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Hello,

I want to know if the two charts are similar or exactly same. The first time of birth is mine and the second time of birth is of my twin sister.

December 25, 1979 at 10:46am in Roorkee, Uttrakhand, India
December 25, 1979 at 10:47am in Roorkee, Uttrakham, India

Please provide your opinions.
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Hello Kanika,

Very interesting question.

The birth happened before our eyes. But the process of birth occurred some nine months back which is actually the start of the journey of a soul on this earth. It has come into this planet with a definite past karama( actions). No one can time it, even medically. Adhana lagna is used in astrology to find the time of conception. But it is based on some empherical rules which never have been proved.

This is the reason why the life of twinss differ even though the birthtimes are very close. The birth is that of two bodies with two souls and not one. The souls had different past karmas and for some unknown ( at least to me ) reasons, lived in the same uterus for sometime close to each other.

The charts would be definitely be the same. But , hidden under it are known divisional layers and unknown divisional layers. It would be a herculean task the match the charts with their living style / incidents.

Can you please give some facts, about how they differ ? like looks, education, job, sickness, lifestyle, likes and dislikes, etc. That would be a really a learning process for many.

Thanks for bringing this to this august forum,

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dear kanika,
Verified Medical opinion/thinking/ is such minim. 2 minutes difference is reqd. for twin births
.In ur case only 1 minute.There could be some error ?
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Dear Kanika,
I will also say the same thing as mentioned by SRCS that the time difference should be minimum 2 minutes. I have confirmed it with a friend of mine who is MS Gynecology and she is of the same opinion. I will suggest to get it checked.

Now if the birth time has 2 minute difference, it means that D-60 chart will be different for you and your twin sister. This means that they both will have similarities but a different destiny. Both the charts need detailed list of life time events and a proper birth time rectification is required. Then only D-60 analysis can be done.

Hope this helps.
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Hello Lightalamp, SRCS, Aayush-Astrologer,

Thank you for your valuable feedback. Overall our lives have been very similar. We are fraternal twins and look like sisters and not twins. Overall our personalities are different where she is more social talkative and I am less talkative. Our education from schooling to university has been same, however our jobs are similar in nature but she is in a higher position at work with more responsibilities.

The one major difference in our lives is that I was married and now divorced. The marriage took places on Aug 2, 2009 and the divorce took place Aug 2, 2011. My sister at that time was not married. She got married on Oct 26, 2012 and has been married since then.

Second difference is that I have had some health issues which started in August 2008 however, she has not had any health issues.

Hope this helps.
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Kanika ji,

Were you married to your business partner by any chance?
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Hello lovacrs,

No I was not married to my business partner. I met the guy who lived in a different state and so we had a long distance relationship which turned into marriage.

Regarding my sister she was also with someone long distance however she claims she was mentally married to him but social marriage never happened. She knew him for 8 years long distance during 1999-2006 time frame.

So in essence we both had first marriage broken.

Hope this helps!
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@kanika; Could u confirm/check with ur doctors regarding time interval of min. 2 minutes difference.
There is some error it seems ?
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Hello SRCS,

Unfortunately, this is the time of birth the doctors gave and it would be impossible to get the correct time of birth (if in fact it is wrong). It is quite possible the time of birth could be wrong and there could be a 2 min interval. Like I said, overall our lives have been very much same until we both were in school, university, found jobs etc but then I got married and she didn't. So that's where the change occurred and as I have given the dates of some relevant milestones - marriage, divorce etc which perhaps could help in birth time rectification perhaps.

Let me know your thoughts.
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Kanika ji,

Thanks for the clarification. Based on the date of marriage I saw Me and Su as vimsottari dasa lords. Both are in 10th and Su also happens to be 7th lord. 7th lord and Me also indicate business. Hence the thought.
Interestingl if your sister's birth time is 2 minutes away from yours, then the nodes in her chart will be in 6/12 axis while they are in 1/7 aixs in yours. i.e., her 7th house is relatively less afflicted than yours.
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Hello lovarcs,

1. Are you using tropical calculations ?

2 .even then, the nodes move through 0.1 second of arc in roughly 30 minutes of change of time. To be precise
for a 10.46 hrs Rahu was at 1 deg - 0 minutes - 36.40 seconds
for a 10.48 hrs Rahu was at 1 deg - 0 minutes - 36.47 seconds.

The total movement is only 0.07 seconds of an arc. Hence please recheck your software.

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lightlamp wrote:Hello lovarcs,

1. Are you using tropical calculations ?

2 .even then, the nodes move through 0.1 second of arc in roughly 30 minutes of change of time. To be precise
for a 10.46 hrs Rahu was at 1 deg - 0 minutes - 36.40 seconds
for a 10.48 hrs Rahu was at 1 deg - 0 minutes - 36.47 seconds.

The total movement is only 0.07 seconds of an arc. Hence please recheck your software.

