MAHAPURUSHA YOGA

[elipsis]

In my experience when Saturn is in 7th - the native will get reliable partners in business and it will be long lasting partnerships, so on the whole its a very good combination for business. The 7th house is extremely important because its not only seen for marital relations but business and professional relations as well. In classics, one of the attributes of 7th is quoted "Money from different places". So if you want to win a lotto or earn money or start your own firm, the 7th house plays a vital role.

Dear elipsis ji,

I would like to know your views on Mars in 7th house. Specially for virgo lagna mars being the most malefic planet, placed in 7th house without any aspect or conjuntion of other planets. Here mars(AK) is strong, unafflicted and well placed in navamsa and other varga charts. Also mars is the nakshatra lord of moon and lagna. So overall mars is very active in my horoscope. please share your views on positive and negative effects of mars in 7th house.

Regards.
Abhishek.

Mars is 3L for Virgo, so its the part of kama trikona (3,7,11). If you have mars in 7th, you can be sure your desires will be fulfilled, primarily you can earn through machinery. I know one guy with a similar configuration (i hope he doesn't read this )who owns a chain of electronics/appliances outlets throughout India, before that he used to work in an A/C repair shop (mars in watery sign) but during his Mars dasa he didn't sit quiet at all, he started looking for like minded people to build partnerships.

Anyhow, its good for business but again this is just an example, there are many factors in a chart that adds to it.

Regards

[elipsis]

In my experience when Saturn is in 7th - the native will get reliable partners in business and it will be long lasting partnerships, so on the whole its a very good combination for business. The 7th house is extremely important because its not only seen for marital relations but business and professional relations as well. In classics, one of the attributes of 7th is quoted "Money from different places". So if you want to win a lotto or earn money or start your own firm, the 7th house plays a vital role.

thank you sir. would you classify my sasa yoga is weak/middling/or strong? I know Shani plays a vital role in my chart because it provides NBRY to lagna lord and 9th lord. i'm currently in Shani dasha for the next 19 years so i'm hoping to benefit from it financially.

thank you again!

I can't tell you how strong it is, because saturn is at the very edge of Libra. But Saturn dasa will bring challenges even when its favorably disposed so I suggest you be mentally prepared for it.

[YogiYugesh]

Dear elipsis ji,
thank you again for answer.
much love

[abhishek]

Mars is 3L for Virgo, so its the part of kama trikona (3,7,11). If you have mars in 7th, you can be sure your desires will be fulfilled, primarily you can earn through machinery. I know one guy with a similar configuration (i hope he doesn't read this )who owns a chain of electronics/appliances outlets throughout India, before that he used to work in an A/C repair shop (mars in watery sign) but during his Mars dasa he didn't sit quiet at all, he started looking for like minded people to build partnerships.

Anyhow, its good for business but again this is just an example, there are many factors in a chart that adds to it.

Thanks for replying. yes, i feel few of my desires has been fulfilled so far. one of them is working and living in foreign lands I was into hardware engineering few years back( started in rahu-mars). In jupiter MD i lost interest in engineering and started learning 3d animation. Right now working as a Digital Sculptor in entertainment and media industry.

I am earning decent money in job and trying to save as much as i can, so i can start my own business in coming years. Mainly i am interested in business related to food or drinks. 2nd and 9th lord shukra is placed in 10th aspected by mars and saturn. I would be thankful to you, if you could suggest a suitable business according to my chart.

18 August 1988, 10:10 am,
Longitude- 75:50E, Latitude- 26:53N, Male
jaipur, Rajasthan.
Lagna: virgo

[elipsis]

You could do very well in food and drinks business.

[abhishek]

Thank you sir

[aanand]

Hello all.
this is my chart. DOB:4th Feb, 1960, TOB:22:14:20, POB:Nangal Da(District Ropar, State Punjab, India). What kind of MP yoga dasha is this? faced very hard time in Rahu mahadasha disease,death, financial loss in family, now in jup dasha family life upset. Is Prashara Verdict becoming true when he says that 5th dasha of Rahu and 6th of Jup gives turmoil, howsoever Jupitor beneficial may be? Please throw light.

[sayan.dg]

Learned members ,
Kindly analyze my Hamsa yoga

Ju is in Saggitarius in 10th house with 5 lord Moon. it has 3rd aspect of Sat. Ju is in nakshatra of Ve(Pashada 2nd pada)

Details
18 May 1984,
2 19 30 AM
Kolkata
Dhanu rasi Meena lagna

[sayan.dg]

elipsis ji can you kindly give your opinion in my case please

[elipsis]

Your hamsa yoga is very weak, Jupiter being retrograde cancels majority of the benefic effects.

