Krodha[Anger] Yoga

[anuradha]

If 5L and Rahu are in the sign of 11H of Lagna in Dreshkone chart.
The person is cruel, revengeful, rich, courageous and charitable.

[manya]

What is Dreshkone chart?

[lightlamp]

Hello manya,

It is Drekkana ( D3)

Lightalamp

[Crystalpages]

If 5L and Rahu are in the sign of 11H of Lagna in Dreshkone chart.
The person is cruel, revengeful, rich, courageous and charitable.

I hope you do realize that, revengeful vs. charitable and courageous are antonyms/ opposites!

Some spell it dreshkaan, others drekkan(a), yet others dreshkona, still others simply D3 or V3 (varga #3), it (one and the same thing, as long as we follow the same zodiac-ayanamsh(a)) is about siblings, and yet also about physical health of body parts as claimed. Amaaty(a)-karak and bhratri-kaarak(a) are two pointers that seem to conceptually align with the D3? So, further probing would imply that #3 (house generally connected with younger siblings) is a chart attuned with those in our care? Younger siblings, anujs (agraajs being elder siblings and the 11th [from which the lagna is the 3rd?], D3 and AmK and BK, therefore sound like the ducks that must line up...?

I have seen a few (don't have their charts, unfortunately) who were revengeful as well as charitable! One was a lowly technician in India who had a lot of potential and ambitious and energetic and made it to North America where he got more education and became a rather influential academic in a medical university! Surrounded by friends and sycophants (I wish I had their birthdata...), and with great peoples-skills, he rose high and helped many but nearly destroyed the careers of a few (mostly ladies) who would not return promised and offered favours! Once, he shared with me that when he was a youth, he was going to leave everything and become a monk, but a voice told him not to do so and so he became a scientist and professor instead!

Incredible story, but who am I to challenge his or the stories and sharings of many others...?

Bottom Line: Sometimes these antonyms can coexist and simply make the Fusion-cuisine that astrology brings to our dinner plates, that much enjoyable and delectable?

The more we seek, the more we see and NONE of us has seen it all...!

Regards,

Rohiniranjan

[Addendum: An astrologer whom I ran into on the web-fora, and who follows the KAS system of Krushna Jugalkalani, shared that in their system, they follow the rule of 11th for the finer vargas! Thus, D3 is about self (physique), D4 about wealth, D7 about the fifth, D9 about the seventh, D10 about the eighth, D12 about the tenth! I am just putting that out as information and not something pursued further, although he insisted that it works for the finer shodashavargas too. They do not follow the D5, D8, D11, etc,]

[swamykool]

f2f,

A person can be cruel, vengeful, generous and charitable at the same time. There are millions of ppl who are excellent persons as long as you don't step on their tail. Then its a different story.

[Crystalpages]

Rohiniranjan ji and swamykool ji

your points are well taken...My caution was just against taking yogas verbatim

as a small example, as you know, BPHS has yogas in which it considers mercury opposite of sun for particular yogas, knowing very well that from a physics perspective mercury and sun are never more than 28 degrees apart

The more we see, the less we know! (our wisdom evolves to encompass our own limitations and dissolve our illusions)

RohiniRanjan ji, you do have the gift of gab...nice to see you back

Hi F2f,

Thanks for the welcome. What you depicted as a possible error (or corruption of the original), but it could also be a pointer towards the yogas being applicable in finer vargas...? There have been going on for as long as I can remember, strong opinions for and against the finer vargas being utilizable as charts. You must have seen those debates too, I am sure.

Regards,

Rohiniranjan

[Crystalpages]

Hi Rohiniranjan ji

I think one issue is that in between the translation from the original scriptures to English, lots of noise seeps in due to the lack of exact translation of many phrases/ words

Secondly I think, lots of generic assumptions form a self fulfilling prophecy...like you've correctly pointed out...human mind and character is complex and has many shades intermingling....

Thirdly I think no single yoga or a few of them can define an individual as the other yogas and/ or the lack of them, the strengths and even dashas will modify each other like vectors and weighted sums..

Over the years I have seen hardworking, passionate individuals learning these rules to death and eventually becoming a library of rules, yogas and interpretations with not a single prediction under their belt

on the other hand some astrologers...don't even consider divisionals or even bhaavas...(I know one great one who sees only the rashi and a little bit of navamsha....no ashtakvarga..no shadbalas....no other dashas except vimshottari...no other divisionals except navamsha.....he looks at a horo for 40 to 80 seconds and starts speaking non stop of how the person will look, how they talk, think, what they do, even minute details....

so I guess who am I to agree or disagree to anything...im just a dreaming knowledge thirsty individual roaming around the fields of knowledge

I greatly appreciate members like yourself chiming in their thoughts, especially analytical ones as they help to further research and also help me to think more!

best,
f2f

And *THAT* is where the elegance of internet *jyotish* forums emerges, my friend! We meet here, an eclectic group of enthusiasts who come from such diverse and different backgrounds (mental, educational, religious, social, etc.) who are willing to share what they can. However, it can be rather disturbingly confusing for the beginners and those who due to their circumstances and not so much their lack of interest are forced to spend only so much time to learning jyotish.

