation. Some astrologer says it cancels evil effects while others say it strengthens it.

Astrologers who believe this are misguided imo. A krura graha like Shani does not become protective merely due to being vargottamsha. Saturn shares absolute hostile relationship with Sun (its dispositor in natal) hostile with lagna lord and its supporters and is not considered an auspicious planet for Chandra ascendants. Think of it like this, there is a party at your house and Saturn is in the room.. he hates the room, dislikes the food and hates the host, he just does not want to be there...

As far as the remedial measures are concerned, I have been pondering over this. Not sure what will be best for me. It seems that it is not ideal for me to wear a Shani stone as Saturn is lord of 8. I was thinking about reciting one or two Shani mantra's every Saturday for a 108 days, perhaps doing a liquid diet on Saturdays, as I cannot do a dry fast because of blood sugar issues. Also thought about helping the homeless, maybe even a shani puja. Any suggestions?

Suggestions:

1. Remember Saturn doesn't want to be at your party so time to make him happy
2. Read the Greatness of Saturn - excellent book to understand the nature of Lord Shani Dev.
3. https://www.lightonvedicastrology.com/p ... 19&t=25849 - my comments re Chandra Lagna.
4. He loves sacrifice, so sacrifice one thing you love in his name on his day (Saturday). Depending on your results you might want to increase remedial practices to those days which fall under Saturn's Nakshatras [Pushya (8th star), Anuradha (17th star), Uttara Bhadrapada (26th star)] - Note the significance of number 8.
5. Help the helpless and those he holds dear.
6. Empower Mars.

Saturn remedies are very personal in nature - with time you will understand which ones work for you and what needs to be increased, reduced or stopped entirely.

Regards
Kappy

[JadeDragon]

Kappy,

Yes I agree that the self-doubt comes primarily from the Saturn aspect, by far this is the most difficult! I guess I was just implying that the Saturn/Sun conflict also arises with regards to the many significations of the 2nd house - voice, speech, song, language, face, mouth, teeth, beauty, food, etc. And the lessening of confidence with regards to those things and in general. So with regards to my fear of performing or speaking in public (as a singer, musician and song writer) I also attribute this to Shani being in the inimical sign Simha 2nd house.

Also, you mention Venus…. and yes I am well aware of Venus being a temporal malefic = 11th lord, and of course it can't be too good sitting there with enemy Chandra. Though I always thought Venus was strong since its swakshetra and in own house. So there seems to be some a real mixture of beneficence with maleficence. I read your responses regarding Karka lagna in the other post. I am wondering about doing remedial measures for Venus. Lakshmi is my ishta devata and so I imagine doing mantra, puja, etc for Lakshmi would also strengthen/correct Venus..? Btw, your responses were so very right. It is true that one should not approach remedies like a band aid or quick fix for one's problems but instead it can be an opportunity to heal the deeper causation of karma's and to better ones spiritual life.

You said: "Saturn will try his hardest playing mind games with you on this point and creating self doubt, so empower your Mars to combat this influence."

Yes I understand what you are saying. Those benefics should be cultivated, like you said - especially in terms of their (Sun, Moon, Jupiter) sattwic qualities. I was thinking I could empower Mars wearing a red coral pendant?

As for your response to vargottama comment.. I laughed at the imagery of Saturn being like an miserable guest at the party. But yes, makes a lot of sense. Some time ago I read a book called "Yogic Secrets of the Dark Goddess" by Shambhavi L. Chopra. I got a very universal understanding of this deity/planet by reading the chapter on Saturn. The following is an excerpt:

"The dark Goddess, Kali, like Shani, represents the inner guru who is the witness, time spirit and the eye of eternity. Both guide us through our daily actions, compelling and coercing us to learn at an experiential level, moving beyond sorrow and ignorance. Saturn causes healing at a karmic level, relative to our deep samskaras, the subtle impressions of our past actions from many lifetimes."

"…In his role as a great teacher, he restores peace and calm in our outer lives, through his stern lessons. He ploughs us steadily through the web of illusion, bestowing integrity upon us, inculcating all virtues of discipline and self control."

On a last note... You suggested the possible timing of remedial measures according to Shani's nakshatra's. I have Pushya rising and Guru is also in Pushya nakshatra. I read that it is important to know the lord of the nakshatra of the planet whose running the vimshottari dasa. This is because it is said that that lord will have an influence in the overall effect of the period. In my case, Jupiter will begin in June and Pusyha Lord = Shani. So I better get going with Saturn remedial measures soon.. lol but in all seriousness now feels like the right time.

Thank you for the advice on remedial measures and also the book recommendation. All of your suggestions and comments have been very helpful.

Skye

[kappy]

Best way to empower Mars is to work up a sweat at the gym and / or engage in other sporty activities.