[sayan.dg]

but retrograde Ju is supposed to be more powerful, in own house and powerful kendra, fortified by moon

[elipsis]

Not really. Retro Jupiter affects your 9th house there by cancelling the MP yoga. Same thing applies to any yoga formed saturn and mars.

Also there is a mutual exchange between Venus and Mars, this would have created a powerful yoga because saturn and venus in conjunction along with Jupiter in the 2nd house is considered very good but since Saturn is retro - that also diminishes its effects.

[sayan.dg]

here the retrogression of ju and sat begin and end in the same house;they do not retrograde back into the previous houses. Mars starts retrograding from scorpio and comes to libra, it also does not go into virgo in its retrogression


yes there is a parivartan between ma ve both in rasi and navamsa
this parivartan is not good as it is involving 8th house/lord...ma and me would have come to 2nd house and ve and sat in 8 house... In d9 it is in 1 7 axis.. here the axis is good but again 6 and 12 lords come in picture... though mars me is a rajyoga i consider it weak in comparison to moon ju rajyog.Though i was young in Ve-ma dasa it was an enjoyable and memorable time for me.

I understand your school of thought but i follow an entirely different system of evaluating retrogrades and hence the confusion.

For hamsa mahapurush yoga cancellation i use the following system from devakeralam

Mo + Ma conjunction or Ma aspects moon

Thank you

[elipsis]

My views are entirely based on practical experiences, I don't generally side with concepts or theories put forward by popular schools of astrology as it limits my thinking. When dealing with such an obscure and complicated subject its better to keep an open mind than to swear an allegiance with some school of thought. BVR once said Astrology requires a holistic approach- I sort of agree with him there.

Anyhow, I wish you all the best for your future.

Regards

[sayan.dg]

yes am open minded too but my ju has never given 9th house results.. whatever system i follow is self tested and practically applicable.I dont swear or belong to any school but use what works best of whatever school. But i have found age old formulas work much better than modern research.

Retrogression may also give previous house effects and not only previous house effect and that also depends on what type of retrogression it is.

Regards

[sumap]

Dear Elipsis,

DOB---02-06-2003 (Male)
Time----21:05Pm
Place----Kerala(76E34;10N31)

As per above chart his Mars & Jupiter are exalted and aspecting each other,is there any nullification of good effects.

Four planets are exalted(Jupiter,Mars,Rahu & Ketu) in his chart any rajayoga available in his chart? Moon Saturn conjunction any bad effect on mental abilities.

With Best Regards,
Suman P

[Crystalpages]

Mahapurusha yogas are not rare in theory- but they do gurantee some level of success to whoever has them, the strength of these yogas have to be carefully guaged at several levels- now each astrologer has his own way of looking at these yogas taking current generation and lifestyle into account. The basic rule is like this:

1. At least one of these planets -Jupiter, Mercury, Mars, Venus or Saturn must occupy it's own sign or exaltation
2. It must be in a quadrant (1,4,7,10)

Now I don't fully agree with this rule because planets tend to lose some of their power in the quadrants, in other words these don't form MP yoga for the current age, you have to look at it a bit more deeply.

Dear Ellipsis ji,

I have come across similar statements from other astrologers as well and this has always intrigued me. If you are comfortable in sharing more about this, and not necessarily in the context of MPY or other Yogas, but in general about this and similar factors and their reduced applicability in current times (Kaliyuga?) perhaps in a separate thread so as not to distract this thread, I shall be very grateful. Parashara ji singled out ashtakavarga as the best tool for Kaliyugas but from the relatively small sample of astrologers I have seen, not many use AV routinely! Despite all kinds of software which takes out or significantly reduces the tedium of calculating by hand or even spreadsheets, etc. I am also intrigued by the fact that Maharshi Parashara pointedly referred to kaliyuga, but I do not recall any other mention of Kaliyuga when discussing or rather instructing his disciple about the rules and boundaries of jyotish. I realize that BPHS while crucially important is not comprehensive insofar as rules go. Hence, curious to follow and understand this a bit more, if you have the time and interest to elaborate that for our collective benefit.

Thanks and regards,

Rohiniranjan

[elipsis]

Dear Rohiniranjan,

First of all, sorry for answering late.

My approach towards astrology is highly practical and results based and if something doesn't agree with the textbooks I don't even bother applying it further in my practical research and I do this without belittling any of the contributions made by the ancient sages.