You are talking about utilization and overutilization of vargas...? I have seen such problems even with the utilization of bhava-chalita considerations! Some vouch for simply whole signs, others for equal house (similar to Ptolemy's preference), still others for Sripati houses (Porphyrii as used in tropical astrology), and Placidus (KP followers who also use the cusp as bhavarambha instead of bhav-madhya). None of those are infalliable, it seems, if we keep looking, as opposed to believing in the first few robins that show up and often do not hail the arrival of SPRING (as we are experiencing, this year ). Throw in a few single-factor pronouncements into the mix and strangely a new reality emerges! Most of those fail statistical tests (even softer ones!).

Yet, for many, astrology as we know it today, is a scientific discipline and a SHAASTRA which I believe in Sanskrit has been reserved for a scientific and technical pursuit! Please understand that I am not knocking on astrology or astrologers. In contrast with SCIENCE very few resources (humans, research-related, government aids etc) had been available in the past few centuries. Before that, Rajahs and Maharajahs used to endorse and support astrology and astrologers. Such grants and aids may have dried up, BUT the love for astrology seems to LIVE-ON, in many if not all -- young, middle-aged or older...!

The Miracle of HOPE, planted in the spiritual GENOME of Homo sapiens...?

Regards,

Rohiniranjan

[Crystalpages]

Rohiniranjan ji

well said....and don't get me wrong...I am all in for GANIT jyotish first...if a person doesn't know how to make a horo without a software, their knowledge is highly incomplete....if a person can not by their own hand calculate shadbala, their knowledge is incomplete

however I have seen that GANIT jyotish dsnt give the answers ofcourse..and Infact its overdose BLOCKS intuition which is eventually extremely vital in this Art...else ofcourse computers will be the best astrologers and algorithms to predict every single thing would already be patented

I categorize jyotish as a Probabilistic Art as opposed to a Deterministic Science...but its a nothing less than a miracle in terms of its correct applicability...

I feel astrologers who have mastered the Ganit part and the RULE cramming part reach a phase where they struggle to make predictions at all...or, to their horror, many predictions are no where close.....Many quit at this stage, and yet many choose to open shop at this time and suck the vulnerability of their 'clients' right into their wallets (god bless their hearts)

But I feel at this stage whatever system one follows- BPHS core, Jamini, KP etc...if one sticks to it consistently and WHILE keeping in mind the rules and Ganit they have in their Arsenal maintain a consistent approach to hundreds and preferably thousands of case studies....they WILL become good astrologers

I have seen one too many in a hurry...they apply principles to a dozen or so horos....jump to other theories and jump to and fro to finally throw in the towel

This astrologer that I talk about has a queue outside his house which stretches more than a mile or 2...every day...even when it is 45 celcius outside...

I got to know about him when my my mother asked him about me ...(he had never seen me or known anything about me or my family for that matter...I was in the USA at the time he predicted)...his specialization is medical astrology though he does every kind of prediction ofcourse....

the first thing he said that at that present moment I have a problem in my left eye (my mom said no...and he said ask him atleast)...I have a 20/20 and one day for no reason my left eye became 15/20 ...left eye only...and I had to take a trip to the ER which cost me 2 grand while an MBA student back in 2010...I didn't tell mom as the docs couldn't figure it out and it got ok in a day!...it was attributed to the long hours of study and low sleep with the eye muscle temporarily being stressed.... apt point is that's the first thing he said...problem in the left eye just now and will be ok in a few days...likewise he predicted how I look, walk, what all I have studied etc...

this guy is a huge Shani bhakth and gives more importance to that planet than any other...he has written a book called Shani too....I have him on facebook...but he is eccentric...has given a few nuggets...but far in between...he believes ONLY in the full sign system...no bhaavs...no divisionals...no special dashas...just the good old equal sign system with vimshottari and a glance at navamsha at best.....

the thing is if you show him ur (lets say brothers horoscope) and your brother is not even there...he will tell you how he looks, his approx. height and weight, his exact job type, earnings, health issues (minor to major) and everything else to an accuracy which is stunning to say the least....

yes I get the intuition/ Sidhis part...but he says its hard core case studies over last 20-25 yrs that's it

I remember my nephew was born in 2009...we showed him the horo in 2010...when my nephew was less than a yr and a toddler still....he said he is overtly energetic and will walk with head tilted down all his childhood...we noticed that a yr later when he started walking that it was weird that he was looking down most of the time!!

now go figure....its an interesting and fascinating world

Dear F2f,

Thanks for your sharing!

It is indeed interesting and fascinating?

But we all have so many interests and the craft of astrology (you chose to call it ART?) are so varied...?

TIME, though is so LIMITED, and so we see so few owners and moderators participate? On MOST internet fora...?

Regards,

RR

[feerth]

only rahu is in the sign of 11h of lagna.