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Lightlamp ji,

I was using lagna as start of 1st Bhava.
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Hello lovarcs,

I tried setting that the software I use, which is jhora. Even then I unable to understand the shifting to 6 / 12 axis. Can you please explain. I really want to look into that since this involves the case of twins

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Lightalamp ji,

I also use JHora. Follow these steps (I tried with Lahiri ayanmasha):

1. Basics --> Houses (Tab at the bottom) - Right click on the data and select "Ascendant (or the chosen reference) is the start of the first house"
2. Right click on Rasi (or any divisional chart) and select "Bhava Chalit". If you right click again on the Bhava Chalit chart you will have further chalit options. You may need this in case the chalit chart is not from ascendant as reference.

In the chalit chart you will see the nodes in 6/12 axis. Essentially Lagna has moved ahead since it is a fast moving reference point. It is not the nodes that move back :D . I used 10.48 as the time since many people opined that minimum two minutes difference will be there between birth times of twins.
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Hello CRS and Lightalamp,

I am wondering if you are suggesting that there is in fact a two minute time difference between our time of births given some of the major events in life.

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Hello lovarcs

I have already attempted the bhava chalit. I thought that the legends 'As' and 'Ke' themselves move apart in the rasi chart itself.

What you are observing is the angular distance between lagna and ketu . This would reflect in dasamsa ( 3 deg ) or navamsa ( 3 deg 20 min ). This factor was expressed in the beginning of my posting given as under

" The charts would be definitely be the same. But , hidden under it are known divisional layers and unknown divisional layers. It would be a herculean task to match the charts with their living style / incidents. "

But now the job of positioning the birth time has become easy, since the time of birth is so poised around the borders with only a difference of 4 minutes.

Kanika will have 'Pisces' navamsa lagna while kanika's sister will have 'Aries' navamsa lagna cleary showing the divorce in kanika as mars is placed 7th to her navamsa lagna.

But the lagnas in dasamsa, shastamsa remain the same for a window of two minutes. So I would place a time difference of 4 minutes which would give different navamsa, shastamsa and dasamsa to reflect marriage, sickness and profession.

I have taken the birth time of kanika as 10:44 and that of kanika's sister to be 10:48 for an ayanamsa that is different from lahiri.

Hello kanika,
Can you give additional details regarding first job, second job, etc for both with joining dates and exiting dates.

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@Kanika ; Pl. note in such a small interval of time all planets are essentially at the same place.Only lagna may move by
28 to 40 minutes.None will change. Vimshoddari dasa can differ just by 4/5 days only& natal chara dasa are verily
same.All nadi posns of planets are same except lagna nadi&moon upa nadi are different.It is confirmed 2 minutes
difference in birth time. Divorced Twin lagna is 8 Deg10min.Name is "samaga"nadi amsa & Moon 126th "vishahkya" nadi&moon upanadi is Meena. Disease also fairly explains.
For the other twin Lagna is 8deg.41min. Name is "sara" &the same moon nadi while
moon upa nadi is Rishab.Only way to cross check is by transit of moon on ur marriage day.Here all standard dasa
models like Vimshoddari/Chara dasa/mandook/sthira dasa/dwispati sama fails except nadi amsa based .
Delayed marriage too answers. Where marriage was held &what is muhurtha hour ?
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Hello SRCS,

My marriage was held on August 2, 2009 in Toronto, Canada. The muhurtha hour was in the afternoon between 2-4pm local time.

As for my sisters marriage, it was held on October 26, 2012 in Toronto, Canada. The muhurtha hour was later in the afternoon, I believe the ceremony took sometime around 3pm onwards local time.

Hope this information helps.

Thank you again.
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@Kanika ; wht abt. ur fathers presence /absence when u were born or thereafter.
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Hello SRCS,

My father was present a during our birth and all throughout life with some exceptions for a year or maybe two years at the age of 17-19 or so when he was away for work obligations.