Long back, I asked a list of angry questions to my teacher - as to why these yogas do not work even though they tend to agree with every possible rule in the classics, the answer I got really changed my perspective on astrology as a whole. Suppose you have exalted Jupiter in quadrant and in the right degree with the right amount of points does that guarantee you the effects of Mahapurusha yoga? The answer is no. That's because, planets do not have an independent hierarchy - which means a planet cannot bring forth any 'noticeable' event in our lives on its own. A planet must associate itself with other planets through some means in order to make the yoga visible to the world. This means mahapurusha yogas rarely ever become visible even if they meet the required criteria, they only instil personality traits which becomes the mantra of life, not just these yogas but quadrant houses have this unique quality to instil permanent personality traits irrespective of the planet that resides. Lets forget these yogas, we'll take a more day to day approach...let's say 2nd lord exalted in the 11th with the right amount of points, does that guarantee you income? Again the answer will be negative. the 2nd lord must associate itself with other house lords to bring noticeable "wealth" events in life but on its own it doesn't even bring one penny. When this is the case - planetary friendships and enmity do not work like people think they do, a planet does not defeat its enemy the moment it see it. A planet forms temporary alliances with other planets in order to generate practical scenarios through which it can give fruits, this rule is based on south indian nadi texts. For example: saturn and mars can give rise to "yantra karma" yoga, and mars-mercury gives "yantra vidhya yoga" - here even though these planetary groups are inimical they reluctantly have to work for one another in order to survive. Whenever these alliances reach a satisfactory end the planets may become enemies again. Anyway, this is a long subject - the point is the quadrant houses are less practical than trines and trish houses, the quadrants instil personality where as trikona instils fortune and the trish houses give a base through which many yogas tend to operate in the real world.

Regards

[prakhs123]

Hello Sirs,
I am very novice to Astrology, still I am giving my input.
I was calculating the probability of various yogas. For example sasa yoga with Saturn Yogakarak (libra ascendent). I was very surprised with the results. For example Saturn is in Libra now. So all people born with Libra Ascendent in this 2.5 year will have this yoga. Overall 1 in 24 people will have this combination. But, then what does this mean? Every 1 in 24 people will get fame, name, leadership? (or in a group of 24 people )
Similarly other yogas also will have probability more or less like this.
I wonder how astrologers are able to predict things and events. Obviously my argument implies that no single planet can give visible results without the help of other planets/ factors.
Thanks for reading.

PS : elipsis ji, I'm your fan
PPS : Today is my birthday (according to hindi calendar)

EDIT: The argument is wrong!

[Crystalpages]

Dear Prakhs123 (I am dropping the 'jee' since I am much older than you, if nothing but by age!),

Firstly, happy birthday and all the best wishes for your success in all endeavours!

If I recall correctly, MPY are not only caused or considered when planets are exalted in the ascendant but also in other kendras (x4) and when in own and MT signs (more the merrier!), so even for Shani Maharaj, your incidence and prevalence rates will be much higher (multiples) than the count you are getting through computation. With an infant arriving somewhere in the world at approximately 1 per second (and that might be an underestimate since the WHO/UN "radar" cannot possibly catch and account for every single birth due to a possible variety of reasons) -- the world is full of Mahapurushas (and their female counterparts). Perhaps the DKP consideration gives some hints, and absolute fame and relative fame need to be considered? In addition to other astrological factors that exist as qualifiers and conditional consideration??

Regards,

Rohiniranjan

Hello Sirs,
I am very novice to Astrology, still I am giving my input.
I was calculating the probability of various yogas. For example sasa yoga with Saturn Yogakarak (libra ascendent). I was very surprised with the results. For example Saturn is in Libra now. So all people born with Libra Ascendent in this 2.5 year will have this yoga. Overall 1 in 24 people will have this combination. But, then what does this mean? Every 1 in 24 people will get fame, name, leadership? (or in a group of 24 people )
Similarly other yogas also will have probability more or less like this.
I wonder how astrologers are able to predict things and events. Obviously my argument implies that no single planet can give visible results without the help of other planets/ factors.
Thanks for reading.

PS : elipsis ji, I'm your fan
PPS : Today is my birthday (according to hindi calendar)

[elipsis]

Dear prakhs123,

Thank you for your comments and happy birthday.

I don't think transits can create yogas at birth like you have described, its a bit more complicated - transits are used differently like for instance by superimposing the transit chart over the natal chart to narrow down the probability of a certain event. I've explained this in a different thread.

Regards

PS: dear Rohiniranjan, I don't like using Ji suffix and I am much younger than you, but that doesn't mean I'm disrespectful or anything like that so you can stop using it for me too

Best

[Crystalpages]

Dear Elipis,
I do not consider the suffix (ketu?) as a mark of respect, necessarily but more like a 'formality', so by all means
Best wishes,
Rohiniranjan

{addendum: Prakhs123 does make a good point, Elipsis
I didn't see in his (or her?) sharing a posting about *transits*, but when the fact he pointed out gets viewed with the birth-rate, what might seem as transits to those of us already born, is also a reality for others that are being born in those very TRANSITS?}...!