Is there a pattern or something you can see? Wouldn't the marriage, divorce be sufficient to tell if our lives in fact are similar. Secondly, are our lives after marriage same or does the fact you are married the husbands chart factors in?
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@Kanika : u r essentially time Twins. As I already cited all Natal posns are same with Standard Dasa systems
cannot explain the differences.Nadi alone can account for.Ur lagna nadi,MoonUpanadi compliment to ur sister's.Unless this happens u can't be twins.Ur birth as twins is also answered by this as both L3 conjd.
The main differnce in Natal is seen in lagna/8th/11th hses.ur lagna is governed by Venus/her's by Guru,Ur 8th by budha/her's by Kethu& Ur 11th ruled by sani&her's by Budha.The notes below are wrt LagnaNadi&Upa Nadi only unless cited Natal posns.(1) Ur less social/Reticent;Ur moon in influenced by Sani&lagna by Venus.Lag.nadi
2nd hse.is aspected by Sani Mer.in cancer;Hater of relations?.Lagna nadi lord in 6th,12thto7th hse of social relations(Natal11th by sani) &Sani by jaimini asp.lagna nadi11th hsethoughL7Marsin11;MoonUpanadi 2ndhse.in mutual asp.by sani&Guru;Sani also asp.Mer.Rahu in7th in UpaNadi.Skillful.:nodes in 7th hinder/shy public connections.
This means not communicative needlessly;
(2) Marriage; ur natal 11th were helpful to forge the man u loved.Ur Ex- man 's nakshatra could be Makha/
Or Moola/Aswini/born on sunday.Divorce i think was premature.It shows u could've pulled on .No severity
warranted separation.
(3) Sickness; Ven.of natal Lagna is in 6th in lagna nadi,AshubaGuru(for the lagna Nadi)asp.6th;Also due to Moon.in Sani's rein.In both Sani in 8th. Rahu in 9th .L6Sun from Upanadi jaiminiasp Moon&meena,ketu in it.
ForMoon Upa Nadi,Benefic Guruasp.L6Sunrelief.
(3)Job Nature;.In natal AMKMer is asp.by sani & lagnanadi Sani is forJob &is in 8th asp.by ashubaGuru.Lag nadi Rahu in 9th clouding fortune&EvilLMars in 11th hse of profi/friends.by jaiminiasp.sani.Ur sensitive point of Luck
in 12th Mesha Nadi conjd.L8/12Guru,trine to Sani eases.This explains ur job &earnings.
4)u r drawn/attracted to spirituality is evidenced by Moon Upa nadi In Meena with ketu,itw own hse.
Meena is 12th sign of zodiac.Ketu isolates the native making the native to detach worldy life.
Sani in mutual aspect with Jenmesan ,here,Guru gives the inclination for spiritualism.The same sani
aspects moon in Nadi; Over all Sani 7ashuba Guru rules u at Nadi level.
2ndTwin;(1) social/Talkative;Moon in Ven control .Lagna nadi has Moon/Mer.makes talkative/social;Note
Mercury is Natal 11th ruler.Nadi 2nd hse &its lord asp.by ShubaGuru forthis Nadi.Ven,own sign with strength mutual asp.with GuruLagna who also influences natal Lagna.By 8thasp.Mars,a temporal benefic asp.venus.
Thus venus is strengthned.MoonUpaNadi is Rishaba,fvrblesign for moon &free;
EvilMarsin2;Talkative/sharpduetoMars&frank,Soinvitetrouble;
(2)Diseasefree; ShubaGuru who also Rules Lagna,mutasp Ven in strength;EvilSani in 6thasp.byGuru;
MoonUpaNadi Rishab has Sani in 6th mutasp Guru.InbothSani,in6th. Lord venus in 10th very safe in kumba.
May‘ve diseases later&GuruSaves;
(3) Good/HighPayJob;NatalAK/AMK/Luck Sensitive point all conjd. in lagna nadi;Temporal benefic Mars in 9&
Shuba Guru in 10 caused Good Parivarthana dharma karmathipathi yoga.Nadi 2nd hse &its lord asp.by
ShubaGuru DhanakarakGuruConfersfortune;MoonUpaNadi Yogakarakan Sani 6th/Trine to Ven.
4)Here love marriage denied because Natal L8 Mercury was ruling the tie of friendship.Delayed Marriage
is due to 6/8 Nadi based dasa posns . Her man's nakshtra could be Poorvaashada/Purvaphauguni on saturday
or poorvaprashtopadha Star on friday. Overall she is ruled by Venus &Guru. Down to earth person.
May overcome marital problems ?
lagna Nadi is 40th samaga &42nd sara & not the ones Earlier mentioned. Moon nadi same.
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Hello SRCS,

Thank you for the very comprehensive and detail view point of the two charts. You are very accurate with the information you have provided. Although I am a novice in astrology and still learning and understanding how the placement of the planets can tell so much about us.

Would you be able to see the timing of second marriage for myself - 10:46am time of birth.

When would be the yog and when I would meet a potential partner? I was recently with someone for 2 years however, that relationship came to a stand still. Given that I am 34 I would like to settle down and start the next phase of my life.

Thank you again
Kanika
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@kanika; u 've not confirmed ur man's & ur sis's man's nakshtra/Moon Rasi which was hinted.
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Hi SRCS,

My apologies.

The birth details of my ex-husband are -

June 5, 1977 at 1:14pm in Lakewood, California, USA.

After the divorce in August 2011, I met someone in October 2011 and the relationship started as being good friends as we were living in different cities and eventually turned into a long distance relationship. He eventually moved here in late July 2013. So overall our relationship was for 2 years and he's pulled away and is being distant. I am not sure if this matters or not but his birth details are -

May 8, 1978 at 12:38pm in Montreal, Quebec, Canada.

As for my sister's husband's info I will have to give it to as I don't know his time of birth and will ask him mom for the same.

Hope this is helpful in the meantime.

Thanks!
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@kanika; just confirm if jenma nakshtra/Rasi of ur ex & ur sis's man is as given ?
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